Congratulations Max for your olimpic gold medal, I've been through a cancer and I know it is, hope you day catch up in the moutains, you´re such an inspiration!
We're going to see lots more of these in the coming weeks. Loads of riders have been working on them but not publicising the fact because of the backlash they would get from the trolls. Billy Morgan has taken a shit load of flak over his quad and now I bet Max will as well. But the genie is out of the bottle... bring it on.
No one calls a backflip a 360 but a backflip counts as 360 degree rotation. For example a backside rodeo 5 is basicly a backflip(360) with an added 180 which makes it a 540. Same cocept for the quad underflip.....
You can't count vertical flips as horizontal spins. That's basic physics. That would be like calling a double kickflip in skateboarding a 720 shove-it. It's a quad backflip 180. Nothing more.
@@cz1239 Thats not how they calculate rotations though except in circles that want to sound more impressive. "Rotations" on a snowboard means on the yaw axis, period, thats how its been done as long as boardings been around. Also this is not an underflip, its a backflip plain and simple, just 4 of them and a late 180
Yeah its a quad backflip but not a 1620. That really does not count as rotations. Look at the board. Its not spinning at all. I mean its somehow a little bit corked but no spins.
no because when you count ehse king od rotation you have to add 360 for every flip too :) so you're right it's either a quadruple backflip 180 or it's a quadruple 1620 underflip ( 360x4 + 180 )
Freestyle snowboarding and newschool freestyle skiing count rotations in a bizarre way. Flip counts as spins if you use certain trick names like ''rodeo'' and ''underflip''. Also, Shaun White's double McTwist is not 2 McTwists chained together. It's more of a McTwist to Rodeo or something. Snowboarding seriously has the worst nomenclature. I remember having many debates about trick names. The thing is, we were all correct. This is a Quad Underflip 1620, a Quad Eggroll 180, a Quad Backflip 180... Just depends where you grew up.
Yes,if your rotation is toward board axis like a rolling barrel,it's called backflip barrel roll lately called for shortly underflip.Regular backflip is aka Wildcat.
Holy fuck the amount of people who have no idea what they're talking about makes me cringe. Doing a backflip is a 360 degree rotation vertically, as opposed to the tradition "360" which is horizontal. Therefore, 360x4=1440, plus the 180 making it an underflip, adds to a total of 1620. It's painful to see how many people complain that it's not a 1620 because they didn't see him spin.
@Justin Jones you couldn't be more wrong. I'm a skier and I still get it. If you do an underflip five, did you really do a five? Yes. 360 degrees of flip with a one eighty. All max did was four 360 degree flips with a 180 at the end. Common core leads me to believe that equals 1620.
So much debate as to what this trick is/should be called. I think we can be fairly safe in saying it's not a 'cork' as that is more difficult and as such would be included within the description + a corked underflip would probably look like an out of control helicopter. So, if it's not corked, what two different x4 rotations are happening to warrant them both being described separately?
Anyone else like to talk about physics and reality and know that he is just spinning on the Yaw Axis by 90* frontside - Then performing 4 backflips "pitch" (snowboarders call underflips) - Then doing another 90* on the Yaw and landing..... Anyone else see the problems here with uneducated people thinking he spins on two different axis at the same time?? Sorry to burst the bubble. But his left arm shows the entire trick... Meaning he never changed position on the Yaw Axis.....
NO one wants to comment, after a sport scientists says it's 100% bullshit calling this a Quad Underflip 1620"? lol okay.. It's like all the stoners can't think or something.
But if you follow the tail end of the board it looks as if it does 4 full rotation. It does look a little weird but each flip counts as a 360 and he ends the trick with an 180.
I'll teach you.. www.tech-mp.com/TH-2_manual_figures/FC_AXIS.gif www.snowboard-coach.com/Snowboarding-Tricks.html So, moving down hill in your stance. Means that you are twisting at the waste to look forward, while your feet are (left foot front, right foot back). Your body is following the x axis. So when he Hits the ramp, his right foot rotates to be parallel to his left foot. Putting his board perpendicular to the movement. (like when you stop, you twist the board to the frontside or backside to catch the lip in the snow to slow yourself or stop) So he Twisted his body on the Z axis, which is a frontside 90* spin, to get his body so that his front is facing down range. He does NOT spin more than 90*, he stays at this exact Zaxis and then Rotates on the Xaxis to do 4 backflips.... That's all he is doing. He did a frontside 90, into a quad backflip rotation, never spinning on the Zaxis again, until right before his landing, to finish another 90* for a total of 180* spin on the Zaxis.... That's why you can see his Army patch and nose the WHOLE time when he is spinning, becuase he is ONLY spinning on ONE axis............. Sports Science.
Oh my, I was just looking at the tail end of the board the whole time. But you're right when looking at the patch the whole time it just means that he only finished the 180 at the end. It is still a very impressive trick though. I wonder why the whole monster snowboarding team is recognizing it as a 1620...
Because most riders are literally stupid when it comes to education and common knowledge. So to make it more exciting, they name the trick twice, then pretend it's more than what it really is.. :D It's a Quad Backflip, still cool, but has been done back in the 60's. :D
There was nothing 1620 about that. I feel like you have to spin to claim 1620. There was no more spinning in this than in a regular underflip, so it's a quad 540 (actually a quad backflip 180). No one would be that excited about a quad backflip, but you throw in a 180 and suddenly it's a legit quad?
Trotter you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. If this were a video about wearing trendy beards and stupid hats, then you could make an expert comment, for sure. The whole "underflip" name is stupid, anyway. This is a bunch of backflips
That's sick but I hate how any invert that's even tweaked out a little bit gets 360 degrees added to it per flip. It really detracts from the guys who are actually corking because by these standards, an off axis back flip is classified the same (or similarly) as a genuine cork.
I get that its an underflip but when you say 1620 am I missing something? I see 4 underflips/backflips but Im missing the 1620... Is it just Monday? is it 420? Haha
Æzen I get what you mean, I've always understood but what annoys me is you're basically claiming the trick twice, by saying 4x backflip and the 4x360 in one phrase. Or am I being stupid and missing something?
Æzen everybody expects something different if they read 1620. Trick names are rubbish in snowboarding. But this trick is still sick! It doesnt matter how the trick is called. If u take it very serious, he did a 90° at the takeoff :)
***** Yea, I don't really like it either tbh. I think it'd be better just leaving out any call on degrees if there's no horizontal part to a trick. There's only ever multiples of 360 you can throw in a flip trick... unless you wanna face plant the landing haha. So yea, I'd prefer just callin em dub, triple or quad flips if that's all they do. Same with cork spins. Call the degree they do horizontal + cork, or dub cork, etc if they put in some vertical spin. Though it doesn't seem to be the way they count em.
i dont understand how that can be 1620 if the board didn't rotate much in the horizontal axis. He turned like 90º in the beginning and at the end made a 90º turn so its like 180 º and 4 flips. Switch quadflip 180
Underflips are backflips.. well yeah. And 4 "backflips" × 360° rotation = 1440° and then + 180° = 1620° This just what they do.. probably because it's easier to call a trick by numbers than remembering words
Kyle Ward If you would count a backflip as 360° rotation, this would mean that if I make a switch backflip/underflip I could deem myself master of a switch 540 underflip, right?
YOOO.TV Action Sports Television yeah... doesn't make a whole lot of sense to repeat itself. I don't why they do that now of days.. there's just a ton of confusion with the "what do they call this now?" Probably clarification of the amount of rotations. So consider like extra information... that's what I'm guessing to use it at?
YOOO.TV Action Sports Television there's no such thing as a cab 180. Cab means fakie 360+, taking off fakie would mean riding switch but ollieing off what would normally be your back foot. switch sideslip quadruple backflip 90.
+VzzSO It's a different trick becuase and underflip is that style of a trick. itd be a quad cork if he put more spin in it like billy morgan or that new guy
Tyler Hildebrand Well yea, but you did see rotation. 4 x 360 vertical (flip) rotations and a 180 = 1620. I think it's fair to give it the 1620 title. Rotation is just in a different axis to a 'standard' spin.
With off-axis or inverted spins you count the degrees of spin on all axes. So each flip is 360. It's easier to see and understand from less inverted ones like a cork. This is why there is no rodeo 180; it starts at rodeo 5
tompatompsson In every other sport which names tricks based on rotation, rotations along the vertical axis are counted separately from the horizontal axis. A flip is a flip, a 360° is a 360°. In skateboarding if the board flips once, and rotates horizontally once it's a 360 kickflip. In diving, if a person flips twice forwards landing in a dive and spins once it's a 360 two and a half. Adding the horizontal rotations to the vertical rotations is moronic, and redundant. If you take out the preface of calling it a quadruple flip saying quadflip already accounts for the vertical rotations, all that's left is to describe the horizontal rotations. Saying a Quadruple flip 1620 leads one to believe that there were four vertical rotations, in addition to four and a half horizontal spins, which there weren't. For those of you arguing that he's not rotating along a vertical axis, you're just as shortsighted. He begins from a standing position and ends in one. That's vertical, and the perpendicular axis is always used to describe the other rotations.
ScottWarnerMusic Well it doesn't work like that there is a reason why you say for example 540 rodeo even though it can be a 180 backflip. Saying quadflip 180 in this case would be 4 backflips and then a 180 saying quad 1620 is the correct way of saying it when it comes to skiing and snowboarding simply because in tricks like triple 1620 the rotation is in the flips saying that it's a triple 540 is wrong
tompatompsson I appreciate that that's the method for naming tricks in snowboarding and skiing. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to do it that way, because if you're counting rotation in any other subject in the world, you count rotations on whichever axis you're rotating on. If there are multiple axis of rotation, you count those separately and describe them separately. It's not the convention in winter sports, but that's the only place where rotations are described by combining separate axis of rotation into a singular number. To me, it's redundant, as you're qualifying the rotations as flips, and then adding the perpendicular rotations to the total, which means in order to figure out the horizontal rotations, you need to subtract the vertical ones from the total. It's easier, more descriptive, and simple to cut out that step and just call it a quadruple under flip 180, because he made four vertical flips and a one-half horizontal rotation.
Snowboarding takes its tricks from skateboarding. As a skater for 20 years this is not a 1620. Yes its slightly corked, yes its a quad flip, but in no way did this guy "ROTATE" 1620 degrees. Spins and flips are different. They can be combined, yes, but there was no spinning in his flips. To call this a "Switch Quadruple Underflip 1620" is completely wrong. It's a switch quad backflip front 180. Please enlighten me snowboarding community in to why you think one flip should also include a 360 rotated spin when clearly there is no rotation. This is more or less just a dumb way of monster energy and this very talented rider trying to name a NBD. Yes I understand if you cork a backflip 3 its gonna look like you dont spin but SPINS, FLIPS and CORKscrews are different axis of rotation. This is a striahgt up shift back flip movement, a corkscrew is left or right this is clearly back. GET at me HATERS!!!
It is, they've just rebranded everything now to be some kind of insane rotation, and basic backflips are now called underflips. You are 100% correct, its a quad back 180
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I see room for 5 flips. DO IT BITCH
Wow that landing was so clean!!!
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Dammmnnnnn!!!!
I see u
if you see this back the fuck up
+6Foot4Honda what r u doing here?!?!?!
+6Foot4Honda WHEN DID U LIKE SNOWBOARDING?
Congratulations Max for your olimpic gold medal, I've been through a cancer and I know it is, hope you day catch up in the moutains, you´re such an inspiration!
1620spin, 4 rotations, 20th april, landed it 4:20, 20 pockets on hes jacket, sweetspot gap: 42 meters. Coincidence? I think not.
I think you are stoner boy
That is unbelievable!!!!! I never new this day would come this fast! 👌👍🙏👏🙌
First a quad cork and now this... crazy year for snowboarding
We're going to see lots more of these in the coming weeks. Loads of riders have been working on them but not publicising the fact because of the backlash they would get from the trolls. Billy Morgan has taken a shit load of flak over his quad and now I bet Max will as well. But the genie is out of the bottle... bring it on.
Song is 'Canopy Climbers - Blindfold' for anyone who couldn't find it like myself!
In SSX that was called a "???"
GwaveProductions My god I loved that game
GwaveProductions hahahaha playing the original on PS2 I never would have imagined 10 years later it being normal.
I wish that was the first quad... So much cleaner than the others right now
***** It was the first switch quad ;)
Karve quad underflip is a lot different than a quad cork
Michael Dunlevy Yes. Nobody said it was a cork
Michael Dunlevy Yes. Nobody said it was a cork
+Andrew Clark Underflip is also a cork.
Where does the 1620 come from? :/
tastro lon think each flip counts as a 360 degree turn aswell as a flip?, maybe, haha
1620 = 1(6+2)0 = 180
4 BACKFLIPS (4x360) =1440 + 180 for going switch to regular.
kk ty^^
Cuz math
Adrian E. Gonzalez I've never seen such a clean landing for that big of a trick and jump
Man, stay strong! Fight for the life, please!
Absolutely stomped the landing!
more like quad backflip with a 180
***** Although your remark was quippy, no one calls a backflip a 360.
Eric Tergerson unless you're a physicist.
No one calls a backflip a 360 but a backflip counts as 360 degree rotation.
For example a backside rodeo 5 is basicly a backflip(360) with an added 180 which makes it a 540.
Same cocept for the quad underflip.....
+goldwizzard77 A rodeo is not a backflip with a horizontal spin... A rodeo is a left side spin with a right side lincoln (side flip) or vice versa.
@@cole_butter On a snowboard a rodeo is a backflip over the heelside edge with a BS 180 usually near the end of the backflip.
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for all the special kids.... each flip is a 360.. 360*4=1440... plus the 180 spin=1620. Hence Quadruple Underflip 1620
You can't count vertical flips as horizontal spins. That's basic physics. That would be like calling a double kickflip in skateboarding a 720 shove-it. It's a quad backflip 180. Nothing more.
But its not skateboarding. Its snowboarding, and thats how they calculate rotations. I didn't make the rules.
@@cz1239 Thats not how they calculate rotations though except in circles that want to sound more impressive. "Rotations" on a snowboard means on the yaw axis, period, thats how its been done as long as boardings been around. Also this is not an underflip, its a backflip plain and simple, just 4 of them and a late 180
You're the best Max! Have a good 2016 season.
and he is landing this trick like its nothing. so smooth! welld one.
What a beast! *-* This is unreal! Perfect! Magic!
Yeah its a quad backflip but not a 1620. That really does not count as rotations. Look at the board. Its not spinning at all. I mean its somehow a little bit corked but no spins.
no because when you count ehse king od rotation you have to add 360 for every flip too :) so you're right it's either a quadruple backflip 180 or it's a quadruple 1620 underflip ( 360x4 + 180 )
ye ye man its 1620 indeed,fuck that jelous punk
Freestyle snowboarding and newschool freestyle skiing count rotations in a bizarre way. Flip counts as spins if you use certain trick names like ''rodeo'' and ''underflip''. Also, Shaun White's double McTwist is not 2 McTwists chained together. It's more of a McTwist to Rodeo or something. Snowboarding seriously has the worst nomenclature. I remember having many debates about trick names. The thing is, we were all correct. This is a Quad Underflip 1620, a Quad Eggroll 180, a Quad Backflip 180... Just depends where you grew up.
Oh so when i do a backflip im actually doing a 360 underflip? Makes sense...
Yes,if your rotation is toward board axis like a rolling barrel,it's called backflip barrel roll lately called for shortly underflip.Regular backflip is aka Wildcat.
wordless, this is the beauty of snowboarding*O*
YES YES YES
so clean !!!
This is one of the guys we have repping canada. Thats good
Thats amazing, if you can do it on a trampoline they will do it on a snowboard! Props Max!!!!!
Holy fuck the amount of people who have no idea what they're talking about makes me cringe. Doing a backflip is a 360 degree rotation vertically, as opposed to the tradition "360" which is horizontal. Therefore, 360x4=1440, plus the 180 making it an underflip, adds to a total of 1620. It's painful to see how many people complain that it's not a 1620 because they didn't see him spin.
@Justin Jones you couldn't be more wrong. I'm a skier and I still get it. If you do an underflip five, did you really do a five? Yes. 360 degrees of flip with a one eighty. All max did was four 360 degree flips with a 180 at the end. Common core leads me to believe that equals 1620.
Jake Prichard So what you say is that it is an 1620 he is taking.. and not undeflip(s)
flawless execution
That's a good answer to RedBull !
That's so hard to do and that was absolutely perfect.
Respect that was epic ...
I ski, and this is insane.
That moment when he starts to go out of sight but still has to make the 4th rotation. Chills.
OMG... absolutely amazing! But it's certainly no ''1620''... he spun 90° then flipped 4 times before rotating the other 90°
Damn that looks sooooo awesome
Unreal
To avoid disputes about degrees, you can call it Parrot`s quad backflip.
it was amazing!!!
So much debate as to what this trick is/should be called. I think we can be fairly safe in saying it's not a 'cork' as that is more difficult and as such would be included within the description + a corked underflip would probably look like an out of control helicopter. So, if it's not corked, what two different x4 rotations are happening to warrant them both being described separately?
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oi shit all that herb put you in the right place? amazing. two thumps up.
He almost reach tail grab! Dubble grab will look insane :) Next time :)
Anyone else like to talk about physics and reality and know that he is just spinning on the Yaw Axis by 90* frontside - Then performing 4 backflips "pitch" (snowboarders call underflips) - Then doing another 90* on the Yaw and landing.....
Anyone else see the problems here with uneducated people thinking he spins on two different axis at the same time??
Sorry to burst the bubble. But his left arm shows the entire trick... Meaning he never changed position on the Yaw Axis.....
NO one wants to comment, after a sport scientists says it's 100% bullshit calling this a Quad Underflip 1620"? lol okay.. It's like all the stoners can't think or something.
But if you follow the tail end of the board it looks as if it does 4 full rotation. It does look a little weird but each flip counts as a 360 and he ends the trick with an 180.
I'll teach you..
www.tech-mp.com/TH-2_manual_figures/FC_AXIS.gif
www.snowboard-coach.com/Snowboarding-Tricks.html
So, moving down hill in your stance. Means that you are twisting at the waste to look forward, while your feet are (left foot front, right foot back). Your body is following the x axis.
So when he Hits the ramp, his right foot rotates to be parallel to his left foot. Putting his board perpendicular to the movement. (like when you stop, you twist the board to the frontside or backside to catch the lip in the snow to slow yourself or stop)
So he Twisted his body on the Z axis, which is a frontside 90* spin, to get his body so that his front is facing down range. He does NOT spin more than 90*, he stays at this exact Zaxis and then Rotates on the Xaxis to do 4 backflips.... That's all he is doing. He did a frontside 90, into a quad backflip rotation, never spinning on the Zaxis again, until right before his landing, to finish another 90* for a total of 180* spin on the Zaxis....
That's why you can see his Army patch and nose the WHOLE time when he is spinning, becuase he is ONLY spinning on ONE axis............. Sports Science.
Oh my, I was just looking at the tail end of the board the whole time. But you're right when looking at the patch the whole time it just means that he only finished the 180 at the end. It is still a very impressive trick though. I wonder why the whole monster snowboarding team is recognizing it as a 1620...
Because most riders are literally stupid when it comes to education and common knowledge. So to make it more exciting, they name the trick twice, then pretend it's more than what it really is.. :D
It's a Quad Backflip, still cool, but has been done back in the 60's. :D
sick man
insane!!!!!
that must be so scary i can't even imagine
Why is it so hard to to film the entire jump with no slowmotion and no bullshit?
There was nothing 1620 about that. I feel like you have to spin to claim 1620. There was no more spinning in this than in a regular underflip, so it's a quad 540 (actually a quad backflip 180).
No one would be that excited about a quad backflip, but you throw in a 180 and suddenly it's a legit quad?
If you give me a perfect custom-built jump plus all the money and tail Max Parrot will get this season, I will gladly do a quad backflip 180 for you.
Trotter you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. If this were a video about wearing trendy beards and stupid hats, then you could make an expert comment, for sure. The whole "underflip" name is stupid, anyway. This is a bunch of backflips
Also, yes people do get excited over quad backflips, that's the name of the trick, you dont have to agree but its still the first one ever done
Pffft, I did that in SSX Tricky years ago!
Never really rated Max, but that was super clean
I'm agree it's not count as 1620 rotation ... but still a great performance
He made it look easy.
So an underflip is an off axis backflip? and 1620 because of that fact and the 180 at the end?
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Did he just say 'first try'?? Crazy...
I see the quad flip but not the 1620. Still seriously gnarly though.
Nice.
So where is snowboarding in 20 years. Like 14 backflips?
BALLS!!!!!!
Sick!
Quad-underflip 180
bigger jumps from now on, for sure
KIiiiiiiiiiing!
Jeez, people dont get it
4 flips is 4 rotations.
1440 degrees
plus 180 spin
1620 in total
then why isn't a normal underflip a 900? since it has a 540 degree rotation plus the flip
No no it isnt, a flip is not a rotation, not in the snowboard world.
Sztos
That's sick but I hate how any invert that's even tweaked out a little bit gets 360 degrees added to it per flip. It really detracts from the guys who are actually corking because by these standards, an off axis back flip is classified the same (or similarly) as a genuine cork.
Quad corks, triple under flips and I'm here.......still trying to link my turns :(
I get that its an underflip but when you say 1620 am I missing something? I see 4 underflips/backflips but Im missing the 1620... Is it just Monday? is it 420? Haha
iFluffz 4 x 360 degree rotations in the vertical (flip) axis = 1440 degrees of rotation. + 180 from sw to reg = 1620.
Æzen I get what you mean, I've always understood but what annoys me is you're basically claiming the trick twice, by saying 4x backflip and the 4x360 in one phrase. Or am I being stupid and missing something?
Æzen everybody expects something different if they read 1620. Trick names are rubbish in snowboarding. But this trick is still sick! It doesnt matter how the trick is called. If u take it very serious, he did a 90° at the takeoff :)
***** Yea, I don't really like it either tbh. I think it'd be better just leaving out any call on degrees if there's no horizontal part to a trick. There's only ever multiples of 360 you can throw in a flip trick... unless you wanna face plant the landing haha. So yea, I'd prefer just callin em dub, triple or quad flips if that's all they do. Same with cork spins. Call the degree they do horizontal + cork, or dub cork, etc if they put in some vertical spin. Though it doesn't seem to be the way they count em.
iFluffz Each flip rotation = 360 degrees of rotation. he leaves the jump reg lands goof thats 180+4 flips
i dont understand how that can be 1620 if the board didn't rotate much in the horizontal axis. He turned like 90º in the beginning and at the end made a 90º turn so its like 180 º and 4 flips. Switch quadflip 180
Looks more like a cab180 quadruple backflip ...
Underflips are backflips.. well yeah. And 4 "backflips" × 360° rotation = 1440° and then + 180° = 1620°
This just what they do.. probably because it's easier to call a trick by numbers than remembering words
Kyle Ward If you would count a backflip as 360° rotation, this would mean that if I make a switch backflip/underflip I could deem myself master of a switch 540 underflip, right?
Kyle Ward so it the "quadruple" obsolete if you count every backflip/underflip as 360°?
YOOO.TV Action Sports Television yeah... doesn't make a whole lot of sense to repeat itself. I don't why they do that now of days.. there's just a ton of confusion with the "what do they call this now?" Probably clarification of the amount of rotations. So consider like extra information... that's what I'm guessing to use it at?
YOOO.TV Action Sports Television there's no such thing as a cab 180. Cab means fakie 360+, taking off fakie would mean riding switch but ollieing off what would normally be your back foot. switch sideslip quadruple backflip 90.
i would call this a quad backflip 180
+Cole Maurer Then you are very wrong. Because one flip is counted as a 360 m8
+Cole Maurer Dude learn how to call a fkg move before trying to correct one of the best snow boarder in the world xD
+lazare357 I'm not trying to correct him I'm just saying it looks like a quad back. I know exactly why it's called an underflip.
+lazare357 it isn't an 1620. if it's a underflip then it doesn't have rotation
+As AS a flip is not a 360
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I wonder when the first quint will come :D
Hmm.. What if he actually had 360degree vertical rotation per underflip.. Would it then be called a "quad underflip 180" or a "quad underflip 3060" x)
+VzzSO It's a different trick becuase and underflip is that style of a trick. itd be a quad cork if he put more spin in it like billy morgan or that new guy
How about just quad backflip. I saw no rotation there, just head over heels. Still impressive though.
Tyler Hildebrand Well yea, but you did see rotation. 4 x 360 vertical (flip) rotations and a 180 = 1620. I think it's fair to give it the 1620 title. Rotation is just in a different axis to a 'standard' spin.
Æzen i disagree but its been like this for year
Underflips are backflips... well not really.. but yes they are. Lol that other guy did a great job explaining. This just how it's being done...yeah
Tyler Hildebrand Agreed. But there's a 180 in there so 180 quad backflip
Æzen By this "logic" I can call a backfip a 360 and vice versa, right?
switch front quad backflip 180.
I never understood how this is a 1620 tho
Basically every time he goes upside down it counts as a 360
@@thedailyshredder2950 so you can call it 4 underflip or 1620 underflip there is no z axis rotation only x axis rotation
Quad cork 1620? Never seen that before
thumbs up if you counted the flips
quad back under flip clearly...maybe back roll but he came off the jump 90°
rad! but billy morgans quad was even radder! with me?
Is there an alarm clock sound in the music?
Hes not spinning. why is that a 1620?
Fs quad backflip indy
You are a bit of a noob aren't ya!!! Back to complaining about scooter vids please!
With off-axis or inverted spins you count the degrees of spin on all axes. So each flip is 360. It's easier to see and understand from less inverted ones like a cork. This is why there is no rodeo 180; it starts at rodeo 5
i dont get that so many people dont understand rotations haha
No, we understand rotations. This interpretation of them is horridly wrong and misrepresentative.
+ScottWarnerMusic How?
tompatompsson In every other sport which names tricks based on rotation, rotations along the vertical axis are counted separately from the horizontal axis. A flip is a flip, a 360° is a 360°. In skateboarding if the board flips once, and rotates horizontally once it's a 360 kickflip. In diving, if a person flips twice forwards landing in a dive and spins once it's a 360 two and a half.
Adding the horizontal rotations to the vertical rotations is moronic, and redundant. If you take out the preface of calling it a quadruple flip saying quadflip already accounts for the vertical rotations, all that's left is to describe the horizontal rotations. Saying a Quadruple flip 1620 leads one to believe that there were four vertical rotations, in addition to four and a half horizontal spins, which there weren't.
For those of you arguing that he's not rotating along a vertical axis, you're just as shortsighted. He begins from a standing position and ends in one. That's vertical, and the perpendicular axis is always used to describe the other rotations.
ScottWarnerMusic
Well it doesn't work like that there is a reason why you say for example 540 rodeo even though it can be a 180 backflip. Saying quadflip 180 in this case would be 4 backflips and then a 180 saying quad 1620 is the correct way of saying it when it comes to skiing and snowboarding simply because in tricks like triple 1620 the rotation is in the flips saying that it's a triple 540 is wrong
tompatompsson I appreciate that that's the method for naming tricks in snowboarding and skiing. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to do it that way, because if you're counting rotation in any other subject in the world, you count rotations on whichever axis you're rotating on. If there are multiple axis of rotation, you count those separately and describe them separately. It's not the convention in winter sports, but that's the only place where rotations are described by combining separate axis of rotation into a singular number.
To me, it's redundant, as you're qualifying the rotations as flips, and then adding the perpendicular rotations to the total, which means in order to figure out the horizontal rotations, you need to subtract the vertical ones from the total. It's easier, more descriptive, and simple to cut out that step and just call it a quadruple under flip 180, because he made four vertical flips and a one-half horizontal rotation.
grandi #monster
Snowboarding takes its tricks from skateboarding. As a skater for 20 years this is not a 1620. Yes its slightly corked, yes its a quad flip, but in no way did this guy "ROTATE" 1620 degrees. Spins and flips are different. They can be combined, yes, but there was no spinning in his flips. To call this a "Switch Quadruple Underflip 1620" is completely wrong. It's a switch quad backflip front 180. Please enlighten me snowboarding community in to why you think one flip should also include a 360 rotated spin when clearly there is no rotation. This is more or less just a dumb way of monster energy and this very talented rider trying to name a NBD. Yes I understand if you cork a backflip 3 its gonna look like you dont spin but SPINS, FLIPS and CORKscrews are different axis of rotation. This is a striahgt up shift back flip movement, a corkscrew is left or right this is clearly back. GET at me HATERS!!!
Did it on first try lmao this guy rock
Proud of him for not just doing a kneegrab
gg!
that was quint!!!!!!!!!!!
O my GOD
Call me crazy but why is this not a quadruple backflip 180?
It is, they've just rebranded everything now to be some kind of insane rotation, and basic backflips are now called underflips. You are 100% correct, its a quad back 180
mmmyyy god
monster, red bull and go pro should merge
I don't think people know that any "off-axis" flip counts as rotational degrees. Whether its corks or backflips. Plus he did it switch. Lol
It looked kind of like a quad backflip 180 to me.
Switch quad back flip. Still crazy as hell but it's not a switch cork by any means......
He could have did that with a cigarette in his hand. sooooo clean.
how is this even considered a 1620 underflip? I only see a quadruple backflip.