The BEST JRPG Battle System? (Lost Odyssey)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Combat in Turn-based rpgs can often get a bad rep. But it's like any other aspect of Game Design. It can be done well, or poorly...
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Finally, someone that actually plays JRPG for the battle system, I don't feel alone anymore
im with u i play it for the story as well
Yep same here.
You too have been betrayed by FF XIII and later games from the said franchise.
Anyone here play the last remnant? It's hard but rewarding I don't like big overhead tactic but it is like that with small party's that you have some control over its worth a look at.
@@resid3nt3v1l I think I played the opening of it, and needed to stop because of life, and never picked it up back
Thanks for breaking the combat down, very detailed and informative. I wish the reviews for this game on youtube would at least mention a fraction of what you discussed here.
Glad you liked it! :) Thanks for watching~
Honestly just commenting to appease the algorithm.
Surely the youtube gods will be pleased.
All praise the algorithm!
@@showersmoker all curse the algorithm xD
Not gonna lie when you started rambling about enjoying turn based combat for the sake of it at the very start I thought this was gonna turn in another RAID: Shadow Legends ad... LOL
There's so much greatness to this game. Didn't even mention cast times/pushback.
Let me know what ya think~
I think that Final Fantasy 10, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Persona 5 are some of the best games ever made both gameplay and story.
I think this makes me *really really* want to play lost odyssey but it seems like getting able to run it will be a pain
As someone who doesn't enjoy turn base battle systems all that much its pretty enlightening to hear an opinion like this and I will most likely look at these types of battle systems differently, all in all nice video man.
I'm intrigued by some of the mechanics you highlighted in this video. The line system reminds me a bit of final fantasy 4, but on steroids. Speaking of FF, knowing that this game was developed by the creator of that series tells me it's in good hands!
While I'm STILL working my way through dragon quest 11s on the switch (yes, I know I'm slow!), I will definitely give this one a try!
It looks like it's on Xbox live
Overall really awesome content, the only thing I had to disagree with is Pokémon’s battle system being pretty brainless. Like if you’re talking about strictly the campaign it’s pretty straight forward, but the competitive scene for that games adds an entire layer that most single player jrpgs cant do, of course you still have the same core system with type advantages but it’s gets way more focused on predicting what the other player is going to do.
I also love turn-based games for their strategy and their story. I'm weird like that. I also find Action RPGs a bit harder since my reaction time isn't that great. I wish turn-based combat got more love than action RPGs. Merry non denominational holiday to you too, Emcee!
Thanks for introducing me to this wonderful game. I really hope that one day this channel gets the recognition it deserves. Keep up the good work Emcee
Thank you so much, yo! I'll keep it up~
I feel like this game got lost in time for the most part. I loved this game. Nice job btw!
Battle themes in JRPGs are extremely underrated in how vital they are. You are going to be hearing that tune for hours upon hours upon hours, it better be a banger, and Lost Odyssey with a god tier tune from Uematsu certainly delivers.
I feel like more JRPGs need involving combat mechanics like this; ones that reward you for putting thought and skill into your attacks. I absolutely love the ring mechanic, the ability to grow your skills and switch them out and even mortals having advantages that immortals don't. As much as I love JRPGs, it's always nice when touches like these make them more engaging. Though it can sometimes be frustrating (especially the stealth mission which thankfully is short.) I can safely say this is a worthy spiritual successor to Final Fantasy.
Yeah. This is a pseudo Final Fantasy game due to the involvement of Hironobu Sakaguchi and Noubu Uematsu. Didn't see that one coming, did ya?
Sorry I'm late to the party. Thanks for the video. I'm currently going through missed old JRPGs having been hooked on Final Fantasy games from about the age of 10 (starting with FF7 - and yes, the eventual transition away from turn based combat still saddens me). I recently stumbled across Blue Dragon and thoroughly enjoyed that. More recently, another one I'd never heard of called Earthlock, which despite its imperfections was good.
Take care turn-based gang! I'll give this one a go.
After playing SMT3, I don't think I can go back to Persona anymore. My eyes have been opened by the Press Turn System.
I feel you there. Like, Persona has a lot going for it for sure, but since I played SMT4 getting into the gameplay is a lot harder
Oh thank God. Your beard is still there!
Oh, and I'm really sad that Lost Odyssey is an X-Box 360 exclusive, cause the more you talk about it, the more I wanna play it. Can't wait for more from you, Prophit.
Its really not that good. The story is shit, even if it has a great first disc. The combat is way less deep than he makes out and boils down to relentless menu visiting to give all immortals everything. Its also a pretty easy game. The 'skill gate' bosses is actually one boss, the first one. They plopped an end game tier difficult boss 5 minutes in. No wonder people thought it was unfairly difficult. Its literally exactly as insanely hard as the Matador fight in Shin Megami Tensei III, but where the tutorial boss in that game was rather than 4 dungeons in.
It's on xbox one and they might be making a remake for series x
It's really amazing, if you have an xbox one it will work on that too
I miss both turn-based battles and pre-rendered backgrounds. I may be hopeless.
I love when you cover games like this, ones i've never heard of. It's cool discovering something new this way!
Gosh the enemy designs are phenomenal! You've got me really wanting to try this game someday.
You're underrated man.
keep being cool.
Great and hilarious content! JRPG need at heart. Screw casuals! 😂. Hard mods on classics and new games are the way to go! On FF13 rebalanced mod now. You’ve inspired me to come back to this game and finally beat it!
Btw this game is dirt cheap on the Xbone store for those who want to play it. I only got like 4 hours into it, and it’s already really deep simply with the dreams mechanic.
Came here to see if lost oddessy was for me. I missed it back in the day, and my friends all told me it was amazing but i was playing blue dragon and last remnant and completely was worn out by then. Just want you to know that your perspective has made me want to play it. Well done ❤
I'm glad! Hope you enjoy the game, it's a classic~
Best combat system in turn based rpgs?
Ok, SaGa frontier is my choice
Combos,Ability Sparks,Multiple races with different kinds of abilities and progression, a totally customizable System for characters builds and a complex enemy scalling system that makes even the "grindy" kind of players face trade-offs and think before fighting.
Man i tried getting into saga Frontier, but as someone who's a "grinder." I kinda had a hard and really mehhh time with it.
But for all my crybaby complaints it honselty was one of those jrpg's where the asethic of it-drew me in. Like even though I never finished it (cuss of how confusing it can be.) some of the tracks of Saga are really good especially t2G6 final boss theme (I think that's his name i believe.) Was really, really good. But i want to get into this game franchise but it just doesn't mesh with me.
@@orateusdijin6557 You can grind at all, the thing is: even when grinding theres things you will have to face that would make you feel challenged.
Which character did you pick for your first playtrought?
Lost odyssey was one I missed out on, I’ll have to check it out. To be honest I’m really picky when it comes to turn based combat. Action commands and the ability to move my characters/units to strategic points are my go-to’s.
I love this channel so much, Emcee. Your vids are always great. I've never gotten into JRPGs, but you've got me interested!
So... this vid appears in my recommendations... but not in my subscriptions... WTF, YT.
Honestly I abandoned the subs tab when they started putting channels that I wasn't subscribed to in there
I wish Lost Odyssey was on something other than Xbox systems.
Also, I love your work. I show your stuff to my friends since you're a big bearish nerd.
Same, same! It feels really shitty that this game has gotten a polished port after its release.
Personally, I really enjoy turn-based combat, and not just because I have terrible reflexes so I have a higher skill cap than in realtime games. With that and how realtime games tend to rely on training yourself to read situations correctly and apply the right option, I find that I can get a bit deeper into turn based RPGs, and it's easier to find fun strategies without having to test every single thing that seems vaguely interesting. It also helps that you can always check the efficiency of what you're thinking about inside the battle itself, which helps me learn how to do things.
Also, I noticed that Cyber Sleuth footage in there. I like that game.
Yeah I’m one of those weirdos too. Lol! What I’ve noticed about Lost Odyssey is it’s very slow and methodical. I don’t like FFXIII very much but I’m playing that as well, and I’ve noticed the battles are way more fluid in that than Lost Odyssey.
I just got done with Yakuza 7 and I guess you can say I’m feeling spoiled when playing LO. I wish we could speed it up a bit, the battles that is. The battles feel a bit like a chore in LO to me at least. I barely started it though. I just got to the Grand Staff camp. I didn’t think I was gonna make it! Lol! It felt like a struggle and I’ve been playing all sorts of RPG’s for years so I hear you brother. Awesome video man.
A little update I’m stuck at the snake energy absorbing boss. I’m level 18 just now what the heck am I doing wrong?
love your videos Emcee! even if I didn't watch them all (to avoid spoilers on a few games)... I hope you keep doing them and more importantly enjoy doing them!
I'm gonna just leave a like and sub as seeing someone who also loves long rpgs and the systems like my preference is a playthrough to get hang of it and enjoying the story then playing again to see what I can do with my new understanding. Early easy I'd put bluedragon as an easy medium I'd put resonance of fate and a hard super in depth I'd say the last remnant and I would recommend last remnant if you've never played it it's super fun as you get more and more into it
Blue Dragon in particular looks right up my alley, love the presentation from what I've seen! Thanks for subbing~ :D
@@EmceeProphIt thanks for the reply and I think you'll like bluedragon If you've never played it after watching a few other videos a few positives no random encounter enemies are on map and it keeps party semi balanced like your exp grind for levels is way diffrent than your sp grind for shadows witch unlock skills definitely switch it up here and there and level ones to work around your playstyle and stats change accordingly but not to overly drastically but enough to notice and feel also if you do start it I really recommend pressing A on all the objects you can it might not feel obvious at first but there's lots of hidden items and small sums of gold also "nothing" is a good thing to collect so don't get mad about them. But it's amazing and I'd answer any questions you have gameplay or mechanic wise have a wonderful day and thanks for all the content
"but what if you're a cocky little basterd." 2:21 Been trying to figure out what kind of rpg fan I am. It was so clean when I immediately realized thats what I am.
I subbed for the first 15 seconds alone
My love for RPGs isn't a cry for help. It's just me crying that it's hard to convince people that they're good.
The battle ring system is like a reverse legend of dragoon instead of pressing the button at the right time you hold it and LET GO at the right time
Yeah! More Lost Odyssey!
If I wasn't a boring adult with no time I would totally find this game and play it!
Damn, such a good video fam, made me wanna design some turn based battle systems :3
your words say it all when describing this game... "but.... i mean DAYumn..."
I think the best turn based games are ones where you can interact with the turn ordering mechanics. Being able to jump your own units up the order, push enemies down it, and save up and concentrate power into bursts. Octopath Traveller, Bravely Default, and Battletech are great examples.
You must like Grandia and ffx right?
@@Jrdotan I love Grandia, I like the battle mechanics of FFX (By which I mean I like Final Fantasy Tactics because that's what they're from) but I don't like the sphere grid or the characters or story.
Playing through Lost Odyssey was a hell of an experience - especially on the 360 which was starved for good RPGs. Thanks for covering this game in such depth :)
If you don't put out another video before then, Happy New Year dude.
Don't think I didn't catch that Tetris Attack music from Froggy's stage in the background at 12:58 Absolute banger.
Love you as always! Commenting for the algorithm :3
Definitely going to ask you to play test my games when/if I ever finish them haha
My dude, how familiar are you with the games made by Supergiant Games? Bastion, Transistor, Pyre, and now Hades in Early Access.
If you haven't- you are missing out bigtime. You should especially look at Pyre, which you now get for free if you buy Hades on Steam, until January 1st.
Pyre is.. ugh. It's so good, I swear you would love it.
happy non demonimational go into debt to buy gifts day Emcee!
This review makes me think about Gears Tactics. That was a lot of fun.
3:33 do I need to? I've already watched it twice, once even without adblock on.
Nice vid, I like the battle system in Child of Light
This makes me really, really want to dig out and refurbish my 360 and hunt this game down.
And I kind of want to see JRPGs make a resurgence with mechanics like this!
Play it ! It's really good, and there is a dlc too. Also, it's compatible with the xbox one.
Holy shit, I'm not alone.
I'm really picky with the majority of genres but my biggest problem with a lot of systems is feeling Basic, like I don't need to use Everything I have to win
So I end up being either incredibly bored early on.
Or I end up sucking a game's dick for hours. Such as the Etrian Odyssey games on top for me, some of my favorite RPGs ever made (every class feels specialized, lots of Party Build customization & any team of 5 classes can function, even the weirdest teams you can think of. And the difficulty, potency of ailments/binds/debuffs, all the skills that interplay, and at least in EO3 onwards almost never needing to grind, make that series one of my Go-To games. They spoil me)
& games like Digital Devil Saga behind those, with the interesting take on Buffs, press turns, ailments ain't as good but in normal fights can still be really useful, but a bit on the grindy side, with most party members feeling a bit same-y.
So I may end up really liking this game c:
Everything I've heard about it tells me this is more in line with what I want out of JRPGs
I do like the break down and the positives shared with it. Not entirely sure how much I agree with it in general, but that's more to do with me not playing this one and playing some others that seem to be the parallels in this vid
Love you man, keep being awesome
Love you emcee!! Keep doing to thang!!
There are still great playing rpgs with turn base battle systems. Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler and The Cruxis Sword are 2D rpgs with great battle systems.
Never really played a turn based combat game. Well maybe one final fantasy. Zodiac Age I think it was called. But never finished it. This game looks spectacular. The story and characters seem engrossing and full of life. Should I try this out?
Another video that makes me really sad that Lost Odyssey hasn't being ported on PC xD But speaking of Battle systems, like... I get it... People don't want to spend every single battle by mashing the attack button or spamming autocrossbow every battle. But I think there should be a balance between having engaging tactical encounters with normal mobs and just trash mobs that you kill because they are on the way. Especially on a game like this which has random encounters, if every single battle becomes a chore of tactics that takes 5 minutes to beat, or feels like it takes 5 minutes, than the pacing becomes a glacier and no matter how much fun it is to invent tactics to kill everyone easily, if it feels like you're not getting anything done, than it doesn't really matter, there needs to be a sort of balance, let the game have some easy encounters just from exp, teach the player as much fundamentals as possible about how the meta works and then put mind into having challenging formations and bosses in particular points of the story just to give it more importance
I love the gameplay in turn based games.... but I love being overleveled and basically just clicking through and grinding. I know I'm a bit busted lol
Tactics music still gets to me XD
the real ff12 for me. shadow hearts used a ring system and i think the team worked on this game
I loved this battle system when I first played this game but the story just failed to capture me. I wish I wasn't so put off by the pacing because these battles are fun
i still have this game so underrated but a classic great soundtrack battle system and characters especially jansen so hilarious my only gripe is that the story is cliche its obvious that gongora is the main villain because of the music that plays when u 1st see him
My love off turn based games why I play Card games and Competitive Pokémon. Because playing against humans is more engaging usually.
Thou I do like good self contained RPG every now and then. Since like say it’s semi relaxing while engaging. Instead of being tuned all the way in because your trying to win.
Engaging turn based combat with huge customization? I've never heard of this game but you've sold me.
...OK apparently it's an Xbox 360 exclusive. If only I had a way to actually play it. :(
It's backwards compatible with the xbox one, here's to Microsoft releasing it on PC
I'm kind of perplexed it was never released for PC
I want to play this game! I'm really into fire emblem, but the latest title Three Houses is graphically & polish wise looking miles below this game.
Also for turn based RPGs aside from Pokémon and FFX, Persona 5 is my favorites.
Love the video and all, but you mentioning Civ V made me relapse. 4 years of hard won sobriety down the drain...
...Also, mainly posting this to appease the Algorithm Gods.
Persona 1 eternally underrated
that battle theme "i mean damn"
"You can't just power though the game" You can't actually just break the game with Max level, because even at max level and the best skills, you will still need use your brain in some areas.
Because some enemys still can destroy your party in seconds if you don't plan carefully your moves
So I have this game but have yet to beat it. I've been thinking about going back but I also was interested in playing persona 5 royal.
Which one do you guys think I should play?
(Preferably played both)
Algorithm appeasement squad reporting!
...Also, I've been looking for an entryway to giving jrpgs a fair shake, and combat that's... Actually designed consciously, rather than by leaving an excel sheet open near an inquisitive cat does sound interesting.
As cool as this game's combat intricacies seem on paper, it also sounds like my worst nightmare in reality. I'd be swamped and overwhelmed and probably get completely stopped by the first "gatekeeper" boss. Me am the not smart enough for combat systems like this.
You probably are smart enough friendo. It's just about getting the effort/balance right. Much of that is down to the quality of the game I feel. Yet to play this one so can't comment yet. The colour palette (as trivial as that might sound) however, looks a bit dull.
I'm adding nothing to comments but just saying a generic "I liked the video" and its good to see one of my long time favorite creators upload something.
... NEW VID 👀👀👀
Turn based games are easier? They said? Have they heard about SMT:Nocturne?
Yup, Lost Odyssey and Final Fantasy XIII are the two games that really warmed me up to that flavor of challenging turn-based combat. Or maybe more accurately, they're the games that made me realize just how much more enjoyable they are when they do provide a challenge. As such, Lost Odyssey does indeed make me sexually excited, lol.
Can I just say though... the strategy guide for it is possibly one of the worst guides I've ever bought. I got it so I could clean up the optional achievements after I'd finished most of the game, and it was a terrible experience, purely because the guide can be so bad at times, lol.
I think one system that makes me enjoy a turn based system is unconventional spells and elements. Things that are more than "well it's weak to fire duh it's clearly the right play" and force strategy with unique abilities where there are choices to make not calculations.
Great. You completely sold me on a, from the looks of it, amazing game only for me to find out it doesn't have a PC port. Sadness. :(
this is kind of liek why i liked FFT before i got math skill or orlandeau
Love this game
love u
I wish I had the means of playing this game.
You look like Russel Crow's distant cousin Russel Ostrich
What's the name of the games in 3:51 and 4:00 ???
Magnificence.
I love turn-based. Just not when it's sudden and random.
What's the ost?
Turn based combat should be fun...because why the fuck else should it exist?
Is there a PC port of this game?
subbed for "f*cking casuals..." 😂
I remember watching this video and first learning about this game and it got me so hype. I knew I was gonna love this game. Then I found it was a 360 exclusive. Fuck my life. Who even makes a jrpg exclusive to Xbox anyway? That's just a death sentence.
you can play it on xone/series x
The game sold really well, despite that.
I just started this.
I saw the beginning of your other video, realized I could get this on my One X console, and booted it up.
It’s a lovely, crunchy, old-fashioned jrpg.
I don’t like jRPGs anything like as much as regular RPGs normally...
That said, the occasional, top-tier jRPG is a lovely treat. This one fits the bill.
I’m trying to say thanks.
Just got series x = lost odyssey. Unbelievable game ...wow
Turn base system is best system for RPG games
i was sexually excited
Lost Oddssey is not a hard game and is not that well designed. It has one really hard boss fight. The first one. The rest are painfully easy. The customization is tiny and the mechanics fall apart early on because you generally have a choice between everything or not everything. GC doesn't matter, you cant keep it breaking 4 turns into the fight and fighting a back row powerful enemy is counter productive. Ring buffs don't matter, there is always an obvious choice and you swap for enemies worth it. Skill inheritance doesn't matter you give every immortal everything. Stat balancing is pointless, everyone is outright dominant in their one style. You don't have team choice, you level up everyone then rely on immortals when you can because they are outright better.
And on easiness while shitting on Final Fantasy. FFX is slightly harder although more exploitable. The entire FFXIII trilogy are much harder.
It has some real strengths, like the dub is the literal best ever in JRPGs (outside the choice to use the Rugrats chick for the kids). The soundtrack is the *only* Nobou Uematsu soundtrack I think deserves notable praise. The story set up is unique even if it goes absolutely nowhere. Disc 1 short stories are incredibly well written.
Playing Persona 3 every time you mention bad game design, when ATLUS are probably some of the best designers at balance in the genre is insulting.
I want to comment something but maybe talking about IT makes IT think that this comment was made by a bot 🤔
Honestly I just haven't enjoyed a turn based game since playing FF 7 24 years ago! I don't necessarily think they suck, they're just not for me. The only games I think suck are battle royal types and MMOs in general. God I hate them! No genre has hurt the industry's creativity more than those imbicile magnets!!!
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