Vudoo 22LR V22 Ammo Shootout!
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Hey everyone! Thought I'd do a similar video to the one I did for my Tikka T1x. Let's look at 6 different cartridges for my Vudoo V22!
Vudoo video discussion Lapua Ammo and Center-x specifically: • Top 3 Precision Rimfir...
00:00 Intro
02:25 Range Time
04:25 Group Analysis
09:55 Numbers Analysis
17:30 Final Thoughts
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I have been waiting somewhat patiently for a new video, lol. I REALLY enjoy your analysis of things! The spreadsheets and charts that you include on many of your videos are golden, keep them coming.
Hey Brett! Thank you SOOOO much for those kind words! I have two more coming out next week with A LOT of analysis, so get ready for them my friend. Thanks for watching as usual, and shoot straight Brett!
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to document this for us!
Thanks Ray! I got a little sloppy with those targets, but hopefully the you still got something out of it. Thanks for watching my friend!
Thanks for the excellent details and data. Thank you for your hard work !
Hi rpurdum! Thanks for the kind words my friend! I really enjoy making these videos and appreciate you watching.
One of the best video clips I've seen so far. 5 of us did some 100m group shooting about 2 weeks ago. The following rifles took part, Anschutz Mod 54, Anschutz 1712, CZ MTR and Tikka T1X. Ammo used was Eley Match, Center X, and SK Rifle Match. 5 shot groupings ran from 0.906 - 1.712 inches. The 4 shot groupings ran from 0.545 - 1.712 inches. All the ammo and groups had a flyer. Good rifles with good shooters using relatively top ammo. There was even a weight and rim sorted shooter in the group. 4 of the 5 guys had groupings of less than 1inch.
Thanks Jaques! It's fun finding out what works in these things and what doesn't. I just did my video on the EC Tuner on this Vudoo and found that Center-x was the best, so glad I have a lot of it on hand! Thanks for watching and the kind words my friend! Shoot straight!
Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. I got my new kss tuner I stalled
Thanks SEKAF! Let us know how it performs for you in the comments! Thanks again for watching!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
Thanks ARob! Love doing these!
What I learn from this is how hard it is to get reliable data. Strictly speaking you should be shooting at least 5 groups of 5 at 50, 100, and 200 and ideally focus on one distance and shoot 10x. But of course, the time and effort required then become enormous. Unless one is a top competitor, it sounds like you live with limited info and make some compromises or else pay Lapua to test for you and then retest at home with a tuner. And probably still test your top 3 with at least half a dozen groups each.
Hi Lazybear! The reality is that for competition I sent the rifle to the testing center and bought 7,000 rounds of Center-x...the ammo that tested the best. All good now. Thanks for watching!
Great video! Thanks for the info. I’m mainly using SK long range right now and it’s winning matches, but I did buy some SK rifle match, this gives me hope on the rifle match!
Hey Texas22Jack! Yeah, I was a bit surprised by the SL Long Range. As I said in the video, some swear by it and others swear at it! Gonna run the SK Match and Center-x through my tuners tomorrow and see how they perform...Video on that will come out next week I hope. Thanks for watching and keep shootin' straight!
All rimfire ammo is going to vary lot to lot. Some lots of sk rifle match will rock out of your rifle and others will suck, same to be said about any rimfire match ammo. You are paying for more consistency which in a perfect world shows in your es and sd.
Thanks for a very informative video, I'm glad I've not spent the money on a Voodoo. My Tikka T1x and Bergara b14r shoot .25 to .35 groups consistently at 50 yards with several different loads. And both shoot moa or better at 100 yards. I do have Nightforce and Trijicon scopes on my rifles with upgraded triggers. Again Thank you for your information.
Hi Todd! Thanks for the kind words! Yes, I hoped that the Vudoo was going to work out, but it just gave me too many problems and I went to the CZ, which, I am now replacing with a Bergara B-14R...Nothing wrong with the CZ at all, I just miss the 700 footprint. Thanks for watching my friend!
I’m getting great results with x-act and my KSS tuner. - about .6 MOA vertical .4 MOA horizontal at 100 yards - I think I can tweak the tune.. Great vid as always - looking forward to what you do with the tuner. I have a boat ton of X-Act and its shooting well but clearly will have to try the Center-X in the future.
Thanks S F!!! Yeah I'm getting an EC tuner for the Vudoo so really pumped about that...thanks again for the kind words my friend!
I have the V22..testing ammo. Mine likes center x and Ely black box match. I also shot some Geco Match and Geco semi auto that did well. Tenex didn't do too well. All my shots are at 50 yards. I have a tuner ordered, so I will see what that does. Great video. Thanks.
Thanks a lot James! I think it really does depend on the individual rifle, even across the SAME rifle brand and model. You'll love the tuner once you get over the frustration of actually tuning it. Thanks for watching my friend!
I’ll be interested in your tuner video. I’ve watch some others tune a .22. Problem is the tuner looks like it’s helping, but if you start the process a 2nd time, it doesn’t tune at the same numbers. .22 ammo seems to have to much variation from shell to shell for a tuner to work well. Reloaders of center fire cartridges are much much more exact in building a cartridge and tuners work well for that. Bullets are weighed exactly, brass is trimmed exactly, primers are consistent, and powder charge is exactly the same. Tuners are also helpful if you have had your barrel cut, because the metal removed from the end is detrimental to accuracy. So adding back a tuner/break does help.
Hi Scott! Funny you asked about this now. I just re-mounted an EC Tuner on my 22LR because my lot of Center-x wasn't performing as good as I had hoped with my new barrel. Brought the groups down by 50% across bricks of the same lot. I'll release a video shortly on it, but I can say that it did make a difference. Thanks for watching my friend!
I did approximately the same experiment last month with my recently purchased Bergara B14-R with a 5-25X56 Vortex Strike Eagle scope. I used four ammo flavors on a dead calm day, 79 degrees, 99% humidity (gotta love Florida in July) and pressure of 30.2 inches Hg. The chrono results are from a Chrony Beta Master. Of course, I'm different shooter with a different rifle and ammo lots on a different day in different weather conditions than you had so this is just another set of data. The SD's and ES's are for all rounds shot. The groups are an average for the best 4 of 5 shots over five groups except for the Tenex which was only two groups. The groups were shot with a bi-pod and rear bag off a bench.
Ammo # of rounds SD (fps) ES (fps) 100 yards (inches) 200 yards (inches)
SK Rifle Match 50 8.65 47 0.82 1.37
SK Long Range 30 7.30 40 1.10 1.65
CCI Std. Veloc 50 9.30 58 1.05 1.17
Eley Tenex 40 7.00 32 1.05 1.02
A minor typo above. The 200 yard group for CCI Standard Velocity was 1.27 inches, not 1.17 inches.
@@kentcori7620 Hey Kent! Thanks for this info my friend! Interesting that you had the same result with the ELEY Tenex... A very good result. And also interesting that the Long Range Match seems to open up as it did with me at...Long Range! I just received my EC Tuner for the Vudoo and am going to do some work with my Center-x and SK Match this weekend...I'll post that video when I'm done. Thanks for watching, for the great info, and keep shooting straight!
...the only issue I found with SK Match @100 yards was vertical spread after 6+ rounds, the first shots 5-6 were .75" - almost all touching - but then they would start shooting high. I repeated it a few times from a cold bore. Could be heat retention characteristics of my heavy barrel but I've found a brand of Eley that isn't affected, so I use those with great results!
Hey Littledaddy! It is interesting how each shooter/rifle combo finds a specific ammo that works for them and their rifle. But you hit on the key here...Find what works for YOU and what you are confident in and then go with it. Thanks for watching my friend!
just started shooting 22 good data to think about
Hi MrWayne! Thanks for the feedback and for watching my friend! 22LR is a blast whether your just plinking or competing...Enjoy it!
Thanks for taking the time to provide this analysis. Interesting results especially for the SK Match beyond 50 yards. What happened to Center-X beyond 50 yards? I believe you reported that you are using SK Match for competition now and it is performing well. Is there any reason to spend more money on ammo if the SK Match is performing to your satisfaction?
Hi Mark! Man, good timing. I just released a "four month follow-up" on my Vudoo (ruclips.net/video/moWhzluxfok/видео.html) and after sending it in to the Lapua testing center (and after finding out I had a bad firing pin and getting that replaced), the center found the best match for the rifle was Center-x. Now, they DO NOT test SK ammo (even though they own SK), but I have changed to Center-x for matches. I would have no issue running SK for practice and am actually doing that now for short range practice (inside 200 yds). I like Lapua/SK ammo, mostly due to their lubrication and I don't like changing that across ammo...That's just me. Hope this helps and check out my honest 4 month update if you have a vudoo. Hey thanks for watching my friend!
Vertical dispersion is what counts... not horizontal. Air movement.
Hi Paul! Totally agree with you, especially for a 22lr going out to 200+ yards. Thanks for watching my friend!
I get 1 hole groups at 50 yds with Center X out of my Vudoo but it's lot-tested by Capstone in Mesa
Hi John! Yep, I got good groups with my lot tested Center-x once the rifle settled in. Then I changed barrels and surprisingly enough, I got even better groups! In the end, the finicky nature of the Vudoo made me sell it. Thanks for watching my friend!
So how are your thoughts now on ammo for the vudoo. I still haven’t found any center x here in alaska
Hi SEKAF! I practice with SK Match (red box) which works as well as the Center-x in mine. Eley was a no go for me but I've seen others run it. I would stick with the "snotty" lube type of ammo and not the wax lubed. Thanks for watching my friend!
Im curious how you had feeding issues with eley especially since the vudoo is a controlled feed and there is no projectile ramp.
If your shooting prs / nrl that silver bullet is priceless when trying to spot misses and bullet flight.
Good video
Hi Pursuit!! I had feeding issues due to the poor design of the polymer magazines...everyone knows about it. You have to shave them down to make a feed ramp and that's where the feeding issue began with the flat nosed ELEY Tenex. The ELEY Match ammo simply will not eject from my rifle...period. Don't know why but not going to try to figure it out. I only use Lapua/SK now and everything is fine.
@@The4GunGuy The vudoo is chambered for lapua / sk and the eley tends to have a thinner rim thickness and perform better in a shorter chamber.
I have to reduce headspace by around .002 - .003 to get eley to extract reliably in my lilja barrel if im going from a center x headspace.
I would contact your closest lapua test center and get that vudoo to them to lot test. Save you a lot of money and heartache. You can get a case or two of whatever shoots the best and be done with it.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Way ahead of you my friend! Barreled action goes to the test center in September. I just did a video on the EC Tuner mounted on the rifle and Center-x came out very well as did SK Match...But at distance (250+) it looks like I'm going to stick with Center-x. I agree on the ELEY Match issue and have since sold all my ELEY Match...Just don't want to mess with it and even though I have some Tenex, I just don't trust it in a match environment. I do have to say that with the issues I and others have had with the magazines feeding and/or not seating properly, I have been a bit disappointed in spending this kind of money on a rifle that still needs to be "tweaked" to function properly. I mean, the mag issues are design issues, not ammo issues. And when someone pays this much for a rifle, they shouldn't have to shim the mag for things to work. I know this is the case with many rifles (my 6.5 CM included), it's just more pronounced with the Vudoo. Still love the thing, just wish those same tolerances used in the chamber and the bolt were there in other areas.
@@The4GunGuy Yeah I can totally understand that. I shoot against and vudoo's and rimx all the time and they always seem to have feeding issues at one point or another in the match. The ole cz isn't a vudoo but it also has never had a single feeding issue so there is a bonus point for that. I went earlier in the year to lapua in Ohio and had a great time with Luke.
I have tried a few tuners but have also found that the right ammo doesn't need the tuner and I try to eliminate as many variables as I can from the performance of the rifle and me. I would be constantly messing with the tuner trying to keep it dialed in.....end of the day the target sizes are big enough you don't need a 1/2 moa gun to win matches......the indian needs the work not the arrow.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Ha! So true! I just tested the EC Tuner on my Vudoo and basically went from a 3.6" vertical spread at 250 yards to a 1.8" vertical spread...So happy about that. I agree with the Indian comment. Shot a PRS match this past Saturday, had a stage with targets at 302, 384 and 410 yards off a 3 sides roof prop. I missed all three 384's! And I just recalibrated my updated load, ringing 900 yard steel with ease. Man was I hot after missing that "chip shot". But, I'll be up there this weekend and promise you I'll send about 50 rounds at those three targets off that rooftop!
Have you sent your barreled action to Lapua yet for lot testing?
Hi Brian! Yep, sent it away last year and did a follow-up video on that experience and some of the issues I was having with the Vudoo (ruclips.net/video/moWhzluxfok/видео.html). The testing center was AWESOME and they really took care of a big issue with the firing pin, sending the old one to vudoo and replacing with the new one, great customer service and I highly recommend using them. Thanks for watching my friend!
Did you fire 10 rounds with each brand to settle the bore prior to firing for group at both ranges?
Hi EJ! I fired 10 rounds of Tenex to settle the bore on THAT ammo (wax based), then 10 rounds of x-act to settle the bore on all the others ("snot" based) since their lubricant comes from the same lubrication batch (SK and Lapua), so you only need to settle the bore once with them. Thanks for watching!
Love the data driven approach. First off, I think ES is misleading as one flier or a strong gust of wind can sku that data significantly and rimfire, even the best rimfire ammo, still tend to have fliers or wind induced ES. Next, I have found that while rifles ted to prefer specific ammo, I rarely see poor accuracy at 100 yards get significanty better at 200 yarrds which we saw with Eley Tenex and Midas +. I do think that with Rimfire, at 100 and 200 yards, little in the way of meaningful analysis can be done with limited groups at those ranges as wind, ammo (lot) and user play a significant part role in the overall results. Typically I would like to see 4-5 5 shot groups at each range and then aggregate the numbers for each ammo by range. I realize that is expensive though
Hi FlyRiverFly! Thanks for the great input! My ES values are based on the velocity at the muzzle as measured by the MagneetoSpeed, so those won't be affected by wind or fliers. BUT, I totally agree that if we were looking at the ES of the impacts at the target (since ES can be measured against any population of values and not just velocity as you point out), those other variables can affect it quite a bit. I have a local indoor range that goes out to 100 yds and may revisit this analysis someday in that environment. I've since sent the rifle to the Lapua testing center and they found the best LOT of Center-X for this rifle based on their testing, so I'm running that now. Thanks again for watching and shoot straight my friend!
@@The4GunGuy That is great that you sent your rifle into the Lapua Testing Center. I have seen several of those videos. It would be cool if you did a video showing the difference between the lot they specified and random lots from some of the ammo you tested in this video. Love your videos. Keep them coming
I think it's important to know what barrel you chose from them too.
Hi Cliff, this was the Kukri barrel that came with the rifle. I've since mounted a straight taper "bull" barrel with better results on the SK Match and Center-x. I may do another one of these videos to see how those other ammos shoot with the new barrel. Thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy they have a Bartelein carbon fiber wrapped bbl. I wonder if this is any goid
@@cliffcox7643 Don't know. For 22LR I think the CFW barrels would be good. I just don't trust them for centerfire where the heat is much higher and the carbon fiber in most cases isn't really "bonded" to the steel barrel, it's loosely "wrapped". That to me says that you're shooting a thinner steel barrel that can't transfer the heat away from it due to the carbon wrapping...But that's just a theory of mine and I'd like to talk to someone about it...Hey, maybe a new video idea!
@@The4GunGuy oy veyy, no answer. Thank you
Give me a 54:18 Anschutz. Center x @ 100 with the voodo looked Great!!!!
Hi Golden! Yeah, Anschutz just hasn't caught on here for PRS rimfire, but they are GREAT rifles. Thanks for watching my friend!
I have no idea how you’re getting dislikes on this video besides trolls. My wife just had our baby but I hope to join you at a match soon!
Hey Torque! First, CONGRATS on the new addition! Hope Mother and baby are doing well? As far as the dislikes go, it's part of this, so we just accept that the video didn't resonate with everyone or they have a differing opinion...All good as long as people are respectful and provide feedback to help me understand their point of view. I really appreciate your watching and the kind words...Now get some sleep, cause you're gonna need it the next 6 months! :)
@@The4GunGuy thanks! They’re doing well! Sleep is extremely limited though 😂
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How can you possibly conduct an experiment like this one with used targets? What a shame! Targets are cheap. Buy the rolls on amazon or use paper plates, even unperforated cardboard with a sharpie drawn bulls eye... anything but targets that are already full of holes and on which you've forgotten to mark all the holes
Hi Cuajo! I know right? It was one of those brain fart days where I remembered everything but...targets. Oh well, it happens and it all worked out. Hey thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it was pretty informative!