@@FriendlyCroock not typical of Chopin though because in his other concertante works the piano dominates the orchestra and they're as if it's always either tutti or solo and there's very little interplay between the piano and orchestra (isn't the case with his contemporaries, like Schumann and Liszt). But this work has some really good orchestration for a piano composer (it's definitely a lot better compared to the other orchestral works Chopin wrote).
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji I dissagree. It is typical of chopin. Like his fantasias on polish airs and his variations on la ci darem la mano. But especially his fantasias on polish folk those resemble Schumann's piano concerto perfectly. Listen to the third fantasy also known as the "Theme de Charles Kurpinski" cause it's a perfect example of the romantic piano concerto.
14:21 Listen to the phrasing and counterpoint throughout this section. It is GENIUS! Whoever says that Chopin wasn't a master of counterpoint, clearly doesn't know what counterpoint is themselves. The bass lines, inner voicings, and conversations between the voices are insane. And to know HOW to have written it properly as to be played as intended, is another genius level skillset that is miraculous by human standards.
He's been changing styles every 5 years, and his most mature style is his op 63 mazurkas by far. But krakowiak will always be my fauvorite piece of his
I've listened to nearly all of the performances of this piece, assure you that this is among the top 3 renditions for sure and for me personally it is no.1 ! Lovely conducting and Godly playing by both Cziffras !
This was written before his e minor concerto. It seems that this may have acted as a foundation for the 3rd movement, which is also based on a krakowiak
Chopin, you groovy scoundrel :) 7:06 - 3+3+2 subdivision for four subsequent measures. Might be the first such occurrence in classical music! Don't know whether the spark came from Chopin or Józef Elsner, his mentor/teacher under whose guidance the 18-year-old genius wrote this rondo - but it is a fantastic bit of invention no matter who it originated from. The opening pentatonic unisono melody is likewise remarkable.
Anton Reicha’s (born the same year as Beethoven) opus 36 no 28 has the 3+3+2 subdivision throughout the piece, so far that’s the earliest piece of classical music that I found that has that rhythm
@@ThePianoFortePlayer Wow! Thank you so much for this! A classicist fugue in this funky rhythm, amazing. Reicha rocks! Looks like a bit of an obscure piece - how did you come avross it? (Unfortunately, in the recording I found the pianist makes no effort to bring out the 3-3-2 subdivision.)
@@gergelykiss Yeah I noticed the same thing about the pianist, they make the piece sound like it’s a normal 4/4. I came across Reicha through his wind quintets, as I read about him I saw his work on fugues, which intrigued me as I am very interested in anything counterpoint related
Cool! Reicha very much deserves to be re-discovered by classical music lovers. I knew he was one of Liszt's composition teachers, but turns out he also taught Berlioz and even César Franck (though, the latter must have been a very brief stint considering their respective dates:). Liszt employed the 3+3+2 subdivision once in his earlier set of Hungarian Rhapsodies, might be Reicha's influence - according to wikipedia Reicha experiemented with some pretty radical stuff: polyrhythms, polytonality, microtonal music. What a guy!
It's amazing how folk music from diverse places/cultures show similarities like that. Polish music's rhythm sometimes sounds syncopated like blues, an African-American form that itself did draw from classical music, but mostly from West African rhythm, southers A-A folk music, etc. It's like convergent evolution in nature/phylogenetics
It's so weird and frustrating for me to be able to follow each note flawlessly yet be unable to play this gorgeous Chopin composition with anything approaching virtuosity. It's like with the German language. Even though I had 4 years of German in high school and college, and I can read it and understand what I read and properly pronounce every German word, I cannot converse in German.
is this music copywritten, or is this public domain that can be used in projects? Have a video project on Polish Heritage Easter traditions and this would be perfect - please advise
People go on about how unique and great this work is but fail to recognize how derivative it is. It's got Hummel written all over it in big bold fonts. Not dissing Chopin. Just a young composer using Hummel's science to serve his Polish romanticism.
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the balance between the piano and the orchestra is near-perfect, never heard anything more beautiful than that intro
It's typical with compositions for piano and orchestra of the romantic era.
The piano becomes part of the orchestra.
@@FriendlyCroock not typical of Chopin though because in his other concertante works the piano dominates the orchestra and they're as if it's always either tutti or solo and there's very little interplay between the piano and orchestra (isn't the case with his contemporaries, like Schumann and Liszt). But this work has some really good orchestration for a piano composer (it's definitely a lot better compared to the other orchestral works Chopin wrote).
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
I dissagree.
It is typical of chopin.
Like his fantasias on polish airs and his variations on la ci darem la mano.
But especially his fantasias on polish folk those resemble Schumann's piano concerto perfectly.
Listen to the third fantasy also known as the "Theme de Charles Kurpinski" cause it's a perfect example of the romantic piano concerto.
14:21 Listen to the phrasing and counterpoint throughout this section. It is GENIUS! Whoever says that Chopin wasn't a master of counterpoint, clearly doesn't know what counterpoint is themselves. The bass lines, inner voicings, and conversations between the voices are insane. And to know HOW to have written it properly as to be played as intended, is another genius level skillset that is miraculous by human standards.
Some of the most underrated music by Chopin in my opinion.
heheheha
To me its this and the bolero
wow, what a beautiful melody at the beginning!
A gorgeous introduction indeed !
Chopin had been so mature on his style when he was 18 years old.
He's been changing styles every 5 years, and his most mature style is his op 63 mazurkas by far. But krakowiak will always be my fauvorite piece of his
8:29 this sequence is just-
I didn't know this piece existed until now
I can play this.
I mean....the video.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 😂
Thank you so much Jonas for this very unique upload with score. A genuine rarity and rarely performed Chopin work.
Cziffra & Jr. always did good performances! I love their recordings .
I've listened to nearly all of the performances of this piece, assure you that this is among the top 3 renditions for sure and for me personally it is no.1 ! Lovely conducting and Godly playing by both Cziffras !
Cziffra always rocks!
This was written before his e minor concerto. It seems that this may have acted as a foundation for the 3rd movement, which is also based on a krakowiak
Then it's very surprising this has decently good orchestration and the piano concerti don't
This is beautiful rondo
Chopin, you groovy scoundrel :) 7:06 - 3+3+2 subdivision for four subsequent measures. Might be the first such occurrence in classical music! Don't know whether the spark came from Chopin or Józef Elsner, his mentor/teacher under whose guidance the 18-year-old genius wrote this rondo - but it is a fantastic bit of invention no matter who it originated from. The opening pentatonic unisono melody is likewise remarkable.
Also rip fingers if I try to play this
Anton Reicha’s (born the same year as Beethoven) opus 36 no 28 has the 3+3+2 subdivision throughout the piece, so far that’s the earliest piece of classical music that I found that has that rhythm
@@ThePianoFortePlayer Wow! Thank you so much for this! A classicist fugue in this funky rhythm, amazing. Reicha rocks! Looks like a bit of an obscure piece - how did you come avross it? (Unfortunately, in the recording I found the pianist makes no effort to bring out the 3-3-2 subdivision.)
@@gergelykiss Yeah I noticed the same thing about the pianist, they make the piece sound like it’s a normal 4/4. I came across Reicha through his wind quintets, as I read about him I saw his work on fugues, which intrigued me as I am very interested in anything counterpoint related
Cool! Reicha very much deserves to be re-discovered by classical music lovers. I knew he was one of Liszt's composition teachers, but turns out he also taught Berlioz and even César Franck (though, the latter must have been a very brief stint considering their respective dates:). Liszt employed the 3+3+2 subdivision once in his earlier set of Hungarian Rhapsodies, might be Reicha's influence - according to wikipedia Reicha experiemented with some pretty radical stuff: polyrhythms, polytonality, microtonal music. What a guy!
Wow, I'd never heard of this piece before! And I thought I knew all of Chopin's repertoire!
I don't think I've ever heard Cziffra Sr. be this tame before his son died!
I love it, by the way! The orchestral detail being brought out by Cziffra Jr. is such a pleasant listening experience!
Beautiful
Proof Chopin had the capacity to learn composing for orchestra. Mans just didn’t feel like it
Wow
I swear one section sounded like ragtime/blues. Chopin must've invented that style.
Listen to Beethoven's 32nd Sonata at the 17th minute
@@LiamLKV Ok.
Damn increased chromaticsim sounds too much like jaz
Do you think syncopated rhythm maybe? Then not. Syncopated rhythm is characteristic for Polish Dance Krakowiak. :)
@@tomaszdziamaek1839 yass
It's amazing how folk music from diverse places/cultures show similarities like that. Polish music's rhythm sometimes sounds syncopated like blues, an African-American form that itself did draw from classical music, but mostly from West African rhythm, southers A-A folk music, etc. It's like convergent evolution in nature/phylogenetics
I like the part where Cziffra is involved :)
I like the whole piece !
Köszönöm !
夢の国にいるようです。
Like father, like son :)
I wrote op14 instead of no14 and I can't say I'm disappointed
Ooh nice ;)
am i wrong or here, there are some "prodroms" of his 2 concertos (and not only)?
I don't know a lot about his 2nd Concerto. But the 3rd movement of Chopin's 1st concerto (e minor) is also based on a krakowiak.
It's so weird and frustrating for me to be able to follow each note flawlessly yet be unable to play this gorgeous Chopin composition with anything approaching virtuosity. It's like with the German language. Even though I had 4 years of German in high school and college, and I can read it and understand what I read and properly pronounce every German word, I cannot converse in German.
This sounds way ahead of his time, like modern almost
Interesting! I think Chopin is from every time. Eternal truth, eternal beauty.
doesn't the beginning remind anyone else of grieg?
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is this music copywritten, or is this public domain that can be used in projects?
Have a video project on Polish Heritage Easter traditions and this would be perfect - please advise
YESYESYES
It seems like you like Cziffra just a tiny bit, maybe a tad more
14:21
Chopin "narrates" using quartines like Bach.
Someone show this to ax7
People go on about how unique and great this work is but fail to recognize how derivative it is. It's got Hummel written all over it in big bold fonts. Not dissing Chopin. Just a young composer using Hummel's science to serve his Polish romanticism.
Every good composer steals but in the good way lol
I know nothing about Hummel. Could your share something regarding your comment? I'm very interested.
Chopin openly worshipped Hummel
Yes, in his Chopin's concerti as well. Very derivative of Hummel's concerti
Chopin był i jest geniuszem i chlubą POLSKI!!❤❤❤❤❤