PA28 RNAV GNSS runway 20 approach at Shoreham in IMC, UK
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2017
- The Flying Reporter practises an RNAV approach to Shoreham runway 20 in IMC in a PA28.
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Hi Jon Hunt, I'm french, PPL(a) since 08-2013, with FCL055 VFR only level . It's very interesting videos. I try to progress in english. With my frien JJ Camus, we prepare fight crountry to Doncourt-les-Conlfans, le Touquet, Lydd and Sandown. We try to prepare this flight. Thank very much. Mang
Another great vid. Enjoyed the IMC and approach plate walk through ;)
+Andy Donaldson great. Thanks Andy.
Really awesome!! I start my instrument rating training here in Melbourne next month. Exciting!!
Love a good RNAV, we use them a lot down here especially as a lot of the NDBs and VORs have started to disappear. And it's always cool to see the reaction of someone busting out of IMC on top for the first time as well! Great video Jon.
Thanks Stefan. I'm new to the RNAV, so a good practise.
Awesome as always. Will start regular flying youtube videos this november when I return to flight school and honestly I love your humble approach and admitting of mistakes and shortcomings, perhaps I will do something similar as well? Keep it up mate, blue side up and safe flights!
Thanks Howard.
Super video! That looks some fun
it is! Thanks.
7:32 - EXACTLY why I want to get my IR(R) :)
Another top video Jon, thanks for sharing.
Nick, it's well worth it. Thanks.
Nicely done Jon. It's all good practice. "Oops" LOL: there's not a pilot around who hasn't said that at one time or another. With only 20 hrs solo time, I say it quite often. Appreciate sharing your ride.
Haha. Thanks. Yeah, the touchdown at that point came as a surprise...oh well!
Really enjoyed the video. N.B. The RNAV approach would give you a glideslope to follow as well as a localizer which should be exactly the same as it is written on the chart. This should keep you on course maintaining a continuous descent towards your MDA if you so wish. Helps alleviate the work load. Of course, you double check with this specific RNAV approach at 3 nm and 1.9 nm. I believe your glideslope comes alive at 12:50 on the video. Happy flying!
Super video John, you can't beat a trip to Shoreham......great Cafe and outstanding views.
I found that this helped me to understand the sometimes confusing RNAV approach descriptions. (confusing for me in any case)
LP: No vertical Guidance WASS Required; MDA for Minimums
LPV: Vertical Guidance WASS required DA for Minimums
LNAV: No vertical guidance WAAS not required MDA for minimums Requires RAIM Integrity if WASS is not available
LNAV/VNAV: vertical guidance WASS or Baro-VNAV required DA for minimums requires RAIM Integrity if WASS is not available (If using Baro-VNAV) possible temperature restrictions if using Baro VNAV
The difference between LPV and LNAV/VNAV is that although they both have vertical guidance, LPV was designed to be very similar to an ILS approach with increasingly sensitive glideslope. Whereas LNAV/VNAV apparently designed earlier was for different equipment.
Looks like you were receiving an LNAV/VNAV approach into Shoreham - I think?
+Derek Warren cheers. there's no published lnav+v for shoreham. Just Lnav. Speaking to the tower, it got programmed when the procedure was first created, and never removed.
Ahh, now it makes sense, I thought the same when I went in and was surprised to see the glideslope come to life- it's like a surprise Birthday present!
Good video, I need to practice these!
+Plane Old Ben thanks. Did you get nay specific practical training on RNAV?
Hi Jon great Video very informative. I also fly a PA28 but what is the minimum equipment/kit required on board for RNAV?
great video. always fun seeing the hanger at shipping in your video's. I used to fly the grumman tiger GMPFC. where did you do your restricted IR? - i'm planning on doing my IR here in malta.
It's a great hangar...I did my IR(R) at Headcorn a couple of years ago.
nice!!!
Thanks Richard.
Great video as always Jon. I made a trip to Newcastle from Lee on Solent last week and it was pretty much IFR the whole way. I, like you, hold an IMC. I don't think I would have made the trip without it, invaluable rating. My question is when you 'Go IFR' do you use a combination of SkyDemon and the NDB/VOR/GPS? I filed a flight plan with SkyDemon but the addressing looks like VFR only, even though Newcastle received the plan. Just curious to know if you use SkyDemon to file IFR plans?
Cheers, keep up the work. Rob.
+Rob Chapman hi. I don't rely on skydemon when IFR, so all the other aids are used. I don't use skydemon to file IFR flight plans, I'd do it in Euro fpl...that said, I haven't yet filed an IFR flight plan except in the air.
Really interesting video thanks for posting. By the way I didnt hear you ident the ndb before commencing the procedure- I presumed that got lost in the editting (The GNSS 20 an ADF receiver is required because the NDB is part of the MAP)
+dave jones yeah, edited out...indented and ensured tracking.
Always great videos. Did your fellow pilot comment how he finds his headset. Just bought them second hand.
Thanks, we didn't discuss the headset, sorry.
Excellent stuff. Keep up the good work. Any chance of doing a video on cost of flying. As someone who would like to get my nppl or ppl I'd like to know what to expect. Thanks.
Thanks Mark, and thanks for the suggestion.
Very good indeed... I've got to put a camera on as well and share my flights from Denham...
Cheers Mike.
Pedantic: flying in and out of clouds is flying IMC and VMC. (Not IFR and VFR) I believe you filed IFR and conducted the flight under those rules
dave jones pedantic: its pedantic, not pendantic
@@christopherwilson6527 lol
Hi Jon, interesting video! I took my IR(R) test 10 days or so ago so, CAA workload permitting, should have a shiny new rating in a couple of weeks. I never flew an RNAV approach in my training though, the club aircraft isn't suitably equipped, mainly LOC and ILS at Southend. Did you have to do any further training with an instructor before looking at GPS approaches or was it self taught?
Well done. Self taught Dave. As far as I'm aware, there is no mandatory additional training required to fly the RNAV on the IR(R). Willing to be corrected. Some additional training would be wise, if you're not fully conversant with the equipment you're using though.
I think you're right, probably just training on the kit advised rather than anything else. It sounds like you did plenty of practice on a Garmin 430 though. It certainly seemed like you were well prepared. Our club has an aircraft with a Garmin 155 which is rather old school text only GPS, would be nice to have a 430 or something. Shame I don't live closer to Biggin, a share in Oscar Romeo would be lovely! P.s. you have one more pateron supporter :)
Thanks Dave. You're a gent!
Great video which I enjoyed. I'm sorry if I'm being dense but I'd always thought if flying IFR and particularly if in cloud, ATC would always be providing aircraft separation... Without this and being able to see, how can you avoid? Thank you Anthony
Hi. This was something I found hard to come to terms with when I started my IR(R) training. Under EASA SERA in the UK there is no requirement for aircraft flying IFR in IMC in class G airspace to maintain 2-way communication. No separation between aircraft is provided by ATC in class G, regardless of flight rules. My instructor told me that the big sky would make a mid air collision a very, very remote possibility.
You can request a traffic service if one is available, from a radar provider. But large parts of the UK don't have this radar coverage. I think you may be able to request a deconfliction service.. But in this busy area of class G, the separation requirements would be such that you'd be taking headings left right and centre to avoid traffic. It is good airmanship to receive a traffic service in IMC if one is available.
That said, at the point in the flight where I climbed above the cloud layer, I mis-judged the cloud thickness. I thought I'd just burst straight through it. It was actually a few hundred feet thick. Once I realised this, I obtained a traffic service from Farnborough LARS. This was edited out of the film.
Hope that helps. Jon
The Flying Reporter thank you Jon excellent reply - appreciated. I thought big skies might be the answer. Regards A
Hi - Great video. Just wonder if the only way to tell it is a LNAV only because it tells you under aircraft category on the chart - Is this information detailed elsewhere or how would you know?
+saif ali thanks. you'd go by what the most recent chart says.
The Flying Reporter Thanks for the quick reply. My question was more in relation to how do you it was LNAV approach only. I understand the LNAV +V annunciation you got was advisory only for the glide slope. Just wondered where it tells you this on the chart and how you would go about choosing the one you need?
+SAIFSB the lnav is the only published and therefore permitted approach, so I ignored the vertical guidance. According to a follower at the airport, the +V was designed, but never published.
nice, any de ice Equipment?
+Marko Fiorovic negative. Not certified for flight in known icing
Apparently the website is not working :(
+DeltaCharlieDelta thanks. Will look into that.