Currently studying mechanical engineering and this is what our materials teacher taught us: always design everything with a couple extra nuts/bolts, so when management demands a production cost cut, you just remove them from the design
I always got a raise by giving my boss a two week notice. But I always have a job line up just in case things didn’t go according to plan. AND NEVER TELL THEM WERE YOUR GOING!!! I had one those service manager that would try and sabotage by call the other shop and bad mouth you.
Now a days if your good. With the shortage of techs around. They usually will try and keep you. Which means giving you more money. Seen it many times. Even to people that weren’t even that good just to have people in the shop.
Bottom line, working for other people makes them wealthy meaning one can only do better if you have your own business. When starting out work for bigger companies to gain experience then try it alone. Be patient and play the long game! If you want instant wealth take your chances on the lotto.
This is a great topic, Charles. I'm not in the auto industry, but I manage a team of software engineers and many of the points you make ring true. We have an annual performance review process, and I stress over and over to document tasks, trainings, etc. you've completed throughout the year. This helps me make a better argument for a raise to my boss. A point from personal experience - don't hide from the difficult tasks. Being someone that can be counted on for taking on the difficult tasks makes you more valuable.
Techs: listing all the reason why We should get a raise. Boss: be glad you even have a job. Techs: aight, we gonna head out. Shop went half empty. Now half of the techs are hourly just got out of school.
@HumbleMechanic Some? Lots of managers are this way now-a-days. The one VW dealer I worked at for 4 years i saw literally and with no exaggeration 13 guys leave, and 1 get fired. Only way I got a raise was playing chicken after watching all these guys leave with putting in my three weeks notice and said I was going back to my old shop with a raise. lol. Worked out in my favor. I know that this is very common in the new york area. Crazy stuff man.
@@joshuaespino8976 i worked at a shop for about a year before i went to school, in the 4 months i was at school i went back to the shop to find one person i knew who still worked there. advisors managers techs all gone. anyways i still work there i got a raise with coming back to...
18:18 my last negotiation when my boss sat back, so did I. He though I was comfortable where we were at pay wise. That made him more comfortable and threw him off when I countered again. I got a dollar an hour more just by reading the room and being comfortable talking with my boss in general. Both can be incredibly helpful.
Dang, where was this like 3 weeks ago? Just got a new store manager and during his 1st week, he had a 1 on 1 with everyone to see where we thought we stood in the shop, and how the shop stood as a whole. Asked what we thought was going well and what needed attention, etc. Would've been good to have some of these tips! 😂
I've done everything in this video. Multiple years. I always get the "make more hours". Been here 6 years and make the same as everyone coming out of high school.
i had a great boss , i never had to ask for a raise. sometimes he just came to me hey i added a little something on your rate. Best feeling ever ! After 5 years i was making 50 % more then when i started. Now that is motivation. Only sad thing is he was old , he son took over and i didn't like his son.
I been there.... I never said anything for 8yrs and then after them seeing my work, my reliability.... they always praised me but over 8yrs at $11 an hour.... after 8yrs or saying nothing I’m now making $21 n hour.... but I’m not a mechanic either 👀😬👌🙇
some companies just dont budge. i was at 12 for 6 years. leading a crew asked for more money. denied. i threatened to leave. they let me. went from 12 to 23 overnight. old company has asked me to come back multiple times. no thanks... not a car mechanic, but i fix things for a living.
Not saying anything for 11 years just to be humble is kinda sad. That sounds like a preference. Not a sure way to get a raise. Alot changes in 11 years.. prices and all. You kinda screwed yourself with that one
Can you do a video about the physical maintenance and challenges that a technician may endure during a career in the automotive industry? Like the notorious back injuries. Stuff about seeing a chiropractor if needed.
I used this video as a guide and got a raise. It helped me gain a lot of confidence when I did it. Now I make more than the guys next to me lol. I didn’t mention that as much as I wanted too. But during this discussion my boss also told me about two more pay increases that I can get and what I have to do to get them. Then afterwards we will talk about me going flat rate with the opportunity for more money that way too.
Nelson Piquet was getting one million a year in 1985(6?). When asked about this his boss, team owner Bernie Ecclestone, said "it's not what you're worth, it's what you can get."
Boss and I have been discussing a raise for a year. I’ve been at an FCA dealer for 13 years, level 3 master tech. 100% on 53 customer satisfaction surveys in the last quarter, Loyal, reliable, and have my own small customer base. Mostly company work trucks. Found a different FCA dealer willing to pay me $8 more per hour. Put my notice in and was told good luck with my journey. So sometimes your not appreciated and your boss is a dick.
Everyone _feels_ like they deserve more money, but you have the prove that you _deserve_ it. I feel like in deserve more money, but I have minimal manufacture training, so I dont yet deserve it.
Do you not deserve it or does the current system you live in tell you that you dont, because Ill tell you what, no billionaire deserves to be a billionaire. No destitute person deserves to be destitute. You can acknowledge a shitty systems workings without adopting that system internally.
The only way you will make money as a mechanic....change jobs. And remember, techs DONT need shops. Shops need techs and theres always tech to replace you. There is ZERO loyalty from shops to the techs. If you like where you are working, line up a new job, go in and ask for more money. If they refuse, go where the money is.
This is basically how I got every "raise" I have every had. I would also add, don't work for the same place for more than two years unless they are not only keeping up with inflation but, are exceeding it with a yearly pay raise. Of course being able to prove how I make the company money and sometimes more importantly don't cost them money either, helps a lot.
Where was this vid at when I started my career??? Ah, who am I kidding; I doubt I was mature enough to have listened and taken this advice to heart anyway at that time. There a lot of solid advice in this vid and a lot of which I think is universal to every "service" industry or any other field that you can track your work via "metrics". Yes, that evil word called "metrics", really plays an important part in how you can consistently get raises in today's modern HR controlled business landscape(and it was mentioned indirectly a lot in the vid). I also think there is a lot of bad, or questionable quality managers out there, who only know how to manage their employee's via metrics because they once heard this quote out of context and it's what they live by. “If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it". The other important skill in consistently getting raises is soft skills(aka, being able to interact effectively and harmoniously with other people) , which was also mentioned in this vid using multiple examples. Basically, it doesn't matter how good at your job you may be(or how much better than everyone else you think you are); if everyone including your manager doesn't like your general attitude or even worse, personally dislikes you, then you're not getting a raise. I am not saying you have to be every ones friend but, if you have a good attitude(both at a personal level and about your work) and you know how to get along with almost everyone at a "professional" level, then I think you have a lot better chances at getting that raise. I would also say that unless you really like where you are currently working and they have been consistently good about giving decent raises(raises that meet or exceed the annual inflation rate); then the best way to get a raise is to switch employers every two years or three years. Any shorter than that, and you will have problems getting a new job because no employer wants to hire someone they think will turn around and leave at the next opportunity. Thanks for the Vid, and keep up the great work!
First I would say it's important to know what people of your skill set snd position make before asking for a raise. If you're already at the top end of people in your area you're not going to have much bargaining room unless you're an incredible worker. I would say unless you work for a company that doesn't value their best employees in which case you might want to consider going somewhere else they will try to take care of you most of the time without you having to ask them, because if you are a valuable asset to them, they should already know you can easily go somewhere else and be successful. I also noticed the people that complain the most about what they make are the least deserving of a raise.
Number two on the don't list got me an instant $5 raise lol I still quit soon after because I was working swing shift and the only time I ever got to see my kids was during summer break 😅. Family is way more important than money. I turned down a $42 hr job because I'd rather be there for my kids.
Ive done everything you mentioned (all solid advise) and still got turned down. Some companies and or bosses are just flat out pricks. That's when you find the right time for your own situation to leave the ungrateful behind and move on
That sucks. They also may not have room in the budget. I should have mentioned that our salary is only part of compensation. Health care, SSI and other costs play into having an employee
Sometimes the best way to get a raise, is to find a new job. Of course, I strongly recommend getting that new job before quitting your current one because its much harder to get a job if you are already unemployed.
This was a well-presented video with suggestions that are universally relevant to the workplace at-large. Charles -- what do you think of a spin-off video showcasing some of your favorite webinars/certifications relevant to 1) Working with cars on the VW/Porsche/Audi platform; 2) Working on high performance and/or racing engines; 3) Fill-in-the-Blank...? Naturally you MUST link some of your relavent videos in your RUclips video Decription :)
I’m an “express” tech at my shop and man Covid sucks. The shop is still trying to recover from it so a raise is just not possible at the moment. Just frustrating because I’m the hardest working “express tech” in the shop but half the time I’m doing tech work (recalls, advanced services/repairs, etc.) and still getting paid express money for it. On top of that I’m a aviation maintenance school graduate and I’ve been an express tech for the past year. I’m so overqualified for what I’m doing and I still don’t get paid great.
sorry man but yeah im underpaid at my dealership too. Best bet if you want a raise asap is to bounce if you can find somewhere else, or just wait for business to pick up. But nearly every industry is hurting right now, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I had one marine mechanic job where I held many, many additional roles. I was the rigger, captain, mechanic, etc. I gave my two week notice, on a day where i quite literally kept a boat from sinking. The person who rented the boat ran her up on some rocks and damaged the keel. Told my boss that evening that I got an office job and was actually taking a dollar an hour pay cut because I wanted to go white collar (terrible decision BTW). My boss offered me $30 an hour, I declined. I was making $25/hr. He then offered $35 an hour. I still somehow declined. I still don’t make that much money, and that was 8 years ago! Sometimes going out and interviewing can pay off, but you need to be prepared to leave.
Just listen to euro class on how to get a raise I have 2 people in my family who are going through that right now I just hadn't both sit listen to it there are much better prepared excellent presentation and thank you very much
Unionize if the company is big enough. A collective willing to strike has more bargaining power than a single person. They certainly don't have the time or resources to loose a shop full of experienced mechanic's. You can't be fired for trying to start a union either and labor boards will eat up any incident about a company firing you with some bogus excuse when you were just recently trying to start a union. Key thing is do this on your own time. Don't organize on company time. I know union seems to be a bad word but they work and something every hard working American should be a part of. This is an especially important thing in southern states. Something I can go in depth in with my state, Louisiana. Businesses here when referencing oil, gas, and things of that nature are among the richest in the US. We have 5 of the 15 major ports. According to the information compiled by "together Louisiana" in a video I will link below We are #2 in the nation in crude oil refinement and 25% of the nation's refining capacity. We're #4 in natural gas. #3 in chemical production. We're the heart on the nation's pipeline system. The world price of natural gas is set in our very own Erath louisiana. I could go on about Louisianas abundance of wealth and resources like in the video below but I want to make it clear that dispite all of this we are among the poorest in the nation (and not because no one is asking for raises properly), the lowest in education, lowest income, and one of the highest in cancer, highest in medical expenses, and highest in insurance. Louisiana is full of businesses that abuse the lack of knowledge of their workers to work them harder for less. I can't tell you the amount of people I've talked to, known, and observed be literal backbones of a company. Being the main resource for shop knowledge, and being assets to the company saving them millions in a year and getting 10¢ raises at best, still being underpaid. Why is all this important? Because these places will not ever give the people of louisiana the raises they deserve no matter what is presented. They will respond to one thing and one thing only. Unionized workforces. Why? Because of how our laws are written, how they're taxed (or rather lack thereof), and the consistent push for businesses to have more power over their employees. Your video is great don't get me wrong but I felt this was another really important aspect that needed to be addressed that isn't something an individual can fix alone and requires a collective. Link to together Louisiana: m.ruclips.net/video/RWTic9btP38/видео.html
So pay someone else the money I would normally get for a union? FUCK THAT! Thats like shops pooling hours. The lazy make out, the workers lose. Clearly you know NOTHING about this.
Fresh outta tech school made 12$ an hour for tires and oil then within a year I am doing pretty much any work they have for me...no raise asked and had meetings consistently for months saying I'm doing high level jobs. Still no raise no benefits nothing for working during coronavirus nothing. Quit and the person replacing me made more and had NO experience or skills. BAD idea to go into automotive field
Hey charles i just wanted to thank you man you help me alot before i when to tech school and getting thought NADC ever sense my my first vw they stole my heart and thanks to some of your advice and knowledge i have a bay for pdi a hendrick vw thank you man that bay means the world to me thank you
Basically, when asking for a raise, prepare all material that would otherwise (in other careers) be used for a promotion, it's just you preparing it instead of an HR rep. HR also doesn't care what you "feel", only what can be seen in your employee review.
I have a very important question now. My daughters 2012 Tiguan has a P299 light at 67,000 miles. The waste gate is loose. I did all the checks you and others advised doing. I would like to know if you have ever used the $750 turbo I’ve seen on Amazon with the adjustable waste gate control arm. I’m sure it is a Chinese made turbo but from all the information I’ve found online the VW OEM is also made in a Chinese factory.
Can I ask a question, my AC stopped working in my 2012 MY13 Passat 125TDi Australian Spec. I've had it tested. No fault codes in HVAC. AC Compressor engages correctly but not producing specified pressure on low side of the system. Question 1. Should I just replace the compressor instead of the solenoid valve or should I replace the solenoid valve? Question 2. Where is the receiver/drier located? The service rep suggested it's under the dash? Question 3. Where is the filter located so I can check for debris once the AC is evacuated? Any help is appreciated. I understand that you can't see it for yourself and may not want to make suggestions based on the limited information.
@@iamtheoffenderofall truth. I hung up my tools for good years ago and my pay raise alone this year was the same amount I made for my entire last year of spinning wrenches.
I never really ask for a raise. Just ask to become a more higher position. Once I got my ase's I ask to become a Tech B(from mechanic) and then a Tech A( from tech b). That got me higher pay. The only thing that sucks. Any mechanic coming in now is making a $1 or 50¢ less then me then what i making now.
I feel you. That is why I left the industry and went on to do other things. I realized that the best and fastest way to get a raise was to quite the shop I was working at and get hired on somewhere else for more money.
Threaten to quit. I went from $10hr (working interview) to $15hr. To $17hr. Threaten to quit. Instantly $25 hr. Threaten to quit again $32hr. Eventually was at 70k salary. And I still quit! Working at shitty shops ain’t worth it.
It’s all how you word it. Don’t say “I’m going to quit if....” Just say you are going to go do something else. We have the opportunity to work with marijuana legally. Way better industry. You can always go back to mechanic.
my boss told me He would give a me a raise since December. we are in March and nothing.. I did all the webinar he told me to do and nothing. they lie.. they do not care.
But sometimes it can help to find a new job because in my old job I got 1.500€ a month and in my new I have 2.000€ with the same hours. And I work as a car mechanic. Greetings from Germany
You not supposed to know about how much a coworker makes is not a legit reason to fire you. There is no legal reason for you and you're coworker to not know about each others pay rate. If anything coworkers talking about each other's pay makes sure nobody is getting fucked over. The only person that benefits from you shutting up about your pay rates is the employer.
It’s simple. Don’t say, I would like a raise! You need to say, I need a raise! That’s telling them that you can’t make it on what their paying you now. And if they say no! That’s telling you that they don’t care enough about you to give you that raise. Time to look around! But, you have to expect that you need to start at the bottom, and work up!you can’t ask for that raise on week three! But this holds true for any tech. Regardless, how long you have been there. It’s always worked for me.
I dont fully agreed with the need. In the right place it works. But its also not an employers job to be sure you are living within your means. Its not the bosses fault you are spending money you don't have. Them telling you no, may mean that they don't care. but it can also mean what you are doing is not worth more money. OR there is no more money to pay you. LOL
Then it might be time to look for another job. Again, it depends on a lot of variables. You need to have done your time! Do you really deserve a raise? Etc.
Yeah, it happens all the time. Once, I couldn’t get the raise I requested, so, I went to another shop I knew. They agreed to hire me, with decent raises coming. Told the boss. He gave me a huge raise! And no overtime. Which was great, as I was a family man. But, this method can backfire too! He might say, bye! And you might not like the new job. Sometimes, you have to do some soul searching. Btw , loving retirement!
Charles, is it a good idea to write a letter and let your boss read reasons why you are asking for a raise on their time? Or should it be strictly face to face?
@Foam Farmer Also hugely lucrative if all are involved. It is not in my moral hand book but I worked in a Ford dealership where the cocaine sales far exceeded vehicle sales. Mechanics were not better. Sooo many 'paper' overhauls. You could always tell who was on one side or another. I drove a Dodge Royal Monaco. I know-nothing tech was driving a Corvette. I guess it depends on what drives a person.
@@HumbleMechanic i just feel like alot of shop already have an idea of what they can spend on techs and when you're a mid level guy and you take the next step up they can no longer afford you
True that. The best and fastest way to get a raise is to change jobs. Or you can stay at the shop you are at and struggle for 10 years only to see the new hire get paid $1.00 less than you.
Everyone that I work with was given a raise bcuz they threatened to quit. I have been at this shop for just over a year. I gave suttles hints (i.e. days I'm tired I said I slept like shit) when asked y I said "Bill's do you no anyone that's hiring around our hours or needs side work done. I need money I said that casually. Well at around 9 months I was told I'm worth way more then I'm making. What would make me happy. I said a million dollors. I wanted to leave what I'm worth to them and negotiate from there. Well I was given a considerable raise and I am very happy!. Long story short I agree make sure they no ur worth. I'm always the first there and the last to leave. I always have multiple projects going on n I'm not afraid to work outside!. I get all the jobs everyone cries about and refuses to do n when I'm asked I simply say "idc either way I'm here until 5" I love my job.
What if youre not flat rate but hourly yes i know get to flat rate but that means learning new skills and depending on where you are its hard to get the cross training especially in busy shops or mom and pop shops but getting a $.38 raise is a slap in the face so no they dont hear about how i feel but you bet my ass isnt going to give a 110% effort ill give them 100% then they ask hey we noticed youre not being yourself and what should i say the truth or feed them BS i tend to feed them BS i know they dont care
It should not have to be such a difficult task to get a raise if you are experienced and you are doing well in the company is making money they should automatically compensate you for your efforts if they are not recognizing this and requiring you to beg for the raise, the company is not worth working for be straightforward your time is valuable if they don't value your time and efforts that company is wasting your time
I got a pay raise when I was a mechanic by quitting my job, hanging up my tools, and finding another field of work. Now I'm making 8 times what I ever could if I was still spinning wrenches and busting tires. Other than that, your advice is spot-on. The problem is that you can do all of the things you said in a different line of work and instead of getting a $0.15 raise, you can get a $15,000 raise.
@@iamtheoffenderofall I'd never agree to a company saying I can't work two jobs (or do my own side work), but unless you read carefully, a non-compete can be worded to include side work. It's shady shit, but it happens. Not saying I condone it in any way.
Experience says that you will make more money switching jobs every couple years then staying with most employers. Your advice may have worked a lot better back in the good ol days but now a days you just need to job hop until you find someone who pays you what you're worth in the first place. You shouldn't have to ask for a raise when you deserve one, the employer should give it to you.
I gotta be honest... Mechanics have been so commoditized and not in a good way. All that matters in the corporate market is you can replace parts efficiently. If you get the diag wrong, the service manager will just lie to the customer and bill the customer for more parts. Unless you work for a great business, get your experience and then get out on your own. Look at Brian's Mobile 1. Dude has been working out of his own garage for years and at the end of the month, probably has more money than 95% of shop owners from his repair business.
Don’t ask for a raise in the first place, show, through your performance on the job that you are worth more, if the boss does not recognize or see that you are a great employee, your boss is an arsehole and you should just find a better paying job and leave. Aside from my first job I. Aviation I have never needed to ask for a raise and never since then had to apply for a job, the pay raises and new job opportunities have been given and offered to me simply because of my reputation.
I dont like this idea that _we dont understand the hidden costs_ is used as if the truth isnt just that, like is said multiple times, they dont give a shit about you, no matter how nice your boss seems, and they will take all the profit for themselves.
You dont have to like the idea but there are so many techs that think they know. They don’t know. The info is out ther and you can find it. But many techs are clueless about the true cost of running a shop
Ok, I have to say, he's shooting some VERY low numbers given the expertise for hourly rate. What is the average for hourly rate for techs? As honestly, if it's below $20, I'm absolutely shocked. Gig apps offer that with NO training. (Talking GrubHub, DoorDash, InstaCart, Uber, Postmates, etc.) So if the average is $20 or below, why on earth do mechanics exist? Seriously. You have to actually train for your profession, pay for your own tools, etc. AND STILL get paid less then people who just drive around all day. That's a HUGE kick in the teeth. Especially considering I know how much a pain in the ass a car can be, because I do those gigs AND do my own car maintenance to keep my costs down. So if my fat ass can drive from point A to B and make $20 an hour. Mechanics should be making AT MINIMUM $30 an hour.
As I mentioned in the video the numbers are an example. There are infinite variables for pay. If I said “you shouldn’t take less than $40” that’s irresponsible. Unless you’re in the Bay Area or something.
There won't be many raises & they won't keep up with inflation anyway. The federal reserve will make sure of that. Welcome to the great depression, maybe buy some ammo, canned goods, & gold when the markets are back below 20,000.
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Currently studying mechanical engineering and this is what our materials teacher taught us: always design everything with a couple extra nuts/bolts, so when management demands a production cost cut, you just remove them from the design
I love that! I deploy similar tactics. Can say where but I love the advice :)
So that's where those spare bits come from!! They're part of the original design!!
I always got a raise by giving my boss a two week notice. But I always have a job line up just in case things didn’t go according to plan. AND NEVER TELL THEM WERE YOUR GOING!!! I had one those service manager that would try and sabotage by call the other shop and bad mouth you.
Threaten to quit, works every time
It depends lol. I've worked with guys before that threatened to quit and my boss said "ok when's your last day?" 😂
Yup - works at getting you fired 100%.
Now a days if your good. With the shortage of techs around. They usually will try and keep you. Which means giving you more money. Seen it many times. Even to people that weren’t even that good just to have people in the shop.
Justin Hayward very true
Or have your own shop and give yourself a raise like me lol :D
Bottom line, working for other people makes them wealthy meaning one can only do better if you have your own business. When starting out work for bigger companies to gain experience then try it alone. Be patient and play the long game! If you want instant wealth take your chances on the lotto.
Yes yes
And if all those don't work, grow a beard and start your own RUclips channel! Lol
Great video, Charles!
This is a great topic, Charles. I'm not in the auto industry, but I manage a team of software engineers and many of the points you make ring true. We have an annual performance review process, and I stress over and over to document tasks, trainings, etc. you've completed throughout the year. This helps me make a better argument for a raise to my boss. A point from personal experience - don't hide from the difficult tasks. Being someone that can be counted on for taking on the difficult tasks makes you more valuable.
Techs: listing all the reason why We should get a raise.
Boss: be glad you even have a job.
Techs: aight, we gonna head out.
Shop went half empty.
Now half of the techs are hourly just got out of school.
Some managers are idiots
@HumbleMechanic Some? Lots of managers are this way now-a-days. The one VW dealer I worked at for 4 years i saw literally and with no exaggeration 13 guys leave, and 1 get fired. Only way I got a raise was playing chicken after watching all these guys leave with putting in my three weeks notice and said I was going back to my old shop with a raise. lol. Worked out in my favor. I know that this is very common in the new york area. Crazy stuff man.
Damn!!!
@@joshuaespino8976 i worked at a shop for about a year before i went to school, in the 4 months i was at school i went back to the shop to find one person i knew who still worked there. advisors managers techs all gone. anyways i still work there i got a raise with coming back to...
18:18 my last negotiation when my boss sat back, so did I. He though I was comfortable where we were at pay wise. That made him more comfortable and threw him off when I countered again. I got a dollar an hour more just by reading the room and being comfortable talking with my boss in general. Both can be incredibly helpful.
Dang, where was this like 3 weeks ago? Just got a new store manager and during his 1st week, he had a 1 on 1 with everyone to see where we thought we stood in the shop, and how the shop stood as a whole. Asked what we thought was going well and what needed attention, etc. Would've been good to have some of these tips! 😂
I've done everything in this video. Multiple years. I always get the "make more hours". Been here 6 years and make the same as everyone coming out of high school.
Yuck. Maybe time to move on?
i had a great boss , i never had to ask for a raise. sometimes he just came to me hey i added a little something on your rate. Best feeling ever ! After 5 years i was making 50 % more then when i started. Now that is motivation.
Only sad thing is he was old , he son took over and i didn't like his son.
I been there.... I never said anything for 8yrs and then after them seeing my work, my reliability.... they always praised me but over 8yrs at $11 an hour.... after 8yrs or saying nothing I’m now making $21 n hour.... but I’m not a mechanic either 👀😬👌🙇
some companies just dont budge. i was at 12 for 6 years. leading a crew asked for more money. denied. i threatened to leave. they let me. went from 12 to 23 overnight. old company has asked me to come back multiple times. no thanks... not a car mechanic, but i fix things for a living.
I wouldn't get out of bed for 12 bucks an hour. Good on you for sticking it out for a massive raise.
Not saying anything for 11 years just to be humble is kinda sad. That sounds like a preference. Not a sure way to get a raise. Alot changes in 11 years.. prices and all. You kinda screwed yourself with that one
Can you do a video about the physical maintenance and challenges that a technician may endure during a career in the automotive industry? Like the notorious back injuries. Stuff about seeing a chiropractor if needed.
I used this video as a guide and got a raise. It helped me gain a lot of confidence when I did it. Now I make more than the guys next to me lol. I didn’t mention that as much as I wanted too. But during this discussion my boss also told me about two more pay increases that I can get and what I have to do to get them. Then afterwards we will talk about me going flat rate with the opportunity for more money that way too.
Nelson Piquet was getting one million a year in 1985(6?). When asked about this his boss, team owner Bernie Ecclestone, said "it's not what you're worth, it's what you can get."
Just today asked about a raise and got about 15% up 😁😁
Boss and I have been discussing a raise for a year. I’ve been at an FCA dealer for 13 years, level 3 master tech. 100% on 53 customer satisfaction surveys in the last quarter, Loyal, reliable, and have my own small customer base. Mostly company work trucks. Found a different FCA dealer willing to pay me $8 more per hour. Put my notice in and was told good luck with my journey. So sometimes your not appreciated and your boss is a dick.
Everyone _feels_ like they deserve more money, but you have the prove that you _deserve_ it.
I feel like in deserve more money, but I have minimal manufacture training, so I dont yet deserve it.
Do you not deserve it or does the current system you live in tell you that you dont, because Ill tell you what, no billionaire deserves to be a billionaire. No destitute person deserves to be destitute.
You can acknowledge a shitty systems workings without adopting that system internally.
This is great advice for any occupation, not just being a mechanic.
The only way you will make money as a mechanic....change jobs. And remember, techs DONT need shops. Shops need techs and theres always tech to replace you. There is ZERO loyalty from shops to the techs.
If you like where you are working, line up a new job, go in and ask for more money. If they refuse, go where the money is.
This is basically how I got every "raise" I have every had. I would also add, don't work for the same place for more than two years unless they are not only keeping up with inflation but, are exceeding it with a yearly pay raise. Of course being able to prove how I make the company money and sometimes more importantly don't cost them money either, helps a lot.
Where was this vid at when I started my career??? Ah, who am I kidding; I doubt I was mature enough to have listened and taken this advice to heart anyway at that time.
There a lot of solid advice in this vid and a lot of which I think is universal to every "service" industry or any other field that you can track your work via "metrics". Yes, that evil word called "metrics", really plays an important part in how you can consistently get raises in today's modern HR controlled business landscape(and it was mentioned indirectly a lot in the vid). I also think there is a lot of bad, or questionable quality managers out there, who only know how to manage their employee's via metrics because they once heard this quote out of context and it's what they live by. “If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it".
The other important skill in consistently getting raises is soft skills(aka, being able to interact effectively and harmoniously with other people) , which was also mentioned in this vid using multiple examples. Basically, it doesn't matter how good at your job you may be(or how much better than everyone else you think you are); if everyone including your manager doesn't like your general attitude or even worse, personally dislikes you, then you're not getting a raise. I am not saying you have to be every ones friend but, if you have a good attitude(both at a personal level and about your work) and you know how to get along with almost everyone at a "professional" level, then I think you have a lot better chances at getting that raise.
I would also say that unless you really like where you are currently working and they have been consistently good about giving decent raises(raises that meet or exceed the annual inflation rate); then the best way to get a raise is to switch employers every two years or three years. Any shorter than that, and you will have problems getting a new job because no employer wants to hire someone they think will turn around and leave at the next opportunity.
Thanks for the Vid, and keep up the great work!
Super solid advice, and not just for auto techs. And thanks, because you've put a real bug in my ear about asking for a raise myself.
First I would say it's important to know what people of your skill set snd position make before asking for a raise. If you're already at the top end of people in your area you're not going to have much bargaining room unless you're an incredible worker.
I would say unless you work for a company that doesn't value their best employees in which case you might want to consider going somewhere else they will try to take care of you most of the time without you having to ask them, because if you are a valuable asset to them, they should already know you can easily go somewhere else and be successful.
I also noticed the people that complain the most about what they make are the least deserving of a raise.
Number two on the don't list got me an instant $5 raise lol I still quit soon after because I was working swing shift and the only time I ever got to see my kids was during summer break 😅. Family is way more important than money. I turned down a $42 hr job because I'd rather be there for my kids.
Ive done everything you mentioned (all solid advise) and still got turned down. Some companies and or bosses are just flat out pricks. That's when you find the right time for your own situation to leave the ungrateful behind and move on
That sucks. They also may not have room in the budget. I should have mentioned that our salary is only part of compensation. Health care, SSI and other costs play into having an employee
Sometimes the best way to get a raise, is to find a new job. Of course, I strongly recommend getting that new job before quitting your current one because its much harder to get a job if you are already unemployed.
This was a well-presented video with suggestions that are universally relevant to the workplace at-large.
Charles -- what do you think of a spin-off video showcasing some of your favorite webinars/certifications relevant to 1) Working with cars on the VW/Porsche/Audi platform; 2) Working on high performance and/or racing engines; 3) Fill-in-the-Blank...?
Naturally you MUST link some of your relavent videos in your RUclips video Decription :)
I’m an “express” tech at my shop and man Covid sucks. The shop is still trying to recover from it so a raise is just not possible at the moment. Just frustrating because I’m the hardest working “express tech” in the shop but half the time I’m doing tech work (recalls, advanced services/repairs, etc.) and still getting paid express money for it. On top of that I’m a aviation maintenance school graduate and I’ve been an express tech for the past year. I’m so overqualified for what I’m doing and I still don’t get paid great.
sorry man but yeah im underpaid at my dealership too. Best bet if you want a raise asap is to bounce if you can find somewhere else, or just wait for business to pick up. But nearly every industry is hurting right now, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Great video, good good points, as you say put feelings aside and work with the facts. Thank you again for another lovely vid.
I had one marine mechanic job where I held many, many additional roles. I was the rigger, captain, mechanic, etc. I gave my two week notice, on a day where i quite literally kept a boat from sinking. The person who rented the boat ran her up on some rocks and damaged the keel. Told my boss that evening that I got an office job and was actually taking a dollar an hour pay cut because I wanted to go white collar (terrible decision BTW). My boss offered me $30 an hour, I declined. I was making $25/hr. He then offered $35 an hour. I still somehow declined. I still don’t make that much money, and that was 8 years ago!
Sometimes going out and interviewing can pay off, but you need to be prepared to leave.
Just listen to euro class on how to get a raise I have 2 people in my family who are going through that right now I just hadn't both sit listen to it there are much better prepared excellent presentation and thank you very much
Super solid advice. I really "feel" like you didn't miss anything on this one, but I haven't scrolled through the comments yet🤭
Hahaha
Unionize if the company is big enough. A collective willing to strike has more bargaining power than a single person. They certainly don't have the time or resources to loose a shop full of experienced mechanic's. You can't be fired for trying to start a union either and labor boards will eat up any incident about a company firing you with some bogus excuse when you were just recently trying to start a union. Key thing is do this on your own time. Don't organize on company time. I know union seems to be a bad word but they work and something every hard working American should be a part of.
This is an especially important thing in southern states. Something I can go in depth in with my state, Louisiana. Businesses here when referencing oil, gas, and things of that nature are among the richest in the US. We have 5 of the 15 major ports. According to the information compiled by "together Louisiana" in a video I will link below We are #2 in the nation in crude oil refinement and 25% of the nation's refining capacity. We're #4 in natural gas. #3 in chemical production. We're the heart on the nation's pipeline system. The world price of natural gas is set in our very own Erath louisiana. I could go on about Louisianas abundance of wealth and resources like in the video below but I want to make it clear that dispite all of this we are among the poorest in the nation (and not because no one is asking for raises properly), the lowest in education, lowest income, and one of the highest in cancer, highest in medical expenses, and highest in insurance. Louisiana is full of businesses that abuse the lack of knowledge of their workers to work them harder for less. I can't tell you the amount of people I've talked to, known, and observed be literal backbones of a company. Being the main resource for shop knowledge, and being assets to the company saving them millions in a year and getting 10¢ raises at best, still being underpaid. Why is all this important? Because these places will not ever give the people of louisiana the raises they deserve no matter what is presented. They will respond to one thing and one thing only. Unionized workforces. Why? Because of how our laws are written, how they're taxed (or rather lack thereof), and the consistent push for businesses to have more power over their employees. Your video is great don't get me wrong but I felt this was another really important aspect that needed to be addressed that isn't something an individual can fix alone and requires a collective.
Link to together Louisiana: m.ruclips.net/video/RWTic9btP38/видео.html
So pay someone else the money I would normally get for a union? FUCK THAT! Thats like shops pooling hours. The lazy make out, the workers lose. Clearly you know NOTHING about this.
Fresh outta tech school made 12$ an hour for tires and oil then within a year I am doing pretty much any work they have for me...no raise asked and had meetings consistently for months saying I'm doing high level jobs. Still no raise no benefits nothing for working during coronavirus nothing. Quit and the person replacing me made more and had NO experience or skills. BAD idea to go into automotive field
Hey charles i just wanted to thank you man you help me alot before i when to tech school and getting thought NADC ever sense my my first vw they stole my heart and thanks to some of your advice and knowledge i have a bay for pdi a hendrick vw thank you man that bay means the world to me thank you
Basically, when asking for a raise, prepare all material that would otherwise (in other careers) be used for a promotion, it's just you preparing it instead of an HR rep. HR also doesn't care what you "feel", only what can be seen in your employee review.
What were the training seminars you talked about going to.
Vision training is probably what I had in mind. That’s soon!!
I have a very important question now. My daughters 2012 Tiguan has a P299 light at 67,000 miles. The waste gate is loose. I did all the checks you and others advised doing. I would like to know if you have ever used the $750 turbo I’ve seen on Amazon with the adjustable waste gate control arm. I’m sure it is a Chinese made turbo but from all the information I’ve found online the VW OEM is also made in a Chinese factory.
To be honest I just apply some where else get a written amount then show my job if they wanna keep me cool if they don't then ok
Can I ask a question, my AC stopped working in my 2012 MY13 Passat 125TDi Australian Spec. I've had it tested. No fault codes in HVAC. AC Compressor engages correctly but not producing specified pressure on low side of the system.
Question 1. Should I just replace the compressor instead of the solenoid valve or should I replace the solenoid valve?
Question 2. Where is the receiver/drier located? The service rep suggested it's under the dash?
Question 3. Where is the filter located so I can check for debris once the AC is evacuated?
Any help is appreciated. I understand that you can't see it for yourself and may not want to make suggestions based on the limited information.
I am a apprentice technician I got a dollar raise just today from working very hard and my boss notices that always work hard it will pay off
How much :) and for how long ?
:)
open your own shop ! I did tripled my pay in under a year
Change careers. Quadruple, quintuple without having to spend thousands on tools.
@@iamtheoffenderofall truth. I hung up my tools for good years ago and my pay raise alone this year was the same amount I made for my entire last year of spinning wrenches.
Great video even for other professional fields...
I never really ask for a raise. Just ask to become a more higher position. Once I got my ase's I ask to become a Tech B(from mechanic) and then a Tech A( from tech b). That got me higher pay. The only thing that sucks. Any mechanic coming in now is making a $1 or 50¢ less then me then what i making now.
I feel you. That is why I left the industry and went on to do other things. I realized that the best and fastest way to get a raise was to quite the shop I was working at and get hired on somewhere else for more money.
@6:20 my boss is having a bad day every day 🤦🏻♂️😂
Hi why is it my golf mk6 keep telling me p/n when I start. I just changed the starter and my barttery is new. Plus help.
Threaten to quit.
I went from $10hr (working interview) to $15hr.
To $17hr.
Threaten to quit.
Instantly $25 hr.
Threaten to quit again
$32hr.
Eventually was at 70k salary.
And I still quit!
Working at shitty shops ain’t worth it.
It’s all how you word it.
Don’t say “I’m going to quit if....”
Just say you are going to go do something else.
We have the opportunity to work with marijuana legally.
Way better industry.
You can always go back to mechanic.
Let us be crazy enough to change the world because we are capable of doing it. The world need more of us.
Hey Charles. Not sure if you’ve covered this topic but what drove you to become a VW mechanic versus any other manufacturers?
my boss told me He would give a me a raise since December. we are in March and nothing.. I did all the webinar he told me to do and nothing. they lie.. they do not care.
Outstanding topic and discussion
But sometimes it can help to find a new job because in my old job I got 1.500€ a month and in my new I have 2.000€ with the same hours.
And I work as a car mechanic.
Greetings from Germany
I made 4 times that amount 2 years after hanging up my wrenches for good.
Thats it? I take home 5000CAD almost every month turning wrenches. And still think im worth more.
You not supposed to know about how much a coworker makes is not a legit reason to fire you. There is no legal reason for you and you're coworker to not know about each others pay rate. If anything coworkers talking about each other's pay makes sure nobody is getting fucked over. The only person that benefits from you shutting up about your pay rates is the employer.
Sorry different question, the mk7 tsi needs timing adjustment after a while? I’m at 75k miles
It’s self adjusting until it’s maxed out.
How will I know that? I’m planning on keeping this car for a while
It’s simple. Don’t say, I would like a raise! You need to say, I need a raise! That’s telling them that you can’t make it on what their paying you now. And if they say no! That’s telling you that they don’t care enough about you to give you that raise. Time to look around! But, you have to expect that you need to start at the bottom, and work up!you can’t ask for that raise on week three! But this holds true for any tech. Regardless, how long you have been there. It’s always worked for me.
I dont fully agreed with the need. In the right place it works. But its also not an employers job to be sure you are living within your means. Its not the bosses fault you are spending money you don't have.
Them telling you no, may mean that they don't care. but it can also mean what you are doing is not worth more money. OR there is no more money to pay you. LOL
Then it might be time to look for another job. Again, it depends on a lot of variables. You need to have done your time! Do you really deserve a raise? Etc.
Exactly!!! And I’m all for moving on!
Yeah, it happens all the time. Once, I couldn’t get the raise I requested, so, I went to another shop I knew. They agreed to hire me, with decent raises coming. Told the boss. He gave me a huge raise! And no overtime. Which was great, as I was a family man. But, this method can backfire too! He might say, bye! And you might not like the new job. Sometimes, you have to do some soul searching. Btw , loving retirement!
Charles, is it a good idea to write a letter and let your boss read reasons why you are asking for a raise on their time? Or should it be strictly face to face?
Blackmail and bribery work too. I've seen it many times. I've never done it but I've seen it.
@Foam Farmer Also hugely lucrative if all are involved. It is not in my moral hand book but I worked in a Ford dealership where the cocaine sales far exceeded vehicle sales. Mechanics were not better. Sooo many 'paper' overhauls. You could always tell who was on one side or another. I drove a Dodge Royal Monaco. I know-nothing tech was driving a Corvette. I guess it depends on what drives a person.
What is door labor rate?
Great advice Charles, would "I like money though" work 😁👍
Haha how many billion?
@@HumbleMechanic Ask President Camacho👌😎
I can't give you a pay raise but i can give you my like and a new subscriber!
LOL That is all I ask :) THANK YOU!
He has a patreon. Technically you _can_ give him a pay raise 😜
Did you hit the bell though?
Hahaha, wish it would work in South Africa...
Gotta move around to get paid more
There is truth to this.
@@HumbleMechanic i just feel like alot of shop already have an idea of what they can spend on techs and when you're a mid level guy and you take the next step up they can no longer afford you
True that. The best and fastest way to get a raise is to change jobs. Or you can stay at the shop you are at and struggle for 10 years only to see the new hire get paid $1.00 less than you.
@@robbiesantos7677 well said. Once you get enough skills, you should move on to industrial machinery and then they'll pay you accordingly.
pausing at 21 minutes, to go in early this morning... again ha ha yes sir you are right, what are you doing extra?
Everyone that I work with was given a raise bcuz they threatened to quit. I have been at this shop for just over a year. I gave suttles hints (i.e. days I'm tired I said I slept like shit) when asked y I said "Bill's do you no anyone that's hiring around our hours or needs side work done. I need money I said that casually. Well at around 9 months I was told I'm worth way more then I'm making. What would make me happy. I said a million dollors. I wanted to leave what I'm worth to them and negotiate from there. Well I was given a considerable raise and I am very happy!. Long story short I agree make sure they no ur worth. I'm always the first there and the last to leave. I always have multiple projects going on n I'm not afraid to work outside!. I get all the jobs everyone cries about and refuses to do n when I'm asked I simply say "idc either way I'm here until 5" I love my job.
I swear I only work on the junk or something someone else has already messed up! Hahaha 😆 😂 I don't mind it but
Well said
Is that a VR6 cylinder head sitting on the bench?
It is! From my R32
Some guy at work by the name of Ben Dover walked in and asked for a raise. He ended up waddling out of the bosses office rubbing his "cheeks"
Great topic!
Thanks man! Hope you are doing awesome!
Get good then work for yourself. After that it’s all up to you.
i was given a $2 raise last friday, that started today and i dont know why.
Start your own shop and grind hard.
3 years later, "why the automotive industry can't find new techs" lmfao
they should do 3 month reviews with employees.
universal rule of this industry is in order to get a raise is to bounce
Shout out to high performance academy 👍
good stuuf!
What if youre not flat rate but hourly yes i know get to flat rate but that means learning new skills and depending on where you are its hard to get the cross training especially in busy shops or mom and pop shops but getting a $.38 raise is a slap in the face so no they dont hear about how i feel but you bet my ass isnt going to give a 110% effort ill give them 100% then they ask hey we noticed youre not being yourself and what should i say the truth or feed them BS i tend to feed them BS i know they dont care
It should not have to be such a difficult task to get a raise if you are experienced and you are doing well in the company is making money they should automatically compensate you for your efforts if they are not recognizing this and requiring you to beg for the raise, the company is not worth working for be straightforward your time is valuable if they don't value your time and efforts that company is wasting your time
Techs are nearing $40 an hour plus now, except dealer techs
What are dealer techs at???
God I could open a can of worms with this one hahaha.
I got a pay raise when I was a mechanic by quitting my job, hanging up my tools, and finding another field of work. Now I'm making 8 times what I ever could if I was still spinning wrenches and busting tires.
Other than that, your advice is spot-on. The problem is that you can do all of the things you said in a different line of work and instead of getting a $0.15 raise, you can get a $15,000 raise.
Think long term
Do evening side jobs!
I ve never been a fan of that. More risk than I care for. But it often depends on what youre doing and where you work.
Depending upon the paperwork you signed when you got hired, your employer might be able to sue you.
@@deciplesteve What they dont know dont hurt. Plus, I will never sign ANYTHING where a company owns my private time without compensation.
@@iamtheoffenderofall I'd never agree to a company saying I can't work two jobs (or do my own side work), but unless you read carefully, a non-compete can be worded to include side work. It's shady shit, but it happens. Not saying I condone it in any way.
Yo paint those 2x4’s red or black ASAP! Now
Lol no rush really. I don’t think I want to commit to something so dark. Maybe Grey?
HumbleMechanic - whatever get to it. It’s bothering me! Oh, dam nice shop.
Experience says that you will make more money switching jobs every couple years then staying with most employers. Your advice may have worked a lot better back in the good ol days but now a days you just need to job hop until you find someone who pays you what you're worth in the first place. You shouldn't have to ask for a raise when you deserve one, the employer should give it to you.
If you get fired for discussing how much you or someone else makes you can sue your former employer. You can not get fired for talking about pay.
I gotta be honest... Mechanics have been so commoditized and not in a good way. All that matters in the corporate market is you can replace parts efficiently. If you get the diag wrong, the service manager will just lie to the customer and bill the customer for more parts. Unless you work for a great business, get your experience and then get out on your own. Look at Brian's Mobile 1. Dude has been working out of his own garage for years and at the end of the month, probably has more money than 95% of shop owners from his repair business.
Luckily this wasn’t my experience. There are good shops out there. But also bad ones. :(
I got a raise by leaving the field and being inside in the ac...and doing nothing really...just paper work.
Don’t ask for a raise in the first place, show, through your performance on the job that you are worth more, if the boss does not recognize or see that you are a great employee, your boss is an arsehole and you should just find a better paying job and leave.
Aside from my first job I. Aviation I have never needed to ask for a raise and never since then had to apply for a job, the pay raises and new job opportunities have been given and offered to me simply because of my reputation.
I dont like this idea that _we dont understand the hidden costs_ is used as if the truth isnt just that, like is said multiple times, they dont give a shit about you, no matter how nice your boss seems, and they will take all the profit for themselves.
You dont have to like the idea but there are so many techs that think they know. They don’t know. The info is out ther and you can find it. But many techs are clueless about the true cost of running a shop
Ok, I have to say, he's shooting some VERY low numbers given the expertise for hourly rate. What is the average for hourly rate for techs? As honestly, if it's below $20, I'm absolutely shocked. Gig apps offer that with NO training. (Talking GrubHub, DoorDash, InstaCart, Uber, Postmates, etc.) So if the average is $20 or below, why on earth do mechanics exist? Seriously. You have to actually train for your profession, pay for your own tools, etc. AND STILL get paid less then people who just drive around all day. That's a HUGE kick in the teeth. Especially considering I know how much a pain in the ass a car can be, because I do those gigs AND do my own car maintenance to keep my costs down.
So if my fat ass can drive from point A to B and make $20 an hour. Mechanics should be making AT MINIMUM $30 an hour.
As I mentioned in the video the numbers are an example. There are infinite variables for pay. If I said “you shouldn’t take less than $40” that’s irresponsible. Unless you’re in the Bay Area or something.
Never ask just change jobs thats it only possible way to make it happen
F A C T Z
If you want a real pay raise work for yourself.
Or get a second job.
̈ why work more hours to make more money? When you can work less hours to make more money.
COVER YOUR ASS HAVE A PHONE TAKE PICS OF EVERYJOB PERIOD
I agree! there is so much value in that.
There won't be many raises & they won't keep up with inflation anyway. The federal reserve will make sure of that. Welcome to the great depression, maybe buy some ammo, canned goods, & gold when the markets are back below 20,000.
If you work for steele auto group you will never get a raise
Stay in your own lane would be my advice
So basically, don't be a snowflake, and soy you want this and that.
Who is dumb enough to do any of this? Maturity is what is lacking and common sense...
Which are are you talking about? Doesn’t seem dumb to ask for a raise
@@HumbleMechanic nothing about what you said in the video is wrong. Its good, solid advice.