Greetings Root. Long time Linux user here, think I started around 1997. A few weeks ago I started using openBSD on a spare PC as a learning experience. So far I really like what I see. Only issue so far is I think OpenBSD 7.0's method for setting alternate DNS servers is a little overly complex. So far for the most part I really like what I am seeing.
The toolings you are listing here for openbsd sound, indeed very based and are quite interesting. I had no idea it gave you that level of control over your machine. Thats pretty fn neat
I really want to try it when I get a GPU that isn't Cuckvidia, would do it on my laptop but the keyboard/track pad drivers are non-standard so they have a hard time even on GNU/Linux
I accidentally just nuked my entire home folder on Artix Linux, but luckily I back up my dotfiles. I try to keep everything POSIX-compliant so I'm considering switching over to OpenBSD because I do things like use WMs and a lot of plain productivity and it seems like everything can transfer over well.
I have an OpenBSD server, setting it up is no different than installing to a PC. You just use ssh to administer the system. I am working on a personal website to run with httpd, so future video about that next year. I already made videos covering these topics ruclips.net/video/EGdSfn-gDgI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/WBZljghjNEU/видео.html But I will revisit the topics in future videos :)
I can't boot properly any bsd, I tried the latest netbsd, freebsd, midnightbsd, and dragonflybsd over a usb stick running ventoy latest version. I tested netbsd over qemu and it worked, I even installed it successfully, but all of the bsd's I tried freezes at the boot screen full of texts and such. Is it hardware incompatibility? I am running an atom x5-z8300 and I heard from DT channel the BSDs support very few hardware compared to gnu/linux
I really care about performance tho. I want to use it as a desktop OS and I don't care if I don't have the best security. So is there a way to customize it to be as fast as Linux/FreeBSD etc.? This will also be awesome because If I learn it, I can also use it for a server and not care about the performance at that point but more about security. What are your thoughts?
As long as your hardware is supported, then the performance is good. I never said the performance was terrible, I made this video using an OpenBSD desktop PC, but everyone's use case is different. Some people can appreciate the goals and engineering/documentation behind the project, and other have problems with hardware support and their entertainment needs. My videos have never stated the you should leave Linux and only use OpenBSD. I just wanted to highlight how good OpenBSD on the desktop has become and dispel the constant misinformation being spread around about it by certain people in the Linux community.
First timer here . Casual Linux user now ready to get srs and move into the real world. I'm thinking can we get a guide on setting up a box from a security standpoint that involves openBSD best practices ( or how you would do it if were upto you ). I'll be sure to check out your other content. Subscribed!!!!
@@root_dnb Interesting, thanks! I just found your script in your git repo too. Didn't even think about something like aucat until you mentioned it here. Thank you for the awesome video. Been running OpenBSD on my router and another server for half of this year now and love it. Got it on my Thinkpad now too as of the other day. I think my last steps to parity with my regular workload is to get Erlang and all that working right and figure out what on earth I'm doing wrong to get my wireguard client working since I need to use hostname.if instead of a wireguard config file
You dropped a great video, as always. But how does OpenBSD compares with DragonFlyBSD in terms of performance on SSDs? As you might know, DragonFlyBSD uses a different FS (HAMMERFS and HAMMER2FS) than FreeBSD to gain hardware optimizations on modern (NVMe) SSDs (which have been backported into FreeBSD).
@@root_dnb I just wanted to know the performance differences because it's what interests me. But I will definitely try out OpenBSD as soon as I can get a new SSD or an microSD card to install OpenBSD on.
@@Elhamidi0249 If I can recall, phoronix does a lot of benchmarks comparing the various BSD's, Linux distros, and filesystems. You might find some useful information there. Cheers!
The openBSD vs Linux argument is the same as the Linux vs windows: It's a lot more secure and has some very cool features! but software support is really bad... It's getting better though! You should definitely use it as a server.
@@gregandark8571 Sway hasn't been ported to OpenBSD. Wayland has been ported as part of an effort to get KDE plasma working. Neither of which really interest me personally. Also I'm not crazy about pipewire either (the Linux audio stack is a mess), also it's not coming to OpenBSD. There is a dedicated Linux audio channel by Unfa worth checking out if Linux music production is your thing. He's more qualified than me in the subject. Now I may do some content about configuring sndiod, and other OpenBSD audio tools. That's more up my alley.
coming form freebsd, services are setup on zvols, a mix of jails and separate vnet stacks .. I don't see any of that in openbsd .. ? at the same time pf and single host services are way better on openbsd.. many of the security features you mentioned are also nice on openbsd.. as for zfs on openbsd, replication, snapshots and datasets/zvols are superior on freebsd/illumos .. imo not having zfs is really holding openbsd back. until then.. freebsd for servers, openbsd for networking/security.
As I always say, use the best tool for the job. If you need FreeBSD for your job, use it! OpenBSD is a research operating system that is not in competition with anyone, so nothing is "holding it back". It's developed by the OpenBSD developers, for the OpenBSD developers, and WE benefit from their attention to detail. They don't want or need ZFS, neither do I. FFS2 is perfect for our needs. Instead of shiny toys, we want clean, robust, secure code.
I too noticed that nodeJS is out of date in ports. Same for rdiff-backup. That’s not necessarily because the newer versions won’t work on OpenBSD. They likely will. The developers work on what they want to work on. I don’t know their policy on removing steel or obsolete ports. Best solution is for someone to step up and submit an update for NodeJS, rdiff-backup, or whatever other app you want to the ports mailing list.
Greetings Root. Long time Linux user here, think I started around 1997. A few weeks ago I started using openBSD on a spare PC as a learning experience. So far I really like what I see. Only issue so far is I think OpenBSD 7.0's method for setting alternate DNS servers is a little overly complex. So far for the most part I really like what I am seeing.
Use local unbound in OpenBSD, it's fantastic and simple to setup!
The toolings you are listing here for openbsd sound, indeed very based and are quite interesting. I had no idea it gave you that level of control over your machine. Thats pretty fn neat
Runnning OpenBaSeD, do you get that comfy feeling we used to get from Linux back in the day before )ewbuntu came along and made it mainstream?
I really want to try it when I get a GPU that isn't Cuckvidia, would do it on my laptop but the keyboard/track pad drivers are non-standard so they have a hard time even on GNU/Linux
lol Cuckvidia, great burn.
ruclips.net/video/-UVfBNEtw8o/видео.html
@@root_dnb I was a foolish Windows user at the time
I accidentally just nuked my entire home folder on Artix Linux, but luckily I back up my dotfiles. I try to keep everything POSIX-compliant so I'm considering switching over to OpenBSD because I do things like use WMs and a lot of plain productivity and it seems like everything can transfer over well.
congrats , a year after you are one of the most watched openbsd content creators and advocates on youtube.
Very informative. Can you show us how to make a home server based on openbsd ? ALso 10 things to do after an openbsd installation ?
I have an OpenBSD server, setting it up is no different than installing to a PC. You just use ssh to administer the system. I am working on a personal website to run with httpd, so future video about that next year.
I already made videos covering these topics
ruclips.net/video/EGdSfn-gDgI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/WBZljghjNEU/видео.html
But I will revisit the topics in future videos :)
I can't boot properly any bsd, I tried the latest netbsd, freebsd, midnightbsd, and dragonflybsd over a usb stick running ventoy latest version. I tested netbsd over qemu and it worked, I even installed it successfully, but all of the bsd's I tried freezes at the boot screen full of texts and such. Is it hardware incompatibility? I am running an atom x5-z8300 and I heard from DT channel the BSDs support very few hardware compared to gnu/linux
which step is it hanging on
What is vaapi hardware acceleration like on BSD? It's a bit of a pain on Linux but does work overall.
I really care about performance tho. I want to use it as a desktop OS and I don't care if I don't have the best security. So is there a way to customize it to be as fast as Linux/FreeBSD etc.?
This will also be awesome because If I learn it, I can also use it for a server and not care about the performance at that point but more about security. What are your thoughts?
As long as your hardware is supported, then the performance is good. I never said the performance was terrible, I made this video using an OpenBSD desktop PC, but everyone's use case is different. Some people can appreciate the goals and engineering/documentation behind the project, and other have problems with hardware support and their entertainment needs. My videos have never stated the you should leave Linux and only use OpenBSD. I just wanted to highlight how good OpenBSD on the desktop has become and dispel the constant misinformation being spread around about it by certain people in the Linux community.
now that's a good video title
OpenBSD is based... on NetBSD.
I use NetBSD btw, no joke though I do have a sense of humor about it.
Do you know what cloud providers support openbsd?
First timer here . Casual Linux user now ready to get srs and move into the real world.
I'm thinking can we get a guide on setting up a box from a security standpoint that involves openBSD best practices ( or how you would do it if were upto you ). I'll be sure to check out your other content. Subscribed!!!!
the neurofunk intros always get me. awesome.
What's this acat (or however you spell it) software you speak of? I can't figure out how to spell it
It's aucat(1)
man.openbsd.org/aucat
@@root_dnb Interesting, thanks! I just found your script in your git repo too. Didn't even think about something like aucat until you mentioned it here. Thank you for the awesome video. Been running OpenBSD on my router and another server for half of this year now and love it. Got it on my Thinkpad now too as of the other day. I think my last steps to parity with my regular workload is to get Erlang and all that working right and figure out what on earth I'm doing wrong to get my wireguard client working since I need to use hostname.if instead of a wireguard config file
@@classicrockonly Great to hear, I hope OpenBSD works out for you. Cheers!
This is awesome and informative, thank you!
ive just started using and learning linux for 9months, maybe ill give bsd a try after failed chrooting to a 2 day compiled LFS:)
When is wayland coming to openbsd ?
Not sure if there is a real desire for it in the community. You're always welcome to submit a port, ports@openbsd.org
I thought I heard on the BSD Now podcast a month ago that someone is working on Wayland support with KDE Plasma in the work in progress ports.
@@k9w944 awesome
You dropped a great video, as always. But how does OpenBSD compares with DragonFlyBSD in terms of performance on SSDs? As you might know, DragonFlyBSD uses a different FS (HAMMERFS and HAMMER2FS) than FreeBSD to gain hardware optimizations on modern (NVMe) SSDs (which have been backported into FreeBSD).
@@root_dnb I just wanted to know the performance differences because it's what interests me. But I will definitely try out OpenBSD as soon as I can get a new SSD or an microSD card to install OpenBSD on.
@@Elhamidi0249 If I can recall, phoronix does a lot of benchmarks comparing the various BSD's, Linux distros, and filesystems. You might find some useful information there. Cheers!
care to do more than a "text to speech" of the frontpage?
You should actually watch the whole video to find out more 😉
The openBSD vs Linux argument is the same as the Linux vs windows:
It's a lot more secure and has some very cool features! but software support is really bad... It's getting better though! You should definitely use it as a server.
Hmm, works great on my desktop with dual monitors. Was good enough to produce this 1080p video for youtube. Thanks for watching!
@@root_dnb but can this thingy run pipewire,wayland ???
@@gregandark8571 No, it has it's own native audio server called sndio. Wayland was finally ported over a week ago.
@@root_dnb OK,then could you make some demos on OpenBSD + Wayland + Sway and why not?
also + Pipewire.
@@gregandark8571
Sway hasn't been ported to OpenBSD. Wayland has been ported as part of an effort to get KDE plasma working. Neither of which really interest me personally.
Also I'm not crazy about pipewire either (the Linux audio stack is a mess), also it's not coming to OpenBSD. There is a dedicated Linux audio channel by Unfa worth checking out if Linux music production is your thing. He's more qualified than me in the subject.
Now I may do some content about configuring sndiod, and other OpenBSD audio tools. That's more up my alley.
boys use vm
real men always bare metal
^ This guy gets it!
I see fish shell I hit like
Great to see you here!
Always lurkin' 🐡
coming form freebsd, services are setup on zvols, a mix of jails and separate vnet stacks .. I don't see any of that in openbsd .. ? at the same time pf and single host services are way better on openbsd.. many of the security features you mentioned are also nice on openbsd.. as for zfs on openbsd, replication, snapshots and datasets/zvols are superior on freebsd/illumos .. imo not having zfs is really holding openbsd back. until then.. freebsd for servers, openbsd for networking/security.
As I always say, use the best tool for the job. If you need FreeBSD for your job, use it! OpenBSD is a research operating system that is not in competition with anyone, so nothing is "holding it back". It's developed by the OpenBSD developers, for the OpenBSD developers, and WE benefit from their attention to detail. They don't want or need ZFS, neither do I. FFS2 is perfect for our needs. Instead of shiny toys, we want clean, robust, secure code.
Большое спасибо мне очень понравилось
Great for web development, but today the main web dev tool is vscode, which is not ported to OpenBSD ^^
It has vim, neovim and emacs. Countless developers use that software.
@@root_dnb And I am one of them
Based.
Awesome video. ++Subcount
You could say OpenBSD is based, on BSD hheh
For Web development not good. No docker and more. I hope OBSD update NodeJS and some tools for developers
Maybe not ALL forms of web development, which there are countless stacks. But there are many serious web developers that use OpenBSD.
I too noticed that nodeJS is out of date in ports. Same for rdiff-backup. That’s not necessarily because the newer versions won’t work on OpenBSD. They likely will. The developers work on what they want to work on. I don’t know their policy on removing steel or obsolete ports. Best solution is for someone to step up and submit an update for NodeJS, rdiff-backup, or whatever other app you want to the ports mailing list.
I see emacs, but it's not an emacs video. #notInterested
More cowbell?
@@root_dnb obviously
lol
Cool, now how do I install Steam Lmao
You could alway check out a friend of the channel, www.youtube.com/@thfr4321 and his github github.com/rfht
OpenBSD is for Chad's... Ejem Based