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If you watch closely, when Appa arrives in Ba Sing Se, two of the pygmy pumas are on a roof and saw him. Those two plus another are the same ones that guided Momo to Appa's footprint. Also they are symbolic of the guardians of the underworld/afterlife.
Just a note about iroh voice actor. The new voice actor doesn’t come in until book 3, Mako completed voicing season 2 before he died, it’s just that tales of ba sing se was the last episode he recorded but not the last that he is in.
The new voice actor does some lines in book 2 as well. I think one example is in episode 15 when he sees some kids break a window and says "It is usually best to admit mistakes when they occur, and seek to restore honor!"
I don't know why Avatar fans are like this. Most reactors that get bombarded with the news of Iroh's VA always end up thinking that he doesn't voice anything in the rest of book 2. ATLA fans either love to blatantly lie or are just blatantly bad at explaining things. And not just the Iroh thing.
Abligatory comment about how this episode won an award for its depiction of animal cruelty in the circus. This one breaks my heart Appa is my favorite not an exaggeration. Watching him go through so much and the trauma he now holds. He is the Goodest of boys.
Hi guys. Enjoy your reactions. A few things: The circus was not in the city. He was sold to the fire nation. It. was likely in the Earth Kingdom but somewhere else under Fire Nation control. Maybe near Omashu or Heru's village or basically anywhere else they had conquered. Ba Sing Se is literally the last stronghold left from Fire Nation takeover so the rest of the Earth Kingdom is fair game to have a Fire Nation circus. Iroh does not know anything about Appa's whereabouts. He has no idea that Aang is in the city at this point nor does he know that the the and Appa have been separated. He and Zuko were on the ferry headed to Ba Sing Se when Appa flew in the opposite direction. He didn't want Zuko to know he had seen it and revert back to trying to capture the Avatar, thereby falling back into his obsession which would put them in more danger and derail their trip.
Guru Patik , when he sensed Aang's location through Appa looked something similar like what the swamp benders taught Aang about people being connected... just shows how their bond is strong, even having same dreams
Dee Bradley Baker, the voice of Appa, is an absolute voice acting legend. How he manages to convey so much emotion in wordless grunts and growls is astounding.
Guys, you're over-thinking it/missing the point. The merchants had considered selling Appa to Ba Sing Se; but after the trouble he caused them, they decided to offload him somewhere close (the circus) instead. The circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se (Northeastern Earth Kingdom), but in the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom (western region of the continent). Everyone in that circus audience was of Fire Nation ancestry (note the red clothing). The Fire Nation had invaded and taken those regions from the Earth Kingdom
If Aang ever met that circus master and knew what he did to Appa he would’ve ended up like that buzzard-wasp in The Desert This episode won a Human Society Genesis Award in how it depicted the mistreatment of animals in the fire nation circus
One thing I love about this episode is that it really showcases just how much Aang and Appa truly NEED each other. They (and Momo) are essentially their own little family unit (Same way Sokka and Katara are) and being separated messes with all of their psyche. It breaks my heart so much to know that all 3 are probably in constant fear for each other (Though Aang is the type to try not to let his pain and fear control him too much), especially after losing the rest of their people, it shows how much it impacted not just Aang but also Appa to not have any familiarity around. It also shows just a hint of what it must have been like for the other Air Nomads and Bison when the fire nation attacked, imagine all of them going through something similar to what Appa did, omg, really makes me wanna cry! Thanks for the reaction guys!
The beetle merchants said they were gonna take him to Ba Sing Se but after the escape attempt they knew they couldn't contain him long enough for the journey, so they sold him to the circus in the closest Fire Nation Colony🤷♀️
this episode won a Genesis Award, for producing outstanding works which raise public awareness of animal issues. You really feel for Appa, every animal has feelings just like him.
Mako had finished voicing all of Book 2, before he passed, there are only 3 uncredited lines for the incoming voice actor in the book. People often say Tales of Ba Sing Se was the last episode he voiced, but that’s not accurate. It was one of the first episodes to be edited after his passing, and was the most appropriate to give tribute. It’s become common rumour that the episode was the last one he recorded due to the tribute being in that episode but it’s not actually correct.
Mako did voice most of book 2, but you could already hear the new voice actor in some lines in Tales of Ba Sing Se. The new voice actor is Greg Baldwin, he is actually a voice double for Mako and took over Mako's parts in some other shows as well after his passing (e.g. Samurai Jack). You can really only hear the difference between the two if you really pay attention.
@@TheMrPeteChannelCertain lines from Iroh, such as when the kids send the ball through the window, are clearly not Mako if you listen for it. Whenever Greg Baldwin is credited under “Additional Voices” during Book 2, it’s because he voiced Iroh for some part of the episode. Spreading misinformation while calling the actual truth misinformation yourself is good for nothing.
The fire nation circus at the start was not in Ba Sing Se. the beetle merchants wanted to sell Appa to BSS but after Appa’s mini rampage they sold him somewhere else instead which was that Fire Nation circus
Yeah - I think the show could have done a better job of explaining that, to be fair :D First-time viewers would have drawn no other inference based on what the Beetle-headed merchants said.
I usually skip watching reactors do this one, but you both are two of my favorites to react to this show, so I had to, and yes I still cried! Such an emotional episode, and CANNOT WAIT to see you react to the rest of this season and show!
When he asked if the sand bender was an earth bender I almost fainted. Yes the sand benders are part of the earth nation, the desert lies just north of the swamp and south of ba sing se. But because there is no solid rock out there they bend the small tiny particles of earth they do have. The circus is not in ba sing se. After the escape attempt the beetle headed merchants decided just to go to a part of the earth nation that had been conquered by the fire nation (“the colonies” you’ll hear them referred to as later) because that area was closer to the desert than ba sing se, because they knew appa wouldn’t be calm the whole way to ba sing se
To clarify for anyone who sees this and doesn’t know, Mako finished baseline recordings for S2, but dialogue can be added or changed after that and they bring the voice actors back. In this case, Greg Baldwin did that for Iroh as Mako died in between, so a few new or changed lines are Greg in S2, but most are still Mako.
Mako, Iroh's oiriginal voice actor, finished voicing Iroh in all of Book 2, I'm pretty sure. His new voice actor comes on in Book 3. The "In Honor of Mako" text was just put there because that was around the time Mako died, and it was the perfect scene to put it in.
The new actor takes over in Book 3, but is already voicing occasional lines in Book 2, even as early as Tales of Ba Sing Se. If you can’t hear the difference, you still know whenever Greg Baldwin is credited under “Additional Voices” that he voiced Iroh at least a bit in any given episode. Mako finished voicing most of Iroh, but some parts were added after his death. I think they always intended to have the scene with Iroh at Lu Ten’s grave, but it ended up being perfect for the tribute.
Minor spoiler warning: Greg Baldwin, who voices Iroh after Mako passed does a great job in season 3. If you really listen you can tell a difference, but I didn't notice my first time through. It's obviously okay to be sad, but don't be worried about it!
He does a few lines in S2, "It is usually best to admit mistakes when they occur" But yes, Mako died between finishing this season and its airing. Without spoiling anything, You'll notice Iroh is pretty silent during the first few episodes of season 3, while they were working on his replacement. Greg Baldwin, the replacement actor, does an amazing job however. And yes, Greg Baldwin refuses to sing Leaves from the Vine when asked at conventions and stuff. "That's Mako's song" is what he says.
@@HarukaLPs I think they refrained from using Greg because he couldn't sound as accurate as Mako maybe? But as hes in season 2, they wouldnt be looking for a replacement in season 3. Also even though you mean well, both this comment and yours talking about him being silent in the first few episodes is still slightly spoilery unfortunately aha
I think the consensus is that the voice actor of iroh finished all of book 2, and the new voice actors does book 3 , they may have gone back and recorded some of the new voice actor voice and slipped it in to little parts of book 2 just to get a smother transition but not sure
I don't know why this false information keeps going on but Mako & only mako did Iroh in all of Book. He did it all in studio & wasn't on his death bed. Greg Baldwin never met or worked with Iroh & only voiced Iroh in Book 3.
@@TheMrPeteChannel didn’t say he did it on his breath bed , I just said the new one does book 3 , I wasn’t 100% sure with the other info I just pointed out that it’s a possibility that they got him to record a few lines and the slipped it in
@@TheMrPeteChannelI don’t know why people like you keep pushing that false information, especially to people who came to correct it. Only Mako is given credit for playing Iroh for the rest of Book 2, but I have to wonder who you think Greg Baldwin plays in Book 2 when he has credits in episodes where Iroh’s voice sounds different? After all of Mako’s lines were recorded they do another pass where they re-record/change/add/remove lines to refine the dialogue, then the voice actors come back for that. Unfortunately, Mako died before this point, so these lines are voiced by Greg.
The girl is right. Iroh definitely infers that Apa and the avatar are in basing se.. and also wants to keep it from zuko.. the magic of this show is to be able to convey so much in such a small scene.. but it is simple and 100% deliberate. It was something like two stills… just amazing story telling.
To be clear, Appa's time in the Fire Nation circus was not his time in Ba Sing Se. We aren't exactly sure where he is but it wouldn't be crazy to assume Appa was in the Fire Nation at the time. The audience members and the vendors were clearly Fire Nation judging by their clothes, food, mannerisms, etc. However, recall that the Fire Nation has such power that they can just waltz right into any Earth Kingdom village and encounter little to no resistance. There are tons of Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom and over the course of the last 100 years there are even mixed families between the Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom if you can believe it. Ba Sing Se remains the only Earth Kingdom stronghold that has not fallen, and until it does, the Fire Nation cannot truly claim victory in the 100 year war. The Water Tribe might still be kicking but not only are they not a threat and are uninvolved in the war but they were dealt a serious blow at the end of S1 nonetheless. Nobody would call them an active member of the war.
The guru that Appa met is Guru Patik. He is very old because he was friends with aang's guardian monk gyatso. Keep him in mind Appa flew by sokka and Katara's dad (the water tribe ship) The circus Appa was in was still in the earth kingdom, part of a fire nation colony
The tales of ba sing se was the episode that broke me just because iroh reminds me of my uncle and knowing the voice actor passed away while watching that episode was just like… too much… on top of it my uncle has cancer and I just started bawling I couldn’t stop crying until I talked to him… Edit I’m crying thinking about it
Here and in the swamp episode, we see very small (but badass) seeds being sewn of a very special type of bending. Energy bending. Only the most spiritual and most “in tune” people and beings can do it. It will pop up later also Pudgey as usual is correct about Iroh knowing the avatar and Appa are close by. They were sailing to Ba sing se in that scene. There is not a lot around ba sing se except the fire nation colonies, or the desert. And the eastern air temple way out in the mountains. So it’s not that hard to assume Iroh put two and two together and assumes the avatar / appa will be in ba sing se. It is also the biggest city in the world and the capital of the earth nation, so it’s easy to assume almost anyone you meet in that part of the world is going to ba sing se.
You can tell wether or not they are in the fire nation or fire nation colonies by their clothes. The circus was probably in the fire nation colonies NOT Ba Sing Se.
i am SHOCKED Pudgey that you don't drink tea. i always drank tea but after i rewatched ATLA a couple of years ago i started LOVING tea just because of Iroh. there is a type of tea out there for everyone, you just didn't find yours yet. and it doesn't have to be pure like when you're a kid and you're ill and your mum makes you drink some weird root tea. it can be anything and you can add milk or honey or both to tune it to your liking. my recommendation is jasmine tea. they have it multiple times in this show :)
the circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se. More likely the Beatle-head merchant crossed paths with the circus on the way to Ba Sing Se and sold Appa at the first opportunity.
Just curious, do you guys watch the “previously on avatar” segment at the start of each episode ? I feel it helps as a bit of a reminder for the stuff that is coming up in the current episode without spoiling anything.
Tho you gotta be careful with them, sometimes by the things they remind you, you can pretty much guess what will happen in the episode, which kinda is a spoiler
we dont because it kinda spoils by hinting at which characters/events are relevant in the episode. we are usually fine to remember what happened last time
It's amazing how they took a character that doesn't speak and made us really love a whole episode about the poor guy. Also a special shout out to Dee Bradley Baker who is the voice of Appa (as well as a billion other voice acted rolls, especially creatures and monsters)
Spartan wishing the sad scenes were more drawn out like in anime made feel like i need to give another reminder that this is a kid's show. Kids have a short attention span for sad things in shows, if they made this show for Spartan it'd just be another anime, but they didn't it's a kids show. I'm pretty sure it aired on Nickelodeon lol.
I read somewhere that the Guru saw a vision of helping Aang 100 years back and he waited for him in the temple since then. Idk if it s wrong, plz correct me if so. But that is why he says "many years ago".
There is allot of confusion but Mako did voice Iroh for all of season 2. Mako died while Book 2 was airing but he did finish all his lines weeks before in a studio.
This isn’t helping the confusion as most of Iroh’s lines are Mako but not all of them. Some lines were added after his death and are evidently voiced by his new actor.
18:26 No, it's Sokka and Katara's father, Hakoda. I know you're referring to Bato, who was in the episode "Bato of the Watertribe" in Season 1. With the Shirshu animal tracking Aang and with the ladies with all the perfume. But Bato isn't their uncle, they don't have any aunts or uncles. He is their father's best friend, which in some cultures may be referred to as an uncle, but he is never called their uncle :)
Guru Patik is voiced by prolific actor Brian George who usually plays fathers - he's in The Expanse, Deep Space Nine and The Big Bang Theory amongst other roles. If you want an older Indian/Pakistani gentleman, he's your guy! His role as the Guru is presumably a nod to the fact that Buddhism in China, Japan etc. is thought to have originated in India.
I’ve wondered when the guru says Appa felt betrayed, does that mean Appa felt Suki betrayed him? There are plenty of times that show Appa understands human language, and even if not, surely he would understand that Suki wanted him to run.
The show isnt afraid to explore the idea of someone understanding the logic behind something but still being hurt that it happened, especially later on in S3 Ep1, and I feel that could be what Appa feels about that.
Watch The Original "Conan The Barbarian" If You Wish To See Mako In All His Magnificent Glory. Hell... His Is The First Voice Of The Movie. And He Totally Sets The Tone Of The Flick.
Mako does voice most of Iroh’s lines for the rest of Book 2, but there were some late stage changes to the script that were voiced by Greg. Just to help clarify. The idea that Mako voiced everything up to that episode then everything after is Greg is wrong on every level.
@@TukaihaHithlec Oh man. After getting notified about you’re reply to me, I went ahead and started reading comments on the video for whatever reason and I’m VERY surprised that pretty much every comment I read was also clarifying he does finish S2 (well except for a couple lines I suppose? I didn’t know that till you said it.) Because this is the first time I’ve ever seen a comment section for this episode that’s not 98% of comments saying “Tales of Ba Sing Se” was the last time he voiced Iroh. And tbh I must’ve not read the comments to this video back when I made this original comment, I think I just assumed it was more of the same with the fans giving out wrong info to reactors. Lol So I suppose what I’m getting at is I’m pleasantly surprised to see so many comments trying to correct the record, this the first time I’ve seen that from the ATLA community and gives me some hope. (Lol Because in all honestly while I absolutely love ATLA, there’s a good degree of the fandom that drives me absolutely wild with how much either misinformation or head cannon that they like to state as facts to reactors… that and how often they will just spoil character archs for pretty much every character. *Specially* Zuko’s…)
@@TukaihaHithlec lol Sorry for the mini rant there at the end, just something that’s always gotten under my skin while reading ATLA comments on reaction channels… which is why I’ve pretty much stopped completely now.
@@Austin.KilgoreNo worries lol I’m one of those fans who had every reason to watch when it was airing, but for some reason only finally watched recently. Unsurprisingly, I loved it! But I have noticed how weird some fans can be. I left that reply to you specifically because there’s one person in particular here insisting that the true events are wrong and that the common misinformation is correct. I just wanted to add another voice nudging anyone who reads this later in the right direction. If you e read some other comments, you likely already saw that Greg voiced Iroh in the ball through the window part in Tales of Ba Sing Se. As I recall, Mako is exclusively credited as Iroh for the remainder of the season, but when Greg is credited in additional voices it’s because he played Iroh at least a little in any given episode.
You say “episodes” but there’s one single episode like this, and it still has dialogue throughout it. Aang, Toph, the Sandbenders, Circus trainer, the kid, audience, the Kiyoshi warriors, Azula, Guru Patik. They all have dialogue.
EP 15 or Tales of Ba Sing Se is the last recording of Mako. The creator ask him in his deathbed if he want to record the episode, and he said yes. Before this, he already finished the recording of Book 2. another fact : In Tales of Iroh, when kids playing football and hit the big guy's window, that was Greg Baldwin, who voiced Iroh in book 3. They use his voice for that scene. Idk, maybe tricking fans that no changing of Iroh voice. Which did the trick.
They devoted a story to Momo & then a whole episode to Appa. No other show can do that with characters that doesn't even speak. And to have 2 back to back episodes with the same ending and still keeping it emotional. This is the greatest show ever. Can't wait to see what you're gonna try to guess next.
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If you watch closely, when Appa arrives in Ba Sing Se, two of the pygmy pumas are on a roof and saw him. Those two plus another are the same ones that guided Momo to Appa's footprint. Also they are symbolic of the guardians of the underworld/afterlife.
Just a note about iroh voice actor. The new voice actor doesn’t come in until book 3, Mako completed voicing season 2 before he died, it’s just that tales of ba sing se was the last episode he recorded but not the last that he is in.
The new voice actor does some lines in book 2 as well. I think one example is in episode 15 when he sees some kids break a window and says "It is usually best to admit mistakes when they occur, and seek to restore honor!"
@@TheMrPeteChannel Yes he does but it is uncredited. If you listen closely it is clearly not Mako but Greg Baldwin.
@@TheMrPeteChannel Yeah its easy to distinguish between Greg and Mako, Greg sounds a bit "off" but very similar.
@@TheMrPeteChannel If you use ears it's pretty easy to tell it's not Mako.
I don't know why Avatar fans are like this. Most reactors that get bombarded with the news of Iroh's VA always end up thinking that he doesn't voice anything in the rest of book 2. ATLA fans either love to blatantly lie or are just blatantly bad at explaining things. And not just the Iroh thing.
Abligatory comment about how this episode won an award for its depiction of animal cruelty in the circus. This one breaks my heart Appa is my favorite not an exaggeration. Watching him go through so much and the trauma he now holds. He is the Goodest of boys.
*Obligatory spelling correction. ;)
@@somecallmetim2112 you know as good as autocorrect is, my dyslexia still beats it sometimes.
Hi guys. Enjoy your reactions. A few things:
The circus was not in the city. He was sold to the fire nation. It. was likely in the Earth Kingdom but somewhere else under Fire Nation control. Maybe near Omashu or Heru's village or basically anywhere else they had conquered. Ba Sing Se is literally the last stronghold left from Fire Nation takeover so the rest of the Earth Kingdom is fair game to have a Fire Nation circus.
Iroh does not know anything about Appa's whereabouts. He has no idea that Aang is in the city at this point nor does he know that the the and Appa have been separated. He and Zuko were on the ferry headed to Ba Sing Se when Appa flew in the opposite direction. He didn't want Zuko to know he had seen it and revert back to trying to capture the Avatar, thereby falling back into his obsession which would put them in more danger and derail their trip.
It must have been in the Fire Nation held territory near the desert - they were trying to sell Appa quickly, as he was trouble.
Also, the picture of Iroh son under the tree was an actual picture of Mako himself when he was young.
I didn't know this, thank you
Iroh’s voice actor (Mako, not Miko) did voice all his lines for the season before he passed. The new actor started in Book 3.
Except for the notable line when the kids break the window, you can hear its Greg Baldwin (despite not being credited)
Guru Patik , when he sensed Aang's location through Appa looked something similar like what the swamp benders taught Aang about people being connected... just shows how their bond is strong, even having same dreams
Dee Bradley Baker, the voice of Appa, is an absolute voice acting legend. How he manages to convey so much emotion in wordless grunts and growls is astounding.
The final stage of being an Avatar fan is to wanting to hug Iroh and drink a cup of tea with him. Congratulations 😢😊
Man that would be an honor
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Guys, you're over-thinking it/missing the point. The merchants had considered selling Appa to Ba Sing Se; but after the trouble he caused them, they decided to offload him somewhere close (the circus) instead.
The circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se (Northeastern Earth Kingdom), but in the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom (western region of the continent). Everyone in that circus audience was of Fire Nation ancestry (note the red clothing). The Fire Nation had invaded and taken those regions from the Earth Kingdom
This is what happens when YT creators don't take notes.
If Aang ever met that circus master and knew what he did to Appa he would’ve ended up like that buzzard-wasp in The Desert
This episode won a Human Society Genesis Award in how it depicted the mistreatment of animals in the fire nation circus
Not in this life - did you see how high that guy got thrown out of the tent? Dude was briefly and earthbender, now a spiritbender ;)
"Dude Appa wreck him man, just destro-"... :O Such a good scene hahaha
Appa balances out Aang's pacifism with how much violence he chooses 😂
One thing I love about this episode is that it really showcases just how much Aang and Appa truly NEED each other. They (and Momo) are essentially their own little family unit (Same way Sokka and Katara are) and being separated messes with all of their psyche. It breaks my heart so much to know that all 3 are probably in constant fear for each other (Though Aang is the type to try not to let his pain and fear control him too much), especially after losing the rest of their people, it shows how much it impacted not just Aang but also Appa to not have any familiarity around. It also shows just a hint of what it must have been like for the other Air Nomads and Bison when the fire nation attacked, imagine all of them going through something similar to what Appa did, omg, really makes me wanna cry!
Thanks for the reaction guys!
The beetle merchants said they were gonna take him to Ba Sing Se but after the escape attempt they knew they couldn't contain him long enough for the journey, so they sold him to the circus in the closest Fire Nation Colony🤷♀️
this episode won a Genesis Award, for producing outstanding works which raise public awareness of animal issues. You really feel for Appa, every animal has feelings just like him.
The circus is probably in one of the Fire Nation colonies located in the Earth Kingdom.
Make that definitely.
Given the proximity from the circus to Wan Shi Tong's library, it couldn't be anywhere else.
The circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se. It was either in the fire nation or, more likely, a fire nation colony in the Earth kingdom. Love the reactions!
Mako had finished voicing all of Book 2, before he passed, there are only 3 uncredited lines for the incoming voice actor in the book. People often say Tales of Ba Sing Se was the last episode he voiced, but that’s not accurate. It was one of the first episodes to be edited after his passing, and was the most appropriate to give tribute. It’s become common rumour that the episode was the last one he recorded due to the tribute being in that episode but it’s not actually correct.
That & he was on his death bed.
It makes me sad every time I see a bunch of misinformation of surrounding Makos death and avatar
Surprised Pudgey didn't cry. I remember my younger sister being in tears when Appa was at his lowest point in the cave😂
As a child it broke my spirit. This was heavy content for my age group 🥺
Mako did voice most of book 2, but you could already hear the new voice actor in some lines in Tales of Ba Sing Se. The new voice actor is Greg Baldwin, he is actually a voice double for Mako and took over Mako's parts in some other shows as well after his passing (e.g. Samurai Jack). You can really only hear the difference between the two if you really pay attention.
Greg Baldwin only did Book 3 Iroh. Stop spreading false information.
@@TheMrPeteChannel No he didn't friend, its not false information. People dont get credited accurately all the time in the movie industries.
@@TheMrPeteChannelCertain lines from Iroh, such as when the kids send the ball through the window, are clearly not Mako if you listen for it. Whenever Greg Baldwin is credited under “Additional Voices” during Book 2, it’s because he voiced Iroh for some part of the episode.
Spreading misinformation while calling the actual truth misinformation yourself is good for nothing.
A thing I liked in this episode is showing that Fire Nation boy who resembled Aang. Even the Fire Nation has kind and pure hearted kids like Aang.
The fire nation circus at the start was not in Ba Sing Se. the beetle merchants wanted to sell Appa to BSS but after Appa’s mini rampage they sold him somewhere else instead which was that Fire Nation circus
Yeah - I think the show could have done a better job of explaining that, to be fair :D
First-time viewers would have drawn no other inference based on what the Beetle-headed merchants said.
Yeah, the bug people were like, "let's sell him in Ba Sing Se" but he's in the Ty Lee circus instead.
@@TheMrPeteChannel I was wondering if it was the same circus as Ty Lee's.
@@KelappanKing I mean, unless they use their eyes.
Funny enough, Iroh's new VA (Greg Baldwin) was in Tales of Ba Sing Se; he appears when the kids break the window, and tells them to cheese it.
I usually skip watching reactors do this one, but you both are two of my favorites to react to this show, so I had to, and yes I still cried! Such an emotional episode, and CANNOT WAIT to see you react to the rest of this season and show!
When he asked if the sand bender was an earth bender I almost fainted. Yes the sand benders are part of the earth nation, the desert lies just north of the swamp and south of ba sing se. But because there is no solid rock out there they bend the small tiny particles of earth they do have.
The circus is not in ba sing se. After the escape attempt the beetle headed merchants decided just to go to a part of the earth nation that had been conquered by the fire nation (“the colonies” you’ll hear them referred to as later) because that area was closer to the desert than ba sing se, because they knew appa wouldn’t be calm the whole way to ba sing se
That just made me think that sand benders have the potential to metal bend
To clarify for anyone who sees this and doesn’t know, Mako finished baseline recordings for S2, but dialogue can be added or changed after that and they bring the voice actors back. In this case, Greg Baldwin did that for Iroh as Mako died in between, so a few new or changed lines are Greg in S2, but most are still Mako.
Mako, Iroh's oiriginal voice actor, finished voicing Iroh in all of Book 2, I'm pretty sure. His new voice actor comes on in Book 3. The "In Honor of Mako" text was just put there because that was around the time Mako died, and it was the perfect scene to put it in.
The new actor takes over in Book 3, but is already voicing occasional lines in Book 2, even as early as Tales of Ba Sing Se. If you can’t hear the difference, you still know whenever Greg Baldwin is credited under “Additional Voices” that he voiced Iroh at least a bit in any given episode. Mako finished voicing most of Iroh, but some parts were added after his death. I think they always intended to have the scene with Iroh at Lu Ten’s grave, but it ended up being perfect for the tribute.
Minor spoiler warning:
Greg Baldwin, who voices Iroh after Mako passed does a great job in season 3. If you really listen you can tell a difference, but I didn't notice my first time through. It's obviously okay to be sad, but don't be worried about it!
The new voice actor won't fully show up until season 3. Mako was able to finish season 2
He does a few lines in S2, "It is usually best to admit mistakes when they occur" But yes, Mako died between finishing this season and its airing.
Without spoiling anything, You'll notice Iroh is pretty silent during the first few episodes of season 3, while they were working on his replacement. Greg Baldwin, the replacement actor, does an amazing job however.
And yes, Greg Baldwin refuses to sing Leaves from the Vine when asked at conventions and stuff. "That's Mako's song" is what he says.
@@HarukaLPs I think they refrained from using Greg because he couldn't sound as accurate as Mako maybe? But as hes in season 2, they wouldnt be looking for a replacement in season 3. Also even though you mean well, both this comment and yours talking about him being silent in the first few episodes is still slightly spoilery unfortunately aha
@@HarukaLPs He was always intended to be silent in those scenes. It had nothing to do with changing actors.
The Circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se
They really managed to make us fall in love with a flying bison. Appa's journey back to Aang is so sad 🥺 Love this episode and reaction! ❤️
I think the consensus is that the voice actor of iroh finished all of book 2, and the new voice actors does book 3 , they may have gone back and recorded some of the new voice actor voice and slipped it in to little parts of book 2 just to get a smother transition but not sure
I don't know why this false information keeps going on but Mako & only mako did Iroh in all of Book. He did it all in studio & wasn't on his death bed. Greg Baldwin never met or worked with Iroh & only voiced Iroh in Book 3.
@@TheMrPeteChannel didn’t say he did it on his breath bed , I just said the new one does book 3 , I wasn’t 100% sure with the other info I just pointed out that it’s a possibility that they got him to record a few lines and the slipped it in
@@TheMrPeteChannelI don’t know why people like you keep pushing that false information, especially to people who came to correct it. Only Mako is given credit for playing Iroh for the rest of Book 2, but I have to wonder who you think Greg Baldwin plays in Book 2 when he has credits in episodes where Iroh’s voice sounds different?
After all of Mako’s lines were recorded they do another pass where they re-record/change/add/remove lines to refine the dialogue, then the voice actors come back for that. Unfortunately, Mako died before this point, so these lines are voiced by Greg.
The girl is right. Iroh definitely infers that Apa and the avatar are in basing se.. and also wants to keep it from zuko.. the magic of this show is to be able to convey so much in such a small scene.. but it is simple and 100% deliberate. It was something like two stills… just amazing story telling.
Fun fact: "This episode won a Humane Society Genesis Award for its depiction of animal cruelty"
To be clear, Appa's time in the Fire Nation circus was not his time in Ba Sing Se. We aren't exactly sure where he is but it wouldn't be crazy to assume Appa was in the Fire Nation at the time. The audience members and the vendors were clearly Fire Nation judging by their clothes, food, mannerisms, etc.
However, recall that the Fire Nation has such power that they can just waltz right into any Earth Kingdom village and encounter little to no resistance. There are tons of Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom and over the course of the last 100 years there are even mixed families between the Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom if you can believe it. Ba Sing Se remains the only Earth Kingdom stronghold that has not fallen, and until it does, the Fire Nation cannot truly claim victory in the 100 year war. The Water Tribe might still be kicking but not only are they not a threat and are uninvolved in the war but they were dealt a serious blow at the end of S1 nonetheless. Nobody would call them an active member of the war.
The emotion sounded so raw when Mako sang Leaves from the Vine because he knew he was on his death bed and this would be his goodbye to the series.
This episode won an award for bringing awareness to animal cruelty
In Germany this episode was just called "Poor Appa" lol
Fitting
the circus wasn’t in ba sing se, just somewhere close to the desert
This was a great appasode
The guru that Appa met is Guru Patik. He is very old because he was friends with aang's guardian monk gyatso.
Keep him in mind
Appa flew by sokka and Katara's dad (the water tribe ship)
The circus Appa was in was still in the earth kingdom, part of a fire nation colony
Fun Fact: Guru Pathik uses the same way to read energy and find Aang as Aang does in the swamp episode to find Appa&Momo.
The tales of ba sing se was the episode that broke me just because iroh reminds me of my uncle and knowing the voice actor passed away while watching that episode was just like… too much… on top of it my uncle has cancer and I just started bawling I couldn’t stop crying until I talked to him…
Edit I’m crying thinking about it
Here and in the swamp episode, we see very small (but badass) seeds being sewn of a very special type of bending. Energy bending. Only the most spiritual and most “in tune” people and beings can do it. It will pop up later also
Pudgey as usual is correct about Iroh knowing the avatar and Appa are close by. They were sailing to Ba sing se in that scene. There is not a lot around ba sing se except the fire nation colonies, or the desert. And the eastern air temple way out in the mountains. So it’s not that hard to assume Iroh put two and two together and assumes the avatar / appa will be in ba sing se. It is also the biggest city in the world and the capital of the earth nation, so it’s easy to assume almost anyone you meet in that part of the world is going to ba sing se.
My emotions before this episode: Happy, hopefull, excited
My emotions after this episode: Sad, depressed, Sad
It's sokka's dad Hakota, chief of the southern tribe.
You can tell wether or not they are in the fire nation or fire nation colonies by their clothes. The circus was probably in the fire nation colonies NOT Ba Sing Se.
This episode 🥲
Omg so cool to see you picked up on that detail!! 😄 7:38 many reactors usually don’t!
Actually I've never noticed that before this video 😮
i am SHOCKED Pudgey that you don't drink tea. i always drank tea but after i rewatched ATLA a couple of years ago i started LOVING tea just because of Iroh. there is a type of tea out there for everyone, you just didn't find yours yet. and it doesn't have to be pure like when you're a kid and you're ill and your mum makes you drink some weird root tea. it can be anything and you can add milk or honey or both to tune it to your liking. my recommendation is jasmine tea. they have it multiple times in this show :)
Does Azula’s voice, not any other aspect😂, remind anyone else of Jessie from Team Rocket?
The circus wasn't actually /in/ Ba Sing Se. ^^ But I can see how the confusion occurred.
Love this episode, definitely a standout in the whole series.
the circus wasn't in Ba Sing Se. More likely the Beatle-head merchant crossed paths with the circus on the way to Ba Sing Se and sold Appa at the first opportunity.
Mako also did aku from Samurai jack
Just curious, do you guys watch the “previously on avatar” segment at the start of each episode ? I feel it helps as a bit of a reminder for the stuff that is coming up in the current episode without spoiling anything.
Tho you gotta be careful with them, sometimes by the things they remind you, you can pretty much guess what will happen in the episode, which kinda is a spoiler
we dont because it kinda spoils by hinting at which characters/events are relevant in the episode. we are usually fine to remember what happened last time
@@SpartanandPudgey I agree, it can sometimes spoil pertinent information that will obviously be brought back
This episode always hits me in the feels 💛
It's amazing how they took a character that doesn't speak and made us really love a whole episode about the poor guy. Also a special shout out to Dee Bradley Baker who is the voice of Appa (as well as a billion other voice acted rolls, especially creatures and monsters)
Haha the slogan for this channel should be “I knew it!” 😂
No pudgey was right it was when they were on the ferry to ba sing se that iroh saw appa
Tales if ba singh se, and appa's lost days are sooo good. Two of the top 5 most creative episodes. My personal favorite type of episode.
Spartan wishing the sad scenes were more drawn out like in anime made feel like i need to give another reminder that this is a kid's show. Kids have a short attention span for sad things in shows, if they made this show for Spartan it'd just be another anime, but they didn't it's a kids show. I'm pretty sure it aired on Nickelodeon lol.
I read somewhere that the Guru saw a vision of helping Aang 100 years back and he waited for him in the temple since then. Idk if it s wrong, plz correct me if so. But that is why he says "many years ago".
Guru Patik is 150 years old when he finally met Aang.
@Mr. Pete Channel has reached the big time! I see, thanx for the clarification 😊
and you thought things were bad for Appa before this lol
iroh voice actor finished the season
Iroh helped a toddler, a child, a teen, and an adult. All in chronological order.
14:53 very close... it's called a boar-q-pine 😅
She was right iroh did see apparently and didn't tell zuko
Mako, pronounced maw-koh. Finished recording season 2, but passed away before season 3.
This episode won an award from the humane society for its portrayal of the treatment of circus animals.
It's okay, Greg Baldwin doing great replacing Mako to voiced Iroh, even Cartoon Network trusted him too replacing Mako on Samurai Jack
The circus isn't in ba sing se. It's in the fire nation colonies in the earth kingdom
There is allot of confusion but Mako did voice Iroh for all of season 2. Mako died while Book 2 was airing but he did finish all his lines weeks before in a studio.
This isn’t helping the confusion as most of Iroh’s lines are Mako but not all of them. Some lines were added after his death and are evidently voiced by his new actor.
This episode always makes me cry😭💔
The hog is either a boarcupine or porcuswine. No one is really sure.
I love you guy’s reactions!!!
18:26 No, it's Sokka and Katara's father, Hakoda. I know you're referring to Bato, who was in the episode "Bato of the Watertribe" in Season 1. With the Shirshu animal tracking Aang and with the ladies with all the perfume. But Bato isn't their uncle, they don't have any aunts or uncles. He is their father's best friend, which in some cultures may be referred to as an uncle, but he is never called their uncle :)
This one is hard to watch-poor Appa 😢 But I loved your reaction and can’t wait for the next!!
Ahh, the boarcupine
Looks kinda like Zuko
Let's cry again.
The circus wasn’t in the city
Guru Patik is voiced by prolific actor Brian George who usually plays fathers - he's in The Expanse, Deep Space Nine and The Big Bang Theory amongst other roles. If you want an older Indian/Pakistani gentleman, he's your guy! His role as the Guru is presumably a nod to the fact that Buddhism in China, Japan etc. is thought to have originated in India.
Poor Appa😭
Can't wait for you to see the next chapter
I’ve wondered when the guru says Appa felt betrayed, does that mean Appa felt Suki betrayed him? There are plenty of times that show Appa understands human language, and even if not, surely he would understand that Suki wanted him to run.
The show isnt afraid to explore the idea of someone understanding the logic behind something but still being hurt that it happened, especially later on in S3 Ep1, and I feel that could be what Appa feels about that.
I love your guys reaction to atla after you guys finish this you should give legend of Korra a try it’s so goodddddd
Avatar: Do you love Appa? Do you miss him? Do you want nothing but the best for our sweet boy? Well buckle up, Buttercup.
Spartan is the first person who doesn't like Ty Lee 😂
I don't either lol
Same, she's a ditz.
Her "Youre not prettier than us" line is so stupid though
Watch The Original "Conan The Barbarian" If You Wish To See Mako In All His Magnificent Glory. Hell... His Is The First Voice Of The Movie. And He Totally Sets The Tone Of The Flick.
Irons VA finished season 2…. Idk why people always tell reactors that was his last episode/scene. It’s just simply not true.
Mako does voice most of Iroh’s lines for the rest of Book 2, but there were some late stage changes to the script that were voiced by Greg. Just to help clarify. The idea that Mako voiced everything up to that episode then everything after is Greg is wrong on every level.
@@TukaihaHithlec Oh man. After getting notified about you’re reply to me, I went ahead and started reading comments on the video for whatever reason and I’m VERY surprised that pretty much every comment I read was also clarifying he does finish S2 (well except for a couple lines I suppose? I didn’t know that till you said it.) Because this is the first time I’ve ever seen a comment section for this episode that’s not 98% of comments saying “Tales of Ba Sing Se” was the last time he voiced Iroh. And tbh I must’ve not read the comments to this video back when I made this original comment, I think I just assumed it was more of the same with the fans giving out wrong info to reactors. Lol So I suppose what I’m getting at is I’m pleasantly surprised to see so many comments trying to correct the record, this the first time I’ve seen that from the ATLA community and gives me some hope.
(Lol Because in all honestly while I absolutely love ATLA, there’s a good degree of the fandom that drives me absolutely wild with how much either misinformation or head cannon that they like to state as facts to reactors… that and how often they will just spoil character archs for pretty much every character. *Specially* Zuko’s…)
@@TukaihaHithlec lol Sorry for the mini rant there at the end, just something that’s always gotten under my skin while reading ATLA comments on reaction channels… which is why I’ve pretty much stopped completely now.
@@Austin.KilgoreNo worries lol I’m one of those fans who had every reason to watch when it was airing, but for some reason only finally watched recently. Unsurprisingly, I loved it! But I have noticed how weird some fans can be. I left that reply to you specifically because there’s one person in particular here insisting that the true events are wrong and that the common misinformation is correct. I just wanted to add another voice nudging anyone who reads this later in the right direction. If you e read some other comments, you likely already saw that Greg voiced Iroh in the ball through the window part in Tales of Ba Sing Se. As I recall, Mako is exclusively credited as Iroh for the remainder of the season, but when Greg is credited in additional voices it’s because he played Iroh at least a little in any given episode.
_No one calls Ty Lee an idiot in my presence._
Crazy how good these writers are at making episodes with no dialogue that keep you invested
You say “episodes” but there’s one single episode like this, and it still has dialogue throughout it. Aang, Toph, the Sandbenders, Circus trainer, the kid, audience, the Kiyoshi warriors, Azula, Guru Patik. They all have dialogue.
EP 15 or Tales of Ba Sing Se is the last recording of Mako. The creator ask him in his deathbed if he want to record the episode, and he said yes. Before this, he already finished the recording of Book 2.
another fact : In Tales of Iroh, when kids playing football and hit the big guy's window, that was Greg Baldwin, who voiced Iroh in book 3. They use his voice for that scene. Idk, maybe tricking fans that no changing of Iroh voice. Which did the trick.
Did you know This episode won a Humane Society Genesis Award for its depiction of animal cruelty in the Fire Nation circus😢❤
"You don't want this fight." Appa to the Porcupine Pig.
I prefer to think of it as a Pork-upine
It's a Boar-Q-Pine.
They devoted a story to Momo & then a whole episode to Appa. No other show can do that with characters that doesn't even speak. And to have 2 back to back episodes with the same ending and still keeping it emotional. This is the greatest show ever. Can't wait to see what you're gonna try to guess next.
Spartan 💪🏼
Would you react to Wakfu ?
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