I kind of hated them haha. How tf does Peter forget that many backpacks, when you use a backpack every single day for school. Like, his school books should be in there. Did he just buy new books and redo homework for all 25 or so backpacks lol. It came off as lazy. If you think about it for more than a few seconds you realize how ridiculous it is to think Peter lost that many backpacks. As if every time he received an important item from his history, he just left it under a bridge lol
@@inyrui true. I hate how unrealistic Spider Man is. -_- The important momentos left behind sure. But I think it's actually funny that Spider man has to quickly stash his shit and then go off and fight crime. He swings all over the place in a big city. I can definitly imagine him losing his backpacks, not having time to go back for them or not able to find them.
@@lucaleone4331 yeah I can see what you mean, I tried and I honestly can't think of a better way they could have done these kinds of collectibles. The backpacks were a clever idea, I just always thought it was funny how he had like 30 backpacks with important mementos and just forgot about them haha. It does fit Peter's character pretty well
Just so people don't go back to the start of the vid for the time stamps: 1:27 - Presentation 7:51 - Traversal 20:24 - Crimes 26:05 - Side Activities 35:41 - Combat 54:16 - Story and Plot 1:07:59 - Characters 1:12:51 - Story Presentation 1:15:51 - Bosses 1:25:10 - Story wrap up 1:26:58 - Endgame 1:29:23 - Conclusion
I love how every missing suit you mentioned (except the symbiote suit, which they at least have their reason for not including) shows up in the DLC. Hell, the Raimi suit was even free!
My absolutely favourite thing of this game is that all of Peter's open world lines are recorded twice. One where he's exerting like during fights and swinging, and one where he's just standing or walking around.
About JJJ radio show, I think you missed to talk about how he is right sometimes. Most of the times he is over the top stupid like "maybe he hired people to kidnap your husband" etc but sometimes he talks about how pointless some of the actions you took like in the helicopter incident and that is true. Also, I liked his show after the bombing.
It's odd how they introduce JJJ, since they initially introduce him as exaggerated but with a legitimate point (since his first show is about how taking out Fisk will just cause a lot more problems due to the power vacuum) but it's like he gets progressively over the top as the game goes on.
@@jimbob1862 does he lose his mind around the end? I didn't come there People were praising how they presented him as he can make you laugh or think about Spider-Man's actions.
No he doesn't, but his points have a lot less weight than they do at the beginning since he goes full Alex Jones parody whereas in the beginning his points have a bit of merit to them.
There is actually vulture's and Electro's armor in the lab, as well as a board with a draft of the raft on it. Also it's fun that almost every suit you missed was added in DLC or updates.
While I haven't seen the videos yet, he does have vids on each individual DLC so I would imagine he talks about it there Also nice pfp 👌 Edit: yep he does
@@nimeshsingh4943 impact webbing and normal webbing were awesome, trip mine was cool but I rarely ever used it, especially since the combat is a million times better than the stealth, web bomb was awesome, that gravity one was trash and so was the sonic blast, the spider drone was too OP so I never used it
@@Username-wj8pz As you play the DLC you'll discover their uses like the gravity one gets even whip guys, electric gets mini-gun brutes. Sonic blast is good for knocking people off buildings and if you web bomb then sonic blast they stick to walls instantly. They do have uses but it would've been nice to have a quicker way of accessing. Like in Assassin's creed
@@nimeshsingh4943 I didn't even know you could use the gravity one on the whip guys. That's cool, it's likely I'm just using the gadgets in the wrong way
The reason that there crimes disappear in the districts when you get 5/5 is so it isn’t an absolutely tedious grind to get all the crimes done in each district. Once you have 5/5 for each crime group it goes back to normal.
yeah but swinging around in the district for 30 min for the 1 thug crime left so you can get 100% is a lil tedious..But when is completionism not tedious
or they could just have you get it to 5/5 and then continue spawning them occasionally so the world doesnt feel dead? once you finish the story it does that anyway, so?
While Spider-Man is definitely my favorite game of this year, I'll admit it's not perfect, and I love how you're able to praise the amazing parts of this game without being blind to it's faults. Really loving your videos!
while I think this game deserves critique some of these complaints are still just ugh I dont know how to play a game the way I want why cant the game make me. which is a twist on the main complaint and the same complaint about freedom. this game isnt perfect and its way too accesible but I still hear such bias in his voice. he just wants web of shadows again
The reason why swinging after a long dive might feel really slow is probably due to hardware limitations. The ps4 can only let go you as fast as it can load things up in time. Hopefuly this is improved in the new gen
@@jebalitabb8228 Unfortunately PCs are really inconsistant. It's a shame that SSDs are not the absolute standard yet. There's still people with HDDs only, so games cannot be designed with the SSD in mind. They can be designed that way for the new gen tho
@@questionsfrog1918 oh so you are happy tha you live in a country with a stable economy and/or a good job to buy one unlike most people? THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'RE BRAGGING ABOUT? 😭
This is the only review I've seen that touched on the traversal issues. Thanks for pointing that out. The same goes for stealth. And you pointed out the qualities of TASM games. This was a good, thorough, and honest review. Sub
Hey man, I'm only 3 minutes in, but I gotta give props where props are due, I can already tell that you've put a massive amount of effort into this video, writing a script for an hour and a half long vid is no easy feat, neither is editing a video of that length. the work here is truly impressive, and I just wanted you to know, that I took notice, and that I care, I will finish this video later, but for now, I must sleep. Have a nice day!
Holy crap is that my favourite boy Renn with TWO ns? I've watched all your reviews. You're a truly hilarious guy and I'm really glad you found my channel. Thanks for posting that comment, it's really nice of you.
Ok, so after multiple sessions, I've finally finished this video, (not because the video is unengaging, but because of my own time constraints) This video was very engaging, and as someone who just completed Spiderman for the first time a week and a half ago, I agreed with about 99% of what you had to say in this video. This game was just "good" nothing more, it needed a lot more depth, but kept me engaged long enough to complete everything but the thug crimes. The only thing that we disagreed on strangely enough, is the token system. I didn't mind completing all that padded out fluff because it was ultimately progressing my character, giving me a little buzz. every token was worthwhile in a way, made those activities feel worth doing, as boring as they were. But I had no idea you watched my content! That's awesome! maybe DM me sometime tiger 👄
I'm here because that Twitter dude criticized your lengthy videos, and then one of THEIR commenters had the nerve to call the word "critique" pretentious. WELL I NEVER! Love that you actually showed up there, that was hilarious. I also loved this game, and I'm looking forward to watching this!
If you like Whitelight, check out MauLer. Made a 5 hour dissection of the Last Jedi and a nearly ten hour word by word response to Hbomberguy's video on Dark Souls 2
Features wish list for a sequel: Traversal: Honestly, you hit the nail on the head with the freedom bit. Since their focus was on accessibility, I’d prefer to see these in a separate "complex swinging" option à la Spider-Man 2. -Allow Spidey to touch the ground while swinging -Double-handed web-zip by holding X instead of tapping(which launches you further but uses both web-zips) -Upwards(vertical) web-zip perhaps by double tapping X with *no directional input* -No line breaking if you hold onto R2(allowing you to perform full loops) -Give wall-crawling its own button(as well as better, more responsive wall-crawling) -Wall clings and rebounds(as in WOS) -Consistent momentum physics(specifically, I mean that entering some animations causes you to lose momentum since they can start playing at a preset speed not always consistent with your momentum, thus feeling unnatural) -Allow running down walls -Classic(manual) pole swinging -Web slingshot(Could use the move to point reticle system, “Choose two points, blast off!”) -Allow web zipping to point from a wall crawl -Few more air tricks -Line climbing -Much higher speed cap -Allow the charge jump to hold(and release) a charge while in the middle of the parkour and perching animations -Charge jump should give different heights based on how long you hold it -*Option* for fall damage Extras and gimmicks: -Hang enemies off street lamps and poles -Web attach to a helicopter going to Ellis/Liberty Island -Create a web hammock and lay in it -Simply sit down on a bench, fire escape or perch point and chill -Web attach to the back of a speedboat and skid across the water(only with the Symbiote suit) -Enter Peter's apartment whenever(with perhaps a few interactable lore items lying around) -Allow Spidey to pet a dog -Allow you to change the weather effects(Option for heavy rain and/or thunderstorm would be nice) -Remote control Spider-Bot in free roam(to a certain distance) -*Option* to set the crimes frequency via a slider(sometimes you just want to swing peacefully without any alerts popping up) Side Activities: While the crimes were great, I also personally wanted to see some _inconsequential_ interactions with the world, small stuff that gives a bit of charm to the world(that don't involve using fists) -Rescue a cat from a tree -Help up a fallen elderly person up off the ground -Rescue a floating balloon for a kid(that tests how quickly you can gain height, not speed) -Donate to the homeless --Stop a lone thief/mugger and convince him to stop and re-evaluate his life(limited # of times) -Grab a quick hot dog from a hot dog stand or a drink from a diner or coffee shop(like in Mafia 2) -*Rarely* rescue someone from a burning building, with firefighters just arrived on the scene(so you can justify that they'll take care of it if you skip it) -*Rarely* bring someone directly to the hospital from a car crash or injury/collateral damage, with ambulances already heading to the scene -*Very rarely* rescue civilians from sinking boats with rescue boats already heading to the scene -More web swinging races and an option to submit scores to a leaderboard for them -Ability to create your own drone challenges and race them! -Special missions with the wider Marvel universe(Avengers, Moon Knight, F4, DD, etc.) Combat: -More combat finishers -Double (non-heavy)enemy finishers(using 2 focus bars) -Allow slight camera control during finishers to begin targeting next enemy -Web of Shadows AOE swing kick(Would love to knock criminals down like bowling pins again) -Endless wave mode for the combat challenges and hideouts(with optional leaderboard) -Web strike bouncing(as in WOS) -Slightly more responsive gadget wheel(remove the half-second delay) -Use left/right D-Pads for gadgets -Allow you to complete the hideouts with stealth only -More interesting and fleshed out stealth mechanics Suits: -All of the suits from this game carry over to the next game -My personal pick for an original suit: www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8bmv35/spiderman_wakanda_vibranium_armor_concept_art/ Graphics: -Spidey's reflection always showing on glass(Just real-time for Spider-Man himself, not everything) -More car variety -More NPC variety, also, kids, cyclists, etc. World: -All boroughs of New York explorable -Some select few buildings enterable, like coffee shops, comic shops, etc.(the more "public" places) and maybe other unique Marvel locations like the Nelson and Murdock office, a hall of the Sanctum, a floor of the Avengers tower, a floor of the Daily Bugle, etc. General: -In-game Photo Mode gallery -In-game Cutscene gallery -Option to turn off the recurring Control Hints -Option to turn off Lens Flare -Continue to not have microtransactions and keep it consumer-friendly :) EDIT: -Changed/Added a few things -Removed "no auto wall run" since, upon further thought, it works well and remains compatible with providing more options when hitting a wall -No need to agree with all of it, just throwing ideas out there, thanks for the all the likes! If anyone's still interested, I've gone on to make a full google doc about this complete with pictures/GIFs detailing all my points Here it is: docs.google.com/document/d/1RJdcjV_NbdyCmR0fxswmU9mrI6hsCz-ckY-cncKVPxs/edit?usp=sharing
Honestly, my favorite stealth segment was when you're playing as MJ and can call Spider-Man to take down enemies. I think the stealth would function better if web rush takedowns alerted enemies and they added more takedown variations. Also, after finishing the story last night, I had no idea you could quick swap between gadgets until I saw this video.
I just finished that mission yesterday and my god it’s the funnest MJ mission to play every time. It also has the most story significance having Grand Central be where Spider-Man defeats Mr Negative at the end of the mission.
I think you pretty much nail all the major criticisms on the head here, but I will disagree with you on one thing: the inclusion of the Sinister Six. Their reveal felt pretty natural to me because we DO see set up for them. When Otto is shut down by Norman and he comes back, saying that he had found funding from other sources, we see him 3D printing armor pieces, mapping out the Raft, we even see the apparent cure for Vulture’s spinal cancer. On the screen over by the spectrograph mini-game, you see a display of a syringe. Peter even tries to wave it away by saying, “Maybe it’s for the neural implant, but that seems pretty big.” It wasn’t a massive ton of set up, I’ll grant you, but the fact that they constantly bring up the Raft, the fact that all the villains are there, JJJ even has a few episodes talking about it, and how Otto has clearly been setting up for their release for a while all seems pretty organic to me. Now, I didn’t watch much marketing, so I didn’t know they were in the game, so their inclusion was genuine shock for me (good shock, the “oh SHIT” kinda shock) because I knew the Raft was important to this universe, I knew Spidey had dealt with a lot of these villains before and to me, I didn’t need the game to dive into them much because I know them from the comics (kinda like how the Arkham games dealt with their villains), and because I knew Otto was up to SOMETHING, I just didn’t quite know what yet. I do agree that Otto and Li sharing the same, generic plan was really lame though.
I thought that Otto and Li working together was pretty inspiring, I didn't see it coming at all, and it really solidifies the amount of karma waiting to bite Osborn in the face.
Thank you for pointing this out, this was one of the main things that annoyed me about his critique. I feel like the point also was to show aSpider Man deep into his carrer. It was almost a love letter to the fans or long time viewers of SpiderMan. (The "useless" backpacks also help because he talks about his past) The game sets up that this is a spider man with experience, and a past. I Liked how the Sinister 6 was brought in, I didnt need a HUGE build up But as you explained they still did a good job with subtle hints. Also you WOULDNT have seen marketing for it because it was kind of the point how subtle it was. I even got a special edition of the game that came with a statue that labeled it as a spoiler warning bc it shows Spidey on top of all the bad guys armors in a victory pose.
@@hopesy12u4 Otto and Li working together wasn't bad, I liked it too, but it was more that we go through all the trouble in the game fighting Li to get the Devil's Breath back, where he keeps threatening to release it, yet Otto turns around, steals it *again* for like, the ninth time, then just releases it anyway. I feel like it would've worked better in a purely narrative pacing kind of way if the Devil's Breath just never turned up after Li's first arrest. I get that it was going for a subversion where we think we've hit the return to normality at the "end" of the story, which did surprise me on my first playthrough, but I was expecting Otto and his plotline to be saved for a sequel anyway, so having that lingering question of what happened to the Devil's Breath after Li's first capture would've aided that feeling of shock when the second half of the game hits, rather than a complete redux of Li's plan, except it worked this time. It's not awful as it stands, I absolutely love the game, but my point is that once you get over the initial shock that there's another 10 hours to the game, it's a little strange when you stop to think how Otto just gets the Devil's Breath after all the security breaches the Oscorp had *and* that any time Li went after the Devil's Breath, he needed an army just to get to it.
@@lucaleone4331 yeah, that's the thing, considering how relatively small the Sinister Six's role is in the overall story, the story didn't warrant a huge amount of set up. If they were going to be the main villains of the entire story, sure, it would need at least a little more explicit set up, but with Otto and Li being the main baddies and the Sinister Six being supplementary, how they're handled was completely fine, given they're obviously established villains for this universe's Spider-Man, who's been a hero for like, 8 years. Otto and Li are sufficiently built up as villains, so you understand who they are without the context of the comics and the rest are built up enough so, even if you aren't entirely familiar with them from the comics, you at least know that they're threats from Spider-Man's past exploits that we just didn't need to see.
Just started watching this, but I'm liking anyway. Whether or not I wind up agreeing with you, just the amount of time you must've spent to make an hour and a half review deserves it.
In regards to the criticism about the swing kick not having a function: I find that it's actually very useful depending on your playstyle. If you're someone who prefers to spend most of their time in the air and on the move it's an extremely important utility. >It let's you launch dudes into an aircombo without needing to touch the ground first (the only other way to achieve this is to pull enemies towards you while in the air however this is slow and leaves you stationary which means you're vulnerable). >It's a good way to quickly move larger distances without having to ground yourself in front of an enemy like the webstrike. >It's vital for maintaining altitude, you can go an entire fight without ever touching the ground if you use the swing kick right. On the higher difficulties being in the air is pretty much the safest place for spidey since you only have to worry about damage from ranged enemies. The swing kick along with the air dash are pretty much your core tools for staying in the air.
I think a really small tweak to the story could've been Martin Li being close with Otto - so when Otto looses his funding, Li starts funding - and when Li's almost beat, the emotionally unstable Ock turns to villany because he needs Li - he needs that funding, so he orchestrates the breakout. From that small change Ock goes from our main villain to our tragic villain (even more so than in the story we got) where Li is still calling the shots but when you think it's all done Ock's still holding on to the villany after Li's down because he's too far gone - so we end up in a similar place but without a serious villain shift.
After playing DMC i think Spider-man could benefit with a style bar system. The more vary your attacks the better the score. So at the end of encounter you will get an overall rating. The higher the rating the more exp you gain, this could encourage the player to vary their attacks and strategies intern adding a layer of difficulty.
And on top of that the as the style meter goes up , your attacks visually change and become more and more acrobatic. Also you are granted access to ( while your meter glow) attacks with more complicated input but more rewarding ! Layers on layers 😀
I play DMC too, but I've realized theres another action game franchise that is more hand to hand grounded fights. It's called Yakuza. There;s a meter called the "heat meter" and it's like a style gage that fills up the more you land hits and perform taunts. you can use them to perform "heat actions" which are context sensitive moves that are like SMPS4's finishers. Later on in the series, they introduced the red meter which is like the highest you can go with your heat meter and it powers up all your heat actions. Also in the Yakuza series, you can use up heat meter for certain action like using it to extend your combo or inputting a throw in the middle of your combo or countering an attack(while guarding). Generally having a higher heat meter gives you a better status but you can sacrifice them for heat moves and such.
I really hope the stealth is worked on in these upcoming dlc's more vent takedowns would be awesome. Instead of the 2nd wave of enemies knowing exactly where you are have them clueless of your whereabouts but on the lookout. Stealth crimes should be added as well
I love how you gave the opinion of the (subjective) objective persona, rather than stating the psuedo-objective. I think this is needed in many other areas of debates, critique, and so on. But good on you for staying on track. As always, amazing review. You are by far my favorite critic/reviewer.
credit where credit is due. your review is the best review I've seen for this game. keep up the good work man. I love this game but found it jarring how easier the bosses were than the low level demons, sable agents and prisoners. solid 9/10 for me
Watching a year after the fact, this video reminded me why I could not be a critic lol. I definitely don’t disagree with much you had to say though. This is the type of review that’s really important to have out there because, if this is stuff Insominac can address in the sequel.. they will have truly nailed the experience (which is funny to say because, I felt they nailed the experience with this game! Let’s hope it’s all the better with the PS5 hardware and development cycle.
I know it's a joke but I encourage you all to try and get better by doing things like visit counselors or psychiatrists. Calling a crisis line if you have a particularly shit day/night is good too.
Gotta say man. It's a little hard to hear negative things discussed for the game because I love it so much and I'm way too much of a Spider-Man die hard fanboy. But this was a solid video and you were very objective in your analysis and review. Great video dude.
If you are a hardcore Spidey fan you should criticize this game more. We should not allow them to get lazy with the "I'm a fan so I have to love it" mentality. Look at what happened to me? I'm a huge Metal Gear fan. And then Phantom Pain and Survive happened.
I'm a die-hard fan Spider-Man Fanboy but I'm not afraid to admit this game as way to automated and unchallenging compared to all of the Spider-Man games
Your Traversal segment is *chefs kiss* Everyone praises the navigation, but the Sunset Overdrive traversal had more depth. I miss the higher level of control. Really hope they fix the repetition.
There was one time in a Sable base where I only had to do 1 wave. I took them all out using stealth. Haven't been able to do it since though, it always automatically activates wave 2 when there's about 2-3 enemies left
Maybe some base missions allow it, and some don't. Have you tried doing the same mission that allowed you to finish it within one wave on stealth again and found that it forces you to finish up till wave 6?
1:06:12 "You honestly have to be a Grade A, 24k gold-plated dipstick to struggle with the [puzzles] the game asks you to do." DarksydePhil's ears are burning...
i think that Jameson's commentary during the fall of new york bit is really nice, how he calls for leadership, self-defense and such, shows that he gets serious and oddly inspiring and comforting during trying times
I don't know how to say it but you have pretty much perfected the art of reviewing games. And your voice makes it feel like a movie I dunno how else to explain it. If I had one critique is that you don't need the transition screens showing what you are about to discuss. It interrupts the buttery smooth delivery and its jarring. But uh regardless I can't think of anybody else that can do what you can do and I thank you for every single second of every review you ever done.
I think the reason he has on-screen transitions is because this review was made before RUclips implemented their chapter system, where you could snap to any point in the video by simply hitting 7:51 for example.
Thanks for burning the midnight oil on this video. You did a superb job of covering all aspects of the game, and I really appreciate that. As for mechanics, I really have an extremely difficult time wall crawling especially upside down on a ceiling to gran backpacks and complete some of the research station objectives. I feel Insomniac should better streamline those mechanics for the Spiderman sequel. Thanks again for your time and arduous work. Much appreciated with the utmost gratitude.
There is evidence in otto's lab for scorpion's new needle, and the raft escape. You can also see the 4 villains posters next to each other in peter's lab room
You just earned a subscriber! This is a must watch for anyone even considering to buy the game. Before I played it all I could hear was - It made me feel like spiderman 10/10 masterpiece, best game ever. No reviewer mentioned how mundane it can get and I was mislead. Thanks for this video!
I mean, the game is still great, it's just not as perfect as people say it is. More of an ignorance on the general public's part. Everyone's like "wow, this is the best Spider-man game since Spider-man 2" but you can bet they never played a Spider-man game, not even Spider-man 2.
Why would you watch this before buying the game? This literally ruins the whole game for anyone who’s thinking of playing. Just watch a 2 mins review with no spoilers and make up your mind. Best to not go into the game with any bias or pre conceived notions. Just start it up and see how you like it
Swing kicks do have utility. They are more of a crowd control that throws people off buildings, or pushes them away. You can go to one enemy to another that is relatively close just by swing kicking. I like to punch enemies in the air jump off them and then swing kick the next guy. Hope that makes sense. You also run out of gadgets. Early you don’t even have the good gadgets. Later you have so many enemies that you run out of gadgets. You can’t win big fights with gadgets. You also run out of throwable objects. This is when air combat and swing kicks come in
There's few crimes in the game that you can't cheese with gadgets. It's true, huge fights in the story or hideouts cannot be cheesed entirely, but certainly made far easier. I know what you mean with the swing kicks. They aren't CC, but you can use it as a transition, although I don't see how that's exclusive to the swing kick. You can transition with the web strike and jump off too if you're in the air.
Whitelight that’s very true, I sort of set limits for myself so I only used 3 gadgets not including web shooters. Thank you for responding, massive respect for that. Keep up the good work.
If you see someone near the edge and don't want to use a gadget, then jump + swing kick is the single fastest way to knock them off. And it has a greater range than the uppercut launcher. Swing kick also is the non-gadget, balanced quick and long range attack to pin a webbed target that is just far enough from the wall for a basic web shooter not to stick them down. It is second fastest behind the close ranged throw. The third fastest is web throw (which has the longest range) and, finally, the basic combo is the slowest. Lastly, swing kick can sometimes extend the amount of time you stay airborne while maintaining a combo. I really did appreciate the aerial jump-off tactic, I hadn't used it before to knock enemies off of ledges. What's extra nice about it is that you choose the direction they go, so you can corral them easily or disperse them at will.
I'm about halfway through the video now, and he just mentioned that air-combat was basically pointless. This is a great in-depth review but this point really irks me. It feels very incorrect because air-combat actually provides 3 incredible bonuses: 1. It gets you off the ground. If you're surrounded by enemies and getting hit from all sides, fighting above the crowd is better than fighting in the middle of them. 2. *Focus builds significantly faster when dealing damage in the air than fighting on the ground* 3. *You deal MORE damage with more focus* Air-combat is extremely beneficial. It gets you away from tons of damage, it makes you build focus even faster than normal, and as an added bonus, you end up doing more damage after you're done doing a combo on some poor thug in the air. I don't know if these points are going to be mentioned later, but I really do hope they are.
Thank you for mentioning web of shadows ...They have some good things in web of shadows that i think future spiderman games should take note from...Might not have been the greatest spiderman game but they had combat on the side of buildings...They introduced great webzipping combat.....You also could activate the venom suit on the fly and tons more...There was alot cool ideas in web of shadows
The reason why the game had problems is because Activision forced Teyrack to release the game too soon. Web of Shadows could have been great, if developers had more time to finish the game. They even showed some concempt arts during the credits and we could have had a Moon Knight symbiote boss fight in the game as well.
This is the perfect review, it acknowledges the games strong and weak points equally and while it brings up very valid issues, it doesn’t try to use those issues to call it a bad game, it’s not. It’s a good game with a few flaws. This review nails that point perfectly
Very, VERY different channels my dude. Not in any way comparable. GamingBrit generally doesn't do long-form essays. I personally love TGB and Whitelight for both doing their own thing.
This game was a blast from start to finish on my initial play through. The story was so amazing, and I only fell more in love with it while the plot was thickening. The word I would use to describe all aspects of the gameplay: streamlined. The traversal is the simplest it has been besides Spider-Man 2000, Enter Electro, and 2002. All you have to do is hold down the go button and press X or L2 when you want to jump or zip to a perch point. The transition from wall to air to ground traversal is nearly seamless. Therefore, it does not contain complex button presses to do the cool stuff. You can just hold R2 and watch as Spider-Man swings about the city. There are more options, yet less freedom. I love the traversal of the game, but will admit that there were some tricks that I wish they brought back. The combat is very simple on the surface. You've got your staple web-strike, melee, dodge, and web buttons. However, it's how you can mix these together and string together long combos that makes it so satisfying. If you are really good at not getting hit, you can easily rack up a 200-hit combo with ease. The extra challenges (such as web-throw x amount of enemies, or web x amount of enemies to walls) helps to get rid of the monotony that you speak of. To me, the way to best enjoy the combat is to use all the tricks you can at your disposal. That's something that the Arkham games have taught me, since you were ranked by how much variety you used in combat. They should have implemented that grading system into the combat here for the challenges, replacing it with the timed challenges. I much prefer the combat in this game over the Arkham games since you juggle enemies with multiple hits rather then mow them down one by one, however I do notice the severe lack of gadget variety and uses that you have mentioned. With Arkham, all gadgets work together to be best suited for different situations. You can bat claw someone to put them closer to you, or you and throw a batarang at them to stun/incapacitate them from a distance. And the combat is best when hopping from enemy to enemy. With Spider-Man, it's more about keeping your enemies at bay while you focus on one specific target. The gadgets all seem to strengthen that principle. Web shots can lead into web-throwing enemies and crowd control. The concussive blast is an area effect, whereas insta-kills with the impact and trip wire are for dealing with individual targets, and so on. You can uppercut and enemy into the air allowing for you to get away from all the others that swarm you. With that being said though, I find more entertainment in Spider-Man's more acrobatic animations. and also more satisfying than Arkham's combat, and a lot of that is due to the focus meter. And it most resembles the combat system from Spider-Man 2 in that respect. Exquisite thorough analysis. I thought you were a tad harsh on the game, but I understand that it was only because of what a Spider-Man game means to you. I love how you went on to say this the best Spider-Man game for the general consensus. They laid the foundation for a very approachable Spider-Man game from all fronts: story, combat, traversal and collectibles. I believe it truly is the ultimate Spider-Man experience due to how much it got right, and I am expecting great things from the sequel.
My problem with the combat system is how unchallenging it is there are barely any hard enemy combinations save for the whip guys which are more annoying then hard to fight and how the healing destroys nearly all the difficulty also I really don’t like how the game doesn’t emphasise combos and combat variations like Arkham does in this game you can easily just cheese the enemies and you won’t suffer any reprimands there should have been more rewards for using different combat styles it would be very easy to implement and would fit perfectly into the game
I agree with most of the points in this video minus the characters and the bosses, i found this take on MJ to be pretty boring honestly. She is just Lois Lane and is pretty much a name only version of MJ and every interaction with her feels the same with her alwasy mneitoning the breakup and not sharing much chemistry with Peter. The fact that her sections are boring doesn't help. I also found the Rhino and Scorpion bossfight to not be as good as you said. It was enjoyable but i kinda wished you could have made the villains take each other out or do it in a more creative way.
21 Swords That’s a lazy excuse insomniac uses. While some people do actually (idiotically) believe that, insomniac was just lazy when it came to writing her and Peters relationship. In the comics (before the dark ages of modern 616 Spidey comics) MJ would emotionally comfort Peter. They were in all of this together. And their amazing relationship didn’t require MJ’s occupation to be closely related to Peters superheroics. Rather than just writing and performing scenes that require MJ and Peter to have real human conversations with each other, they decided to turn her into a reporter and have MJ complain about being a damsel in distress. Giving love interests of superheroes certain professions that automatically string them close to the protagonist (journalist like Lois lane, science major like Gwen Stacy) has always been a contrived plot device. And Insomniac decided to go with that.
My ideas for car chases in the sequel: Police radios in. There's at least 1 (or more) car tearing through NY at crazy speeds. You need to be at your best to catch up to the vehicle, because it's not only fast, but there's goons firing machine guns at you. If needed, you might be better off hitching a ride on the Police car to catch up to the crooks. Getting on the car requires a manually-aimed web zip, and you'll latch onto the car in different ways depending on the type of car. Sedan, convertible, truck, the variety adds a new wrinkle in stopping their rampage. Once you're on the speeding vehicle, the occupants within will do everything they can to get you off and/or squash you. Crooks can lean out the window to shoot at you, or even fire at you through the roof ala Spider-Man 1. If there's 2 cars in the encounter, the one behind the car you're on may even try to ram it to shake you off. You have the choice of either performing a vehicle takedown immediately that I'll detail in a bit, or incapacitating the crooks first, depending on how skilled you are as a player. In regards to taking out the thugs one by one, you have the option of: 1) flipping to either side of the car and having a brief fist-fight with them ala Spider-Man 3 The Game, 2) flipping to the front of the car and webbing their windshield up ala Amazing Spider-Man The Game, in which case the driver will take evasive action to try and throw you off, 3) breaking into the car and performing a QTE event to take down the thugs from inside ala Deadpool. Now for the vehicle takedowns. The trick to all of these is that they're completely player controlled, and you have to think fast to pull it off. You have the option of 1) Ripping the hood off and smashing the engine, 2) Channeling Spider-Man 2 and slowing down the car with multiple web anchors (that can break easier depending on where you fire them), 3) Performing a small QTE and producing a web net to catch the car, 4) jamming the tires with webbing. Did I mention that the scenarios can vary depending on how many cars are being chased or if the thugs have a hostage with them?
The swing kick can actually hit multiple enemies, so you can sort of use it for crowd control. There's also a funny combination where you [swing kick + jump off] enemy back into swing kick and repeat ultimately stun locking that enemy, works best on jet-pack dudes.
I love how this game emphasizes and rewards mastery of the Perfect Dodge mechanic. By giving you challenges during Base Missions to use perfect dodges, they teach you to use them and give you more experience with them. And then rewarding you when you achieve mastery with Instant Takedowns and more Focus, they make the game more cinematic and more efficient. With skills like the Equalizer, the game becomes quicker and easier and really makes you feel accomplished. I just wish the game had more air combat than “basic 4 hit combo” and had some Wall Combat. Actually, overall the game’s combat feels a bit repetitive and boring. Disregarding finishers and environmental attacks (which, granted, are large parts of skilled gameplay,) there isn’t really much diversity in combat, at least visually. It’s still great, but could definitely have been better. I’d say that, for as good as the combat is (and it is good, no matter how much I may criticize it,) the best parts of this game are... well, everything else. Except for the “puzzles”. Those suck. 1:13:36 Josh Keaton in The Spectacular Spider-Man.
Excellent analysis of the swing mechanics. Touched on a lot of the issues I personally found troublesome, such as not being able to touch the ground when swinging and hovering as a result, not being able to achieve maximum speed after diving from the tallest building, and unrealistic momentum from web zips. These problems, along with the fact that you are essentially invulnerable when swinging and not able to take damage from smacking into walls, trees, the ground, suffering from friction burns, ie get penalised for being unskilled or careless, took me out of the game. Every time I see something that ruins my suspension of disbelief, web swinging as a plausible concept in real life weakens. If the core essence of Spider-Man requires the bending of physics to make it work, then the possibility of gaining spider powers one day is now much less appealing to fantasise about. Perhaps making the web swinging as realistic as possible was never an option. Perhaps realistic swinging would not only be no fun, it would also make the game utterly unplayable. Perhaps realistic swinging would ruin the game. But certainly I think insomniac has the ability to make a more believable swinging engine at the same level of fun. Reviewers who don’t bother to address these problems and invariably claim it’s the best swinging system ever as if it was perfect, whilst ruthlessly bashing, or worse, ignoring older Spider-Man games that had better mechanics drive me nuts. So thank you for pointing out these issues and making me feel like I am not alone in being not 100% happy with them.
I just remembered that when I was like 5-6 my dad got web of shadows for pc and I couldn't for the life of me remember it's name. Thanks for bringing it so much, and now I'm probably gonna get it.
This reminds me. The Catwoman chase in Spiderman 2 (PS2) is easily still the most spellbinding chase sequence I've ever experienced in a game, in what is still my favorite sandbox, for all it's PS2 charms :)
I just recently found your channel And subscribed instantly As a game designer, your videos are almost like the holy bible for me. Keep up he good work
Great video, dude. I love the game as much as anybody, it's one of my favorite games of... probably ever, but definitely of this generation. But that doesn't mean I didn't also have a ton of annoyances and nitpicks, and you pretty much covered all of them! Music being generic, mechanics being shallow and guided, the story doing this awkward villain shift and spending most of its runtime just looking for devil's breath/mr. negative, you're not alone at all in feeling that way. I appreciate some in-depth nitpicking now that the devs have already gotten their deserved praise. In terms of villains for the next game, Venom and Green Goblin have got the big bads covered, and Sandman, Kraven, Mysterio and Chameleon if they wanna reach for other big name Sinister Six members. I imagine they're gonna pull in Miles' dad as Prowler, too. It's like the only villain he's got that anyone remembers. Bit of a reach here, but I wanna see Spot in a sidemission or something, either in the sequel or DLC. Emotional weight? No. Super fun powerset, iconic suit, funny dude? Absolutely. I also wouldn't mind seeing a bad guy like Shocker return in another minor role. "you could say it's the game's strong _suit_" BOOOOOOOOOOOO
This swing is easily the smoothest and most intuitive swing system we've ever had. Yet compared to web of Shadows you can literally only move forward and backward and jump off. In Web of Shadows you could zoom straight up you could do loopy loops you could go around buildings. I want web of Shadow speed & style but with this game's smoothness and rumble feedback. Also add many more swing animations like the kind we see in the cutscenes. also add grinding and skidding and wall grabbing and improve wall-crawling to make it more manual. Add a more consistent and more fluid webtunnel move that can be used more frequently and doesn't kill momentum. I would literally do nothing but swing for hours and hours. Add the ability to swing off of poles with the wall grab button. The jump button should never make Spider-Man just jump in the air but should instead be a point to point system like web grapplehook.
Watching this 2 years later...it's amusing how many of the complaints in this game are actually fixed in Miles Morales. Despite being short, it really is better than this game in almost every way (and that's from someone who said Spider-Man PS4 was his new favorite game of all time)
@@lordofdarkness4204 The combat is less gadget focused - only 4 that feel more dynamic to use - and the venom and cloaking abilities mix up the usual combat, especially when you can accidentally alert enemies and then zip back to the shadows Also because it's a shorter, more focused game it doesn't have a lot of that crime bloat and stuff the original had...all the side quests and events feel like an extension of the story thanks to the focus on Harlem and its community.
Regarding the combat system, air combat is encouraged from the tutorial level as it started you build focus faster, this is great when you're not using battle focus as your ability and let's you escape ground tension and gives you a clearer view of ranged fighters
I hope the sequel treats miles sort of like cat woman in Arkham city. You play as him sometimes but he is not the main character. Either that or he could be the main character as that would give a story reason for starting out with none of the upgrades you got in the previous game.
1:01:02 Fun Fact : There is actually foreshadowing to The Sinister Six in Otto's Lab. After Norman cut funding for his experiments, Otto moved to getting his funding from A.I.M.S, our favorite evil S.H.I.E.L.D Counterpart. There he was designing advanced armor plating, a giant syringe for "healthcare purposes", some kind of genetic engineering on a monitor, etc etc.
I like the puzzles, it does bring some immersion, on being peter parker, since he HAS a super high IQ. it would make sense it is "easy " for him, while DOC was struggling to fix it. Plus it breaks a bit of the combat so overal it is okay.
I’ve got to play this. I’m a Spider-Man fan and I’ve been waiting for years for another good Spider-Man game, and this one looks like everything I’ve ever wanted as a fan. The graphics, holy shit. It would appear that no other game so perfectly captures what it’s like to be the web-slinger himself. Thanks Whitelight, you’ve gotten me all excited now
Traversal: The best web-swinging system we've had, but not nearly as perfect as I would've liked it to be (it does get me excited for what Insomniac is going to do with it in the sequel). I hated that there was no fall damage, the devs said they don't wanna punish the players for messing up, it takes about 10 minutes, and I'm being generous here, to pretty much perfect your swinging. I don't think they realize that there are no toddlers playing the game. Crimes: Overall great, but it did get a bit bland after doing the same crimes 50 times each. Car chases though are boring and uninspired, the thugs somehow manage to not crash into anything while driving through the streets of New York!! And if you chase the car around you'll notice that they take the same path over and over. Somehow when you take out the thugs, including the driver, the car will still manage to do a perfect 90-degree turn. It feels more like an interactive movie rather than a game if you get what I mean. Story: Great and mostly predictable with the few exceptions. The predictability doesn't take much away from the story though, it's one of those "it's about the journey, not the destination" type of thing. Combat: Same with traversal in that it's one of the best combat systems in any game, but it could be much better. After reaching a certain level you can literally end fights in seconds. Boss fights: Arguably the least impressive and most disappointing thing in the game, apart from maybe 2 boss fights, Electro/Vulture fight, and the final fight. Also, the supervillains don't come out to play until late game, so you're stuck with shitty thugs, demons and annoying sable soldiers. Science mini-games: Why? Yes, you can go to the options and turn on skip mini-games, but those mini-games combined are a good chunk of the game, but if devs felt the need to add the option to skip them, then that probably tells you that they're not good enough to be in the game. MJ/Miles Stealth missions: All boring, repetitive and basic, all apart from one, which was the Rhino stealth section (Which was still repetitive and basic af but it still served a purpose). Going from playing as the amazing Spider-Man to a helpless powerless teenager really put things into perspective, first time playing through that section with the behemoth almost mythical looking creature that is the Rhino looking around for Miles really made me scared for him. I loved MJ throughout the game and her relationship with Peter, but I hated when she kept getting herself into dangerous situations then saying shit like "I got myself in this mess so I'll get myself out" to Peter and also complaining about him trying to save her. I understand the need for strong female characters in all forms entertainment and I'm all for that honestly, but it shouldn't get in the way of common fucking sense. Motherfucka you keep infiltrating militia bases full of trained soldiers that will probably shoot first and ask questions later, and you have the gall to bitch about Peter trying to get you out of a situation that you could've never gotten yourself out of, he's literally saving your life. I hate when games or any form of media try to overcompensate on the progressiveness, and ye she did explain her attitude later on but that doesn't really excuse her being difficult and push Peter away like that, that just comes off as petty and childish. Side missions: Were ok, but again, could've been way better. JJJ: Shit character. The only good iterations are JK Simmons's and the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon's JJJ, both are great and lovable, Marvel's Spider-Man's JJJ, however, can go suck a fat one. Thank god I found out about the option to turn his annoying ass podcast off. I would've liked more Taskmaster challenges. Overall, definitely the best Spider-Man game in almost every aspect no questions asked. Seeing how well Insomniac did on their first attempt at a Spider-Man game makes me really excited for what they're gonna do in the next game. I doubt anyone will read this whole thing, but if someone did. Hi, good job, you did something I would've never dared to do, you get nothing for it though. Btw the advanced suit is the best Spider-Man suit PERIOD, FIGHT ME.
Im surprised they didn't come up with more crime diversity. Do you remember in the previous games when a lady had a purse snatched or when yo had to bring people to hospital? There's even less diversity than the older games lol.
"that just comes off as petty and childish" like most feminists then? haha. but forreal there's not even a need for strong female characters in media. We've always had them. Aliens, Terminator, Resident Evil, Wonder Woman, SpiderWoman, any Mortal Kombat women. Off the top of my head.
AftermathRain if the traversal speed was doubled, id say it surpasses web of shadows and spiderman2 in each of their own ways. But alas its quite slow and thus feels more animation than physics based. Never clunked against a wall in Spiderman ps4. Shows the lack of physics.
Despite the old school and repetitive design of the boss encounters, I did think it was a wise choice to make almost every single one of them incorporate web swinging in some fashion due to the large vertical arenas. In my opinion, this offered a little bit more freedom and helped to make the fights feel like a authentic Spider Man brawl. You can argue Web of Shadows had this to a degree, but it was mostly web strike than web swinging. The sad thing about adopting free flow combat is that while it works great for hordes of enemies, it starts to show its limitations tremendously whenever you’re fighting someone one on one. Why do you think every boss fight in Asylum and City was against a big brute with groups of thugs or a giant monster because when it’s one on one with someone your regular size, it just becomes a sequence of boring QTEs or just waiting for them to get dizzy or stunned for you to wail on them. Web of Shadows and even Shattered Diemensions’ combat had far more in common with the likes of Devil May Cry or God of War to where you had more options in going up against a boss or a group of enemies. It would be nice for Insominac to add more to the combat systems they already have in place and attempt to try to make their boss encounters feel a little less repetitive and simple.
Agreed . I think it's the dodge mechanic as it is designed that play a big role regarding the problem you mention. Sames as the counter in Arkham games. It doesn't make duels exciting .
I hardly used the gadgets in combat aside from the spider bots unless I was doing a challenge or intentionally mixing things up. I preferred the web shooters for their versatility. That said, I really enjoyed the combat. I would go to crimes just for the fun of trying out combo ideas.
My only problem with the taskmaster stealth challenges is that to get ultimate you basically have to just memorize the enemy's positions and the correct order to rapidly take them out
I loved "ninja-ing" across the city in ultimate and arbor shadows, basically traversing the city by wall running jumping bouncing etc everything but swinging and zipping. You can't do that in this game at all.
Can't wait to watch your critique on Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (if you're gonna do it). I hope you do it close to the same way you did this video. This video just flows so well and is so very enjoyable. I have watched it 10+ times now, just because how good it all is.
Om the subject of gadgets, I agree with everything except the spider drones part, when they are maxed out they melt enemies, and that is a life saver on an harder difficulty
Yes. This. Thank you, sir. I love the game, but it feels like a first draft, especially in regards to the navigation. You are completely correct in your assessment of R2. It’s too automated. I miss the Sunset Overdrive navigation, as it presents a lot of depth in the movement to button-input. I find the crimes repetitive🤷🏻♂️Would love to hear cries for Help! and click R3 to perform a zoom on the relative origin location, initiating the encounter.
I thought I was the only one that remembered and found Web of Shadows great at some aspects. I liked the comparisons between my favourite Spiderman games
Miles is crucial to the story because he adds a different dimension to peters character that we've not seen in any of the different iterations of spiderman. We get to see and experience him as the mentor, as he slowly influences and develops Miles' moral compass. We've gotten lots of versions of Spiderman and Peter parker. But all of which are as a student. Maguire's spiderman was the Student of Doc Oc, Garfields was influenced by Uncle Ben and Captain Stacey and Holland's has Tony Stark. And while This version of Parker is still a student of Otto and May; He also takes what he's learnt from them and his experiences as spiderman and passes that knowledge onto Miles.
Excellent analysis. You really point out everything good and bad about this game. Personally, I hold it on a lower standard than the Batman Arkham trilogy.
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I actually really liked the backpacks. It gave you a look at his past, it was basically a bunch of easter eggs, my favorite of the collectibles.
Mine too
I completely agree.
I kind of hated them haha. How tf does Peter forget that many backpacks, when you use a backpack every single day for school. Like, his school books should be in there. Did he just buy new books and redo homework for all 25 or so backpacks lol. It came off as lazy. If you think about it for more than a few seconds you realize how ridiculous it is to think Peter lost that many backpacks. As if every time he received an important item from his history, he just left it under a bridge lol
@@inyrui true. I hate how unrealistic Spider Man is.
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The important momentos left behind sure. But I think it's actually funny that Spider man has to quickly stash his shit and then go off and fight crime. He swings all over the place in a big city. I can definitly imagine him losing his backpacks, not having time to go back for them or not able to find them.
@@lucaleone4331 yeah I can see what you mean, I tried and I honestly can't think of a better way they could have done these kinds of collectibles. The backpacks were a clever idea, I just always thought it was funny how he had like 30 backpacks with important mementos and just forgot about them haha. It does fit Peter's character pretty well
Just so people don't go back to the start of the vid for the time stamps:
1:27 - Presentation
7:51 - Traversal
20:24 - Crimes
26:05 - Side Activities
35:41 - Combat
54:16 - Story and Plot
1:07:59 - Characters
1:12:51 - Story Presentation
1:15:51 - Bosses
1:25:10 - Story wrap up
1:26:58 - Endgame
1:29:23 - Conclusion
Why to the start since every chapter has the timestamps in the beginning?
Idk, in case people want to go back to a part of the video but doesn't want to go back to other timestamps in the video itself or something.
Thank you dude
Give this man a trophy
bless your soul
"Hopefully this stuff comes with DLC..."
**the stuff comes with DLC**
I was going to comment this
I love how every missing suit you mentioned (except the symbiote suit, which they at least have their reason for not including) shows up in the DLC. Hell, the Raimi suit was even free!
I know Right lol miles Morales suit is the same as the symbiote suit I hope they both are in the sequel game
@@SOLAR-FLARE also the superior suit
Travis Hodges oh boy
@@SOLAR-FLARE nah, they killed Miles in the first minute of the sequel
@@SOLAR-FLARE your terribly wrong, saying that the symbiote suit is the same thing of miles suit
My absolutely favourite thing of this game is that all of Peter's open world lines are recorded twice. One where he's exerting like during fights and swinging, and one where he's just standing or walking around.
Whoa, they actually did that?
@@marcusjackson1887 Yes. He recorded most lines twice for this.
@@marcusjackson1887Living under a rock huh?
@@jollama Yeah, I'm renting this real nice slab of granite, it gets a little cramped down here but it's home.
@@marcusjackson1887Your response is funny, i like it. Sounds like a Spiderman quip
"No Raimi suit"
*laughs in update*
Right? I did enjoy the laugh out of that.
He was reviewing the game on it's release date clearly
@@theotherbeatle707 it was clearly a joke wtf
Felix Oyola-Rosa I’m like number 8 💯
"No Iron spider or OG spider Armour "
Laughs in DLC
About JJJ radio show, I think you missed to talk about how he is right sometimes. Most of the times he is over the top stupid like "maybe he hired people to kidnap your husband" etc but sometimes he talks about how pointless some of the actions you took like in the helicopter incident and that is true. Also, I liked his show after the bombing.
It's odd how they introduce JJJ, since they initially introduce him as exaggerated but with a legitimate point (since his first show is about how taking out Fisk will just cause a lot more problems due to the power vacuum) but it's like he gets progressively over the top as the game goes on.
@@jimbob1862 does he lose his mind around the end? I didn't come there
People were praising how they presented him as he can make you laugh or think about Spider-Man's actions.
No he doesn't, but his points have a lot less weight than they do at the beginning since he goes full Alex Jones parody whereas in the beginning his points have a bit of merit to them.
@@jimbob1862 is he really an Alex Jones parody?
I'd say he is, at least to a degree.
There is actually vulture's and Electro's armor in the lab, as well as a board with a draft of the raft on it.
Also it's fun that almost every suit you missed was added in DLC or updates.
While I haven't seen the videos yet, he does have vids on each individual DLC so I would imagine he talks about it there
Also nice pfp 👌
Edit: yep he does
Hello, fellow Phantom Theif!! Who's heart are we gonna steal, now!?
@@toastynachoos stop stop no its not funny anymore please it just makes you look so stupidddd
Looking good Joker!
@@NecromancerBree What? You good?
“Insta-kills, Stuns, and the Webshooters”
That had me heated for a minute, until I realized that it’s completely true.
I thought the exact same thing about the gadgets- too many and too clunky to use.
people enjoyed the gadgets in Arkham because they were optional and all of them were equally useful
@@nimeshsingh4943 impact webbing and normal webbing were awesome, trip mine was cool but I rarely ever used it, especially since the combat is a million times better than the stealth, web bomb was awesome, that gravity one was trash and so was the sonic blast, the spider drone was too OP so I never used it
@@Username-wj8pz As you play the DLC you'll discover their uses like the gravity one gets even whip guys, electric gets mini-gun brutes. Sonic blast is good for knocking people off buildings and if you web bomb then sonic blast they stick to walls instantly. They do have uses but it would've been nice to have a quicker way of accessing. Like in Assassin's creed
@@nimeshsingh4943 I didn't even know you could use the gravity one on the whip guys. That's cool, it's likely I'm just using the gadgets in the wrong way
The reason that there crimes disappear in the districts when you get 5/5 is so it isn’t an absolutely tedious grind to get all the crimes done in each district. Once you have 5/5 for each crime group it goes back to normal.
yeah but swinging around in the district for 30 min for the 1 thug crime left so you can get 100% is a lil tedious..But when is completionism not tedious
@@wastedpaladin6319 I still have mental scars from LEGO Skywalker Saga
@@castielffboi i still have scars from Batman Arkham Knight
@@wastedpaladin6319 fuckin riddler trophies.
or they could just have you get it to 5/5 and then continue spawning them occasionally so the world doesnt feel dead?
once you finish the story it does that anyway, so?
The point about double tapping L1 to change gadgets is so validated by the fact that I just finished the game yesterday and was like “Oh... what?!”
If you have played another insomniac games you would have know that! The sistem is te same from ratchet!
@@ciligonzalez2897 system*
@@NecromancerBree your syster. 😘
@@ciligonzalez2897 I love insomniac games and have played like half of the whole bunch of ratchet games and I didnt know that lol
i 100%ed the game and i just found out about that lmfao
"Review is very long"
Ha. I once saw a 7 hour review on Pokemon Omega Ruby. This is basically a vine to me
If you combine the length of Mauler's parted up videos, I think some are like 11 hour.
Shaymay is always a delight.
There's also some yahoo with a 7 hour Death Stranding video..
I watched that too, his accent makes it a smooth ride
You should watch some of Joesph Anderson’s critiques
YOU SAW IT TOO!?
While Spider-Man is definitely my favorite game of this year, I'll admit it's not perfect, and I love how you're able to praise the amazing parts of this game without being blind to it's faults. Really loving your videos!
Thank you.
WEST VIRGINIAAAAAAAAAAA
Ben Is Bread remember this as well though. VERY few games are perfect, and even then I don’t think there’s anything without faults.
while I think this game deserves critique some of these complaints are still just ugh I dont know how to play a game the way I want why cant the game make me.
which is a twist on the main complaint and the same complaint about freedom.
this game isnt perfect and its way too accesible but I still hear such bias in his voice. he just wants web of shadows again
Is this game good was thinking of picking it up?or is it very short?
The reason why swinging after a long dive might feel really slow is probably due to hardware limitations. The ps4 can only let go you as fast as it can load things up in time. Hopefuly this is improved in the new gen
It just makes you wonder how much better these games would be on PC. Since Sony plans to be bringing exclusives over hopefully this’ll be one of them
@@jebalitabb8228 Unfortunately PCs are really inconsistant. It's a shame that SSDs are not the absolute standard yet. There's still people with HDDs only, so games cannot be designed with the SSD in mind. They can be designed that way for the new gen tho
@@filipmajewski8382 imagine not having SSD and at least a RTX 3080 in 2021 lol
@@questionsfrog1918 I don’t have to, it’s what most people are missing
@@questionsfrog1918 oh so you are happy tha you live in a country with a stable economy and/or a good job to buy one unlike most people? THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'RE BRAGGING ABOUT? 😭
This is the only review I've seen that touched on the traversal issues. Thanks for pointing that out. The same goes for stealth. And you pointed out the qualities of TASM games. This was a good, thorough, and honest review. Sub
I like it as well
Hey man, I'm only 3 minutes in, but I gotta give props where props are due, I can already tell that you've put a massive amount of effort into this video, writing a script for an hour and a half long vid is no easy feat, neither is editing a video of that length. the work here is truly impressive, and I just wanted you to know, that I took notice, and that I care, I will finish this video later, but for now, I must sleep. Have a nice day!
Holy crap is that my favourite boy Renn with TWO ns? I've watched all your reviews. You're a truly hilarious guy and I'm really glad you found my channel. Thanks for posting that comment, it's really nice of you.
Ok, so after multiple sessions, I've finally finished this video, (not because the video is unengaging, but because of my own time constraints) This video was very engaging, and as someone who just completed Spiderman for the first time a week and a half ago, I agreed with about 99% of what you had to say in this video. This game was just "good" nothing more, it needed a lot more depth, but kept me engaged long enough to complete everything but the thug crimes.
The only thing that we disagreed on strangely enough, is the token system. I didn't mind completing all that padded out fluff because it was ultimately progressing my character, giving me a little buzz. every token was worthwhile in a way, made those activities feel worth doing, as boring as they were.
But I had no idea you watched my content! That's awesome! maybe DM me sometime tiger 👄
RennsReviews lol no one even noticed who you are smh
@@thomasjefferson2813 Yeah, I'll have to check him out. Renn with two N's?
Everybody's so nice here
I'm here because that Twitter dude criticized your lengthy videos, and then one of THEIR commenters had the nerve to call the word "critique" pretentious. WELL I NEVER! Love that you actually showed up there, that was hilarious.
I also loved this game, and I'm looking forward to watching this!
Thanks!
If you like Whitelight, check out MauLer. Made a 5 hour dissection of the Last Jedi and a nearly ten hour word by word response to Hbomberguy's video on Dark Souls 2
The geek crutiques here. Mr. hour long Metroid other M video. Then again, a game like that requires waaaaaay more than 20 minutes to go in depth.
@@cat_jk00 mauler isn't reliable. Bit of a prick tbh
@@Whitelight tell me....what types of side missions you want in the sequal?
Features wish list for a sequel:
Traversal:
Honestly, you hit the nail on the head with the freedom bit. Since their focus was on accessibility, I’d prefer to see these in a separate "complex swinging" option à la Spider-Man 2.
-Allow Spidey to touch the ground while swinging
-Double-handed web-zip by holding X instead of tapping(which launches you further but uses both web-zips)
-Upwards(vertical) web-zip perhaps by double tapping X with *no directional input*
-No line breaking if you hold onto R2(allowing you to perform full loops)
-Give wall-crawling its own button(as well as better, more responsive wall-crawling)
-Wall clings and rebounds(as in WOS)
-Consistent momentum physics(specifically, I mean that entering some animations causes you to lose momentum since they can start playing at a preset speed not always consistent with your momentum, thus feeling unnatural)
-Allow running down walls
-Classic(manual) pole swinging
-Web slingshot(Could use the move to point reticle system, “Choose two points, blast off!”)
-Allow web zipping to point from a wall crawl
-Few more air tricks
-Line climbing
-Much higher speed cap
-Allow the charge jump to hold(and release) a charge while in the middle of the parkour and perching animations
-Charge jump should give different heights based on how long you hold it
-*Option* for fall damage
Extras and gimmicks:
-Hang enemies off street lamps and poles
-Web attach to a helicopter going to Ellis/Liberty Island
-Create a web hammock and lay in it
-Simply sit down on a bench, fire escape or perch point and chill
-Web attach to the back of a speedboat and skid across the water(only with the Symbiote suit)
-Enter Peter's apartment whenever(with perhaps a few interactable lore items lying around)
-Allow Spidey to pet a dog
-Allow you to change the weather effects(Option for heavy rain and/or thunderstorm would be nice)
-Remote control Spider-Bot in free roam(to a certain distance)
-*Option* to set the crimes frequency via a slider(sometimes you just want to swing peacefully without any alerts popping up)
Side Activities:
While the crimes were great, I also personally wanted to see some _inconsequential_ interactions with the world, small stuff that gives a bit of charm to the world(that don't involve using fists)
-Rescue a cat from a tree
-Help up a fallen elderly person up off the ground
-Rescue a floating balloon for a kid(that tests how quickly you can gain height, not speed)
-Donate to the homeless
--Stop a lone thief/mugger and convince him to stop and re-evaluate his life(limited # of times)
-Grab a quick hot dog from a hot dog stand or a drink from a diner or coffee shop(like in Mafia 2)
-*Rarely* rescue someone from a burning building, with firefighters just arrived on the scene(so you can justify that they'll take care of it if you skip it)
-*Rarely* bring someone directly to the hospital from a car crash or injury/collateral damage, with ambulances already heading to the scene
-*Very rarely* rescue civilians from sinking boats with rescue boats already heading to the scene
-More web swinging races and an option to submit scores to a leaderboard for them
-Ability to create your own drone challenges and race them!
-Special missions with the wider Marvel universe(Avengers, Moon Knight, F4, DD, etc.)
Combat:
-More combat finishers
-Double (non-heavy)enemy finishers(using 2 focus bars)
-Allow slight camera control during finishers to begin targeting next enemy
-Web of Shadows AOE swing kick(Would love to knock criminals down like bowling pins again)
-Endless wave mode for the combat challenges and hideouts(with optional leaderboard)
-Web strike bouncing(as in WOS)
-Slightly more responsive gadget wheel(remove the half-second delay)
-Use left/right D-Pads for gadgets
-Allow you to complete the hideouts with stealth only
-More interesting and fleshed out stealth mechanics
Suits:
-All of the suits from this game carry over to the next game
-My personal pick for an original suit: www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8bmv35/spiderman_wakanda_vibranium_armor_concept_art/
Graphics:
-Spidey's reflection always showing on glass(Just real-time for Spider-Man himself, not everything)
-More car variety
-More NPC variety, also, kids, cyclists, etc.
World:
-All boroughs of New York explorable
-Some select few buildings enterable, like coffee shops, comic shops, etc.(the more "public" places) and maybe other unique Marvel locations like the Nelson and Murdock office, a hall of the Sanctum, a floor of the Avengers tower, a floor of the Daily Bugle, etc.
General:
-In-game Photo Mode gallery
-In-game Cutscene gallery
-Option to turn off the recurring Control Hints
-Option to turn off Lens Flare
-Continue to not have microtransactions and keep it consumer-friendly :)
EDIT:
-Changed/Added a few things
-Removed "no auto wall run" since, upon further thought, it works well and remains compatible with providing more options when hitting a wall
-No need to agree with all of it, just throwing ideas out there, thanks for the all the likes!
If anyone's still interested, I've gone on to make a full google doc about this complete with pictures/GIFs detailing all my points
Here it is: docs.google.com/document/d/1RJdcjV_NbdyCmR0fxswmU9mrI6hsCz-ckY-cncKVPxs/edit?usp=sharing
I would also add a bunch of stuff from Web of shadows like being able to fight on walls, fight in the air and the web strikes.
EpicControlzX#2 agree completely
wow. make sure to save this and post it everywhere. sounds great lol
Don't agree with a lot of them but there are a few good ideas in there
Half the suits from this game gotta go, one MCU suit, THE RAIMI SUIT, and some other suits are necessary
I do hope You're working on the miles morales "Half-sequel" - loved the vid
Honestly, my favorite stealth segment was when you're playing as MJ and can call Spider-Man to take down enemies. I think the stealth would function better if web rush takedowns alerted enemies and they added more takedown variations. Also, after finishing the story last night, I had no idea you could quick swap between gadgets until I saw this video.
I just finished that mission yesterday and my god it’s the funnest MJ mission to play every time. It also has the most story significance having Grand Central be where Spider-Man defeats Mr Negative at the end of the mission.
I think you pretty much nail all the major criticisms on the head here, but I will disagree with you on one thing: the inclusion of the Sinister Six. Their reveal felt pretty natural to me because we DO see set up for them. When Otto is shut down by Norman and he comes back, saying that he had found funding from other sources, we see him 3D printing armor pieces, mapping out the Raft, we even see the apparent cure for Vulture’s spinal cancer. On the screen over by the spectrograph mini-game, you see a display of a syringe. Peter even tries to wave it away by saying, “Maybe it’s for the neural implant, but that seems pretty big.” It wasn’t a massive ton of set up, I’ll grant you, but the fact that they constantly bring up the Raft, the fact that all the villains are there, JJJ even has a few episodes talking about it, and how Otto has clearly been setting up for their release for a while all seems pretty organic to me. Now, I didn’t watch much marketing, so I didn’t know they were in the game, so their inclusion was genuine shock for me (good shock, the “oh SHIT” kinda shock) because I knew the Raft was important to this universe, I knew Spidey had dealt with a lot of these villains before and to me, I didn’t need the game to dive into them much because I know them from the comics (kinda like how the Arkham games dealt with their villains), and because I knew Otto was up to SOMETHING, I just didn’t quite know what yet.
I do agree that Otto and Li sharing the same, generic plan was really lame though.
I thought that Otto and Li working together was pretty inspiring, I didn't see it coming at all, and it really solidifies the amount of karma waiting to bite Osborn in the face.
Thank you for pointing this out, this was one of the main things that annoyed me about his critique. I feel like the point also was to show aSpider Man deep into his carrer. It was almost a love letter to the fans or long time viewers of SpiderMan. (The "useless" backpacks also help because he talks about his past) The game sets up that this is a spider man with experience, and a past. I Liked how the Sinister 6 was brought in, I didnt need a HUGE build up But as you explained they still did a good job with subtle hints.
Also you WOULDNT have seen marketing for it because it was kind of the point how subtle it was. I even got a special edition of the game that came with a statue that labeled it as a spoiler warning bc it shows Spidey on top of all the bad guys armors in a victory pose.
@@hopesy12u4 Otto and Li working together wasn't bad, I liked it too, but it was more that we go through all the trouble in the game fighting Li to get the Devil's Breath back, where he keeps threatening to release it, yet Otto turns around, steals it *again* for like, the ninth time, then just releases it anyway. I feel like it would've worked better in a purely narrative pacing kind of way if the Devil's Breath just never turned up after Li's first arrest. I get that it was going for a subversion where we think we've hit the return to normality at the "end" of the story, which did surprise me on my first playthrough, but I was expecting Otto and his plotline to be saved for a sequel anyway, so having that lingering question of what happened to the Devil's Breath after Li's first capture would've aided that feeling of shock when the second half of the game hits, rather than a complete redux of Li's plan, except it worked this time. It's not awful as it stands, I absolutely love the game, but my point is that once you get over the initial shock that there's another 10 hours to the game, it's a little strange when you stop to think how Otto just gets the Devil's Breath after all the security breaches the Oscorp had *and* that any time Li went after the Devil's Breath, he needed an army just to get to it.
@@lucaleone4331 yeah, that's the thing, considering how relatively small the Sinister Six's role is in the overall story, the story didn't warrant a huge amount of set up. If they were going to be the main villains of the entire story, sure, it would need at least a little more explicit set up, but with Otto and Li being the main baddies and the Sinister Six being supplementary, how they're handled was completely fine, given they're obviously established villains for this universe's Spider-Man, who's been a hero for like, 8 years. Otto and Li are sufficiently built up as villains, so you understand who they are without the context of the comics and the rest are built up enough so, even if you aren't entirely familiar with them from the comics, you at least know that they're threats from Spider-Man's past exploits that we just didn't need to see.
I don’t really have anything to add but I thought I’d let you know that I enjoyed reading this :)
Just started watching this, but I'm liking anyway. Whether or not I wind up agreeing with you, just the amount of time you must've spent to make an hour and a half review deserves it.
1 month. Thanks!
First in depth review that doesn't hold this game up as the g.o.a.t without talking about the bad stuff in it. Good job bro
In regards to the criticism about the swing kick not having a function: I find that it's actually very useful depending on your playstyle. If you're someone who prefers to spend most of their time in the air and on the move it's an extremely important utility.
>It let's you launch dudes into an aircombo without needing to touch the ground first (the only other way to achieve this is to pull enemies towards you while in the air however this is slow and leaves you stationary which means you're vulnerable).
>It's a good way to quickly move larger distances without having to ground yourself in front of an enemy like the webstrike.
>It's vital for maintaining altitude, you can go an entire fight without ever touching the ground if you use the swing kick right.
On the higher difficulties being in the air is pretty much the safest place for spidey since you only have to worry about damage from ranged enemies. The swing kick along with the air dash are pretty much your core tools for staying in the air.
I think a really small tweak to the story could've been Martin Li being close with Otto - so when Otto looses his funding, Li starts funding - and when Li's almost beat, the emotionally unstable Ock turns to villany because he needs Li - he needs that funding, so he orchestrates the breakout.
From that small change Ock goes from our main villain to our tragic villain (even more so than in the story we got) where Li is still calling the shots but when you think it's all done Ock's still holding on to the villany after Li's down because he's too far gone - so we end up in a similar place but without a serious villain shift.
After playing DMC i think Spider-man could benefit with a style bar system. The more vary your attacks the better the score. So at the end of encounter you will get an overall rating. The higher the rating the more exp you gain, this could encourage the player to vary their attacks and strategies intern adding a layer of difficulty.
And on top of that the as the style meter goes up , your attacks visually change and become more and more acrobatic.
Also you are granted access to ( while your meter glow) attacks with more complicated input but more rewarding ! Layers on layers 😀
@@bogelins I think both of those ideas are great, that'd be awesome.
Um no..Rating players in open world games is dumb. It overall comes down to " You get a B rating for not playing the game this way"
*Looks at GTA V*
Frog Glen exactly. Plus it kind of screws over any casual players who may not be able to play a lot to be able to get really good at it
I play DMC too, but I've realized theres another action game franchise that is more hand to hand grounded fights. It's called Yakuza. There;s a meter called the "heat meter" and it's like a style gage that fills up the more you land hits and perform taunts. you can use them to perform "heat actions" which are context sensitive moves that are like SMPS4's finishers. Later on in the series, they introduced the red meter which is like the highest you can go with your heat meter and it powers up all your heat actions. Also in the Yakuza series, you can use up heat meter for certain action like using it to extend your combo or inputting a throw in the middle of your combo or countering an attack(while guarding). Generally having a higher heat meter gives you a better status but you can sacrifice them for heat moves and such.
I really hope the stealth is worked on in these upcoming dlc's more vent takedowns would be awesome. Instead of the 2nd wave of enemies knowing exactly where you are have them clueless of your whereabouts but on the lookout. Stealth crimes should be added as well
Your wishes were only listened to in Miles Morales, and even then only partially
But I think they will improve it further
I love how you gave the opinion of the (subjective) objective persona, rather than stating the psuedo-objective. I think this is needed in many other areas of debates, critique, and so on. But good on you for staying on track. As always, amazing review. You are by far my favorite critic/reviewer.
credit where credit is due. your review is the best review I've seen for this game. keep up the good work man. I love this game but found it jarring how easier the bosses were than the low level demons, sable agents and prisoners. solid 9/10 for me
Watching a year after the fact, this video reminded me why I could not be a critic lol. I definitely don’t disagree with much you had to say though. This is the type of review that’s really important to have out there because, if this is stuff Insominac can address in the sequel.. they will have truly nailed the experience (which is funny to say because, I felt they nailed the experience with this game! Let’s hope it’s all the better with the PS5 hardware and development cycle.
(Steps down from chair and unties noose) not today
Had no idea you watched my videos!
Whitelight haha I had no idea YOU watched my videos! I love your channel dude :D
Too damn wholesome
I hope you untied the noose before you stepped down....
I know it's a joke but I encourage you all to try and get better by doing things like visit counselors or psychiatrists. Calling a crisis line if you have a particularly shit day/night is good too.
Gotta say man. It's a little hard to hear negative things discussed for the game because I love it so much and I'm way too much of a Spider-Man die hard fanboy.
But this was a solid video and you were very objective in your analysis and review.
Great video dude.
If you are a hardcore Spidey fan you should criticize this game more. We should not allow them to get lazy with the "I'm a fan so I have to love it" mentality.
Look at what happened to me? I'm a huge Metal Gear fan. And then Phantom Pain and Survive happened.
Solud Snaik I couldn’t agree more.
I'm a die-hard fan Spider-Man Fanboy but I'm not afraid to admit this game as way to automated and unchallenging compared to all of the Spider-Man games
@@MSupaCroc Phantom Pain have the best gameplay in the entire series.
Second dont be a fanboy.
Remember, with great power comes great responsibility
18:16 This one bothered me a lot. Also to go from a perch and crawl down the wall was impossible. That frustrated me.
Melville Comics you can't even crawl down walls when youre on them.... and its the only game in recent years where you can't run/slide down a wall
@@Coreisus Yeah that stuff was baffling to me.
bro nice pfp it's actually really cool lol
Your Traversal segment is *chefs kiss* Everyone praises the navigation, but the Sunset Overdrive traversal had more depth. I miss the higher level of control. Really hope they fix the repetition.
There was one time in a Sable base where I only had to do 1 wave. I took them all out using stealth. Haven't been able to do it since though, it always automatically activates wave 2 when there's about 2-3 enemies left
Maybe some base missions allow it, and some don't.
Have you tried doing the same mission that allowed you to finish it within one wave on stealth again and found that it forces you to finish up till wave 6?
1:06:12 "You honestly have to be a Grade A, 24k gold-plated dipstick to struggle with the [puzzles] the game asks you to do."
DarksydePhil's ears are burning...
Oh, bugged puzzle mechanics. This game is bugged.
Wow. Never thought I'd see a comment about him lol
I struggled them because I don't want to do them
Martin Henebury you can add the option to skip them in Accessibility
@@linguafiqari so why have them in the game? If developers think they're so bad that people want to skip them
Amazing analysis. You nailed everything, especially the traversal part. I hope Insomniac sees this and learns from this critique.
Except he then essentially calls the game a masterpiece lmao
Matt Becker You can love a game and have issues with it
The dual web zip happens when there is no building in front of you but instead two buildings,one on the left and one on right.
i think that Jameson's commentary during the fall of new york bit is really nice, how he calls for leadership, self-defense and such, shows that he gets serious and oddly inspiring and comforting during trying times
I don't know how to say it but you have pretty much perfected the art of reviewing games. And your voice makes it feel like a movie I dunno how else to explain it.
If I had one critique is that you don't need the transition screens showing what you are about to discuss. It interrupts the buttery smooth delivery and its jarring.
But uh regardless I can't think of anybody else that can do what you can do and I thank you for every single second of every review you ever done.
I think the reason he has on-screen transitions is because this review was made before RUclips implemented their chapter system, where you could snap to any point in the video by simply hitting 7:51 for example.
Thanks for burning the midnight oil on this video. You did a superb job of covering all aspects of the game, and I really appreciate that.
As for mechanics, I really have an extremely difficult time wall crawling especially upside down on a ceiling to gran backpacks and complete some of the research station objectives. I feel Insomniac should better streamline those mechanics for the Spiderman sequel.
Thanks again for your time and arduous work. Much appreciated with the utmost gratitude.
Watched whole vid and even with the fact I’ve got a Spider-Man obsession cause of this game, love this vid dude. Absolutely got everything right.
I have been waiting, and I have r e c e i v e d
There is evidence in otto's lab for scorpion's new needle, and the raft escape. You can also see the 4 villains posters next to each other in peter's lab room
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This is a must watch for anyone even considering to buy the game. Before I played it all I could hear was - It made me feel like spiderman 10/10 masterpiece, best game ever. No reviewer mentioned how mundane it can get and I was mislead. Thanks for this video!
I mean, the game is still great, it's just not as perfect as people say it is. More of an ignorance on the general public's part. Everyone's like "wow, this is the best Spider-man game since Spider-man 2" but you can bet they never played a Spider-man game, not even Spider-man 2.
@@mar_speedman I wouldn't say great with how shallow everything is
@@theotherbeatle707 The game is not shallow, it's very deep and meaningful, I have no idea what you mean
Why would you watch this before buying the game? This literally ruins the whole game for anyone who’s thinking of playing. Just watch a 2 mins review with no spoilers and make up your mind. Best to not go into the game with any bias or pre conceived notions. Just start it up and see how you like it
Air combat is still useful because it gives you extra focus.
Air combat is essential when 8 goons attack at the same time 😂
Swing kicks do have utility. They are more of a crowd control that throws people off buildings, or pushes them away. You can go to one enemy to another that is relatively close just by swing kicking. I like to punch enemies in the air jump off them and then swing kick the next guy. Hope that makes sense.
You also run out of gadgets. Early you don’t even have the good gadgets. Later you have so many enemies that you run out of gadgets. You can’t win big fights with gadgets. You also run out of throwable objects. This is when air combat and swing kicks come in
There's few crimes in the game that you can't cheese with gadgets. It's true, huge fights in the story or hideouts cannot be cheesed entirely, but certainly made far easier. I know what you mean with the swing kicks. They aren't CC, but you can use it as a transition, although I don't see how that's exclusive to the swing kick. You can transition with the web strike and jump off too if you're in the air.
Whitelight that’s very true, I sort of set limits for myself so I only used 3 gadgets not including web shooters. Thank you for responding, massive respect for that. Keep up the good work.
If you see someone near the edge and don't want to use a gadget, then jump + swing kick is the single fastest way to knock them off. And it has a greater range than the uppercut launcher.
Swing kick also is the non-gadget, balanced quick and long range attack to pin a webbed target that is just far enough from the wall for a basic web shooter not to stick them down. It is second fastest behind the close ranged throw. The third fastest is web throw (which has the longest range) and, finally, the basic combo is the slowest.
Lastly, swing kick can sometimes extend the amount of time you stay airborne while maintaining a combo.
I really did appreciate the aerial jump-off tactic, I hadn't used it before to knock enemies off of ledges. What's extra nice about it is that you choose the direction they go, so you can corral them easily or disperse them at will.
I'm about halfway through the video now, and he just mentioned that air-combat was basically pointless. This is a great in-depth review but this point really irks me. It feels very incorrect because air-combat actually provides 3 incredible bonuses:
1. It gets you off the ground. If you're surrounded by enemies and getting hit from all sides, fighting above the crowd is better than fighting in the middle of them.
2. *Focus builds significantly faster when dealing damage in the air than fighting on the ground*
3. *You deal MORE damage with more focus*
Air-combat is extremely beneficial. It gets you away from tons of damage, it makes you build focus even faster than normal, and as an added bonus, you end up doing more damage after you're done doing a combo on some poor thug in the air. I don't know if these points are going to be mentioned later, but I really do hope they are.
@@spartan456 All true and valid points.
Thank you for mentioning web of shadows ...They have some good things in web of shadows that i think future spiderman games should take note from...Might not have been the greatest spiderman game but they had combat on the side of buildings...They introduced great webzipping combat.....You also could activate the venom suit on the fly and tons more...There was alot cool ideas in web of shadows
The reason why the game had problems is because Activision forced Teyrack to release the game too soon. Web of Shadows could have been great, if developers had more time to finish the game. They even showed some concempt arts during the credits and we could have had a Moon Knight symbiote boss fight in the game as well.
This is the perfect review, it acknowledges the games strong and weak points equally and while it brings up very valid issues, it doesn’t try to use those issues to call it a bad game, it’s not. It’s a good game with a few flaws. This review nails that point perfectly
I absolutely love these reviews they are very enjoyable and informative.
This channel is like a better and more consistent version of TheGamingBritShow. Keep up the good work!
Very, VERY different channels my dude.
Not in any way comparable. GamingBrit generally doesn't do long-form essays.
I personally love TGB and Whitelight for both doing their own thing.
This game was a blast from start to finish on my initial play through. The story was so amazing, and I only fell more in love with it while the plot was thickening.
The word I would use to describe all aspects of the gameplay: streamlined.
The traversal is the simplest it has been besides Spider-Man 2000, Enter Electro, and 2002. All you have to do is hold down the go button and press X or L2 when you want to jump or zip to a perch point. The transition from wall to air to ground traversal is nearly seamless. Therefore, it does not contain complex button presses to do the cool stuff. You can just hold R2 and watch as Spider-Man swings about the city. There are more options, yet less freedom. I love the traversal of the game, but will admit that there were some tricks that I wish they brought back.
The combat is very simple on the surface. You've got your staple web-strike, melee, dodge, and web buttons. However, it's how you can mix these together and string together long combos that makes it so satisfying. If you are really good at not getting hit, you can easily rack up a 200-hit combo with ease. The extra challenges (such as web-throw x amount of enemies, or web x amount of enemies to walls) helps to get rid of the monotony that you speak of. To me, the way to best enjoy the combat is to use all the tricks you can at your disposal. That's something that the Arkham games have taught me, since you were ranked by how much variety you used in combat. They should have implemented that grading system into the combat here for the challenges, replacing it with the timed challenges.
I much prefer the combat in this game over the Arkham games since you juggle enemies with multiple hits rather then mow them down one by one, however I do notice the severe lack of gadget variety and uses that you have mentioned. With Arkham, all gadgets work together to be best suited for different situations. You can bat claw someone to put them closer to you, or you and throw a batarang at them to stun/incapacitate them from a distance. And the combat is best when hopping from enemy to enemy. With Spider-Man, it's more about keeping your enemies at bay while you focus on one specific target. The gadgets all seem to strengthen that principle. Web shots can lead into web-throwing enemies and crowd control. The concussive blast is an area effect, whereas insta-kills with the impact and trip wire are for dealing with individual targets, and so on. You can uppercut and enemy into the air allowing for you to get away from all the others that swarm you. With that being said though, I find more entertainment in Spider-Man's more acrobatic animations. and also more satisfying than Arkham's combat, and a lot of that is due to the focus meter. And it most resembles the combat system from Spider-Man 2 in that respect.
Exquisite thorough analysis. I thought you were a tad harsh on the game, but I understand that it was only because of what a Spider-Man game means to you. I love how you went on to say this the best Spider-Man game for the general consensus. They laid the foundation for a very approachable Spider-Man game from all fronts: story, combat, traversal and collectibles. I believe it truly is the ultimate Spider-Man experience due to how much it got right, and I am expecting great things from the sequel.
My problem with the combat system is how unchallenging it is there are barely any hard enemy combinations save for the whip guys which are more annoying then hard to fight and how the healing destroys nearly all the difficulty also I really don’t like how the game doesn’t emphasise combos and combat variations like Arkham does in this game you can easily just cheese the enemies and you won’t suffer any reprimands there should have been more rewards for using different combat styles it would be very easy to implement and would fit perfectly into the game
@@yutrops2193 Silver Lining (on Ultimate) forces you to use every tool at your disposal just to survive.
@@yutrops2193 what?
I agree with most of the points in this video minus the characters and the bosses, i found this take on MJ to be pretty boring honestly. She is just Lois Lane and is pretty much a name only version of MJ and every interaction with her feels the same with her alwasy mneitoning the breakup and not sharing much chemistry with Peter. The fact that her sections are boring doesn't help.
I also found the Rhino and Scorpion bossfight to not be as good as you said. It was enjoyable but i kinda wished you could have made the villains take each other out or do it in a more creative way.
apparently in 2019 her being a model would be offensive.
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That’s a lazy excuse insomniac uses. While some people do actually (idiotically) believe that, insomniac was just lazy when it came to writing her and Peters relationship. In the comics (before the dark ages of modern 616 Spidey comics) MJ would emotionally comfort Peter. They were in all of this together. And their amazing relationship didn’t require MJ’s occupation to be closely related to Peters superheroics. Rather than just writing and performing scenes that require MJ and Peter to have real human conversations with each other, they decided to turn her into a reporter and have MJ complain about being a damsel in distress. Giving love interests of superheroes certain professions that automatically string them close to the protagonist (journalist like Lois lane, science major like Gwen Stacy) has always been a contrived plot device. And Insomniac decided to go with that.
@@chka1043 never thought of it like that. Yeah I agree they were definitely lazy when writing their relationship.
for me this is the better version of MJ
@@chka1043 one more day flashbacks,😕😒
My ideas for car chases in the sequel:
Police radios in. There's at least 1 (or more) car tearing through NY at crazy speeds. You need to be at your best to catch up to the vehicle, because it's not only fast, but there's goons firing machine guns at you. If needed, you might be better off hitching a ride on the Police car to catch up to the crooks. Getting on the car requires a manually-aimed web zip, and you'll latch onto the car in different ways depending on the type of car. Sedan, convertible, truck, the variety adds a new wrinkle in stopping their rampage. Once you're on the speeding vehicle, the occupants within will do everything they can to get you off and/or squash you. Crooks can lean out the window to shoot at you, or even fire at you through the roof ala Spider-Man 1. If there's 2 cars in the encounter, the one behind the car you're on may even try to ram it to shake you off. You have the choice of either performing a vehicle takedown immediately that I'll detail in a bit, or incapacitating the crooks first, depending on how skilled you are as a player. In regards to taking out the thugs one by one, you have the option of: 1) flipping to either side of the car and having a brief fist-fight with them ala Spider-Man 3 The Game, 2) flipping to the front of the car and webbing their windshield up ala Amazing Spider-Man The Game, in which case the driver will take evasive action to try and throw you off, 3) breaking into the car and performing a QTE event to take down the thugs from inside ala Deadpool. Now for the vehicle takedowns. The trick to all of these is that they're completely player controlled, and you have to think fast to pull it off. You have the option of 1) Ripping the hood off and smashing the engine, 2) Channeling Spider-Man 2 and slowing down the car with multiple web anchors (that can break easier depending on where you fire them), 3) Performing a small QTE and producing a web net to catch the car, 4) jamming the tires with webbing. Did I mention that the scenarios can vary depending on how many cars are being chased or if the thugs have a hostage with them?
The swing kick can actually hit multiple enemies, so you can sort of use it for crowd control. There's also a funny combination where you [swing kick + jump off] enemy back into swing kick and repeat ultimately stun locking that enemy, works best on jet-pack dudes.
I love how this game emphasizes and rewards mastery of the Perfect Dodge mechanic.
By giving you challenges during Base Missions to use perfect dodges, they teach you to use them and give you more experience with them. And then rewarding you when you achieve mastery with Instant Takedowns and more Focus, they make the game more cinematic and more efficient. With skills like the Equalizer, the game becomes quicker and easier and really makes you feel accomplished.
I just wish the game had more air combat than “basic 4 hit combo” and had some Wall Combat.
Actually, overall the game’s combat feels a bit repetitive and boring. Disregarding finishers and environmental attacks (which, granted, are large parts of skilled gameplay,) there isn’t really much diversity in combat, at least visually. It’s still great, but could definitely have been better.
I’d say that, for as good as the combat is (and it is good, no matter how much I may criticize it,) the best parts of this game are... well, everything else. Except for the “puzzles”. Those suck.
1:13:36 Josh Keaton in The Spectacular Spider-Man.
Josh Keaton in the Spectacular Spider-Man.
I said that in the comment, lol.
Im liking becoz of your lengthy comment ....you deserve it 😁
He didn't specifically mention tv shows in that example. There's also the possibility he simply hasn't seen spectacular
Which is fine, I was just listing an example.
I quite liked the photos since Peter is revisiting his love for photography combined with his speed when swinging show how fast his life moves.
Excellent analysis of the swing mechanics. Touched on a lot of the issues I personally found troublesome, such as not being able to touch the ground when swinging and hovering as a result, not being able to achieve maximum speed after diving from the tallest building, and unrealistic momentum from web zips.
These problems, along with the fact that you are essentially invulnerable when swinging and not able to take damage from smacking into walls, trees, the ground, suffering from friction burns, ie get penalised for being unskilled or careless, took me out of the game. Every time I see something that ruins my suspension of disbelief, web swinging as a plausible concept in real life weakens. If the core essence of Spider-Man requires the bending of physics to make it work, then the possibility of gaining spider powers one day is now much less appealing to fantasise about.
Perhaps making the web swinging as realistic as possible was never an option. Perhaps realistic swinging would not only be no fun, it would also make the game utterly unplayable. Perhaps realistic swinging would ruin the game. But certainly I think insomniac has the ability to make a more believable swinging engine at the same level of fun.
Reviewers who don’t bother to address these problems and invariably claim it’s the best swinging system ever as if it was perfect, whilst ruthlessly bashing, or worse, ignoring older Spider-Man games that had better mechanics drive me nuts. So thank you for pointing out these issues and making me feel like I am not alone in being not 100% happy with them.
I just remembered that when I was like 5-6 my dad got web of shadows for pc and I couldn't for the life of me remember it's name. Thanks for bringing it so much, and now I'm probably gonna get it.
This reminds me. The Catwoman chase in Spiderman 2 (PS2) is easily still the most spellbinding chase sequence I've ever experienced in a game, in what is still my favorite sandbox, for all it's PS2 charms :)
Well, don’t forget. They need to include the best Spider-Man villain for a sequel.
Big Wheel.
I want big wheel blue streak rocket racer arcade and his murder world and white rabbit along with lizard in the next Spider-Man game
Oh please. Everyone knows The Spot is best Spidey villain
To the tune of that one Lynyrd Skynyrd song: Big wheel keep on turnin', lettin' me kill the Spider-Man
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Great video, dude. I love the game as much as anybody, it's one of my favorite games of... probably ever, but definitely of this generation. But that doesn't mean I didn't also have a ton of annoyances and nitpicks, and you pretty much covered all of them! Music being generic, mechanics being shallow and guided, the story doing this awkward villain shift and spending most of its runtime just looking for devil's breath/mr. negative, you're not alone at all in feeling that way. I appreciate some in-depth nitpicking now that the devs have already gotten their deserved praise.
In terms of villains for the next game, Venom and Green Goblin have got the big bads covered, and Sandman, Kraven, Mysterio and Chameleon if they wanna reach for other big name Sinister Six members. I imagine they're gonna pull in Miles' dad as Prowler, too. It's like the only villain he's got that anyone remembers. Bit of a reach here, but I wanna see Spot in a sidemission or something, either in the sequel or DLC. Emotional weight? No. Super fun powerset, iconic suit, funny dude? Absolutely. I also wouldn't mind seeing a bad guy like Shocker return in another minor role.
"you could say it's the game's strong _suit_" BOOOOOOOOOOOO
When will be the Strong suit released ??? Wait...
Huh I dunno why but listening to your analysis while drawing is quite soothing 🙏🏻💥✨
This swing is easily the smoothest and most intuitive swing system we've ever had. Yet compared to web of Shadows you can literally only move forward and backward and jump off. In Web of Shadows you could zoom straight up you could do loopy loops you could go around buildings. I want web of Shadow speed & style but with this game's smoothness and rumble feedback. Also add many more swing animations like the kind we see in the cutscenes. also add grinding and skidding and wall grabbing and improve wall-crawling to make it more manual. Add a more consistent and more fluid webtunnel move that can be used more frequently and doesn't kill momentum.
I would literally do nothing but swing for hours and hours. Add the ability to swing off of poles with the wall grab button. The jump button should never make Spider-Man just jump in the air but should instead be a point to point system like web grapplehook.
Add the ability to surf from cars. Or grab a trash can lid on your way with slow time and skid from it.
Watching this 2 years later...it's amusing how many of the complaints in this game are actually fixed in Miles Morales. Despite being short, it really is better than this game in almost every way (and that's from someone who said Spider-Man PS4 was his new favorite game of all time)
What did that game improve?
@@lordofdarkness4204 The combat is less gadget focused - only 4 that feel more dynamic to use - and the venom and cloaking abilities mix up the usual combat, especially when you can accidentally alert enemies and then zip back to the shadows
Also because it's a shorter, more focused game it doesn't have a lot of that crime bloat and stuff the original had...all the side quests and events feel like an extension of the story thanks to the focus on Harlem and its community.
Regarding the combat system, air combat is encouraged from the tutorial level as it started you build focus faster, this is great when you're not using battle focus as your ability and let's you escape ground tension and gives you a clearer view of ranged fighters
I hope the sequel treats miles sort of like cat woman in Arkham city. You play as him sometimes but he is not the main character. Either that or he could be the main character as that would give a story reason for starting out with none of the upgrades you got in the previous game.
The ign of punching people line had me dying. Good stuff mate
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Fun Fact : There is actually foreshadowing to The Sinister Six in Otto's Lab. After Norman cut funding for his experiments, Otto moved to getting his funding from A.I.M.S, our favorite evil S.H.I.E.L.D Counterpart. There he was designing advanced armor plating, a giant syringe for "healthcare purposes", some kind of genetic engineering on a monitor, etc etc.
The smart people doing smart things tune always reminds me of Mass Effect.
“This game is a Marvel”
I see what you did there
I like the puzzles, it does bring some immersion, on being peter parker, since he HAS a super high IQ. it would make sense it is "easy " for him, while DOC was struggling to fix it.
Plus it breaks a bit of the combat so overal it is okay.
I also didn't have a problem with the non Spiderman segments it's what I wanted for arkham.
@@baki484 though on new game + or second and third playthroughs I do disable them
I’ve got to play this. I’m a Spider-Man fan and I’ve been waiting for years for another good Spider-Man game, and this one looks like everything I’ve ever wanted as a fan. The graphics, holy shit. It would appear that no other game so perfectly captures what it’s like to be the web-slinger himself. Thanks Whitelight, you’ve gotten me all excited now
46:13 - The animation put into this looks amazingly smooth and real... So dope looking.
“Review is very long”
Yes, because the Death Stranding review was shorter
Traversal: The best web-swinging system we've had, but not nearly as perfect as I would've liked it to be (it does get me excited for what Insomniac is going to do with it in the sequel). I hated that there was no fall damage, the devs said they don't wanna punish the players for messing up, it takes about 10 minutes, and I'm being generous here, to pretty much perfect your swinging. I don't think they realize that there are no toddlers playing the game.
Crimes: Overall great, but it did get a bit bland after doing the same crimes 50 times each. Car chases though are boring and uninspired, the thugs somehow manage to not crash into anything while driving through the streets of New York!! And if you chase the car around you'll notice that they take the same path over and over. Somehow when you take out the thugs, including the driver, the car will still manage to do a perfect 90-degree turn. It feels more like an interactive movie rather than a game if you get what I mean.
Story: Great and mostly predictable with the few exceptions. The predictability doesn't take much away from the story though, it's one of those "it's about the journey, not the destination" type of thing.
Combat: Same with traversal in that it's one of the best combat systems in any game, but it could be much better. After reaching a certain level you can literally end fights in seconds.
Boss fights: Arguably the least impressive and most disappointing thing in the game, apart from maybe 2 boss fights, Electro/Vulture fight, and the final fight. Also, the supervillains don't come out to play until late game, so you're stuck with shitty thugs, demons and annoying sable soldiers.
Science mini-games: Why? Yes, you can go to the options and turn on skip mini-games, but those mini-games combined are a good chunk of the game, but if devs felt the need to add the option to skip them, then that probably tells you that they're not good enough to be in the game.
MJ/Miles Stealth missions: All boring, repetitive and basic, all apart from one, which was the Rhino stealth section (Which was still repetitive and basic af but it still served a purpose). Going from playing as the amazing Spider-Man to a helpless powerless teenager really put things into perspective, first time playing through that section with the behemoth almost mythical looking creature that is the Rhino looking around for Miles really made me scared for him.
I loved MJ throughout the game and her relationship with Peter, but I hated when she kept getting herself into dangerous situations then saying shit like "I got myself in this mess so I'll get myself out" to Peter and also complaining about him trying to save her. I understand the need for strong female characters in all forms entertainment and I'm all for that honestly, but it shouldn't get in the way of common fucking sense. Motherfucka you keep infiltrating militia bases full of trained soldiers that will probably shoot first and ask questions later, and you have the gall to bitch about Peter trying to get you out of a situation that you could've never gotten yourself out of, he's literally saving your life. I hate when games or any form of media try to overcompensate on the progressiveness, and ye she did explain her attitude later on but that doesn't really excuse her being difficult and push Peter away like that, that just comes off as petty and childish.
Side missions: Were ok, but again, could've been way better.
JJJ: Shit character. The only good iterations are JK Simmons's and the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon's JJJ, both are great and lovable, Marvel's Spider-Man's JJJ, however, can go suck a fat one. Thank god I found out about the option to turn his annoying ass podcast off.
I would've liked more Taskmaster challenges.
Overall, definitely the best Spider-Man game in almost every aspect no questions asked. Seeing how well Insomniac did on their first attempt at a Spider-Man game makes me really excited for what they're gonna do in the next game.
I doubt anyone will read this whole thing, but if someone did. Hi, good job, you did something I would've never dared to do, you get nothing for it though.
Btw the advanced suit is the best Spider-Man suit PERIOD, FIGHT ME.
Im surprised they didn't come up with more crime diversity. Do you remember in the previous games when a lady had a purse snatched or when yo had to bring people to hospital?
There's even less diversity than the older games lol.
"that just comes off as petty and childish" like most feminists then? haha.
but forreal there's not even a need for strong female characters in media. We've always had them.
Aliens, Terminator, Resident Evil, Wonder Woman, SpiderWoman, any Mortal Kombat women. Off the top of my head.
Couldn’t agree more
This game has not a single gameplay aspect that's above average. Not even one.
It's far from being the best Spider-Man game.
AftermathRain if the traversal speed was doubled, id say it surpasses web of shadows and spiderman2 in each of their own ways.
But alas its quite slow and thus feels more animation than physics based.
Never clunked against a wall in Spiderman ps4. Shows the lack of physics.
Despite the old school and repetitive design of the boss encounters, I did think it was a wise choice to make almost every single one of them incorporate web swinging in some fashion due to the large vertical arenas. In my opinion, this offered a little bit more freedom and helped to make the fights feel like a authentic Spider Man brawl. You can argue Web of Shadows had this to a degree, but it was mostly web strike than web swinging.
The sad thing about adopting free flow combat is that while it works great for hordes of enemies, it starts to show its limitations tremendously whenever you’re fighting someone one on one.
Why do you think every boss fight in Asylum and City was against a big brute with groups of thugs or a giant monster because when it’s one on one with someone your regular size, it just becomes a sequence of boring QTEs or just waiting for them to get dizzy or stunned for you to wail on them.
Web of Shadows and even Shattered Diemensions’ combat had far more in common with the likes of Devil May Cry or God of War to where you had more options in going up against a boss or a group of enemies.
It would be nice for Insominac to add more to the combat systems they already have in place and attempt to try to make their boss encounters feel a little less repetitive and simple.
Agreed .
I think it's the dodge mechanic as it is designed that play a big role regarding the problem you mention.
Sames as the counter in Arkham games.
It doesn't make duels exciting .
Every suit he complained about not being there, was put in the game lol
Except for the Symbiote suit.
@@craftymasterproductions4218 Tho there I really don't understand the criticism anyway.
I hardly used the gadgets in combat aside from the spider bots unless I was doing a challenge or intentionally mixing things up.
I preferred the web shooters for their versatility.
That said, I really enjoyed the combat. I would go to crimes just for the fun of trying out combo ideas.
I 100%'ed this game and still didn't know about the jump off enemies and quick gadget switch :/
"Car chases are a lot more interesting..."
1 minute later.
"Overall, these gravely disappointed me..."
So, what's the takeaway here?
They're notionally more interesting but incredibly shallow in practice, did you not watch the video or are you just dumb?
theyre more interesting than what came before but still ass
My only problem with the taskmaster stealth challenges is that to get ultimate you basically have to just memorize the enemy's positions and the correct order to rapidly take them out
.....SO ?? rocksteady already showed how cool that cna be with batman arkham knight
That's basically every stealth challenge ever. What makes it interesting is the execution, which is fairly shallow in spiderman.
Man the video for spider-man 2 is gonna go crazy
This is the best hour and a half of exam procrastination I could've asked for
The one thing I got from this feature length video is "Doctorpus"
I loved "ninja-ing" across the city in ultimate and arbor shadows, basically traversing the city by wall running jumping bouncing etc everything but swinging and zipping. You can't do that in this game at all.
When i first saw the reveal I couldn’t give a shit now that I got played and finished it’s my goty hands down
Can't wait to watch your critique on Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (if you're gonna do it). I hope you do it close to the same way you did this video. This video just flows so well and is so very enjoyable. I have watched it 10+ times now, just because how good it all is.
You think he’s forgiven them for no Venom suit in the first one?
Om the subject of gadgets, I agree with everything except the spider drones part, when they are maxed out they melt enemies, and that is a life saver on an harder difficulty
Yes.
This.
Thank you, sir.
I love the game, but it feels like a first draft, especially in regards to the navigation. You are completely correct in your assessment of R2. It’s too automated. I miss the Sunset Overdrive navigation, as it presents a lot of depth in the movement to button-input.
I find the crimes repetitive🤷🏻♂️Would love to hear cries for Help! and click R3 to perform a zoom on the relative origin location, initiating the encounter.
I thought I was the only one that remembered and found Web of Shadows great at some aspects. I liked the comparisons between my favourite Spiderman games
I can't wait to see an insomniac Kraven!!! I feel like that story line would be wild!
"Taskmaster is the IGN of punching people" - I see what you did there 😂
Spectacular analysis! Appreciate your master work here.
You can wall bounce, but its a bit more complicated than WOS. Dodge onto the wall then hit X.
just release R2 then press it again to run on the wall then tap x before he really starts running
in fact its nearly identical to WOS
Miles is crucial to the story because he adds a different dimension to peters character that we've not seen in any of the different iterations of spiderman. We get to see and experience him as the mentor, as he slowly influences and develops Miles' moral compass. We've gotten lots of versions of Spiderman and Peter parker. But all of which are as a student. Maguire's spiderman was the Student of Doc Oc, Garfields was influenced by Uncle Ben and Captain Stacey and Holland's has Tony Stark. And while This version of Parker is still a student of Otto and May; He also takes what he's learnt from them and his experiences as spiderman and passes that knowledge onto Miles.
Excellent analysis. You really point out everything good and bad about this game. Personally, I hold it on a lower standard than the Batman Arkham trilogy.
I love how to still show every timestamp between each talking topic. Wish a lot of you tubers would do that