ive seen this car grow for a couple years and everytime i think its finished, something else even more crazy happens, the videos are well put together and i enjoy watching them so keep doing what you are doing peter because it is appreciated, as you can tell from the comments. im now starting to wonder if an 8'' would replace the factory sat nav ! lol
Following the principles of sound waves and how that energy passes through an elastic solid, liquid, or gas. He demonstrated that by saying that his rear sub would not go past a certain hz as it was due to his acoustics in his Honda, and varies other challenges. This is what I love about car audio! Taking what you know of sound theory and how it interacts with its environment and you can tailor it with software and bend it to your will using a digital equalizer. I'm no acoustician but I do appreciate the art since it's one of my most expensive hobbies I currently have.
Brett from Anchorage Alaska here appreciating all the hard work and knowledge your sharing with the world. I fucking love car audio, way more than most people. I have a few builds under my belt but the current one is a 2012 Malibu w/ a SQ-ish system going in. I will take all the info i can get. People here don't share as much, act like it's big secret in the USA.
I am working on my first front sub build right now with an Image Dynamics 8. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. I learn something new with your videos new and old!
Funny thing happened for me to find your channel lol. I handed my phone to a baby and she randomly subscribed to your channel. So far i love the videos mate! Definitely gonna stay subscribed!
Yeah there is usually a null somewhere from 50-80hz in the car. When you play from a speaker in the back its pronounced and unacceptable. Subs in the back do not sound good above this null either. You should handle down to that null with front speakers then swap to the sub in the back below it. Hard to do though depending on the output level you want. Just like you said the 6.5s are going to lose alot of volume potential because they need all their excursion headroom devoted to going low. 8s do alot better and if you can manage it a small sub in the front is perhaps the best solution. Learned all this the hard way but I'm very happy with my setup now so it was worth it.
@@juanpestrada5231bdndjkdnI went with 2 8s in place of the 6.5s I had in front. It sacrifices some sq in the mid high but they have at least double the output of any 6.5 midbass in terms of bass. The ones I have are made by sb acoustics and they have very good excursion. Another possible option is trying to move the sub. I understand if that isn't possible but the core issue really comes from just the shape of the cabin and how it makes sound waves cancel sometimes. It really is rough. In home audio the sub usually needs to be placed ideally and processed because of the room reflections.
@@juanpestrada5231bdndjkdn SB23NRXS45-4 They give up some sq in the mid high and need tweeters that can go very low. They are off axis a bit much for the range I use them in. That is the tradeoff. And they do work really well to fill in the space right above the subbass. They also have exceptionally smooth lower mids that outclass almost everything I have heard making them REALLY stand out on certain songs. They scale gracefully at high volume as well. Which is awesome when a kick hits and the speaker handles it fine without increasing distortion to the other frequencies. All in all I do miss the perfect high midrange I used to have. But the grass is always greener. And I am confident that I would miss these more.
I was going to ask you to do some videos explain your setup. For a lot of the people that don't understand sound quality and speaker placement and automobiles, it can be kind of overwhelming to try to figure out why someone would put a subwoofer in the glove box. I forget you and most of my friends are in car audio so a lot of things are assumed. Now I have a reference video to link other people to. And it's a great video narrated and explained by someone who can publicly speak and explain things very clearly. You explained perfectly how and why things are done with a purpose. I know all of us will be looking forward to all of your videos. This is very inspiring as I start my build to do a video log as well as pictures. I know this takes a lot of time to do so I definitely appreciate you doing all of this for us!
Thanks Justin! 🙏 I would like to see more people share their experience this way, would be so great to learn from each other! I’d rather watch videos like this, than “stupid” Netflix! :D
Pssound You know I totally agree! I so want to keep the bridge between Bassheads and sound quality gurus sturdy and flowing with traffic of information between all of us. Believe me I've learned a lot about bass and wiring and box building that has even spilled over to smaller speakers. As long as we keep the right attitude in that we're always learning and should always be listening as God gave us two ears and one mouth. Guess what we should be doing twice over the other? LISTENING! (Thank you Dad for leaving me with that one saying LOL.) Peter thank you for being an inspiration to me during this time of recovery and pain. It is sure nice to have friends that share similar goals like this in car audio!
Subs can be crossed over higher too in order to bring the subs closer to the front stage. Installed / Used an Aliante 15" woofer in AP / IB setup in a vehicle, it had a lot of musical output above 100-200HZ that provided a very snappy midbass and impactful presence to the vehicle front stage. Using a Pair of Morel 6.5 midwoofers and Waveguides only for the front stage, no rear speakers. It was very musical and loud on Drum Tracks the subwoofer wasn't too localized As it acted as an ambience driver too, with EQ it would have improved more, the low end was deep below 40hz - although the box for the Sub was only 3.5" deep which cancelled alot of 50-70HZ output, for an SQL vehicle 2 15" Aliente coupled with woofers in the rear deck for low-end IB would be a good SQL setup. IMO. Very Aggressive loud and very musical ' the epoxy type flat cone also created a surround ambience in the cabin too. Currently Running a pair of W7 IB crossed to 600HZ (With EQ adjusted for peaks and cancellations etc) helps improve the front stage response in cabin.
I wanted to add that your attention to detail is not unnoticed. You did not have to blend that sharp line off of the center dash into the bottom of the glove box and carry it over the sub and on to the other side of it.....but yes, you had to! Excellent work and craftsmanship.
@@pssound9749hello peter, if you moved the subwoofer from the trunk to the rear seats just behind the front seats, would the sub play higher to fill in the midbass null in the 60, 70, and 80 hz region to mitigate the reason to place a subwoofer in front of the front seats?
Well cdtaudio makes a simple under seat subwoofers but can also do midbass duties, it's the min max 400 I took out the amp from it and now I've placed it in front of passenger feet and slightly under the glove compartment, it doesnt bother in any way, the speaker are two 5x8 and they are powered by two channels bridged and I use the amps crossover to get the desired frequency that works for me, plus I have a cdtaudio es- 6x9 which go down to 30 and up to 5, so I'm happy for a daily driver, the cdtaudio eo-02 wideband and the eo tweeters plus three way from cdt in the rear and a 12 sq directed compx subwoofer from 1992 which is actually the models from orion and cdt audio, looks like a helix pw12
Same with my car. Took me a while to realise rear sub doesn't integrate well above 50hz. I went with dual 6.5 midbass per door but doesn't play low enough so currently putting in some 8s
I have a toyota corolla with active focal kx3 set up front, with two jl audio 10w7's sealed in the trunk. Do you think adding another set/second set of midwoofers in the front doors would make a good difference?. The sub is set up to 80hz, the 6.5 takes over from 80hz to 500, the 3 inch goes from 500 to 6500, and the tweeter goes from 6500 up.
I have two big 5 channel amps and I'm gonna need to change to smaller class d amps because I have a hybrid and I need more efficiency, I would love for you guys to give me a recommendation, I have 2 helix dark blue 5 channel, I'm thinking of two hertz hdpc 4 channel and 1 hdp1 which gives me plenty of headroom if I continue to use passive on some areas
Is it alright to just run 1 (8”) sub up front, instead of 2? To fill in that gap between 50-70 hz.? I have active 2 way in front. 6.5 in doors and tweets in sails. A single 12 “ sub in a sealed box. Which is
I had the same issue facing my single 12 in a huge sealed box up.. facing rear at a certain distance helped . Now my issue is my midbass in my doors phase issues with either being able to play 50 herts punch vs 125 hz punch its 1 or the other switching hpf and lpf or full.. probly because there temporary kicker comp 8s idk
DirtySouthFlorida3 There’s not a single car without having issues like these! Working with these issues and trying to work around them to get the best out of the system is the true challenge of car audio! 💪🤘👌
I was actually thinking of using three 4 channel,if decide to just live single sub with 500 to 600 w. Rms, maybe I can try out some of those butt shakers, should be cool, what do you guys recommend
I love your videos you really explain things well and into a level of detail i can't find anywhere on other channels or forums. I was wondering, where can i listen to your demo cars, i really want to come to competitions and car audio scenes to listen and see what people have done and just generally get exposed to more varied types of builds, speakers etc. Can you guide me to events / shows to help get into this scene? Thank You!
Hi, Indeed, coming to competition rounds is useful, as you can listen to many different setups, so it's easy to get an idea about what is possible. The next one is at the end of this month. Check out Emmanet.uk page, you'll find all info there, i'll be there too. Where are you based?
Cool, i notice it's combined with the Japfest that weekend, i may just bring my 350z down. I'm based in Bradford Yorkshire, but often down in Reading / London area too, i'll have a another look at the EMMA calendar and see if there is an event further up my way at some point, if not, ill certainly try and make it next weekend, having checked with the wife and all that first haha
R4 will be at Santapod, but i won’t be there, i can’t do that round. R5 is not announced yet. R6 is at Silverstone. Try to do R3, which will be the last time i have the 2 18”s in my car, worth a demo! 😃
So you actually run 2 different subs? An 8" up front and something else in the rear? Do you run 2 different size subs? I always theorized that a 15 and an 8 would be a good mix, but it seems to be frowned upon when i look online.
Timmothy If you watched this video, it should be clear that it’s way more complex than giving a single sentence answer for this question. Having solid midbass upfront is a must though.
HI ! Great channel, few people explain the art of SQ sound in Cars. I try slow to make my cardboard car to sound better. I see that you had an Aliante, I have the 12" LTD, and now i try to bring it in front in sealed box. I have pretty much space under the dash if i remove the glove box. about 30liters and i think it will be ok for 12". Do you think is a good ideea or let the 12"in the back and try to find something small 10" or 8" faster, tighter etc. I'm on a 3 way system wit Micro Precision Z for now. Thx
Hi Vlad. If you do upfront sub try to aim it downward or forward against the firewall, that can help to get better extension under 30Hz. Some people are fine without that, but i’m not, hence i have rear subs too. It also depends on what music you listen to and what your preference is. Where do you live? Do you have any link to your build?
Hi ! I'm from romania, and all the build is going in an shitty cardboard Dacia ( I don't know why i do not use my Ford Focus, bigger, stiffer nicer ). I listen all kind of music, a lot of coffee shop music :) I had a Morel Ultimo 12" and an Aliante and after a test, i liked Aliante because was faster and more melodic for my taste. Now on head unit i'm in Alpine 9835 after went true 9887 and pioneer p88, in future ai wan't to go to p90 pinoeer ( but to go to digital media optical out like your Fiio is a good option ) I have no more DSP for a moment, Had Audison Bit Ten D and had a lot of noise and after that PXA H701 same problem. Looking forward for a Gladen or Helix in the future. For midbass Micro Precision Z170.. it's so hard to mount them on my dashboard because is such a tinny dash and Thomas Hoffman dose not recommend sealed enclosure. On Tw is Micro P 5.28 until my 7 series will arrive. I had Alpine SPX F13m with Scanspeak TW and i love'd those tw and Micro Precision 7 series are same chassis with a lot of upgrades. I made a folder on dropbox with what i did until now. www.dropbox.com/sh/urpu861nb4ripsp/AADHEat7hLGYbWlv76QB5LKVa?dl=0
Nice kit selection! Don't do midbass on dash, unless you're ready for the involvement that comes with it. Watch this if you haven't seen this yet: ruclips.net/video/aIXxn1n5KeY/видео.html A DSP like the HELIX with a DAP is king. CDs are already the past, not worth investing in a CD player in my opinion.
Pssound i think i ve so all your videos :) the only problems are that the dash is very narrow. Can you recommand some mids to put near to the tw? I will try to make next week the subwoofer enclosure in front and see the results. Thank you
I watched all your videos can you make one for us who want to build sq system in convertible car with infinite baffle sub that will use trunk space. Can you share some advice on what to pay attention in convertible sq install. Thanks.
Convertible and IB is not something i’d do as the cabin itself is your box. Once you drop the roof you loose lots of output and then if you have trunk IB sub(s), then you’d need lots of cone area to compensate for that loss.
@@pssound9749 In my w208 clk there is sub behind rear seat that has no box but some kind of funnel that chanels sound into "cabin" and its not enough. Maybe to build passenger footwell sub enclosure or put some better sub in stock location, I also think in a way to install maybe two underseat active subs.
Hello, what portable player are you using? I assume it has an optical out, i am finding it difficult to find a reasonably priced portable player with optical out.
This system has been continuously changing in the last 3,5years. It’s not the case that I deliberately wanted a 4way front end, but it just happened by experimenting step by step. I’m gonna explain everything in the next videos! ;)
My question to you is, can you have too many speakers in a car and depending on where the sound/frequency is coming from a specific frequency/range is being cancelled out?
Allen Anthony If you have multiple speakers running in the same range, then it can be tricky, but in this case these speakers run in dedicated bandpassed range in an active setup.
Allen Anthony If you have multiple speakers running in the same range, then it can be tricky, but in this case these speakers run in dedicated bandpassed range in an active setup.
It must sound great, but the look is just as important as the sound and, let me tell you with a lot of respect, your car looks horribly messed up. Too many speakers
This car has been a project car, something in the make in the last 4,5years. Check out the other videos and it will make more sense! By the way, don’t judge by yours eyes, but your ears! You’d be well surprised! 👌
Sadly mine looks worse. I have a total of 4 pairs of speakers installed that I am not using. People who are not into sq think it looks impressive but to me it just looks stupid.
Downside is this is incredibly illegal in most countries (modifying impact areas for passengers) and stiffening a dashboard with fibreglass will mean incredibly bad injuries in a head on collision. I'm sure it sounds good but I hope you don't care about people in the passenger seat if you have a serious collision because you will be responsible both morally and legally for their signicantly increased injuries so you have better bass integration 👍 Plus honestly, despite your good workmanship, this does look pretty stupid having a huge bulge in your glovebox. I mean you could have just used the footwell at least.
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ive seen this car grow for a couple years and everytime i think its finished, something else even more crazy happens, the videos are well put together and i enjoy watching them so keep doing what you are doing peter because it is appreciated, as you can tell from the comments. im now starting to wonder if an 8'' would replace the factory sat nav ! lol
Following the principles of sound waves and how that energy passes through an elastic solid, liquid, or gas. He demonstrated that by saying that his rear sub would not go past a certain hz as it was due to his acoustics in his Honda, and varies other challenges. This is what I love about car audio! Taking what you know of sound theory and how it interacts with its environment and you can tailor it with software and bend it to your will using a digital equalizer. I'm no acoustician but I do appreciate the art since it's one of my most expensive hobbies I currently have.
Brett from Anchorage Alaska here appreciating all the hard work and knowledge your sharing with the world. I fucking love car audio, way more than most people. I have a few builds under my belt but the current one is a 2012 Malibu w/ a SQ-ish system going in. I will take all the info i can get. People here don't share as much, act like it's big secret in the USA.
I drive a Honda accord and have this EXACT SAME ISSUE!!! This video is great thank you!!!!
Thanks for making this one. Getting ready to do an install and this is great!
I am working on my first front sub build right now with an Image Dynamics 8. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. I learn something new with your videos new and old!
You’ll want to see the front sub box we built this week! I hope to share it next week! 💪🤘
Have been waiting for this video. Love your channel man. Keep the great content coming
Thanks Robby, I’m trying, slowly, but surely! :)
Funny thing happened for me to find your channel lol. I handed my phone to a baby and she randomly subscribed to your channel. So far i love the videos mate! Definitely gonna stay subscribed!
Haha, that’s brilliant! :D
Are you into car audio at all?
Yes i am, im in the process of doing my own sq system; very early stages though
Yeah there is usually a null somewhere from 50-80hz in the car. When you play from a speaker in the back its pronounced and unacceptable. Subs in the back do not sound good above this null either. You should handle down to that null with front speakers then swap to the sub in the back below it. Hard to do though depending on the output level you want. Just like you said the 6.5s are going to lose alot of volume potential because they need all their excursion headroom devoted to going low. 8s do alot better and if you can manage it a small sub in the front is perhaps the best solution.
Learned all this the hard way but I'm very happy with my setup now so it was worth it.
maxfmfdm l have exactly the same problem on my ram truck what’s you end up doing to solve the problem?
@@juanpestrada5231bdndjkdnI went with 2 8s in place of the 6.5s I had in front. It sacrifices some sq in the mid high but they have at least double the output of any 6.5 midbass in terms of bass. The ones I have are made by sb acoustics and they have very good excursion.
Another possible option is trying to move the sub. I understand if that isn't possible but the core issue really comes from just the shape of the cabin and how it makes sound waves cancel sometimes.
It really is rough. In home audio the sub usually needs to be placed ideally and processed because of the room reflections.
maxfmfdm what model of speakers do you install I’m going to have to tray that to see if helps
@@juanpestrada5231bdndjkdn SB23NRXS45-4
They give up some sq in the mid high and need tweeters that can go very low. They are off axis a bit much for the range I use them in. That is the tradeoff. And they do work really well to fill in the space right above the subbass. They also have exceptionally smooth lower mids that outclass almost everything I have heard making them REALLY stand out on certain songs. They scale gracefully at high volume as well. Which is awesome when a kick hits and the speaker handles it fine without increasing distortion to the other frequencies.
All in all I do miss the perfect high midrange I used to have. But the grass is always greener. And I am confident that I would miss these more.
maxfmfdm l have 3.5 speakers up on the dashboard l believe they can play 250,and tweeters on the sail pillars
Concert level SQ!!! Awesome!
That's beautiful
Looks sweet, bet it sounds awesome. A demo of that would be sweet! As an SPL guy I'm not usually into SQ setups, but that looks niiiice.
Check this video, where the 8” gets a bit more abuse! 😃
ruclips.net/video/GY_V4xJZSDQ/видео.html
I was going to ask you to do some videos explain your setup. For a lot of the people that don't understand sound quality and speaker placement and automobiles, it can be kind of overwhelming to try to figure out why someone would put a subwoofer in the glove box. I forget you and most of my friends are in car audio so a lot of things are assumed. Now I have a reference video to link other people to. And it's a great video narrated and explained by someone who can publicly speak and explain things very clearly.
You explained perfectly how and why things are done with a purpose. I know all of us will be looking forward to all of your videos. This is very inspiring as I start my build to do a video log as well as pictures. I know this takes a lot of time to do so I definitely appreciate you doing all of this for us!
Thanks Justin! 🙏
I would like to see more people share their experience this way, would be so great to learn from each other! I’d rather watch videos like this, than “stupid” Netflix! :D
Pssound
You know I totally agree!
I so want to keep the bridge between Bassheads and sound quality gurus sturdy and flowing with traffic of information between all of us. Believe me I've learned a lot about bass and wiring and box building that has even spilled over to smaller speakers.
As long as we keep the right attitude in that we're always learning and should always be listening as God gave us two ears and one mouth. Guess what we should be doing twice over the other?
LISTENING!
(Thank you Dad for leaving me with that one saying LOL.)
Peter thank you for being an inspiration to me during this time of recovery and pain. It is sure nice to have friends that share similar goals like this in car audio!
Thank you Peter
I love music and my wife loves it and mother in law and the kids, so we all have a great time when we go on long trips
Subs can be crossed over higher too in order to bring the subs closer to the front stage. Installed / Used an Aliante 15" woofer in AP / IB setup in a vehicle, it had a lot of musical output above 100-200HZ that provided a very snappy midbass and impactful presence to the vehicle front stage. Using a Pair of Morel 6.5 midwoofers and Waveguides only for the front stage, no rear speakers. It was very musical and loud on Drum Tracks the subwoofer wasn't too localized As it acted as an ambience driver too, with EQ it would have improved more, the low end was deep below 40hz - although the box for the Sub was only 3.5" deep which cancelled alot of 50-70HZ output, for an SQL vehicle 2 15" Aliente coupled with woofers in the rear deck for low-end IB would be a good SQL setup. IMO. Very Aggressive loud and very musical ' the epoxy type flat cone also created a surround ambience in the cabin too. Currently Running a pair of W7 IB crossed to 600HZ (With EQ adjusted for peaks and cancellations etc) helps improve the front stage response in cabin.
I wanted to add that your attention to detail is not unnoticed. You did not have to blend that sharp line off of the center dash into the bottom of the glove box and carry it over the sub and on to the other side of it.....but yes, you had to!
Excellent work and craftsmanship.
Only that took a day! 😃
@@pssound9749hello peter, if you moved the subwoofer from the trunk to the rear seats just behind the front seats, would the sub play higher to fill in the midbass null in the 60, 70, and 80 hz region to mitigate the reason to place a subwoofer in front of the front seats?
@@dc5001 yes, it would, but it would loose all the gain below 40Hz.
@pssound9749 but then you could use a separate sub in the trunk, or far rear for the deep lows right?.
@@dc5001 you always need a rear sub
Well cdtaudio makes a simple under seat subwoofers but can also do midbass duties, it's the min max 400 I took out the amp from it and now I've placed it in front of passenger feet and slightly under the glove compartment, it doesnt bother in any way, the speaker are two 5x8 and they are powered by two channels bridged and I use the amps crossover to get the desired frequency that works for me, plus I have a cdtaudio es- 6x9 which go down to 30 and up to 5, so I'm happy for a daily driver, the cdtaudio eo-02 wideband and the eo tweeters plus three way from cdt in the rear and a 12 sq directed compx subwoofer from 1992 which is actually the models from orion and cdt audio, looks like a helix pw12
To do the 4 way system. Did you adjust with the helix and where did you set each. Love your install. I’m glad I found you. 😊🏆🥇
Same with my car. Took me a while to realise rear sub doesn't integrate well above 50hz. I went with dual 6.5 midbass per door but doesn't play low enough so currently putting in some 8s
I have a toyota corolla with active focal kx3 set up front, with two jl audio 10w7's sealed in the trunk. Do you think adding another set/second set of midwoofers in the front doors would make a good difference?. The sub is set up to 80hz, the 6.5 takes over from 80hz to 500, the 3 inch goes from 500 to 6500, and the tweeter goes from 6500 up.
How did you set up your mid basson doors is it actually mid bass as in high pass at 50-125? Or did u mean midrange
I have two big 5 channel amps and I'm gonna need to change to smaller class d amps because I have a hybrid and I need more efficiency, I would love for you guys to give me a recommendation, I have 2 helix dark blue 5 channel, I'm thinking of two hertz hdpc 4 channel and 1 hdp1 which gives me plenty of headroom if I continue to use passive on some areas
How much money have you invested in your sound system why zappos on amy when could build your own in your garage thanks for vids
Is it alright to just run 1 (8”) sub up front, instead of 2? To fill in that gap between 50-70 hz.?
I have active 2 way in front. 6.5 in doors and tweets in sails. A single 12 “ sub in a sealed box. Which is
What about a miata are the acoustics different for small 2 seaters?
Great
I had the same issue facing my single 12 in a huge sealed box up.. facing rear at a certain distance helped . Now my issue is my midbass in my doors phase issues with either being able to play 50 herts punch vs 125 hz punch its 1 or the other switching hpf and lpf or full.. probly because there temporary kicker comp 8s idk
DirtySouthFlorida3 There’s not a single car without having issues like these! Working with these issues and trying to work around them to get the best out of the system is the true challenge of car audio! 💪🤘👌
I was actually thinking of using three 4 channel,if decide to just live single sub with 500 to 600 w. Rms, maybe I can try out some of those butt shakers, should be cool, what do you guys recommend
I love your videos you really explain things well and into a level of detail i can't find anywhere on other channels or forums. I was wondering, where can i listen to your demo cars, i really want to come to competitions and car audio scenes to listen and see what people have done and just generally get exposed to more varied types of builds, speakers etc. Can you guide me to events / shows to help get into this scene? Thank You!
Hi, Indeed, coming to competition rounds is useful, as you can listen to many different setups, so it's easy to get an idea about what is possible. The next one is at the end of this month. Check out Emmanet.uk page, you'll find all info there, i'll be there too. Where are you based?
Cool, i notice it's combined with the Japfest that weekend, i may just bring my 350z down. I'm based in Bradford Yorkshire, but often down in Reading / London area too, i'll have a another look at the EMMA calendar and see if there is an event further up my way at some point, if not, ill certainly try and make it next weekend, having checked with the wife and all that first haha
R4 will be at Santapod, but i won’t be there, i can’t do that round.
R5 is not announced yet.
R6 is at Silverstone.
Try to do R3, which will be the last time i have the 2 18”s in my car, worth a demo! 😃
Would I get any benefit from adding a front sub in my crew cab truck?
Out of my curiosity, I wonder how will ib perform in this scenario?
Nice vid. Did you mention the amplifier(s) being utilized in this setup?
Bchester6 I had Zapco Z Le amps for the front and Z series for the subs.
So you actually run 2 different subs? An 8" up front and something else in the rear? Do you run 2 different size subs? I always theorized that a 15 and an 8 would be a good mix, but it seems to be frowned upon when i look online.
How do I get upfront bass without moving the sub to the front. 2013 KIA optima.
Timmothy If you watched this video, it should be clear that it’s way more complex than giving a single sentence answer for this question.
Having solid midbass upfront is a must though.
The amps have to be small and at least close to 200 to 250 per. Channel, the hertz are excellent in 3 way, 250 x2 + 500
HI ! Great channel, few people explain the art of SQ sound in Cars. I try slow to make my cardboard car to sound better. I see that you had an Aliante, I have the 12" LTD, and now i try to bring it in front in sealed box. I have pretty much space under the dash if i remove the glove box. about 30liters and i think it will be ok for 12". Do you think is a good ideea or let the 12"in the back and try to find something small 10" or 8" faster, tighter etc. I'm on a 3 way system wit Micro Precision Z for now. Thx
Hi Vlad. If you do upfront sub try to aim it downward or forward against the firewall, that can help to get better extension under 30Hz. Some people are fine without that, but i’m not, hence i have rear subs too.
It also depends on what music you listen to and what your preference is.
Where do you live?
Do you have any link to your build?
Hi ! I'm from romania, and all the build is going in an shitty cardboard Dacia ( I don't know why i do not use my Ford Focus, bigger, stiffer nicer ). I listen all kind of music, a lot of coffee shop music :) I had a Morel Ultimo 12" and an Aliante and after a test, i liked Aliante because was faster and more melodic for my taste. Now on head unit i'm in Alpine 9835 after went true 9887 and pioneer p88, in future ai wan't to go to p90 pinoeer ( but to go to digital media optical out like your Fiio is a good option ) I have no more DSP for a moment, Had Audison Bit Ten D and had a lot of noise and after that PXA H701 same problem. Looking forward for a Gladen or Helix in the future.
For midbass Micro Precision Z170.. it's so hard to mount them on my dashboard because is such a tinny dash and Thomas Hoffman dose not recommend sealed enclosure. On Tw is Micro P 5.28 until my 7 series will arrive. I had Alpine SPX F13m with Scanspeak TW and i love'd those tw and Micro Precision 7 series are same chassis with a lot of upgrades.
I made a folder on dropbox with what i did until now.
www.dropbox.com/sh/urpu861nb4ripsp/AADHEat7hLGYbWlv76QB5LKVa?dl=0
Nice kit selection! Don't do midbass on dash, unless you're ready for the involvement that comes with it.
Watch this if you haven't seen this yet:
ruclips.net/video/aIXxn1n5KeY/видео.html
A DSP like the HELIX with a DAP is king. CDs are already the past, not worth investing in a CD player in my opinion.
Pssound i think i ve so all your videos :) the only problems are that the dash is very narrow. Can you recommand some mids to put near to the tw? I will try to make next week the subwoofer enclosure in front and see the results. Thank you
Where are you from man, England? You seem to have a German Accent but your wheel is on the wrong side
Haha, indeed, i live in UK, but have a German name and Hungarian family! 😃
I watched all your videos can you make one for us who want to build sq system in convertible car with infinite baffle sub that will use trunk space. Can you share some advice on what to pay attention in convertible sq install. Thanks.
Convertible and IB is not something i’d do as the cabin itself is your box.
Once you drop the roof you loose lots of output and then if you have trunk IB sub(s), then you’d need lots of cone area to compensate for that loss.
@@pssound9749 In my w208 clk there is sub behind rear seat that has no box but some kind of funnel that chanels sound into "cabin" and its not enough. Maybe to build passenger footwell sub enclosure or put some better sub in stock location, I also think in a way to install maybe two underseat active subs.
Hello, what portable player are you using? I assume it has an optical out, i am finding it difficult to find a reasonably priced portable player with optical out.
Fiio X7 with coax digital output, check out the other videos.
@@pssound9749 Yes i have watched your other videos, very interesting
Would a Focal P 20 FSE work well with respects to the same principle?
Hi, yes, that should work.
@@pssound9749 awesome and thank you for responding, big sub'd fan here!
Can u explain why you did a 4 way setup with the 3 way all above the dash?
This system has been continuously changing in the last 3,5years. It’s not the case that I deliberately wanted a 4way front end, but it just happened by experimenting step by step.
I’m gonna explain everything in the next videos! ;)
i would love do same set up in bmw in my mercedes glc 43amg
I see in one of your video you talk about reverse because cone are outside the box what do you mean about reversing?!! Maybe the polarity??
If i said that the sub was mounted reversed, then it was the case of having the magnet outside of the box i guess.
@@pssound9749 yes it was mounted reversed ? What about the polarity in this casse ? Classic connections or inverted?
My question to you is, can you have too many speakers in a car and depending on where the sound/frequency is coming from a specific frequency/range is being cancelled out?
Allen Anthony If you have multiple speakers running in the same range, then it can be tricky, but in this case these speakers run in dedicated bandpassed range in an active setup.
Allen Anthony If you have multiple speakers running in the same range, then it can be tricky, but in this case these speakers run in dedicated bandpassed range in an active setup.
Are those the AP nz3?
No. What you can see on the dash is:
- RAM1A
- RAM2Q
- RAM6.38
Do you have a build log? I want more photos about the subwoofer in the glove box. pleaseeeee
Haha, i can see you have found the links! 😉😃
Do you have now edited and add the links? Or i was a noob?
Those links have been in the description since the beginning! 😜
Noob! Thanks, if i will visit UK i want to listen the car :))
What is concert level in ~db ?
Lawrence V. Athill 100-110dB on the front-end.
Is it Audible Physics?
Udaya Jayaseelan Jayabal some of the speakers in this video are Audible Physics, yes!
And meant to say zappco on amps sorry for the type o
... Just when I thought it was already a lot of work to install a 3-way+sub on a car not made with it in mind.
It must sound great, but the look is just as important as the sound and, let me tell you with a lot of respect, your car looks horribly messed up. Too many speakers
This car has been a project car, something in the make in the last 4,5years. Check out the other videos and it will make more sense!
By the way, don’t judge by yours eyes, but your ears! You’d be well surprised! 👌
Sadly mine looks worse. I have a total of 4 pairs of speakers installed that I am not using. People who are not into sq think it looks impressive but to me it just looks stupid.
Honestly it doesn't even look half bad at all
Downside is this is incredibly illegal in most countries (modifying impact areas for passengers) and stiffening a dashboard with fibreglass will mean incredibly bad injuries in a head on collision.
I'm sure it sounds good but I hope you don't care about people in the passenger seat if you have a serious collision because you will be responsible both morally and legally for their signicantly increased injuries so you have better bass integration 👍
Plus honestly, despite your good workmanship, this does look pretty stupid having a huge bulge in your glovebox. I mean you could have just used the footwell at least.
Is it the very first “no compromise” sound quality competition system you’ve seen in your life?