I think this is easily the most important/useful tip you have covered. I've just checked my 1997 XK8 and both rubber pipes were unhooked with water able to cascade down into the engine bay. Now rectified. Thank you my man.
Some knowledge can only be learned through the experience of failure. So well done John, we are all very glad you shared that. You are leading the way with XK8 videos and each upload helps keep these beauties on the road 👍
Thanks for the suggestion. So both straps were off on mine, but only one hose had slipped off. By the way the passenger side on my yank version is a much tighter fit with the fuse block in there. The side that had the hose off, was also missing the hook the strap was supposed to hang on. So I took out the screw that is near there and holds the plastic to the fender, then put it through the hole in the strap and retightened. It won’t be as easy to take off, but I shouldn’t need to. Oh, and as near as I can tell, there was no damage caused by having the tube disconnected.
Interesting design! Thank you for the information ....owning a Jaguar over 20 years old, there is no need to help it rust out! Keep those small details coming in future episodes! Love the XK8!
Just checked mine and it was OFF!!! My little bay there has a couple of extra modules in it from yours so it was harder to see down that inner side to the bottom but I think it looked ok. I've owned my XKR for just over 2 years now and don't drive in the rain if I can help it. Thankfully I think I've just dodged a bullet here! Thanks for that great tip! I think it would be so easy to knock that elastic band off again too I reckon, it would only take a slight movement or stray arm.
Good to know, I’ll check mine out. Already had work done on the rear quarters where the inner wing rusts and appears as a few bless around the wheel arch.
John : Billy Z. Here From the USA. As usual your episodes are very informative and helpful. Episode 15 (the rust trap )I've recently watched and after your suggestion checked under the hood and found that my XK8 had water trapped in the box . Even though my drain hose was attached it must'ave been partially blocked with debris and overflowed into the box resulting in trapped water within. I've cleared the drain hose and now seems to be draining properly. Also as an fyi I suggest that owners also check the drain inside the bottom of the fuel fill , there I've found that drain also clogged with debris and holding water. So maybe you could suggest owners possibly check that drain is clear also to help prevent body rot. Thanks again for the helpful info. Happy Motoring 😁
Never would’ve thought to look for that, I’ll check it now. Odd that they didn’t just use one piece for the pipe, or at least affix a hose-clamp or something similar!
I can mention another rust trap which has caused me huge trouble - grass and dirt can collect all the way up in the body panel below the tail lights, above the bumper and to the side of the boot panel (where the baddges are) You won't know anything about it until it rusts through from the inside. It is hard to access, but can possibly be done if you take the tail lights out. I can send pictures if it helps.
Hi john, Excellent advice. Both driver and passenger side had become detached. Passengers side a bit tricky, but both drains now re made, bay cleaned and WD sprayed. Have you had any luck sourcing replacement sound deadening?...mine in the same condition as yours!
Hi Harry I have failed to find a supplier of original or pattern parts for that area but i have purchased some materials to look at making my own!.. Obviously a video will happen at some point once I have worked it out. Damn Mousies! 🐭
There is another potential corrosion trap. There is a wire conduit from engine bay just behind the engine that goes down to tranmission. Jaguar has "closed" the upper end by wire strap kind of plastic strap a couple of inches below the top which is open. Under normal conditions there is no water going there, but careless water hose or pressure washer surely fills this few inches of conduit. Water has amazing way to find way through tiniest of apertures and drip directly to some transmission controls as it cannot evaporate from that tube. Over these years it is possible to corrode wrong and expensive bits and pieces down there. Keep an eye on that conduit if you wash your engine bay with hose.
Excellent advice John. I solve the problem of mice getting into my engine bay by placing few naffbals over there. They can't stand the intense smell of nafthaline. All though if the girl is not moved for a week it smells like a closet . Hahaha . Cheers.
@@ToTheGarage Do you by any chance know what the part is called next to the right hand side bumper on my X100 XKR? It's part of the rear bumper panel but is a seperate peice, mine has gone missing and I would like to replace it if possible.
I noticed the floor mat in passenger foot-well would get wet following rain. Somehow rain had found its way through the dashboard & rusted a small hole in the floor panel under the carpet. The source of the leak was identified by my local body-shop & a small plate was welded to the floor chassis. Living in the countryside I also had a mouse nest in the warm cylinder head. Blighter chewed through a cable causing the car to misfire on starting.
You want to watch that. The 2007 and 2008 models had a defective aircon design that caused condensation to run into the passenger footwell. Very difficult and expensive to fix. Google XK duckbill for more info.
@@FirmCat: Thanks for sharing that information. I read the Jaguar forums relating to the duckbill with interest. My own Jag is a 2003 XK8 Coupe 4.2 & I'm not sure if it too had the condensation issue. I only use the Jag occasionally & haven't regassed the a/c for some time. If I were a regular user I'd have a full a/c service & keep a close eye on the footwell.
Hi John, really like the videos. Maybe a strange question, but where does the water drain from your car after going down the rubber tubes? I have a 2001 XKR and the water seems to leave the car through the sill area - not sure if is correct? Might just be an odd design but I would've thought the water would've been sent out via a drain on the underneath of the car?
Hi Paul. No its a great question.👍 The rubber tubes pass through the inner wheel arch skin. (Metal side of servo bay closest to the wheel) and only protrude though it by about 20mm. So the water basically just pours onto the top of the plastic wheel arch liner and drips out behind each front wheel in a very uncontrolled way.
The scuttle drain on the XK8 is well thought out and still miles better than the 1970 - 1982 Camaro / Firebird. On those models, the water drains down the A pillar into the sills and exits via a drain hole at the rear of the sill in the rear wheel arch. These cars are not painted where you can't see so you can imagine the results especially as the water exit area is usually caked in mud. And of course, many get their rear ends jacked up as well. GM actually published that a flow of clean rain water actually kept rust at bay.
The small blobs turned out to be a symptom of the inner wing so had to be cut and new manufactured pieces welded in place. But now fully sealed so should be no more trouble. Difficult theses days to find the tradesmen who can do it. The restorer who put me on to the garage in Grimsby wrapped because he couldn’t get hold of panel beater sprayers who could do it all.
My car is stored outside - albeit very well covered - and has suffered the same mouse damage as John's. Call me a skeptic about such things, but after repairing the damage twice, I bought (in the USA) a peppermint mouse repellent called Bonide Mouse Magic Pest Repellent, #866. Stick a packet on the damper / shock housing near to the padding, using a small piece of duck / gaffer tape top and bottom. Problem solved: Three years along, with no chewing, and not a sign of mouse droppings. It seems expensive, but you get 24 packets, of which you need two. I change them once a year when, even though the mfr suggests 30 days!. So it's actually quite economical. Keep the unused packets tightly double-sealed.
@@ToTheGarage John, it turns out that there are about three US states that don't allow the sale of this particular stuff, but I don't know why. Quite possibly, it has more to do with indoor use and / or children that anything else.
I think this is easily the most important/useful tip you have covered. I've just checked my 1997 XK8 and both rubber pipes were unhooked with water able to cascade down into the engine bay. Now rectified. Thank you my man.
You are welcome Skidco1
Some knowledge can only be learned through the experience of failure. So well done John, we are all very glad you shared that. You are leading the way with XK8 videos and each upload helps keep these beauties on the road 👍
Thanks for the suggestion. So both straps were off on mine, but only one hose had slipped off. By the way the passenger side on my yank version is a much tighter fit with the fuse block in there. The side that had the hose off, was also missing the hook the strap was supposed to hang on. So I took out the screw that is near there and holds the plastic to the fender, then put it through the hole in the strap and retightened. It won’t be as easy to take off, but I shouldn’t need to. Oh, and as near as I can tell, there was no damage caused by having the tube disconnected.
Steven Schmelling bullet dodged!
Thanks for sharing Steven👍
Interesting design! Thank you for the information ....owning a Jaguar over 20 years old, there is no need to help it rust out! Keep those small details coming in future episodes! Love the XK8!
Thomas Gaffney Thanks.
Don’t forget to share with your friends👍
Just checked mine and it was OFF!!! My little bay there has a couple of extra modules in it from yours so it was harder to see down that inner side to the bottom but I think it looked ok. I've owned my XKR for just over 2 years now and don't drive in the rain if I can help it. Thankfully I think I've just dodged a bullet here! Thanks for that great tip! I think it would be so easy to knock that elastic band off again too I reckon, it would only take a slight movement or stray arm.
Trevor Heath good catch mate.
Very few people ever check it until the footwell is full of water or there is a sloshing sound when braking
Good to know, I’ll check mine out. Already had work done on the rear quarters where the inner wing rusts and appears as a few bless around the wheel arch.
I have those same blisters to resole Roy.
Were they able to make a local bodywork repair or was it necessary to cut arrears out and weld new in?
I'm in the wow category too!..I never would have thought to look at this, so today it's one of the first things on my list.
Its a weird weird solution Trevor.👍
John : Billy Z. Here From the USA. As usual your episodes are very informative and helpful. Episode 15 (the rust trap )I've recently watched and after your suggestion checked under the hood and found that my XK8 had water trapped in the box . Even though my drain hose was attached it must'ave been partially blocked with debris and overflowed into the box resulting in trapped water within. I've cleared the drain hose and now seems to be draining properly. Also as an fyi I suggest that owners also check the drain inside the bottom of the fuel fill , there I've found that drain also clogged with debris and holding water. So maybe you could suggest owners possibly check that drain is clear also to help prevent body rot. Thanks again for the helpful info. Happy Motoring 😁
This is something I need to investigate. Thanks again!!
Never would’ve thought to look for that, I’ll check it now. Odd that they didn’t just use one piece for the pipe, or at least affix a hose-clamp or something similar!
Similar approach is used on other jags too. its a very unusual approach.
I can mention another rust trap which has caused me huge trouble - grass and dirt can collect all the way up in the body panel below the tail lights, above the bumper and to the side of the boot panel (where the baddges are) You won't know anything about it until it rusts through from the inside. It is hard to access, but can possibly be done if you take the tail lights out. I can send pictures if it helps.
David Nimmo yes please . Would love to see pictures👍
Learn something every day! Thanks.
Thank you for watching Mike
More sound advice 👍 Always good to check all the drain holes regularly on the cat.
They are at that age now where we can't tolerate any extra challenges to the steels protection system👍
Hi john,
Excellent advice. Both driver and passenger side had become detached. Passengers side a bit tricky, but both drains now re made, bay cleaned and WD sprayed.
Have you had any luck sourcing replacement sound deadening?...mine in the same condition as yours!
Hi Harry I have failed to find a supplier of original or pattern parts for that area but i have purchased some materials to look at making my own!.. Obviously a video will happen at some point once I have worked it out.
Damn Mousies! 🐭
There is another potential corrosion trap. There is a wire conduit from engine bay just behind the engine that goes down to tranmission. Jaguar has "closed" the upper end by wire strap kind of plastic strap a couple of inches below the top which is open. Under normal conditions there is no water going there, but careless water hose or pressure washer surely fills this few inches of conduit. Water has amazing way to find way through tiniest of apertures and drip directly to some transmission controls as it cannot evaporate from that tube. Over these years it is possible to corrode wrong and expensive bits and pieces down there. Keep an eye on that conduit if you wash your engine bay with hose.
Excellent advice John.
I solve the problem of mice getting into my engine bay by placing few naffbals over there. They can't stand the intense smell of nafthaline. All though if the girl is not moved for a week it smells like a closet . Hahaha .
Cheers.
The bit mine is attached to has snapped off so I've attached it to the screw instead. I would have to replace the whole part to replace it otherwise.
A really good idea Kuddlesworth NA👍
@@ToTheGarage Do you by any chance know what the part is called next to the right hand side bumper on my X100 XKR? It's part of the rear bumper panel but is a seperate peice, mine has gone missing and I would like to replace it if possible.
More great info John.
Thanks Nick
I noticed the floor mat in passenger foot-well would get wet following rain. Somehow rain had found its way through the dashboard & rusted a small hole in the floor panel under the carpet. The source of the leak was identified by my local body-shop & a small plate was welded to the floor chassis. Living in the countryside I also had a mouse nest in the warm cylinder head. Blighter chewed through a cable causing the car to misfire on starting.
You want to watch that. The 2007 and 2008 models had a defective aircon design that caused condensation to run into the passenger footwell. Very difficult and expensive to fix. Google XK duckbill for more info.
@@FirmCat: Thanks for sharing that information. I read the Jaguar forums relating to the duckbill with interest. My own Jag is a 2003 XK8 Coupe 4.2 & I'm not sure if it too had the condensation issue. I only use the Jag occasionally & haven't regassed the a/c for some time. If I were a regular user I'd have a full a/c service & keep a close eye on the footwell.
The compartment actually has an other drain hole way deeper, so it should not still fill up. Do agree it is a rather weird design ..
Hi John, really like the videos. Maybe a strange question, but where does the water drain from your car after going down the rubber tubes? I have a 2001 XKR and the water seems to leave the car through the sill area - not sure if is correct? Might just be an odd design but I would've thought the water would've been sent out via a drain on the underneath of the car?
Hi Paul.
No its a great question.👍
The rubber tubes pass through the inner wheel arch skin. (Metal side of servo bay closest to the wheel) and only protrude though it by about 20mm. So the water basically just pours onto the top of the plastic wheel arch liner and drips out behind each front wheel in a very uncontrolled way.
The scuttle drain on the XK8 is well thought out and still miles better than the 1970 - 1982 Camaro / Firebird. On those models, the water drains down the A pillar into the sills and exits via a drain hole at the rear of the sill in the rear wheel arch. These cars are not painted where you can't see so you can imagine the results especially as the water exit area is usually caked in mud. And of course, many get their rear ends jacked up as well. GM actually published that a flow of clean rain water actually kept rust at bay.
Thats Incredible Al. It makes Jags elastic band seem quite logical!!
The small blobs turned out to be a symptom of the inner wing so had to be cut and new manufactured pieces welded in place. But now fully sealed so should be no more trouble. Difficult theses days to find the tradesmen who can do it. The restorer who put me on to the garage in Grimsby wrapped because he couldn’t get hold of panel beater sprayers who could do it all.
Does that mean there is a trustworthy Specialist in Grimsby?
Because, that's not a million miles for me Roy.
Any recommendations gratefully accepted.
A & T Autos Ladysmith Rd. Grimsby. Ask for Alan. Did a good job on mine. As I wasn’t in a hurry I left it with them over the winter.
01472 250605 if you know Grimsby it is nearly opposite the old Birdseye factory next to the Honest Lawyer pub.
I thought you were going to talk about the hidden rot spot at the top of the front legs...
My car is stored outside - albeit very well covered - and has suffered the same mouse damage as John's. Call me a skeptic about such things, but after repairing the damage twice, I bought (in the USA) a peppermint mouse repellent called Bonide Mouse Magic Pest Repellent, #866. Stick a packet on the damper / shock housing near to the padding, using a small piece of duck / gaffer tape top and bottom. Problem solved: Three years along, with no chewing, and not a sign of mouse droppings. It seems expensive, but you get 24 packets, of which you need two. I change them once a year when, even though the mfr suggests 30 days!. So it's actually quite economical. Keep the unused packets tightly double-sealed.
Hi Rnj Bailey
This is a really good idea.
The product you have used is not available in the UK but I will try out something similar.
Thanks👍
@@ToTheGarage John, it turns out that there are about three US states that don't allow the sale of this particular stuff, but I don't know why. Quite possibly, it has more to do with indoor use and / or children that anything else.
You got a wasp in there as well!
Good thing you make videos about cars and not trees.. That was a maple seed.
😁
Wow, never knew that.. That is a stupid design I might add.