Hi sabe ! 🌹😊 Amazing! I was intrigued, Sabe, and I tried to understand why the non-rhoticity in England and the rhoticity in America. I first thought that it could have come from the rhotic Irish and Scottish immigration to the States but in fact I realised that the non--rhoticity in England, and even if there are old traces of it (as early as mid 15th century), set and took hold gradually and progressively only to become dominant, and mainly in the south, in the late 18th and early 19th. In the late 19th there was still evidence of accents being overwhelmingly rhotic in urban areas that are now firmly non-rhotic, such as Birmingham. Even in the 1950s and 1960 there were still rhoticity in most parts of England (Yorkshire, Lincolshire, Kent ...) where it has now disappeared. It is apparently still present in older residents of towns close to the border with rhotic Scotland. For America, it is interesting that there were regions that were influenced by the English non-rhoticity of the 'British prestige standard'. This was as we can guess, the north eastern regions (the great New-york area) and the south eastern ones) i.e the port cities with close connection (economic, of course, but also political, societal and cultural) to Britain which caused upper-class pronunciation to become non-rhotic. It was influential until the American civil war of the 1860s after which there was a shift of wealth and political power to areas with fewer cultural connections to the old colonial and British elites. Still, the non-rhotic prestige persisted in the Eastern united States and among the upper class even into the early 20th century, by which time many speakers of the East and South were non-rhotic or variably rhotic, often even regardless of their class background. I learnt that the decisive shit towards general American rhoticity occured and followed WW2 when rapidly after the 1940s, the standard broadcasting pronunciation heard in national radio and television and cinema became firmly rhotic, aligned more with the general American English of Midwestern, Western, and non-coastal Americans. And then In fact all happened as if the prestige of non-rhoticity was somewhat reversed, with non-rhoticity in the 20th century up until today being increasingly associated with lower-class rather than higher-class speakers, as in New York City. Non-rhoticity has been declining since then. For those interested and who want to dig further into the question , this is very interesting to read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English Merci Sabrah, bisous 😘🌹❤
I can't answer for Leila of course but à priori and if I imagine myself in her shoes, I would say yes; you know, I think we all remain attached to our roots in some way, to our culture, to our family and friends, to the environment we grew up in and the green English countryside doesn' lack charm. In fact I don't know if that was her choice really. Perhaps it was constrained due to her husband activity, perhaps it was a choice of them corresponding to a desire of environment change and no doubt she found compensations in this regard. I think of many considerations like the greater level of security probably, the meeting with other people, another culture, the sea maybe, and above all, the climate less rainy and way sunnier out there ... Anyhow, hope Leila will be back soon and tell us (if she likes of course) a little bit more about her whereabouts ... ;-) I think she was back in England for a visit last summer and she and Sabrah announced a relaunch of the channel for as soon as this month. We'll see ... 🤞
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Hi sabe ! 🌹😊
Amazing! I was intrigued, Sabe, and I tried to understand why the non-rhoticity in England and the rhoticity in America. I first thought that it could have come from the rhotic Irish and Scottish immigration to the States but in fact I realised that the non--rhoticity in England, and even if there are old traces of it (as early as mid 15th century), set and took hold gradually and progressively only to become dominant, and mainly in the south, in the late 18th and early 19th. In the late 19th there was still evidence of accents being overwhelmingly rhotic in urban areas that are now firmly non-rhotic, such as Birmingham. Even in the 1950s and 1960 there were still rhoticity in most parts of England (Yorkshire, Lincolshire, Kent ...) where it has now disappeared. It is apparently still present in older residents of towns close to the border with rhotic Scotland.
For America, it is interesting that there were regions that were influenced by the English non-rhoticity of the 'British prestige standard'. This was as we can guess, the north eastern regions (the great New-york area) and the south eastern ones) i.e the port cities with close connection (economic, of course, but also political, societal and cultural) to Britain which caused upper-class pronunciation to become non-rhotic. It was influential until the American civil war of the 1860s after which there was a shift of wealth and political power to areas with fewer cultural connections to the old colonial and British elites. Still, the non-rhotic prestige persisted in the Eastern united States and among the upper class even into the early 20th century, by which time many speakers of the East and South were non-rhotic or variably rhotic, often even regardless of their class background.
I learnt that the decisive shit towards general American rhoticity occured and followed WW2 when rapidly after the 1940s, the standard broadcasting pronunciation heard in national radio and television and cinema became firmly rhotic, aligned more with the general American English of Midwestern, Western, and non-coastal Americans. And then In fact all happened as if the prestige of non-rhoticity was somewhat reversed, with non-rhoticity in the 20th century up until today being increasingly associated with lower-class rather than higher-class speakers, as in New York City. Non-rhoticity has been declining since then.
For those interested and who want to dig further into the question , this is very interesting to read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English
Merci Sabrah, bisous 😘🌹❤
Thank you 😊
My American family is from Southern Ireland and we always say if you want to sound Irish over pronounce the “Rs” and add an r to the ts. Three=tree
Thank you. For this help ..same to me great and cool
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Where is leila?
Do you know?
Still in Portugal?
I wonder if she misses the good old Blighty 🤔
I can't answer for Leila of course but à priori and if I imagine myself in her shoes, I would say yes; you know, I think we all remain attached to our roots in some way, to our culture, to our family and friends, to the environment we grew up in and the green English countryside doesn' lack charm. In fact I don't know if that was her choice really. Perhaps it was constrained due to her husband activity, perhaps it was a choice of them corresponding to a desire of environment change and no doubt she found compensations in this regard. I think of many considerations like the greater level of security probably, the meeting with other people, another culture, the sea maybe, and above all, the climate less rainy and way sunnier out there ...
Anyhow, hope Leila will be back soon and tell us (if she likes of course) a little bit more about her whereabouts ... ;-)
I think she was back in England for a visit last summer and she and Sabrah announced a relaunch of the channel for as soon as this month. We'll see ... 🤞
Scrooge Mcduck would be proud!