Ne: Creativity in the Chaos!
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I actually understand her perfectly. And sometimes the best advice is meant to be delivered in poetic, esoteric ways. The way we use language is not as constrained as daily life wants us to believe.
The amount of limitation in language due to the cognitive bias called "The Law of the Instrument" is quite amusing. The constant assumptions that certain words and phrases can only mean 1 thing is pitiful when one is aware that everyone's version/perception of that 1 thing is different.
This didnt even sound poetic to me at this point
I'm an INFP. Ne is like using every single thing you have learned and throwing random connections together to see the outcome. But the connections are not random. Anything from the past that is remotely associated with the topic is brought up when you reference something. It's like a science experiment mixing different chemicals together to see the outcome. Ne can see all the variables that it has gathered.
Ne is like chain lightning. Different threads jump around and find similarities between topics. Lots of what if's and why's.
Ever feel like your Ne thought process is moving faster than you can mentally keep up with the information? That’s what makes me talk fast.
@@AK-jt7kh And then you end up stumbling on the words because your tongue can't keep up with the influx of thoughts, not that it makes a difference anyway, because you were probably talking so fast to begin with that most people couldn't even understand what you were saying in the first place. Ne is a seriously fun function, but it tends to leave people in the dust.
@@jay5010 True! I also have lead Ti so I have this overwhelming urge to be precise and accurate with my speech. That doesn’t help either, because a lot of the time, being highly precise requires an excess of verbalizing and most people check out after....
Are you still with me?
@@AK-jt7kh I feel like i have a few layers of thoughts processing at the same time. And it is me thinking WHILE talking to someone at the same time; One that is the topic at hand another one (made of few) that are popping out from each side with the examples and correlations, third with the future possible outcomes or obstacles, forth me reminding myself why i do this, fifth trying to process how i feel and act and trying to control that, sixth analyzing others reactions to what i say
Well and it just goes on, i think i dont even need to go on
It's precisely the reactions to the way she speaks I see in the comments that made me inhibit myself. If any ENFP is reading this, don't do it. It doesn't matter what others think or say, you have your own thing they'll never understand or catch up to.
yeah. this has been something really hard for me to learn. i’m still learning it.
oh my god thank you for this comment
Even the reactions of the people who were interviewing her... they all looked so lost and confused and then it makes you question yourself and what you are saying. Definitely been a hard lesson to learn and to reopen and embrace all of that weird playfullness :)
I don't think I'm ENFP, probably have Si higher up than you guys, but I was totally following what she was saying and I relate to that fear holding back my creativity, that only negative things will come back from what I put out into the world. If only I could push through that fear, as then magic really is created. I relate to starting a creative project and it's the process that creates that magic somewhere along the way. Then you take a step back and are like whoah how did I do that. I often feel like if only I didn't have my fear, I could bloom into who I'm truly supposed to be and it would be beautiful.
I will, i love enfp's heh, infp here
I actually really love what the woman said at the start. I relate so much.
How to make anyone seem Ne:
Speed up the video, so it looks like they talk fast
Bonus points for pitching their voice high
*this person seems hella movement*
...wait a minute
@sina yyy Yeah. I didn't say she's not.
Actually, if you watch most of their videos they speed everyone up. It does enhance the Ne effect, but it wasn't done for that purpose.
Balls of chaos....you know the trickster in a lot of art is a juggler. ;)
Lmao at that little easter egg at the end from GI Joe PSAs!
On a side note, I think it takes another Ne dom to really appreciate these thoughts. Most of the gallery will give you the blank stare like the hosts of that show; To them it’s the “twilight zone”, but I’m happy to give them the middle finger back about their sports statistics ramblings.
I have Ne second and I could still appreciate what she was saying. She didn't really seem all that strange to me, though Dave & Shan seemed to imply she was. She did talk at a rate of speech that seems oddly fast to me, but that's about it.
Heather Bryant they speed up the video. Ne users talk quickly, but not that fast! Haha
But sports statistics are interesting too! Well, for a minute, before moving on...
I don't know, this shit makes absolute perfect sense to me. Everything she's saying I'm just sitting here going "YES, THAT IS THE MINDSET TO HAVE, SOMEONE GETS IT HOLY CRAP" and looking at these comments everyone seems to think she's way, way out there with her line of thinking. Maybe I have Ne? I feel like I'm always yelling this stuff at anyone who'll listen, like, just throw yourself at the fucking canvas, see what comes out. I mean, with life in a "real-world" sense I tend to be a lot more hesitant and careful, minimizing risk where I can, but she's talking specifically about creative pursuits here and I'm kind of surprised at the confusion about her approach because to me this seems obvious.
You're not alone.. Big Magic by Liz Gilbert has been a saviour for me in my creative journey and finding my voice.. i guess we are both strong in the NE department
I didn't understand it. I have typed as intj, infj.
Damn such ENFPness even makes the ENTP I am uncomfortable.
I know I've got some crazy guy vibe going on, but not in such a disorganized way. She sounds like a mom who just bought anew book on kids psychology and can't wait to make that damn broccoli icecream they're gonna love and that's somehow gonna educate them.
As an ENFP who eats a lot of broccoli, I feel bad for my future kids tastebuds.
Also for all of the crazy shit I’m going to put in their heads.
@@LemonMeIon Don't worry, they will just think you're crazy.
oof
What?! That was glorious! - infp.
I feel like ENFPness hides a pun. Given a fellow ENTP made the post I wouldn’t be surprised
Haha.. I try to convince my coworkers that control is just an illusion. You got to learn to live in chaos.
You mean Illusion?
@@Elimbi1 illustration makes sense to me. control only exists from others who prefer and decide to illustrate it, and is hence a sort of illusion. lol idk
@@Elimbi1 dam you autocorrect...
So powerful what Shan said. “Dealing with the negativity of your saviors.” We often overlook how well we manage that daily. In contrast to the negativity from our demons, that often tempts us away from exercising that function, as often.
Ne isn’t Willy-Nilly accepting and liking all chaos, they are more like a surfer who first searches for and catches specific waves, rejecting others. The main difference is that they enjoy riding their chosen wave of chaos and see it as an opportunity to explore the world and to find out more about the world. They are choosing which chaos to accept and ride. There is a Decider that makes the selections. It is kind of like testing the limits of the universe, such as a child playing a game with the end result being learning more things.
Wow! I’m an ENFP and every time you guys made fun of what she was saying it was interrupting my aha moment... I completely understood what she was getting at. That’s my lingo..what’s wrong with you guys!? 😁
That's so interesting
As an INFJ, I understand everything she’s saying but inviting chaos makes me a bit uncomfortable. I love creativity, mental exploration/expression and unknown ideas but I’m not ok with just accepting/being ok with the universe flinging BS my way lol. I’m much more apt to explore through the wild in my mind than in real life. In the real world, I’m fearful and cautious and nervous.
it rings a bell somewhere in my head that what you said means that you are just highly analytical. Being ok with what is before you and moving on is a low analytical thinking process.
I have it the same way, the difference is that i like chaos because it is the core thing i know, my thoughts were a chaos as a default and im trying to understand them my whole life. its easier for me to have all the possible ways to perceive open, so i can figure myself out in every twist. i can just reach a hand in straight line in whichever direction and be able to grab it. Its like every single thing i find in the chaos has a label on it already, so i save time by not going to the label section first. Letting something happen means gathering new observations how something can work which is in fact going deeper. Lack of response is also a feedback.
I mean, in reality we all actually say the same thing, but from a reflected perspective
(im infp)
The universe is a friend, not a mortal enemy
I see her Ne working with her Te pushing it all out there forcefully and so fast. Maybe that is just in an interview situation but looks that way to me.
Adam Augustus Just because she has Fi in-between doesn’t mean she can’t be using Ne and Te.
@@adamagustus1316 Logically it does seem to me that NeTe working together fits with the basic outline of the system. Really seems just as fundamental as NeTi or TiNe or TeNe.
As an NE there could be an adrenaline factor since she is under the spotlight.
Creativity is like swimming in the pool of your own thoughts, not just acknowledging that the water is wet
INFP and I love her philosophy :)
Infp have ne too. I'm an enfp and my infp friend is more into chaos than I'd be comfortable with lol.
@@Brenda-by9mf Haha. I think it's because we value Te less, so our Ne can be crazy sometimes because it's based on our Fi.
Yes I think my Fi may be my third function, rather than the second. Lol
Oh, Ne-Te subtype! Crazy interesting combo.
@@Meowewoi All combos are interesting when you meet the right person
This woman’s conversation is pure bliss to me…
I have felt like that every day, what this lady is talking about, I am also very creative. A lot of ppl have said I have lead Ne. The way she says it makes me think about "Lalita plays" in hinduism is the element that creates the universe from chaos, plays without fear. Which is freaking rad.
If I didn't have Ne I wouldn't know half the shit I know, and I know a lot. Without it I'd probably have killed myself already. Sounds drastic but it's the only thing that, as a child, let me stay sane. I suffered from chronic abuse, and a way I'd escape mentally was through Ne. Always craving for more. Ti also helped, wanting to know the _why_ . This very curiosity led me to realize in my teens that what my parents did to me was abusive my entire life. I found out I have CPTSD on my own. Led me to realize my entire IXXJ/EXXJ family is just a cesspool of transgenerational trauma that never got adressed and kept on repeating cycles of abuse. So I'm actually very thankful I have it as a saviour. I wouldn't be here had I not.
i cant tell whether im IXXJ or XNXP
I honestly want to dive deep into my work and be completely in my own artist world.
But I'm afraid I might sound like that.
Access the Big Magic. Open the Portal to the infinite Universe. Release your inner Goobly gooble and your bibbldy boop doop shobba dobba. Wiiiiiiw! Yerp. Yerp. - INFPeepee
C hahahahhaa 😂 that was good.
I now know why I love Liz Gilbert's Big Magic book and whenever she do any talkshows about it.. I guess it's my saviour Ne finding a match in her.. love this!
Ne Lady: "What if the pope has donkey Ears?"
Dave: "You're gonna get your ass sued!" 🤣
Chaos and control are not really great words to choose for concepts that are supposed to present a more balanced viewpoint. The thing is that control has a relative balanced meaning, where control can either be a good or bad thing. You can either be "in control" of things, but also a "controlfreak". However, chaos basically only has a negative meaning. People do not typically call themselves "chaos lovers". There is no context in which chaos is positive. It is only a negative word. Also, it is only chaos from the viewpoint of a control person. It would be the same (but opposite) idea if it was called "freedom" and "restriction", where freedom even more only sounds like a positive thing and restiction mostly negative.
Maybe this is because I'm Ne-dominant, but I love referring to myself as "chaotic" and don't see it as a negative thing--I'm often taken aback in TV shows or fantasy novels when the ultimate evil is described as "chaos" or everyone is worried about the kingdom falling into chaos lol As if complete control and order is the highest good haha Yes chaos can be bad, I wouldn't want the guy checking my prostate to have chaotic energy, but on the other hand, the holocaust was an extremely orderly, bureaucratic operation. Chaos and Order aren't inherently good or bad.
@@jeremyc1076 That's true! they are not good or bad. The word choas in itself is just not often used in a positive conext.
Actually the strange look on their faces is the same way I feel when they talk. Tks. ENFP
I like listening to her and I understand her totally, but in creativity I like to rationalise it a little bit.
I like the feeling of chasing down that creativity into a rabbit hole.
LIZ like mirrors my way of thinking. ENFP in all ways.
Yup. Can identify with this completely.
I relate a lot to this one haha it reminds me of when I was at work and chaos would be introduced (usually technology) and everyone would just turn theirs heads towards me. Also when I was leaving and asking everyone if there was anything they wanted me to put in my exit interview they all said how chaotic the environment was, but that never bothered me. I do think my strength is just rolling with the punches.
Kinda able to relate to Liz, I’m an ENFP btw.
Dealing with the fears for unknown is def the first step of following your dream n world of creativity. But yeah.. also try to plan wisely to minimise as much as chaos as possible😂
It seems to me that J/P dichotomy has a lot to do with persons ability to deal with chaos and accepting chaos.
Yiss i agree. Well kind of.
She gets it.
Eh. I feel like this one didn't do enough for the complexity of Ne. But, then again, that's just mine saying "MORE OPTIONS."
Real note: Ne is about innovating techniques on the fly. It's going to the airport, discovering your ideal restaurant is overcrowded, and then feeling responsible for not freaking out. Why? Because you see the chaos already, you dont want to (intentionally) cause more. It's also about connecting seemingly random ideas and experiences into a single object. We make the greatest mix-CD's you could ever imagine.
Maybe this is my own brand of Ne speaking, but I feel like perhaps it's a well-seasoned blend of innovating techniques on the fly and maybe using the ability to think ahead and make predictions, like, "Ok, I'm going to an airport and I want to eat a meal there. It'll be this time, on this day, so it's probably going to be busier than hell. TBH, my first pick is probably going to be packed to the walls. So, I could wait it out, maybe I'll get lucky and get in in 10-15, or I could just choose something else. I probably won't want to wait it out, they're already so busy, and there are probably going to be faster or slower-foot-traffic options I could find something to eat from. Whelp, we'll see when we get there!" (Except everything in the quotes takes place mentally, super fast). Know what I mean?
@@jessicag3532 Absolutely! It's seeing patterns and using that information to make guesses on a spectrum. If your system understands one airport, you assume it'll work on every airport. It also has to couple with poor Si - on the morning of your flight, you've forgotten that the city is doing routine repavement, your street is on their docket for the day, there's no way to leave the house until an hour before takeoff, you're going to a wedding, and forgot you ruined your shoes at the last one/assumed you got them fixed already.
It's like me playing a guitar solo--waaaay better at improv. But once you're inside a recording studio & everything has to be precise--goddammit.
@@andrewcalebgorospe2754 I'm at work (a department store). Just found a pair of jeans covered in dust and grime. I couldn't locate a lint-roller, so I cleaned them with one of those packing tape guns you use to seal cardboard boxes #Ne
@@dylonias lol 😂
my wife complains all the time about my habitual detouring (heck even if the traffic's barely minimal). my alibi was always "what ifwe found out a fasterrrr route!?"
me: *finds a route to work faster by 50%
also me, 3mos. later: *looks for another route, gets stuck in worse traffic, wife complains again
😂😂😂
real punchline: my wife's a play-last ISTP, the poor thing 😂
ok this is kinda an off topic question but, do you guys think personalities are something you are born with or something thats made?
Duh. It's called the muse. Get out of the way and let it do its thing.
“I’m definitely not”
Dave’s face OMG 🤣🤣🤣 4:22
I didn't understand.. was the way she was talking a bad thing??
No she was just talking In an Ne way , Dave is a IxxJ so he is not cool with caos
@@davidegaruti2582 oh.. okay :)
Its amusing how I use the "They always say 'what if' alot" joke, but sometimes a lot of Ne users really do say "what if" a lot quite a bit.
Oh that's really helpful. Why does she seem crazy? This is all quite true - I definitely do my best when I rely on my Ne/Fi instead of trying to Te/Si my way out of things.
What you guys are talking about is just expanding and contracting attention. You can concentrate and focus better when you narrow and contract your attention. You see things with more depth but at the expense of exclusion. Ne is the ability to expand attention. You see more. but with less . details. This ability to expand and contract is both innate and practicable. Some people can are good at Balancing. People who are good at concentration will be good at Ni. And people can connect the dots between different domains are Ne.
@@adamagustus1316 Intuition. Thinking. Attention. 3 different things. We can direct our thinking with attention. We can also direct our feelings/emotions with attention. There is passive thinking and there is active thinking. We can add or remove attention to thinking. We can also add/remove attention to feelings/emotions. Intuition gives us insight where we don't know how reality was processed to arrive at a conclusion. Someone can think intuitively directing their attention in multiple domains and making a connection between those domains. Someone can also intuitively get an insight into their experience while their thinking is undirected. It will be interesting to see where dave goes with this. But it is very hard to talk about intuition without perception, sense of self. someone's ability to focus.concentrate, non-dual experiences and no-self experiences. There. I think I have dropped enough NE NF bombs in one sentence. haha
@@abuomit Do you use meditation and or listen to Russell Brand. Ascribe to the David Lynch idea of awakening?
Ni...a Spark of Impressions pattern recognition and the ability to see how this applies to the past and future
while ignoring our lunch which is getting colder.
Ne...they go outside to get us our lunch...and come back with more Cheese! and a Front Porch with Songs.
((this is in inside joke about why INTJ's enjoy the ENTP's and the Ne. Creative genius or genies?
@@wynstansmom829
1. I have seen some of Russell's clips. But don't follow him so don't know much other than watching some very entertaining clips of him.
2. I don't know what David lynch's idea of awakening is. As far as I know, it's TM. Which is the branch of meditation where the meditator has to be one with the object of meditation? I don't think there is ever any final awakening. The only thing I can do is keep refining my perceptions and actions in accordance with reality until death. Maybe.
3. I have practised both object-oriented meditation where meditator has to be one with the object and non-directive meditation where the self drops away from one's experience. These are difficult concepts to describe with language unless the person I am communicating to has similar experiences in their lives.
@@abuomit Interesting. I understand. I am interested in people and why and how they think and feel. So, when I found personality typing, I needed to understand all aspects of this theory from the science to the Shamanic. Last year, I needed answers after a personal tragedy, simple as that so maybe we have had similar experiences but it is still a difficult concept to express.
I also grew up in the days of Hippy Dippy astrology and incense and I watched Cowboys and Indians on television and wanted to grow up to be Cochise. I would have settled on being Dale Evans, lol.
People are interesting and so are their stories.
@sina yyy Well said. Huzzah!
Shanny has CUTEST Fi smile, ever! ❤️❤️❤️
Hello, DaveSuperPowers and Mrs. PrettyDaveSuperPowers who has the best laugh on RUclips.
The id operates on the pleasure principle
I get great pleasure from your videos, your contents and you two who are such creative channel content providers.
Jung writes that if these projections remain hidden, "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object-if it has one-or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power."[6]
These projections insulate and harm individuals by acting as a constantly thickening veil of illusion between the ego and the real world.the Jungian shadow can include everything outside the light of consciousness and may be positive or negative.
"Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is."[2] It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts,[3] which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.
Thanks again. Nice Job SuperPowersPeople.
I too, love metronome and my cuddly Clefairy.
i always thought Ne was like gathering nuts (little nuggets of knowledge) and storing them was Ne. Nobody else does that? are you sure? nobody else can see that? am i crazy?
The end was really creepy 😬
You seam to speak about Ne from a demon state. Here's the Ne crack addicted perspective: Ne is not chaos. It's the greatest power there is in life. Why? Because Ne is about discovering options. If you have options, you are in the driver's seat. The choice is yours. If you don't have options, circumstance is in control of you. Trust in your judgement and ability to choose, but most important: your ability to learn from choices that you fuck up. Bad shit will happen anyway. May as well be your fault, cuz if it is, it's also in your hands to get it right. End of savior state speech ;)
she speaks so fast damn 😂
All of the videos Dave shows are sped up.
Adam Augustus True in some cases. There are Ni dom speed readers that can be very detail oriented.
Great clip, but just a suggestion, please don't speed up the vid clips, they are not that long and listening to the way someone speaks, ie: the speed, rhythm, pauses and tone to the voice is an important part of catching cognitive nuances esp for those of us trying to learn. It makes the person seem hyper and hard to understand, I went back to the original vid and she is not that way at all, she's very clear and concise.
yeah. this vid isnt as vague as "Ne on crack" vid. at least i could confirm i have Ne since i could follow her train of thoughts. 😊
Do you guys type Marie Forleo as ESFJ?
Techno music??? Yes please....give me Uplifting Trance
I have a question not related to this video: how do I know if I have masculine or feminine Si? (I'm Si/Ti)
Can you remember a lot of stuff in really good detail? I know I can't remember diddly lol.
@@absinthesesotericadventure7631 , I have a great memory for stuff I'm really interested, but I can't even remember what I ate yesterday at dinner! I remember stuff I studied many years ago, but I struggle to remember practical things like tasks, phone numbers...
José Henrique Ferreira de Sousa In the Objective Personality model (Dave Super Powers’ model), Masculine Sensory is for noticeably strong memory of the past, especially recall for timeline and dates and details of events (“we saw that movie in June of 2002; we sat in the very back.”). From your description of yourself, you might be Feminine Sensory. Btw, in this model, for Masculine or Feminine Sensory, it doesn’t matter whether it’s Si or Se, or S as Savior or S as Demon- it just refers to whatever S the person has.
Interesting video.
What is martyr?
*Does the PoLR function also jump with jumpers?*
There's no set translation between OP and other models yet, but this is something I've been considering.
I'd say if you do want to marry the two, it kind-of jumps, but not really. Same for the second function, really.
The two saviour functions are just the highest preference. The second function is still the second function, so the PoLR and Critical parent likely jump in terms of severity and comfort in the same way, but they'll still be expressed in the same way. So you'll get the same PoLR reaction from an OeDe or OeDi of the same functions.
That's a question I've wondered myself, but I've never received a straight answer from the OP camp. Perhaps because they don't really seem to discuss shadow functions (or they interpret "demons" as what Jung was talking about in terms of the shadow, which would seemingly imply this model doesn't believe people use all 8 functions).
Dave typed himself as an INTJ jumper, right? But he doesn't really seem to be Fe PoLR. This could be the result of years of practice, but it could also mean he has a different PoLR function. Eric from TwFP thinks Dave is an ENTJ with Si PoLR. Interpret that information however you will. Just food for thought.
That is really interesting and something ima have to think about. Thanks for pointing that out.
I love that Ne\Te woman. I need to be more like her 😬🔥🎊🌅💚🧬🍭🍬
G. I. Joooooooooooe!
At this point this channel was made just to mindfuck the shit out of us so we’d stay consumers
I was making that face and got called out
Ni creativity in control?