Piers Morgan vs Steven Crowder | The Full Interview
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by comedian, RUclipsr and host of 'Louder with Crowder' Steven Crowder for an unfiltered and uncut debate over the definition of free speech and whether controversial online figures who often cross the line into hate speech and/or defamation should be banned from social media platforms. They also debate the Constitution and what it means for freedom of speech, Piers allowing controversial guests who might espouse controversial views, Piers’ heated interview with Jeremy Corbyn and much more.
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Piers did lose this debate. In his defense it is very difficult to win a debate when you are factually wrong.
Steven loses by default by being a closet homosexual that dresses up as women more then most drag stars.
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I dont like Pierce and i do like crowder i find alex to be as mad as a hatter but i also like him. . Both had valid points . I walked away slightly on Pierce side in this one
@@kevinmcnamara4912 lol. What is there that Morgan says you agree with? The man is a more on
Steven “tell me how he deliberately lied”
Piers “he deliberately lied”
He caused immeasurable damage to families of victims of a mass shooting. We can't tell if he 'deliberately lied' because we are not in his mind.
@@TheKennyboy92 STUPID ANSWER!
@@TheKennyboy92 is zero an immeasurable amount?
@@TheKennyboy92 I bet you'd like to have access to peoples minds. Unfortunately that's coming sooner than later
@TheKennyboy92 but that's the point. Unless he knowingly lied Jones cannot be found guilty of defamation in the US because of the first amendment. The court found Jones guilty by default. This means the plaintiffs never had to prove his guilt to a jury. It also meant that in the proceedings to find damages that were held in front of a jury Jones was not allowed to raise any defence or mitigating circumstances, because the court had already found him guilty. So a jury never heard his side of the story or arguments that support his innocence. What he said was disgusting and in my opinion wrong but not illegal, and the court's rulings in the defamation suit against him were also disgusting and wrong, and should be overturned. Just look at the unprecedented damages awarded, they are designed to destroy Jones not to make amends. It was a political circus.
Watching a Brit and a Canadian having an intelligent conversation about the US Constitution is surprisingly entertaining.
Crowders Canadian?
@@No_name860Yep.
Crowder is not proud of being Canadian tho, he's more american than people from NY 😂
@@No_name860he has dual citizenship
@@No_name860actually he was born in Grosse Point Michigan, a suburb of Detroit.. but moved to Canada.. He’s a U.S. citizen as well as Canadian
He actually apologized before being accused of anything.
Piers Morgan could win an award for dancing around the question.
He should be in politics
They should have hired him for the White Dance tap dancing Nutcracker interpretation. Completely ridiculous that so much time and effort went after Alex Jones having a mind of his own instead of whatever failures of society that let the shooting in the first place. After Uvalde police stood down outside of the last school shooting when they could have saved lives, there is something seriously wrong that should already had been addressed. Instead resources were spent going after Alex questioning how these events get to go on.
Like phone hacking? He might not win an award, but he might end up in chokey
a bit like the Dancing Israelis?
Crowder is a coward who runs from debates. He ran from Sam Seder.
Piers using the court finding Alex guilty is great. Because the courts here in the UK just found Piers was aware of phone hacking. Now no matter what he says about not knowing, using his logic, he is lying because the court said otherwise.
Exactly that!
Yeah, I was thinking something similar: courts finding the person guilty doesn't mean all is true. Courts can be wrong and have been many times due to a wide variety of factors. So Piers' premise is flawed.
So you literally just proved that Alex should face his punishment bc you used an example of piers also being found guilty. What is you angle here??
@@Oregon727 what I mean is Piers saying Alex is guilty which is fine. But Piers categorically refutes he knew anything about phone hacking whilst he was in charge of a newspaper. That included many celebrities, royal family members and a dead girls phone. So he can say Alex is guilty all he likes- as long as he acknowledges his ‘guilt’ when it comes to phone hacking and doesn’t refute it anymore.
It's the Ignorance to authoritarian fallacy. With his own logic every black man that was accused of graping/cat calling white women back in the day and were "guilty" and deleted via rope must be guilty because they said so... Smh
The world's first mind reader. Congrats, Piers.
Alex lost the lawsuit hahahah
@@trapG0LD710Yea we know... What does that have to do with the OP's comment?
@@CakeProDuckShins I'm guessing because the OP seems to be implying that Piers couldn't know Alex Jones was guilty without being a mind reader? Which might be true, if Piers didn't know the outcome of the lawsuits or have common sense. But feel free to ask him yourself what he was talking about ;)
And OJ was acquitted of murder. What's your point?@@trapG0LD710
@@CakeProDuckShins I like stating facts unlike the crazies
“Ya think soccer is gay” 🤣🤣🤣 that’s genuinely funny
Piers needs to understand the difference between being guilty of something and being found liable for damages.
He cannot understand the difference between himself being stupid and believing he is not that
Not to mention, Alex Jones was not found guilty by a jury. It was a summary judgment in which the defense was not even permitted to speak. No evidence or testimony by the defense was ever presented. It will in all likelihood be overturned on appeal. It’s clear that Piers is so heavily biased against Alex Jones that he’s unwilling to accept any new information with regard to him, and obviously hasn’t done his homework.
@@gdiwolverinemale4th he's not stupid you jealous fool!
@@gdiwolverinemale4th Got an actual counter point or just angry bitter insults child?
Well he is from the UK where there isn’t any difference between the two. They found a guy guilty of a hate crime for having his girlfriend’s dog do a Nazi salute for f*ck sake. In the UK they’ve fined people for standing on the other side of the road from abortion clinics and silently praying in their head. There are no other countries that totally grasp the idea of free speech because they’ve never had it before and still wouldn’t to this day if not for the US putting it in our constitution. To this day there are still no other countries on this planet besides the US that do guarantee free speech.
I choked on air when homeboy said “be careful with that accent people might believe you” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Had me dying 😂
If what Alex said is so dangerous, why show it again on this show?
I wasn’t expecting such a constructive conversation. I wouldn’t even really call it a debate at parts. It felt more like an incredible exchange of points and perspectives and it overall made me incredibly happy that they both found a lot of common ground!
This is what the news should do, exchange ideas and perspectives, challenge their stance, don’t embarrass or shame the person.
The news understands that the GOTCHA moments bring in the viewers, but an incredible conversation like this here is just as good, if not better at bringing in listeners.
Did we watch the same thing?
were you high while watching?
@@gallofilm did you actually watch the entire interview?
@@Quinold watched the entire thing, you are just ignorant!
@@gallofilm Media censorship. They absolutely agree that censorship is detrimental to finding truth. They find common ground, and then build a conversation on it.
There’s a massive difference between lying about something, and being completely wrong about something.
Is the right to be completely wrong enshrined in the US constitution?
If he’s so incompetent that over a year after the sandy hook tragedy he still believes it’s fake he doesn’t deserve to be running his business.
Steven beat his wife
not if you are Piers.. Tell me how he deliberately lied.. And NO ONE of us REALLY KNOWS what happened.. BTW
Still no photos. Still no video. Still no actual real evidence of any kind except some people who claimed to have lost children, who were also seen laughing and joking moments before having to go on camera when they suddenly get back into character.
When Alex Jones said "In my view it's a hoax" shouldn't he legally be allowed to have that opinion?
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That’s what the American First Amendment is all about.
Of course
@@hitmantis2107 Saying "in my view" is not a constitutional protection from the consequences of making non-protected speech such as calumny statements.
Yes
Enjoyed it!
Crowder's method is superior; it's better to let people talk to defend or incriminate themselves.
We always gain in understanding when we listen, sometimes we hear truth, sometimes we hear a smoke-screen, but there is always an opportunity to learn something more.
"out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks".
God bless you all!
Piers must think no innocent person has ever been found guilty
Alex was not found "guilty". This was a civil lawsuit. Guilty and not guilty verdicts are only determined in a criminal trial. A civil trial only determines culpability based on preponderance of the evidence. Criminal trials must determine guilt beyond the shadow of a doubt. Piers should know that before declaring someone "guilty".
He also kept referring to him as having committed a crime, which he did not.
And he wasnt even found culpable based on the evidence. The judge kept asking for more discovery after producing it after the request she asked for different discoveries, and after asking for rime to produce the discovery, she ruled him culpable.
@@stevenpitcher5585Piers is a disingenuous clown...
Shady hk was bs
I like Alex but he f’ed up huge with his accusations and hurt a whole lot of innocent victims of a horrific slaughter of children, so ya , in my book he committed a crime. He was way too far out over his skis. That being said that doesn’t erase that he has been right about a lot of others things. No one is perfect. Accept your hero’s have shortcoming otherwise you’re just a cultist.
I do have to give Piers credit for uploading “interviews” where he routinely looks like a fool and embarrasses himself.
Agreed.
I agree and everybody should agree on this. I do not agree with him most of the time specially on the subject of Palestine, but I had already noticed this, he uploads all the interviews, even those where his interviewee batters him. You are right, it is to his credit.
something I wish I could tell about people in general...which I can't because very few are interested in improving their world views and I don't know anyone with such interest.
Ignorance is bliss 😂😂
That’s easy for him
10:05 is exactly where Steven officially wins the argument regarding Alex Jones
Good catch.
Ugh... 'Cause somebody had to win? Read a book for god's sake.
"While I may not agree with what you say sir, I will fight, to the death, for your right to say it." -Peter Griffin
Voltaire
The irony of Piers show being called “uncensored” but he’s totally fine with SOME people being censored.
That’s like every right wing idiot though. Always complaining about cancellation and censorship when it happens to them and the people they like, but if a leftist is censored (which happens all the time) they don’t give a shit. It’s almost like conservatives are full of shit.
How did he contradict himself on that tho? He even allowed the person who u claim he want censored to come on his show and speak. He just took issue with the fact that Elon Musk said he wouldn't unban Jones and then did
Censorship in a rational discussion is always a line in the sand. Absolutism is a stupid position to have, otherwise you're stuck defending horrific extreme crap like pxdos asking kids coming out of school if they want some lollies in the back of their panel van
Hey question "DO YOU CONDEM HAMAS 😅"
@@conservativeamber1216to be fair…we all condemn that evil Muslim cult
He wasn’t found guilty, it was a civil lawsuit. Jones was found liable before the trial started and wasn’t allowed to present evidence. The same thing happened to Rudy last week
He was subpoenaed for a bunch of info he neglected to turn over, that’s why he lost.
@@Brandon-ld2dnLast I checked, he turned over everything asked. Then the Court said it needed more like his online data that he couldn't himself give that was on Googles end. It was a BS subpoena made openly vague as to make it impossible to deliver. That still in other like cases doesn't give the court to default on him as there been most cases similar were such issue arised that the court didn't then immediately default as "guilty."
That is why many who watched it called it a Kangaroo Court.
@@Brandon-ld2dnwrong he did turn over everything. The judge just lied so she could rule him guilty all on her own.
they were out to get him. lets not beat around the bush and stop pretending @@Brandon-ld2dn
He was found liable because he did not participate in discovery. You can read what David Knight has said on the matter to get a non-MSM opinion from someone who's not a sycophant for AJ.
I like Alex Jones but he's been a bit dishonest about that trial.
What Piers is forgetting, is right now we have a kangaroo court system. A 2 billion dollar fine, is a joke. You can't get 2 billion out of a guy only with a few million. Only a Kangaroo court would do that, seeing how the bankruptcy laws will immediately discharge it.
So the whole court case was just a show
I think the one thing Steven should have pointed out is, the Alex Jones case was a civil matter, NOT a criminal matter.
Piers couldn’t prove Alex Jones knew he knew 🤣 🤣 he skipped that shiet quick 😂 good job Crowder!
He always just assumes what people are aware of, just like how he assumes that everyone knows hamas targeted innocent civilians.
Who cares. Alex knew. Otherwise you’d think Alex is out of his mind, but you clearly don’t. Can’t have it both ways. Either Alex Jones knows something we don’t, or he is flat out retarded.
The trial determined he knew. He was told repeatedly. And he continued to dox the parents, while they were grieving. What Alex Jones did is quite cruel.
@@eraldylli No he didn't.
@@squarecircle2347@andremojica8226 in the clips he played from alex’ show alex says it’s a fraud/ hoax and then at a later date says something like it took me a while/year to come around to the fact that sandy hook was a hoax. suggesting he didn’t believe it at first, but in the prior clip he said it like it was a fact.
Just be glad you don't live in a world where Piers Morgan makes the rules.
But the people that rule the world are like him unfortunately
He wouldn’t know how, he needs the government to tell him what to think, “he was found guilty” he hasn’t even thought past the judges decision, just takes it as fact and decided jones should be deplatformed.
Because I'd be in jail.
Better than the one we have
Did he ask Crowder if he condemns Hamas?
The key point I found was when Crowder pointed out that other people have claimed Piers to be responsible for violence. Piers is sitting exactly in the same position Jones was except Jones has a larger target on his head and had the apparatus leveraged against him. Piers is sitting atop survivorship bias claiming those that didn't survive were for some arbitrary reason that are incongruent with the laws of the nation.
Even though I don’t necessarily agree with Piers as much as Steven, this was a well constructed interview and I will probably start watching more of it. Civil discourse like this is more of what this world needs!
Piers morgan being annoyed that someone can express their opinions on social media, is hilarious. Especially with the name of his show
Indeed. But equally hilarious is Crowder calling anyone else bombastic.
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Hilarious, but not hypocritical.
@@vwtdi1579 Ummmmk 🥴
@@CMA418you can call someone bombastic and be bombastic. I don't think he ever claimed not to be lol
Crowder is on point with everything he said.
Very sharpe.
Including that soccer is gay.
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NOOOOO
And tbh his wife should have just taken an Uber
Big respect to Piers for reaching across the isle. I dont agree wity everything either of them say, but its so refreshing to watch ACTUAL conversations happen 🙌
I need a 3hr interview with these 2. I would listen to that 2-3 times
Did Piers just let someone speak for more than 10 seconds without interrupting them? I can’t believe my ears.
I was shocked as well. I suppose he’s never too old to learn.
When you talk like a barbarian, you get treated like a barbarian.
Whatever that means.
I mean, they're both far right morons, so it doesn't surprise me.
I like that piers had steven on after Steven called him out like that. Well done. This is real and fair dialogue.
It’s because boycott piers has been trending all week and he’s desperate to stay relevant
Morgan is still a creep either way
....and Piers was and is wrong as he only cares about his own self promotion!
Really?
I'll give that, and that's respectable whether I agree with him or not.
Defamation isn’t a “crime”, clearly Piers doesn’t understand the difference between criminal court & civil court 🤦🏻♀️
Solid debate. This is what we need more of in society. People having straightforward debate on social issues.
straightfoward? Piers is everything but that..
Piers is a snake
Piers was twisting everything 😂
I’m glad Alex is back it’s funny how your shows name is uncensored but you call for the censorship of people
a simple point...but a good one
If he had a conscious he'd understand and appreciate the hypocrisy. But as Bongino has suggested it isn't about hypocrisy it's about heirarchy. What a tool.
The right are free speech champions
until they hear an opinion that hurts their feelings...
then they call for cancellation.
The truth hurts but will set free all who heed and abide.
Sadly his mouth keeps writing checks which his arse cannot cash.
Not good point. Uncensored because he never cuts or edits the answers. It has nothing to do with not censoring defamation or other criminal speech.
Piers is 100% wrong about Alex Jones. He didn't lie. He didn't talk about it for an extended time. He was just wrong, he talked about it for 22 minutes, and then eventually realized he was wrong and apologized and never brought it up again.
Was he wrong though? Wolfgang Halbig had receipts.
Jones was correct to sight the vast amount of anomalies around SH ! Millions of people who researched it concluded it was a hoax!
@@Si_MondoRight! But anyone who questioned the vast amount of anomalies that surrounded the Official version were arrested!
Im shocked that piers agreed with him after he dropped that massive truth bomb about the plandemic
Let’s get truthful when we get louder. Freedom of speech is simple. I don’t grasp why people struggle understanding simple concepts.
Alex was NOT lying on purpose, Pierce! The first clip you played he says " in my opinion "
And later Pierce said Alex only apologized after he was sued and that's also not correct. Alex apologized multiple times well before the suit when he realized that theory was beyond pale and just not true.
@Saltydad2020 ironically, he was more right than he ever really thought. I know he's the type who felt the tides turning, and eventually coming his way. He apologized to stave it off. But what he SHOULD have done, was quadruple the F down on the stance.
Lying is only on purpose. If it's accidental, it's called being wrong
"In my view". I agree with you but if you quote him please do it correctly.
Yes he was, he lied to make money off of idiots that believe him.
That “you have to be careful with that accent people may take you seriously” joke was GOLD 😂😂
I agree 😂
That was good lol.
@dailydiversions 'people take you seriously' not may take you seriously.
@@Bertie22222 cool
"So that's it, you want to shame people into agreeing with you."🤣 ~Steven Crowder to Piers Morgan
Piers said that Alex was using the passings of children for profit and that was wrong, but I would like to point out that the parent of the event are still using the passings of their children for profit
I wonder how many time Piers has made false statements. People should sue him for knowingly lying.
defamation is not criminal, it is civil. How hard is that to understand....
I appreciate Piers for releasing this uncensored and allowing Steven to speak. All that said, I 100% agree with Steven and hope that Piers will continue on his journey from British conservative to actual conservative.
Piers is irish
Hopefully he'll stay in UK & shut tf up about OUR laws he doesnt respect or properly acknowledge
Allowing him to speak? He just filibusters
@@BosGaurus05no he isn’t. Not even remotely. We are not responsible for him - that’s all on England thank you…
@@SalemSphynxI can't disagree but I have to admit that Piers is bringing on great guests and his arrogance combined with his ignorance is shining a bright light on topics that have been controlled by the MSM
AJ being back on air is wonderful
It certainly gives me more memes to create.
More entertaining is just how wrong one man can be, but at least the memes are legendary. Maybe Jones has been a comedian the entire time and does it for the laughs?
@@StylesEste Meanwhile, there's literally an "Alex Jones was right again" meme... Dude's right about most shit. Did you actually try verifying yourself instead of just reading other people's opinion about him?
Does it strike you odd, that the same people who used to love him before, now hates him, and only because he is center-right leaning?
@@harry_burnsworth people are fickle
That was a very enjoyable interview. Even on their disagreements they kept a cool head. Crowder played defense a little harder than he needed to, but I can see why.
5:54 cannot say someone deliberately lied unless you can prove that they KNEW it was a lie when they said it. It’s a VERY fine line between lying and being wrong. Piers is making a huge leap here.
Yah it was funny how the video shows he literally believed it, thus the opposite of a lie.
Alex should sue him for defamation
Cnn and msnbc report lies knowingly but they just say they believed it
Yeah, except it's not a fine line at all. People are wrong about stuff all the time. Anyone who conflates "being incorrect" with "lying" is an idiot and doesn't know what words mean.
Yeah I think it's a simple case of envy. Piers is envious of Alex so as all insecure ppl do Piers attacked Alex about a subject most are sensitive too because Piers thought most everybody would take his side even though he blew it out of proportion like so many has done.
Piers big fan but you are wrong on this one - you said Jones was found “guilty” many times. That is wrong - it was a civil case which was found in favour of the plaintiff. There is no guilt here at all. The burden of proof is different and there is no offence.
Exactly
it was a kangaroo trial to begin with.
Alex Jones blatantly lied about Sandy Hook. He falsified evidence & knowing showed incomplete records to ‘prove his point”. There are STILL complete idiots online who sincerely believe that Sandy Hook was a “false flag event” because of Alex Jones!
Piers is fully aware of his disingenuous tactics. He knows that courts/jurys make wrong findings that are turned over in appeal all the time. His reliance on fallacy is transparent but he thinks most of his audience is too stupid to see through his prevarication.
You don't have to be a fan of Jones to criticize Morgan's willful obfuscation.
Boom. 🎉
A Canadian and a British arguing over America's constitution.
Just so we're clear, Piers has no idea if AJ intentionally lied. When Crowder tried to pin him on it, Piers dodged and ducked until Crowder had to give up on that line of inquiry.
It is impossible to know if AJ intentionally lied because that information only exists in AJ's head, and we do not have access to it. It is also possible that AJ was convinced this was the truth and that's why he said what he said. He has never admitted he lied on purpose, he has always maintained that he believed it was real, and later admitted he was wrong.
I think AJ is a clown, but to believe he lied on purpose is to be intellectually dishonest.
@devilmansanchez whether Jones lied is fundamental when discussing his defamation suit. The court found him guilty by default so the plaintiffs never had to prove his guilt to a jury. Some might say the default judgment was sought by the court on purpose because they knew proving Jones knowingly lied would be near impossible, and therefore an impartial jury would not find Jones guilty. The unprecedented damages awarded - designed in my opinion to destroy Jones rather than to make amends to the plaintiffs - point toward a biased court. In my opinion what Jones said was awful, however that doesn't make it illegal. I also believe how the court behaved was an affront to justice.
@@devilmansanchez It is impossible to know what was in his mind, but the admittance to being a performance artist means assuming he doesnt believe what hes saying is more supported than what you claim is intellectual dishonesty.
@@Chaelsonen your interpretation of a performance artist is incorrect...
AJ intentionally did lie in his defense
About the crisis actors he was telling partial truths but let insanity take over. One magazine (which I think was the INquirer, but I can't remember) actually did hire crisis actors to pretend to be parents for an interview and they were caught and AJ used that to claim the whole thing was a hoax.
A default judgement by a judge is not the same thing as being found guilty by a jury.
Protect the constitution
@@Brandon-xh9ofyou let the media put you in a rage that goes well beyond Alex Jones
@@Brandon-xh9of I say that because it's true. you put more trust in the media than some people who know you. Alex Jones was right about other major conspiracies and this might be another or a mistake. Why do you think he lied about it?
@@Brandon-xh9of I think you didn't tag me because you don't want to be the one who stops responding instead of giving a simple answer
@@Brandon-xh9of why not admit you don't have a reason to act like this?
Pierre, I would love to hear more debates between You and Steven, this was a fascinating exchange.
Imagine thinking its a flex to say soccer or football is homosexual
Respect Piers for having Steven on, and I think he's made great strides in the past few years, but he's very wrong on this issue. Steven laid it out better than I ever could have, but we shouldn't give anybody the power to silence another person. Ever.
I belive all mexican are trying to kill our woman and take our land (this type of mentality invites to action)
I belive you eat babies, maybe you're a pedo, it was hard to believe at first, but now I do belive it.........
Do you see how this type of commentary can lead to action?
@@laloponce7527No. Because I am an OG liberal and a free speech absolutist. I boycotted Disney for 10 years for censoring for China before the right figured it out. It is about consent, not equity.
Liberal and Libertarian begins with liber or Libre which is Freedom in Latin. Far right is anarchists.
So anything else just makes you a lefty fascist or thieving commie. It's all the same to an anarchist.
While no single individual should hold that power, people still need to be accountable for what they do. That's freedom. It isn't just doing whatever they fancy doing with no consequences, that would be anarchy. It's also being personally responsible for one's actions. Which so many people nowadays just refuse to do and instead act like children screaming censorship or dictatorship.
Piers, I did a fact check and Crowder only said "fraud" in the clip you played.
I love you
No, he wrote it on the website. The title is literally Piers is a freedom of speech hypocrite.
@@enriquepagan7876 You are making an assumption that Steven himself edits the website. He has a group of people for those processes.
He did say hypocrit
We got porn on Twitter!!! & Piers, is worried about Alex Jones?
The fact Crowder thinks Alex Jones legitimately believed those families were paid actors is insane.
I think they both have good points ! And they’re both correct when they say very few can own mistakes….it’s a critical component of healthy growth and adaptation. People are terrified to admit they were wrong or mislead. It’s easier to ruthlessly dig your feet in
The most respectful conversation I've seen Piers have in a while.
Crowder is a jedi master level charisma stat, despite how he's often portrayed.
He wasn't very polite with that terrorist supporter.
Like two chess players
fucking disgusting
I think Piers has actually come a long way. He is much more likable now. The main point where he came to my attention was his "long lens" comment to Ian Hislop on HIGNFY. I am pretty certain that was a bad move/ statement, even though it was kind of funny (in an obviously threatening "I am a evil journalist" kind of way). It was actually really funny, but it really does not make journalists look good at all.
You have to admit Crowder got him. Piers cant both be free speech + be upset Alex jones got platformed while having interviewed that same guy.
Nah, Crowder is a poser. Alex Jones made tons of money, telling people that the parents of slaughtered children where actors. Nothing heroic about that.
Piers saying if you say something outrageous he would ban you from X..
@@kinaction7040Crowder calling Corbyn antisemitic shows he's bonkers
So by that you'd agree with those universities that said calling for the genocide of Israeli's is free speech untill it's put into action
@@Noel-ji8nmcrowder does pop politics. Pretty much politically grooming kids and morons.
After we all saw how crowded treated his wife, I’m surprised he even has an audience at all anymore.. he has more patience and temperament with complete strangers who disagree with him on the street (change my mind segments) than he does with his own wife. Says a lot about his character.
Crowder’s opening monologue directly contradicted the points he started making about Jones. Either you’re a free speech guy or not.
Piers can't seem to process the idea that breaking speech laws once, and paying for it, doesn't mean that everything you say afterward is an eternal breaking of the same law.
He didn't break any "law" civil suits are a dime a dozen and trying to impose a 1 billion dollar fine just proves how ridiculous these judges are and how little credibility these kinds of 'kangaroo court' proceedings are
Jones never broke any speech laws or he’d have had criminal charges against him. Those were civil charges, which anyone and their dog can take you to court for.
Piers is a master of not letting anyone he's debating finish a sentence.
Hes horrible, i cant watch him at all but i like crowder so ima try to watch this.
WELL EXCEPT ALEX JONES IN THEIR FIRST INTERVIEW, JONES STEAM ROLLED HIM
He used to be that way, but I don't think he is anymore. I was actually just admiring how he basically let Crowder speak from 14:52 - 18:10
He can’t he would be cancelled
I was surprised this show he actually let Crowder speak, nice change for once.
It took a long time to hash out that Piers was talking about civil liability while Steven was mostly talking about criminal liability. It’s also very difficult to prove that someone “knowingly” lied about something/someone, and it’s not necessary to prove “knowingly” to prove civil defamation. I don’t know what the civil court found in the Alex Jones case because I haven’t cared enough to read those details.
Funny how I'm not a fan of either of these men, but I find I listen to them more now than I have in the past. They both seem to be able to adjust their view points, whether for the better or worse, I have no idea.
The “winner” here is Piers and Steven for having this conversation, and us for being able to see it. The “loser” is everyone who doesn’t want these conversations to happen in the first place.
Agreed
The winner was the one who brought the Truth forth. In this case, it just so happened to be steven..
Great observation!
Least Piers had the conversation unlike Ethan
@@ryanr4156 bad example dude, you are literally referencing one of Crowder's most embarrassing moments. Crowder is not a terrible guy, but he is not an Alt-Right radical. He is a homo theater kid who found a way to get the bag. Does he lean Right? Sure, but he's living a lie.
Piers has been wrong on so many issues that he's eaten his words on many occasions
Crowder is a joke
Soccer IS gay. Change my mind.
Hey ....... pssst ........ uh ...... in case u didn't know ...... we ALL SAY WRONG THINGS AT TIMES ...............WE'RE ~ALL FULL O' SHITE~!~
FACT~!~ Only difference is ............ some of us take some ~ex-laks ~ .........................~!~
So ? He is a show host and a journalist not a GOD. Of course he can be wrong on a lot of things what you do when you realize you are wrong is what counts. And as he said he usually does admit when he is or was wrong. Hats off for that
@@alwaysbraum "Pierce is really important in life" 😲🤔🤨😂🤕🤡😂
And that ladies and gentlemen is how a debate is supposed to look like
Then all politicians would be in violations of the first amendment according to piers.
I appreciate that Piers had Steven on the show. That being said, Piers is just plain *_WRONG._* AJ _believed_ he was right about Sandy Hook being fake. That means he _wasn't lying,_ he was just _wrong._ There's a difference, and you have to be _wanting_ to believe AJ was in the wrong to think that. Alex has _talked_ about how _he made a mistake,_ and then went on an _"apology tour,"_ as he himself put it. I don't get how any thinking, rational, sane person could possibly be incapable of understanding that.
Which leads me to believe that Piers is being disingenuous.
iirc, and to be fair I may not, the idea that AJ was lying was spread so far that it was hard to find a rock under which someone hadn't heard it. So I am not so upset that Piers didn't know that AJ believed what he was saying as much as his unwillingness to actually listen to the clip he had played on his own show that contradicted him.
His whole confident assertion that Alex was knowingly lying is "here's him making false statements." That's it. That proves that he was _either_ lying or mistaken.
Piers is not a man of very strong intellect.
@@Durzo1259 Piers is intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.
I’ve just commented this exact same thing but in different words lol. Thank feck I’m not the only one thinking this 😂
lol Alex jones defense was literally that he plays up to a role in his shows. Meaning “ he needs to talk shit because that’s the persona he plays “. To believe he did not know is a true defense, nobody knows. But in reality considering the level of stuff he said about sandy hook, it’s bullshit. Alex jones thought he was telling the truth, you can believe that but does that say about you?
The notion that Piers answers questions directly is hilarious. He never answers his guests questions and says ‘no, this is my show, you answer my questions’ ALL THE TIME.
Piers us lije a child that won't let you play with his toys unless you play just way 😮
Yes, Piers acts like a petulant child
Ya pierce is real careful when he answers any questions and it’s as plain as day when he doesn’t want to answer question he will reply “its my show.” But when he wants to answer a question he will dish it out like a rabid dog.
I generally like watching Crowder debates but all I seen was him back tracking on things he said and kept placating to Piers. Why did he get do offended when asked about David Duke ? Was he somehow implying that Piers though Steven would defend him ? I thought it was a valid question. I think even blatant admitted with his comment about free speech with exception of criminal stuff was going against his main argument of free speech being simple. It's really not. I can think of a lot of things I would want censored if I was running a social media company. What if it was videos of kids being killed ? Or what if on voting day a bunch of post went out saying local precincts were closed and it was fake ? Or what is its more Suttle, like during a war and are opposition is invading us and people are posting flags of our enemies. It can get weird fast 🏃♂️ 😅
Steven Crowder spits facts like no one else
We need the "Soccer is Gay" debate ASAP
I'm surprised Crowder didn't run away crying like he did from Sam Seder
You're getting verbally bodyslammed by Crowder! 😂🤣😂
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"I'm sorry, I had to spit out the words you tried to place in my mouth." Lmfao I think I freaking cracked a rib on that one.....
That was great...
The part where Crowder said, but you don’t allow contact in your football, was hilarious! What’s even funnier is how Mr. Morgan couldn’t even acknowledge how he was just mopped on that mini debate!
Would’ve been hilarious if there was any truth to it.
Man, Alex lives rent free in Piers's head 😅
The whole court proceedings against Alex was a shame. His guilt was decided long before he went to court. It all has to be overturn.
All I gotta say is that Steven rocked it ..respect to piers for having him on
Let us never forget that stephen crowders a spousel abuser
Totally agree
Here’s the thing about free speech. It sucks and it rocks at the same time. Take example someone going online and saying someone sexually assaulted them. They have every right to say it which sucks and ruins lives. But then it rocks being able to have opinions on things.
Defamation is an criminal crime. It’s actually not a crime at all that’s why you can’t go to jail for defamation because it’s not a misdemeanor of violation or a felony civil court doesn’t mean that you committed a crime so Pierce that destroys your whole argument.
Alex was found guilty B4 the trial, by the judge, Alex wasn't allowed to show any evidence in his defense, and was struck down for saying he was innocent, and the judge specifically said to the jury" this man has already found guilty by me, and this trial is only to find out the extent in which he is guilty and how much is to be paid"
Alex didn't participate in the pretrial so he was found guilty, that's how it works for EVERYBODY! Alex ain't special. If I sue you and you don't show up I will win. If you take a ticket to court and the police don't shoe up you will win. SIMPLE!
Agree
That trial was rigged from the beginning. The judge even said it.
Justice system is run by people with bias/agendas and can use their power for good or bad ...
" sorry I had to spit the words out, that you just try to place in my mouth." 🤣🤣🤣
Crowder and piers argue over whose magic circle is best.
If you are an American company and you run a free speech platform you have no right to censor or ban anyone from using it.
Piers: Alex deliberately lied and I have clips showing that he knew he was lying.
Also Piers: Proceeds to play clips that does not show at all that Alex was deliberately lying.
I heard he acknowledged he made a mistake and apologized but feel free to abuse me for commenting.
@@theobserver9849 you agreed with him by stating facts about Alex’s behaviour. Nothing to abuse you for :)
Piers was wrong about Jones being found guilty by a jury. AJ was actually defaulted by the judges so that a jury could never rule on the exculpatory evidence.
The thing is, it was already ruled in a court of law that he was knowingly lying, so it's not on Piers to prove that he was. At this point, anyone can say that Alex Jones was knowingly defaming those people and be inherently factually correct.
If you disagree with that, that's fine, but the burden of proof would only be on the person contesting the case ruling. Not the other way around.
@@gheebuttersnaps2011was the ruling that he knowingly lied, or just that he defamed someone? I think the burden is on you to prove your deformation of his character. My gut feeling is he had a very biased judge.
Either way, as Steven said, that doesn't take away your right to free speech
Morgan failed to prove Alex Jones deliberately lied. When Steven pressed him for proof, he showed some random videos of Alex Jones talking about Sandy Hook just to get his audience emotional.
Yes, exactly. Piers' whole position is based on the emotional intensity of his outrage, not on the objective facts.
Still Steven could have done a better job at making this distinction, he got caught up with Pierce ignoring the call for evidence, when instead could have pointed out that he was lying or mistaken, then ask Pierce to show that Alex didn't believe what he was saying. Alex is a lot of things, but someone who speaks without belief in what he is saying is not one of them
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences.
But he was sued for defamation not lying though right? By saying it was fake, he was defaming the families by calling them liars. Is that right? Cause you're allowed to lie legally, otherwise we wouldn't have any politicians.
"Alex Jones shouldn't lose his freedom of speech, he just shouldn't ever be allowed to speak in the public square again." -Piers Morgan
Please explain what the difference is between your two points because it seems your contradicting yourself.
@@oldspecviews Read again. He was quote paraphrasing Piers Morgan to show the contradiction.
@@oldspecviews That's the point.
@IrishUsa Big difference between those two points bud.
Have you ever been wrong in your life? Yes? Well, then I guess you should never be allowed to carry on again ay?
Ya i'm all for free speech tho lol
Crazy that pierce thinks guilty in a us courtroom is always 100% accurate
Not one courtroom but two and soon… 3. Appeal it then…and when he loses that appeal what then?
Or doesn't realize that trial was a sham. He wasn't even allowed to defend himself. Not a real trial
Oj was acquitted. Those cops that beat Rodney king was acquitted. Using Piers logic, anyone disagreeing with those verdicts should banned.
@@PapaVorPutin Because the course of justice has never been perverted, right? Yeah, right!
Piers🙏🏻🇬🇧
I don't understand why people have 1st Amendment debates about platforms like twitter. The 1st Amendment is a limitation on the government. THE GOVERNMENT can't infringe on free speech. There is no similar limitation placed on private citizens or companies. If you want to argue that people should should be able to say whatever they want without consequence that's fine but stop basing your argument on laws that don't apply.
Now I want to hear the "Why Football (Yes, Football)" is homosexual"-Debate 😂😂😂😂😂 I literally burst out laughing when Steven said that. Overall amazing debate though, respectful disagreement in some cases but in general agreement over free speech. We must protect it.
He wasn't "found" guilty it was a default verdict there is a HUGE difference. Piers is implying he was tried by a jury of his peers and that he actually had a chance to present his defense.
omg he was so guilty, this comment is psychotic.
@@mackswellgg if he was so guilty they could have just let the process play out..... How can you conclude that when you didn't hear all the evidence for and against him?
Lol you're clearly the psycho on here.
@@mrjesuschrist2u jones is AS INNOCENT as Epstein and OJ
As an attorney I love reading dumb post like this from someone who doesn’t know the law. It was a default judgment because of Jones repeatedly violating the courts rules of discovery. Jones was proven 100% liable for defamation because there was overwhelming evidence that he did it. Most of it from the contents of his cell phone that his attorney sent to the other side.
He’s also implying:
A) we live in a democracy, not a leftist oligarchy
B) there’s no extreme liberal bias in media, academia, police departments, courts, etc.
C) Alex Jones is not extremely targeted precisely because he has exposed so much truth
"I don't have to prove it" - Piers Morgan
I caught that as well yea
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Defamation is not a crime, it's a civil penalty. No beyond a reasonable doubt, afforded in criminal case.
after the footage of him emotionally abusing his 8 month pregnant wife, why would you entertain the bully. Even his ex employees hate him
Alex was not found guilty. He was pronounced guilty without considerations of the facts in the case, because the judge claimed that Alex did not deliver all requested documents. The clip that Piers played, did not say anything disparaging about the parents or that the children did not die. It just said that it was an inside job with actors. Maybe there are better clips where Alex did say something inappropriate, but that clip was not it.
Pleading guilt is being found guilty. Literally how courts work.
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 Poster can't be bothered with your FACTS
when his FEELINGS dictate his beliefs.
Hi @@ghostpiratelechuck2259 , Alex did not plead guilty. The judge pronounced him guilty without hearing the evidence :)
@@tombottle8041🙄Another Ben Shapiro wannabe
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259he didn’t plead guilty he was pronounced guilty via summary judgment but I’m sure you knew that.