Does it matter though? I barely use the human units and never use a single shadow, the hero trio is more than capable to solo the mission on Titan without any thought to it. Its kind of a shame really
@@nicknibs6554 you are absolutely correct and I completely agree with your idea. That map felt way too easy. I really missed having to build 3 separate forces
These tier lists are always so interesting to me because of how different some options can be.I passionately disagree with 90% of your rankings, but I think that is the beauty of it. Still, it was hard to tolerate all that no-build hate ;)
Like for me i loved the no build designs and their max difficulty on titan. The strangers does offer new things and new strats, thors hammer one is also ok if you know what are the general triggers are. If played carefully i can (and did) beat the last wave on titan difficultly. (edit: pre-patch (saving and loading a lot works)
@@onatyungul872 I just blocked it with the gold mine power. That power is so busted on so many maps you can remove half the mechanics of 70% of the norse campaign.
@Tsusday I haven't seen anyone talking about the potential to use Dwarven Mine cheese as a wall against the AI in campaign or single player, but it is a MEGA cheese strat!!
Personally I hate any tier list where the vast majority of the options end up in S and A tier. So it is refreshing to see things being graded on a curve.
I honestly like campaigns with exploration for example like more bandits mission there is so much you can find by exploring the map relics buildings etc it's honestly one of my favorite campaign missions.
Light sleeper was so much more fun on the original, kempst’s army was a lot stronger, I used to try to beat it without the guardian. I did it with hardly any army this time. The original was sooo many avengers, scorpion men and war elephants. It’s weird cause most the other missions are at least a bit harder
Everybody knows the best ones are: 8: Bad News 14: Isis Hear my plea 19: Watch That first step 21:Where They Belong 23: The Dwarven Forge 26: Union 27: The Well of URD 30: All is not lost 31: Welcome Back 32: A place in my Dreams 10:06 WHAT AM I DOING PLAYING PVZ? 17:49 i remember the Troll spam, you leved it XD 19:17 How many Giants do you want? Essemble studios: Y E S
As a kid (years ago) i loved mission 21 (i think) old friends. Played it over and over again. Recently bought the retold version and i am struggling with egypt (doesnt help that i am playing after a long workday ;)
I think this tier list works for difficulties under Titan. Hear my plea is one of the hardest missions on Titan difficulty. Meanwhile Lost Relic can be cheesed by making 3 priests, building a ton of obelisk to win time and aggro units and just ensuring you kill the Son of Osiris so that he doesn't nuke every single obelisk too fast, basically you can ignore 95% of the mechanics of this map and never produce a single unit or building outside of a temple and 3 priests. Having completed all campaigns on titan, cheeses and knowing triggers can mitigate a lot of map design sadly, but in a way it's expected, you shouldn't be able to just brute force or have a low skill level to clear them. The whole egyptian side for example can be cheesed and carried by sons of osiris spam.
@@ffarkasm I must've missed a trigger when I tried it. When I liberated the cage it didn't lead to instant victory screen. Only when I destroyed the last unit producing build. Might've got something to do with doing it on week one maybe. Thanks for the cue tho.
To me it seems like the triggers in 32 are sometimes broken. I did the mission on hard and on titan and it felt harder on hard because it got attacked more often. I also thought its funny that you can still kill the statue without uber arkantos, you dont even need to build the wonder.
Every time I see someone say something about the mission "A long way from home" they say to just build in the center and its fine, but I mostly got attacked from the left or the right, they almost never came from the little chokepoint and no walls did not stop the AI from attacking there on Titan difficulty...
They always come from the front and from the top, just be sure to defend those 2 sides too, don't take too much time to attack, ia for some reason start doing bigger and bigger armies if time passes and you can't deal with them, the moment u have a big with some colossos and u just got attacked, go all in
Wait the last one? You get a super early Son of Osiris even on Titan and the attacks barely qualify as a threat, especially because they can now attack your allies bases and they withstand one or two attacks even without any help. The second town center in the corner gives you safety for an economic boom and once you get the wonder up there is nothing that can stop Arkantos The mission before that is significantly harder if you dont cheese it with underworld passage or play extremly aggressive, because there is no answer to mass chimera spam after a certain point apart from single medusa micro to take them out individually. Attack frequency, unit composition and army strength is significantly stronger in that map
The Underworld section of Good advice is absolutly fucked up. They give me flimsy unupgraded spearmen and chariots and Age 2 priests that all INSTANTLY melt to the damn Avengers and Chimera. Even with ghe shades one shotting them. It was misrable.
I played Quiron misión after the last patch and they fix it, is no longer a nightmare of a misión, is still difficult but not insanely difficult as when they release retold
@@WoofyMcDoodle same I beat both campaings before they made any fix I was just redoing all the champaing just for fun. Also in the second Egyptian misión you don’t get the roc anymore nor you can create one from the temple. 😁
Lost Relic definitely should be redesigned to keep the obelisks and alerts at lower difficulties but to remove them at hard and titan.
Does it matter though? I barely use the human units and never use a single shadow, the hero trio is more than capable to solo the mission on Titan without any thought to it. Its kind of a shame really
@@silvershine2261 I think you may be referring to strangers and not the lost relic? Lost relic is the one where you meet Amanra and unearth the sword.
@@nicknibs6554 you are absolutely correct and I completely agree with your idea. That map felt way too easy. I really missed having to build 3 separate forces
lol "strangers" is one of my favorit, saving all your lost soldiers, meeting the shades. i love it
These tier lists are always so interesting to me because of how different some options can be.I passionately disagree with 90% of your rankings, but I think that is the beauty of it. Still, it was hard to tolerate all that no-build hate ;)
Like for me i loved the no build designs and their max difficulty on titan. The strangers does offer new things and new strats, thors hammer one is also ok if you know what are the general triggers are. If played carefully i can (and did) beat the last wave on titan difficultly. (edit: pre-patch (saving and loading a lot works)
@@onatyungul872 I just blocked it with the gold mine power. That power is so busted on so many maps you can remove half the mechanics of 70% of the norse campaign.
@Tsusday I haven't seen anyone talking about the potential to use Dwarven Mine cheese as a wall against the AI in campaign or single player, but it is a MEGA cheese strat!!
Personally I hate any tier list where the vast majority of the options end up in S and A tier. So it is refreshing to see things being graded on a curve.
@@ElAlame1n Wait till you finish the Brokk campaign's last mission on titan difficulty in 3minutes. XD
Unlikely heroes was really hard on titan. The only way i managed it was by using reigliefs healing on the other heroes making them almost invincible
I honestly like campaigns with exploration for example like more bandits mission there is so much you can find by exploring the map relics buildings etc it's honestly one of my favorite campaign missions.
Light sleeper was so much more fun on the original, kempst’s army was a lot stronger, I used to try to beat it without the guardian. I did it with hardly any army this time. The original was sooo many avengers, scorpion men and war elephants. It’s weird cause most the other missions are at least a bit harder
Everybody knows the best ones are: 8: Bad News 14: Isis Hear my plea 19: Watch That first step 21:Where They Belong 23: The Dwarven Forge 26: Union 27: The Well of URD 30: All is not lost 31: Welcome Back 32: A place in my Dreams
10:06 WHAT AM I DOING PLAYING PVZ?
17:49 i remember the Troll spam, you leved it XD
19:17 How many Giants do you want? Essemble studios: Y E S
Yes. Those and 'Good Advice'.
More tier lists please Saw! This was great!
As a kid (years ago) i loved mission 21 (i think) old friends. Played it over and over again.
Recently bought the retold version and i am struggling with egypt (doesnt help that i am playing after a long workday ;)
Hey Saw Nice to see you upload how are you feeling?
I think this tier list works for difficulties under Titan. Hear my plea is one of the hardest missions on Titan difficulty. Meanwhile Lost Relic can be cheesed by making 3 priests, building a ton of obelisk to win time and aggro units and just ensuring you kill the Son of Osiris so that he doesn't nuke every single obelisk too fast, basically you can ignore 95% of the mechanics of this map and never produce a single unit or building outside of a temple and 3 priests. Having completed all campaigns on titan, cheeses and knowing triggers can mitigate a lot of map design sadly, but in a way it's expected, you shouldn't be able to just brute force or have a low skill level to clear them. The whole egyptian side for example can be cheesed and carried by sons of osiris spam.
You can cheese 'Isis Hear my Plea' and to it under 3 minutes even on titan difficulty.
@@ffarkasm I must've missed a trigger when I tried it. When I liberated the cage it didn't lead to instant victory screen. Only when I destroyed the last unit producing build.
Might've got something to do with doing it on week one maybe. Thanks for the cue tho.
To me it seems like the triggers in 32 are sometimes broken. I did the mission on hard and on titan and it felt harder on hard because it got attacked more often.
I also thought its funny that you can still kill the statue without uber arkantos, you dont even need to build the wonder.
Every time I see someone say something about the mission "A long way from home" they say to just build in the center and its fine, but I mostly got attacked from the left or the right, they almost never came from the little chokepoint and no walls did not stop the AI from attacking there on Titan difficulty...
They always come from the front and from the top, just be sure to defend those 2 sides too, don't take too much time to attack, ia for some reason start doing bigger and bigger armies if time passes and you can't deal with them, the moment u have a big with some colossos and u just got attacked, go all in
Honestly, the last mission was a nightmare for me, and I was just playing on normal.
More importantly, though, I hope you feel better soon!
Wait the last one? You get a super early Son of Osiris even on Titan and the attacks barely qualify as a threat, especially because they can now attack your allies bases and they withstand one or two attacks even without any help. The second town center in the corner gives you safety for an economic boom and once you get the wonder up there is nothing that can stop Arkantos
The mission before that is significantly harder if you dont cheese it with underworld passage or play extremly aggressive, because there is no answer to mass chimera spam after a certain point apart from single medusa micro to take them out individually. Attack frequency, unit composition and army strength is significantly stronger in that map
i hate Just Enough Rope. Too damned hard. The Collosus spam is insaneeeeeee
The Underworld section of Good advice is absolutly fucked up. They give me flimsy unupgraded spearmen and chariots and Age 2 priests that all INSTANTLY melt to the damn Avengers and Chimera. Even with ghe shades one shotting them. It was misrable.
Since when can't you use underworld in bad nieuws? I've played bad nieuws in retold and it didn't prevent me...
I played Quiron misión after the last patch and they fix it, is no longer a nightmare of a misión, is still difficult but not insanely difficult as when they release retold
I am proud to say I beat it on hard before any patch.
@@WoofyMcDoodle same
@@WoofyMcDoodle same I beat both campaings before they made any fix I was just redoing all the champaing just for fun. Also in the second Egyptian misión you don’t get the roc anymore nor you can create one from the temple. 😁
I hope u get better from COVID
The games prettier but I prefer the original