More great innovation from Wago. Everyone needs to start installing 35mm deep back-boxes ready for the screw-less switch and socket. I feel sure they won't be far away. Thanks guys. #StaySafe
I've used the 770 series for inline connections of the flexes behind built-in ovens/hobs. Makes putting them in / taking them out easier, although obviously its more work up front
These style of connectors have been used for at least 20 years in the rail rolling stock industry; specifically Siemens built trains found throughout the UK. Pretty much every internal plug on every system is a Wago configurable plug/socket setup (a few thousand per train!). Most are similar to the mini seen here with anything from a single to pin up to 20-pin used, and whilst we use them pre-configured and indexed, they are modular so can easily be modified if needs be.
Just saw these IRL a few weeks ago, didn't realise they were vaaahhh go ones. There's testing points on each connector as well if you've got those skinny probes from kewtech that'll reach them 🙂
Coming a long way since the days of making lots of plug in ceiling rose flexs off as an apprentice. I guess its possible to have multiple pre wired light fittings with those connectors that connect to a central distribution hub in the room that would save wiring individual light fittings with T+E or flex cable
Hi Gary, I know this is random but I use a tool all day long that I ve never seen you ever review one . Milwaukee reaming pen 48224255 . But there are other makes on the market. I use this to de burr holes in metal and a plastic enclosure after holes sawing. Thanks Ian
Nice and informative as always. I however suspect that these connectors will not be used at homes. They look expensive, and beyond many people's comfort line.
All looks a bit over kill for houses. But for maintenance am thinking cost saving will be a plus not so quick at first but to add on in plug plug in a extension do all the push fits have contact resistance.
@4minutes into the video do you know the width of that plug and socket (I’ve only got 35mm cutout in the ceiling to get it through) this looks to be the style I’m after though👍
I'm not convinced they're the right fix for everything, but they'd be a good solution for appliances and fittings that need to be dropped out for insulation resistance testing (e.g. integral LED downlighters) - no danger of accidentally exposing live parts when you put 500V down the cable.
They are great for commercial installations where you often have a house technician who will have to do maintenance like replacing lamps. Much better to have them just plug in and out connectors than working with (live) bare copper (and we all know they will...).
@@mikewilkinson7802 HI Mike, As they use Cage clamp springs rather than screws they are all maintenace free. Should you wish to use them in a maintenance free application where you will not be able to get access at a later date then the connectors and cables need to be secured to a wall / joist. Normally however they would not be used in such an application as the functionality of plug and socket is lost if you cannot gain access so you might as well use a WAGO 221 series in a WAGOBOX which is cheaper. Hope this helps.
You can also use them to power outlets, which fit in a trunking system. And here's Wagos proposition for a power distribution system based on the Winsta in a business, for example an office: www.wago.com/de/verbindungstechnik/steckverbinder-entdecken/winsta/elektroversorgung-arbeitsplaetze This one here for example, comes with a B16, 30mA type A RCBO included. Without the RCBO you can get this with 2, 3 or 4 outlets. www.obo.de/produkte/gebaeudeinstallation/steckbare-anschlusstechnik-wieland-gst18-wago-winsta/connect-wago-winsta/anschlussfertige-universaltraeger-mit-winsta-midi/utc4-fi-w-mit-2-schutzkontakt-steckdosen-und-fi-ls.html
Some great kit there . But I can’t help thinking that all this new kit is making it easier for the cowboys and the DIYers The same as the modern MFTs I have just brought a new kewtech Mft and it is so so simple to use that any smcuck can go out and do an eicr . At least with my Robin KTS 1620 I have to get the book out put my brain in gear and put pen to paper. Great video as always from team eFix thank you 👍
Cowboys wouldn’t bother with this stuff. They’d just tape everything up. DIYers (like myself) would be more willing to give small electric jobs a go with these types of connectors.
@@haroon420 don’t get me wrong I’m not having a pop at DIYers as some are just as good as a qualified spark, but there are still some who should not be aloud any were near electrics , in fact i’am not having a pop at anyone in particular, just giving my own opinion as I believe in an old saying if it isn’t broken then don’t fix it or if you haven’t lost it then don’t replace it .
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I’m doing all the first fix on my home renovation. I’m using quickwire connectors and wago connectors wherever I can. Today the electrician came to take a look and said the work was spot on. In fact he said ive gone overboard and he would not have used all these fancy gizmos but that’s because customers won’t pay for them. The plan is that he will change the consumer unit, do the tests and fix any things which I might have missed. The idea is that I know how the house is wired and I’ve also saved a lot of money by doing much of the donkey work myself. I know what my limits are and I’m working exclusively on non-energised circuits. I’m not touching anything at the consumer unit side. I wouldn’t have been able to do it without RUclips channels such as this one.
@@haroon420 well done 👍 Sounds like you have done a good job but then there are another twenty people out there who have not got a clue but are happy to plod on. So well done I hope it all go’s well and maybe you should think about doing it as a career . As for me I am old school and I don’t like change for the sake of change . At the end of the day it all comes down to personal choice.
I like the idea of this but most of our fixed wiring systems are done in T&E cables not flex for domestic so are the connectors compatible with the standard cable we use, much of the time I've worked on the continent it's always been flexible type cables rather than flat cables so perhaps this is more aimed at commercial grid lighting installations in the UK?
In Germany the most used cable types are NYM and NYY. Fixed installation must be solid conductors, stranded is only permitted from 16mm² upwards. Fine stranded only inside of enclosures. This system was designed to use it in trunking systems with a rail to carry accessories like outlets and such stuff.
What worries me about systems like this is they blur the line between plug and socket equipment that is supposed to be used by ordinary persons and electrical installations that are supposed to be designed, installed and altered by competent electricians. Firstly there is the problem of overcurrent protection. You show midi connectors being used for a lighting application, but you also show a box with a maxi input and midi outputs that would presumablly be used on a power circuit. So what stops someone just unplugging the light from the lighting circuit and plugging it into the power circuit?! Secondly there is the problem that these connectors are not designed to be connected and disconnected under load, but will the users understand and respect that? Also wago need to fix their website, some of the "view products" links on www.wago.com/gb/electrical-interconnections/discover-pluggable-connectors/winsta go to empty pages and the catalogue link at the bottom of the page is in german. I did find an english version of the catalog on a third party site ( www.dimoulas.com.gr/PDF%20EIDIKES%20AGORES/LIGHTNING/pdf%20wago%20LUMINAIRES/wago_Winsta_catalog_2017_2018_full.pdf ) , so it's not like an english version doesn't exist.
Different sizes for different currents. Also these plugs are usually hidden inside of trunking systems. They're used to connect accessories like outlets and such stuff to the supply. The ordinary user will never see them. For example this guy here is designed to install it into a trunking system, it contains two outlets which are protected with the integrated B16A 30mA type A RCBO: www.obo.de/produkte/gebaeudeinstallation/steckbare-anschlusstechnik-wieland-gst18-wago-winsta/connect-wago-winsta/anschlussfertige-universaltraeger-mit-winsta-midi/utc4-fi-w-mit-2-schutzkontakt-steckdosen-und-fi-ls.html Without the RCBO also available with 2, 3 or 4 outlets. We use a comparable plug system since the 1970s here in Germany, other manufacturer but comparable style. The Wago is a modernised system. And as you can see, the plug is behind the outlet. That means, customer must remove cover of trunking, remove the outlet from the rail it sits on to unplug it...
@@CoulterTravel Nope, different sizes are for the current (Mini, Midi, Maxi). Mini is 16A, Midi is 25A and Maxi 35A. The colours are for the applications, the blue ones also can handle additional light dimming systems like DALI. Green ones for KNX building automation, black ones are power only and so on.
3.90€ for a black midi plug (L, N, CPC). A module with 2 Schuko outlets for rail mounting and Winsta connection: 29.50€. Midi distribution box with DALI: 59.90€. The versions that you can solder to printed circuit boards are in the range of 2€. Todays exchange rate: 1€ = 0.87 GBP. The thing is, they have competition there. That's a typical connector we use here in Germany for decades for this purpose. The so called "Wieland" plug, named after the company which introduced such a plug system in the 1970s. So they can't have a really high price tag on them...
The apex of time saving connections was already reached long time ago when the wagos appeared along with the already existent push in connectors in the light switches, sockets, fittings etc.. any faster than this is either wireless electricity or bodged work.. this being said, let’s not keep pushing with the claims of time saving, I don’t care about time, I care about reliability (it’s wago so it can only be reliable). “Loop in loop out” is the most incorrect thing to call to a “feed in feed out” on a RADIAL circuit. I’ll get 10 lights working quicker by running the cables “in/out” to all of them than you’ll take making the “to size” lengths for each fitting to reach that posh junction box.
Only you Guys can take such an extensive range like this and showcase it all in a 15 Minute video. Sometimes a 10 Minute video. Brilliant
More great innovation from Wago. Everyone needs to start installing 35mm deep back-boxes ready for the screw-less switch and socket. I feel sure they won't be far away. Thanks guys. #StaySafe
I've used the 770 series for inline connections of the flexes behind built-in ovens/hobs. Makes putting them in / taking them out easier, although obviously its more work up front
These style of connectors have been used for at least 20 years in the rail rolling stock industry; specifically Siemens built trains found throughout the UK. Pretty much every internal plug on every system is a Wago configurable plug/socket setup (a few thousand per train!). Most are similar to the mini seen here with anything from a single to pin up to 20-pin used, and whilst we use them pre-configured and indexed, they are modular so can easily be modified if needs be.
Great insight thanks 🙏
10 years from now ill turn up to a commercial job and be like oh crap dont have the mystery tool for this plug!!!
Endless possibilities! Nicely done! Well done!
As WAGO really makes great products, making whole installation with these would allow you to modify it in an hour basically
Great comment 👍
These might be good in mobile home or even canal boat fit outs.
I love these kinds of things and im not an electrician, great video yet again from efixx
Thanks
Be good maybe for connecting hobs, combi microwaves, single ovens maybe. But yes more of a commercial application probably. Any other ideas?
Just saw these IRL a few weeks ago, didn't realise they were vaaahhh go ones. There's testing points on each connector as well if you've got those skinny probes from kewtech that'll reach them 🙂
Midi connectors also found in Hymer touring caravans. I'm not in the trade but have just bought some connectors to add some extra sockets.
Plug and play you could make a few off while waiting for you makita coffee maker 😁
Great video peeps 👍🏼
Great video gents, I could see them being used in commercial applications but not much in domestic.
Coming a long way since the days of making lots of plug in ceiling rose flexs off as an apprentice.
I guess its possible to have multiple pre wired light fittings with those connectors that connect to a central distribution hub in the room that would save wiring individual light fittings with T+E or flex cable
Yes that is possible
Hi Gary, I know this is random but I use a tool all day long that I ve never seen you ever review one . Milwaukee reaming pen 48224255 . But there are other makes on the market. I use this to de burr holes in metal and a plastic enclosure after holes sawing. Thanks Ian
This is very good video. I notice in these connectors you used only flex cable. Can these connectors be use for twin and earth?
Thanks
Yes they can. Top tip if doing this reverse the cable clamp to improve cable retention.
Also great for KNX connectors, much easier to debug issues if unplugging is easy
Nice and informative as always. I however suspect that these connectors will not be used at homes. They look expensive, and beyond many people's comfort line.
All looks a bit over kill for houses. But for maintenance am thinking cost saving will be a plus not so quick at first but to add on in plug plug in a extension do all the push fits have contact resistance.
Another top video chaps.
@4minutes into the video do you know the width of that plug and socket (I’ve only got 35mm cutout in the ceiling to get it through) this looks to be the style I’m after though👍
Can you guys please to a video on the use of sy cable
I have been useing the “Wieland” connectors for years and years and years, it is the kind of system, but another brand.
Yep, me too here in Belgium.
I'm not convinced they're the right fix for everything, but they'd be a good solution for appliances and fittings that need to be dropped out for insulation resistance testing (e.g. integral LED downlighters) - no danger of accidentally exposing live parts when you put 500V down the cable.
They are great for commercial installations where you often have a house technician who will have to do maintenance like replacing lamps. Much better to have them just plug in and out connectors than working with (live) bare copper (and we all know they will...).
Great range - although it makes it easier but surely the price at the moment doesn't justify using the system
I saw midi in the thumb and was like woah. When did wago get cool?
So how long are the flexes on the on the prewired ones? Or do the just come in different lengths?
We supply standar lengths from 1 to 10M but can do others if required.
Can you do a video how to test these?
Connectors can be tested in the mated condition via the test slots on the top face.
@@wagodraper4201 thank you love wagos
what is the cost of these lego pieces? are they the Way2go or not
Are any of these plugs maintenance free!! If so can they be buried under floor boards or cavities?
Yes they are Maintenance Free
@@wagodraper4201 can you please elaborate as to which ones and how they are deemed maintenance free. Please
@@mikewilkinson7802 HI Mike, As they use Cage clamp springs rather than screws they are all maintenace free. Should you wish to use them in a maintenance free application where you will not be able to get access at a later date then the connectors and cables need to be secured to a wall / joist. Normally however they would not be used in such an application as the functionality of plug and socket is lost if you cannot gain access so you might as well use a WAGO 221 series in a WAGOBOX which is cheaper. Hope this helps.
@@wagodraper4201 Thanks for the in-depth response, I see what you mean for the cost as they are not the cheapest. Very helpful👍
You can also use them to power outlets, which fit in a trunking system.
And here's Wagos proposition for a power distribution system based on the Winsta in a business, for example an office:
www.wago.com/de/verbindungstechnik/steckverbinder-entdecken/winsta/elektroversorgung-arbeitsplaetze
This one here for example, comes with a B16, 30mA type A RCBO included. Without the RCBO you can get this with 2, 3 or 4 outlets.
www.obo.de/produkte/gebaeudeinstallation/steckbare-anschlusstechnik-wieland-gst18-wago-winsta/connect-wago-winsta/anschlussfertige-universaltraeger-mit-winsta-midi/utc4-fi-w-mit-2-schutzkontakt-steckdosen-und-fi-ls.html
Some great kit there .
But I can’t help thinking that all this new kit is making it easier for the cowboys and the DIYers
The same as the modern MFTs I have just brought a new kewtech Mft and it is so so simple to use that any smcuck can go out and do an eicr .
At least with my Robin KTS 1620 I have to get the book out put my brain in gear and put pen to paper.
Great video as always from team eFix thank you 👍
Cowboys wouldn’t bother with this stuff. They’d just tape everything up.
DIYers (like myself) would be more willing to give small electric jobs a go with these types of connectors.
@@haroon420 don’t get me wrong I’m not having a pop at DIYers as some are just as good as a qualified spark, but there are still some who should not be aloud any were near electrics , in fact i’am not having a pop at anyone in particular, just giving my own opinion as I believe in an old saying if it isn’t broken then don’t fix it or if you haven’t lost it then don’t replace it .
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I’m doing all the first fix on my home renovation. I’m using quickwire connectors and wago connectors wherever I can.
Today the electrician came to take a look and said the work was spot on. In fact he said ive gone overboard and he would not have used all these fancy gizmos but that’s because customers won’t pay for them.
The plan is that he will change the consumer unit, do the tests and fix any things which I might have missed. The idea is that I know how the house is wired and I’ve also saved a lot of money by doing much of the donkey work myself.
I know what my limits are and I’m working exclusively on non-energised circuits. I’m not touching anything at the consumer unit side.
I wouldn’t have been able to do it without RUclips channels such as this one.
@@haroon420 well done 👍
Sounds like you have done a good job but then there are another twenty people out there who have not got a clue but are happy to plod on. So well done I hope it all go’s well and maybe you should think about doing it as a career . As for me I am old school and I don’t like change for the sake of change . At the end of the day it all comes down to personal choice.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 haha. No mate. Can’t bear the thought of having to take responsibility for other peoples homes and lives!
I like the idea of this but most of our fixed wiring systems are done in T&E cables not flex for domestic so are the connectors compatible with the standard cable we use, much of the time I've worked on the continent it's always been flexible type cables rather than flat cables so perhaps this is more aimed at commercial grid lighting installations in the UK?
In Germany the most used cable types are NYM and NYY. Fixed installation must be solid conductors, stranded is only permitted from 16mm² upwards. Fine stranded only inside of enclosures. This system was designed to use it in trunking systems with a rail to carry accessories like outlets and such stuff.
T&E can be used but make sure you reverse the strain relief clamp to ensure the cable is restrained properly.
I thought plumbers where the only ones said to just push stuff together.
Only think I don't like about these is the cost of them. £2 for 1 connector is pretty much.
What worries me about systems like this is they blur the line between plug and socket equipment that is supposed to be used by ordinary persons and electrical installations that are supposed to be designed, installed and altered by competent electricians.
Firstly there is the problem of overcurrent protection. You show midi connectors being used for a lighting application, but you also show a box with a maxi input and midi outputs that would presumablly be used on a power circuit. So what stops someone just unplugging the light from the lighting circuit and plugging it into the power circuit?!
Secondly there is the problem that these connectors are not designed to be connected and disconnected under load, but will the users understand and respect that?
Also wago need to fix their website, some of the "view products" links on www.wago.com/gb/electrical-interconnections/discover-pluggable-connectors/winsta go to empty pages and the catalogue link at the bottom of the page is in german. I did find an english version of the catalog on a third party site ( www.dimoulas.com.gr/PDF%20EIDIKES%20AGORES/LIGHTNING/pdf%20wago%20LUMINAIRES/wago_Winsta_catalog_2017_2018_full.pdf ) , so it's not like an english version doesn't exist.
Fairly sure they said there was different colours for different applications, surely this has something to do with amps?
Different sizes for different currents. Also these plugs are usually hidden inside of trunking systems. They're used to connect accessories like outlets and such stuff to the supply. The ordinary user will never see them. For example this guy here is designed to install it into a trunking system, it contains two outlets which are protected with the integrated B16A 30mA type A RCBO:
www.obo.de/produkte/gebaeudeinstallation/steckbare-anschlusstechnik-wieland-gst18-wago-winsta/connect-wago-winsta/anschlussfertige-universaltraeger-mit-winsta-midi/utc4-fi-w-mit-2-schutzkontakt-steckdosen-und-fi-ls.html
Without the RCBO also available with 2, 3 or 4 outlets.
We use a comparable plug system since the 1970s here in Germany, other manufacturer but comparable style. The Wago is a modernised system. And as you can see, the plug is behind the outlet. That means, customer must remove cover of trunking, remove the outlet from the rail it sits on to unplug it...
@@CoulterTravel Nope, different sizes are for the current (Mini, Midi, Maxi). Mini is 16A, Midi is 25A and Maxi 35A. The colours are for the applications, the blue ones also can handle additional light dimming systems like DALI. Green ones for KNX building automation, black ones are power only and so on.
Looks pricey
3.90€ for a black midi plug (L, N, CPC). A module with 2 Schuko outlets for rail mounting and Winsta connection: 29.50€. Midi distribution box with DALI: 59.90€. The versions that you can solder to printed circuit boards are in the range of 2€. Todays exchange rate: 1€ = 0.87 GBP.
The thing is, they have competition there. That's a typical connector we use here in Germany for decades for this purpose. The so called "Wieland" plug, named after the company which introduced such a plug system in the 1970s. So they can't have a really high price tag on them...
The apex of time saving connections was already reached long time ago when the wagos appeared along with the already existent push in connectors in the light switches, sockets, fittings etc.. any faster than this is either wireless electricity or bodged work.. this being said, let’s not keep pushing with the claims of time saving, I don’t care about time, I care about reliability (it’s wago so it can only be reliable). “Loop in loop out” is the most incorrect thing to call to a “feed in feed out” on a RADIAL circuit. I’ll get 10 lights working quicker by running the cables “in/out” to all of them than you’ll take making the “to size” lengths for each fitting to reach that posh junction box.
Everything has to be faster. Where do you goobers think everyone will work?
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