Z Gundam (video game) Char's Ending - SUBBED
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2012
- Char's Ending from the Zeta Gundam Playstation game. I've seen a lot of raws of this, but no subs. I found a translation (sorry, it's been a long time: I don't remember where I found it, or who translated it. I claim no credit of my own) Re-uploaded after my other channel got pulled (not because of this video).
I love how this video shows Char's reaction to sensing Kamille get brain-fried, and how his cynicism starts to undo the philosophies and attitudes he'd begun to develop in "Zeta," bridging the gap as it were with "Char's Counterattack," as well as showing what happened to the real Mineva Lao Zabi after the Battle of Gryps. 
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This was the moment Quattro Bajeena died, and Char Aznable reemerged.
And one day Casval Rem Deikun will return and finally achieve independence for Spacenoids. Sieg Zeon.
Wtf are you talking about, they're two different people.
Thanks to kamilie
Totally different people
@@AthelstanKing it the same person bro
This... This probably should've been a scene in Zeta. Because this actually fills in the character development gap for CCA...
MS14JG-2 should have been a scene in ZZ
Santiago Scarpino Agreed
F91 and CCA are bad as the trainwreck that is SEED? You got some interestingly bad opinions.
It's already in the Zeta though. Just listen when Char opposes the Jaburo drop operation and how he is baffled by his own speech. It's all in the dialogue.
@Santiago Scarpino f91 and CCA were fantastic and its unforgiveable you'd metion them in the same liost as SEED destiny
I think the loss of Kamille is what put Char on the path to his CCA attitude. The boy was his hope for the future who he saw as a brother or son and Char lost him and all his friends in Zeta in a battle that ultimately meant nothing since the Neo Zeon war still happened. On top of it he had to see the AEUG, a group he fought and bled in the dirt for, a group he saw turn into another form of the Feddie army using newtype kids as weapons with no regards for what happens to them. This (in my mind) pushed Char over the edge that led him where we find him in CCA. He knows what he is doing is evil but he sees it as a means to an end. He also reignites his feud with Amuro due to all his unresolved trauma and (again in my mind) directing all his anger and frustration onto Amuro, who he sees as the culmination of everything. Chars story is complex and deep, which I think makes him such an interesting character.
If Amuro returned to the space with AEUG CCA wouldn't happen.
Godzilla00X I think your statement makes since.
Although the AEUG was using them as weapons.. Judau and his friends are the embodiment of the future Char wanted to realize. Newtypes working together honing their gifts as they try to change the world.
@@ttravis10 and Yet Judau left Inner Sol to Jupiter, and because of that, Crossbone happened.
@@Bitterman5868 is that covered in Crossbone? Been loving ZZ and Judau in particular. Been thinking about reading it.
Funny... The saddest moment of Gundam actually didn't happen in any of the TV series.
what was it
@@seven.9543 kamille fucking shot himself in the novels apparently after the the battle with scirocco
@@ninjatrenton03 oh shit....
@@seven.9543 heavy shit man, but that's what's implied, obviously double zeta gundam happened and Kamille made a return in it
@@ninjatrenton03 Did he? Didn't the novel say that Kamille's cockpit was open after the death of scirocco and that he was unconscious, implying that he committed suicide?
...and suddenly CCA actually makes sense.
nungun - It seems like such an oversight to not add a scene like the beginning of this in CCA. I mean if it was going to show flashbacks to Lalah anyway, then why not add a flashback like this?
God damn, exactly my thought
CCA still makes sense if people were paying attention. Literally all the people Char had left were killed at the end of Gryps Conflict. Everything he feared would happen started after Zeta.
AEUG starting using Newtypes as weapons, Haman Karn started a war under Zabi family's banner and the Federation didn't change its ways.
Char was a protagonist in Zeta because he had hope for the future. He genuinely believed people like Kamille could change things for spacenoids for the better. But he lost everything and everyone again. Lalah's dead, Natalie's dead, his comrades, his friends, the majority of his family and the elite on Earth is still continuing to oppress his people even though at this people they have no reason to continue holding on the colonies and preventing their autonomy.
Yes, his methods are wrong but he's doing what he did because he believed there was no other way.
More sense, at least.
@@RandomAllen He still have sayla even though she didn't appear in cca. To me that's the odd part of the movie. She should've been there trying to talk to him or at least just chilling there with bright or something.
I guess Char went full Psycho in this one huh. That's three times faster than I thought he originally would.
I freakin LOVE that they did this, it helps bridge the gap to Char's Counterattack so much, as it just felt kind of random for Char to be 'evil' again.
"Again"? He never was evil, he's just neutral towards everyone if you count out Gundam the Origin timeline
@@tk_mitternacht963 Sounds like an evil villain would say after deciding that being good guy sucks and return to his roots.
If this was in zeta, it could've been one of the most iconic and powerful scene of all time.
Or ZZ
So because of Kamille we had Char's Counterattack and ultimately Gundam Unicorn.
***** you? blaming Scirocco?
I blame Gato
+Soundcollector, Scirocco was right about the AEUG.
How so?
Liking Victory over Unicorn. You sicken me.
Sooo, Quattro Bajeena died with the Hyaku Shiki. . .
yep
the hyaku shiki lives on in all the golder painted mobile suits from akatsuki in seed to vincent in code geass
but hyaku shiki was still seen on zz
@@someone_one_one It also lives on as the Unicorn Phenex
@@windersteria the Pilot was nowhere close to Char. Not to mention it was already starting to age near the end of Zeta by the time ZZ came it was getting mid tier and by the end of that it was totally obselete.
This is how Char began his descent into darkness....
In the Man who could not ride the Rainbow, Bright told the Federation brass & his Vist interrogators that Char fell into despair, because many of the top echelons of the Federation in 0093 had fought in the AEUG for spacenoid rights with Bright and Char, but went running back to their positions oppressing spacenoids in the Federation as soon as the wind changed. He also says that's it's because of such people that Char did what he did. Also, with so many people dying seemingly needlessly to save the world from Jamitov and Scriocco yet Haman seized power thereafter, no one was vindicated.
His mentorship of Kamille became his only sanctuary and Kamille destroyed himself to save the world from Scriocco. That seemed to be the final straw for him.
Bright spoke with Sayla at the end of ZZ and they both felt it was obvious if Char stood again he would become the greatest enemy they would ever know. He threw away everything and sacrificed all to change the world; yet changed nothing. Zimmerman said in the Unicorn novel he could perfectly understand Char, having an enemy he wanted to beat, an opponent he can vent his frustrations on to feel fulfilled. He can forget his despair by chasing after the enemy. His hatred for the Federation, hatred for people unwilling to change, hatred for himself as he was unable to do anything to make a difference. Bright said no one, not even Amuro could grasp the depths of his despair and that's why they were unprepared for his passionate madness, to destroy Earth and kill billions.
I like this footage, which provides the backstory of what happened with Char going MIA after the end of Gryps Conflict with Titans, nicely filling in the gap in Char's story between Z Gundam and Char's Counterattack.
Now if only there was one of these to explain Full Frontal...
+Simon Jr. Zerihun Wasn't it extracted by Anaheim, they weaponised Frontal with Char's vengeful memories (dormant in the Sazabi psycho-frame) and he then escaped aided by Neo-Zeon in the newly constructed Sinanju?
Full Frontal was a genetically altered near identical Cyber Newtype copy of Char. His memories were implanted from the Psycoframe
that absorbed the "Will" of Char that drifted through space. He
possesses the remnant thoughts of Char (part of his soul) which were
distorted in despair because humanity did not change after witnessing
the miracle that occurred during "Axis Shock".[1] Later when witnessing the miracle again with Banagher, he was contacted by the spirits of Char Aznable and Lalah Sune who told him it's time for him to move on. Full Frontal's "spirit" then merged back with Char's
Full frontal also didn't have identity crisis. He realised that he wasn't the real Char/Casval. I don't like how the anime making it so obscure and ambiguous while the novel explained it very well. One of reason i disliked unicorn. They tried so much to make it seems like Fulm Frontal is a surviving Char from CCA events.
You know what's really ironic? Char initially opposed Haman, because she wanted to conquer and rule the Earth sphere in order to free it from the corruption of the Earth Federation. Char did not want to repeat what the Zabi family tried 8 years earlier. He wanted humanity to peacefully leave the Earth and go into space.
But this moment. This moment right here. This is the moment where he lost all hope. Kamille's fate made him realize that it was useless. Not just the Titans, almost all of humanity was corrupted, their souls weighted down by gravity. They would have never freed themselves from it.
This realization is what made Char become how he is in Char's Counterattack. He had become exactly like Haman: not caring of the means or how many people had to die in order to succeed in his goals.
But the kicker? Despite everything she did, Haman was right. Look at all the atrocities the Titans did. They came from the Federation. Look how the federation just stood by, providing no help to all those people who died in Dublin's Colony Drop. And it was the federation ITSELF that exiled 8 BILLION people into space and treated them, human beings just like the Earthnoids, like dirt. Meaning that the indipendence of Zeon was COMPLETELY justified.
It was all nothing more than an endless cicle of hatred, lies and violence. Char, in the end wanted to break that circle. No matter how much Char changed for the worst, he still wanted the best for humanity. He never betrayed his father's wishes.
Char didnt care about humanity at all in the end or at least it wasnt a driving factor for his plan to drop axis. He even states he doesnt want to breathe new life into the world. All the events of CCA was just a broken man who was suffering and wanted to make others suffer, and also wanted to end his suffering by forcing his rival to come and kill him. All those poetic talks was him just trying to make his suicide plan righteous
@@TomJupiter Char had lost his faith in humanity, because it was far too stubborn and unwilling to change, a combination that time and time again cost him all that he ever loved and cared for. But he also believed that humanity could become something better if he could force them to leave the cradle of the earth. To usher in an age of new types by using the Axis drop as an ultimatum, even if he himself understood he would be remembered as an evil madman.
Despite his loss of faith in humanity however, I think he still had faith in Amuro Ray. So he gave Amuro the technology developed for his new MS to allow him to challenge him on equal ground, both on a physical and ideological level, to give him one final chance to settle the score.
@@TomJupiterCorrect, he did not want to breath new life into the world, he lost faith in humanity that lived on earth. You’re wrong about everything else; Char was done giving people from earth a second chance, getting rid of them would bring a new age to the Spacenoids who would be completely unbound by Earth’s gravity. What I am trying to say was that he gave up on Earthnoid redemption, not the entirety of mankind.
The Newtype theory claimed that Earthnoids must leave earth, and then as Spacenoids they would blossom into Newtypes… paraphrased of course. By removing all remaining Earthnoids from existence you speed up the process; since all of mankind would be, by default.. spacenoids. THUS, the evolution of Spacenoids to newtypes would be a more realistic endeavor.
Though of course this method is not perfect from a moral point of view, but speaking on a more logical standpoint; had Char succeeded he would have probably retired from his position as I have seen from a game ending. The Spacenoids, now free from gravity and being the only humans left in the galaxy, (assuming everything dies in the nuclear winter) would now be free to enact whatever policies they deem necessary and the colonies would either become independent states or a unified Zeon Empire of some sort. Who knows 🤷♂️
The simplest terms I could use for the original Zeon would be 'Revaluation Coopted'. The basic ideas of liberty and self determination were used to kindle inside of people this or that ideology as devised by figures reinterpreting the work of the first revolutionary: Zeon Deikun.
And the reason I like Zeon is because I could see myself being drawn into the spirit of revaluation, sustained by the hype at the possibility that we could pull it off, and be blinded by rage at the death of Zeon Deikun. I would be fine with the Zabi's taking control; 'Atleast for now we can focus ourselves on forcing the Feddies to give us what we want.' And by the time Ghiren fully took over and fascism became rampant I'd either be dead or disillusioned by the war.
If I lived I'd side with the AEUG, and if I survived the Grypse War and the Neo Zeon war I'd retire an disgruntled old man.
This should’ve been the opening of CCA
Kamille going off his rocker is such a gut punch.
Has shown me the tears of time on multiple occasions.
Char could not tolerate the way the A.E.U.G took advantage of Kamille.
And from afar he saw the A.E.U.G. take advantage of Judau and his friends, and then become the Titans with a smiling face. (Londo Bell)
But char used quess tho
@@adamharits2630 shouldering all of humanities sins atm, can't hear you
@@Zero01k those sins only weigh anything under gravity. What are you? An Oldtype?
@@adamharits2630 f*k that b**ch she's super annoying
i like this... now we know what happened between the gap. always wondered what wouldve happened if kamille was in CCA
Kamille and sayla should've been in cca
I think one draft had him joining Char in Gyunei's role. Possibly Char didn't believe Kamille would recover naturally and had his newtype labs"cure" him resulting in a loyal soldier, but an empty shell that maybe could be awakened by Amuro at the end.
now i finally know what happened to char after z gundam and the time in zz gundam he was just chillin out and came back in the counterattack thing~ fucking awsome!!
Char's motivations are explained in Zeta Gundam. You just have to pay attention to his statements in the dialogue, how he disagrees with AEUG and his moods toward the Dakar address. He was not on good terms with AEUG at all.
Even before that, he disagreed with the AEUG’s Anaheim Backers desire for an invasion of Jaburro, and then Dakar where Anaheim forced Char to reveal his true identity and replace Commodore Blex Forer as leader of the AEUG. The saddest aspect is Char was merely a puppet at this point for Anaheim. This created stress on him, and so after all the madness of Gyrps Conflict, he took the first exit he could which was using debris to cover up his damaged machine after with Haman Khan. And after that he see Kamille get mentally destroyed. Yeah, Char broke at that point.
@@countofarcadia Oh absolutely! Anaheim Electronics and Lui and Co. I might add, are the ones who kept making decisions which interfered with and clashed against Char's wartime advice and experience. The fact that both companies have financial and political influence on the Federation assembly made Char so disillusioned with the system that he went out of his way to turn the system on itself by using Anaheim's own markets against them to prove to Amuro that their backers are corrupt. Like how he gave Amuro the psycommu system to demonstrate this. Plus I have to wonder if his attempted dropping of Axis on Hong Kong was to deliberately crush Lui and Co.
@@CosmoShidan no doubt he wanted Hong Kong off the map because of Lui and Co
@@Zero01k Indeed, especially as they have a powerful presence in the Federation government.
Finally a subbed clip!
This is basically the conversation in episode 38 of Zeta I believe. When Kamille and Char return to space.
YES! WE NEED MORE OF THESE!
I'm really surprised this doesn't have more views. Well, the game's kind of obscure so I guess I shouldn't be, but still this is like essential to view going from the Zetas to CCA.
It also makes the monologue that bartender in Gundam Unicorn had to say to Audrey/Minerva about Char's true nature a bit more bittersweet, as well as maybe give some perspective on Char's own last words.
Man, it's such a shame that such a pivotal piece of this character's puzzle is from some generally forgotten PS1 game. lol
It should've been this instead of the lalah flashback
Bruh, since a couple months ago i decided to finally get into and watch ALL of the UC timeline because i only watched newer shows that released over the years but never dug into the originals
This scene is practically a mandatory viewing, CCA is 100% missing something if you watch it without this bit. Wish i'd seen it before i watched the movie
It's weird that we have a ton of Gundam Manga but not a single one shot to cover what happened to char from Z to CCA.
Right? They do Origins to focus on Casval became Char, but they don't a thing to show the full transition to CCA Char. You can easily make a compelling story on him rallying Zeon behind him along with the founding of Londo Bell occurring
this is the true ending to Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
This game and many fans: "Kamille's mental damage is the catalyst that spurred Char's shift in character in CCA."
Meanwhile in Gundam High-Streamer, the prequel novel to CCA that Tomino himself wrote:
*_Amuro engages Char's mobile suit. He mistakes the actual Sazabi for a dummy balloon, allowing Char to maneuver behind him. During the following encounter, Nanai is presumably still riding along in the Sazabi, but she doesn't participate in the conversation._*
_The unfamiliar mobile suit form closed rapidly, and slipped behind Amuro's Jeda. It was a genuine mobile suit._
_"The computer is totally useless when it's an unknown new model!"_
_Even as Amuro cursed, he didn't forget to link the camera's data to the computer._
_"Jeda! My performance is overwhelmingly superior!"_
_At a range of a few kilometers, the radio transmission was clear despite the Minovsky particles. Amid the noise, Amuro heard the voice of Char Aznable, and he was shocked. Had his reunion with this person had been accomplished so easily?_
_"Char?! You're alive after all!"_
"Hah! How could I lose my life in a battle with a woman like Haman Karn?"
_"You should talk! You ought to know that boy Kamille Bidan went mad!"_
_"He was fragile, but that's not a virtue. Look at the masses, Amuro! Do they go mad? No matter what happens, they keep their composure and go on living their lives. Those who believe fragility is a virtue, because of their gifts, will be swallowed up by those masses. That's reality!"_
www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/archive/histreamer.html
Great work mate. We cannot blame the fans for getting confused as Tomino created several continuities for this franchise. Heck, even Amuro died in the MSG novel. The anime continuity is i think the continuity most fans follow. This video game ending only further confused UC purists especially that scene where Char seemed to have gotten the real Mineva. I wouldnt be surprised if the original series gets a reboot with an upgraded animation and massive plot changes.
@@zitimotleyxxjmxx Researching and parsing accurate and verifiable production information as well as lore and worldbuilding for the UC is a headache as an english speaker as most of it is tucked away in novels and out of print guide books and encyclopedias that were never officially translated, so as a result, misinformation and hearsay, much of which often conflicts with one another, is common.
One frustrating example is with the Zeta Gundam's biosensor and the material used to manufacture the mobile suits, Gundarium. Both of these were never mentioned in the shows so I had to do digging to find out where they originated, and I had thought they had originated from guide books which gave me the idea that they were never ideas conceived by Tomino himself. Only to learn the other day that both of these things were present in Tomino's novelisations of Zeta Gundam.
Actually small correction, Hi-Streamer isn’t a prequel to CCA… it just flat out _is_ CCA. CCA the movie is an adaptation of the latter half of the novel.
That said, otherwise good job bringing this up. I won’t really blame anyone for not noticing this/preferring to ignore it, even in Japan Hi-Streamer seems kinda obscure.
@@sndark6241 The link I provided by Mark Simmons in the original comment provides the full explanation. Hi-Streamer was a light novel that was serialized in Animage from May 1987 to April 1988 with 12 chapters and covers the events leading up to CCA. The first 8 chapters were collected into a volume that was retitled Char's Counterattack and was published in December 1987. The next two volumes were released in February and March of the following year and finish the story of Hi-Streamer as well as retell the events of the movie.
So it's more like the novels (at least the second and third volumes) are adaptations of the film rather than the other way around, especially since the film came out around the same time as the third volume in March of 1988 meaning they were being produced concurrently.
@@Brian-rx9spWait is Hi-Streamr Canon to CCA? Because Kamille gets better at the end of ZZ and I doubt Char wouldn't have known about that so that particular by Amuro doesn't make sense
Kamille should've been in CCA. Its a character association that he doesn't show up and isn't mentioned in the movie or manga
I remember the rumors of when Gyunei in CCA was meant to be Kamille.
HajimeNoJMo I doubt those rumors because in no way would Kamille follow Char knowing Char would kill thousands of innocent people.
Chiron But maybe after going through enhanced human/Cyber Newtype modifications he would.
that wouldn't make sense, since he does appear in Gundam Moon Crisis as a doctor, appearing nearly identical to as he did in Zeta. (MC is in 0099 I believe)
Cazval Asakura Even if it's non-canon it makes way more sense then him being genocidal.
Wait Moon Crisis is non canon???
Someone needs to mix this in with original Zeta and A New Translation to make a new Char Cut.
Leave a new translation out. In that Kamille has a better fate.
so char was actually hiding with mineva in the whole story of zz gundam
This is what Gundam needs, references to the other shows. Maybe that's why lots of people liked Unicorn, because it referenced the other shows and didn't put them aside.
fuck no. The world needs less "references" to the past in entertainment.
@@SHOTGUNStotheNOSE Char was a founder and a pillar of AEUG and his fate is left ambiguous at the end of Zeta. At the end of ZZ Neo Zeon's leadership has been wiped out and the organisation is in disarray after losing the war.
So, how do we start CCA? Uh well Neo Zeon is... yep, still active and is dropping another celestial body and what the fuck, Amuro just said in casual conversation that Char is not only alive but leading Neo Zeon???
See how that is a terrible way to connect stories? CCA needed more references to ZZ as ZZ is absolutely a skippable entry. Why? No other entry in the timeline references the characters or events of ZZ outside of an obscure manga and a line or two in Unicorn about how the first Neo Zeon war was... a war... that happened. Then there's this movie that is so jarring you get no extra value out of having watched 50 episodes of ZZ aside from already knowing that Neo Zeon... exists.
If CCA had opened with Char floating in space and being picked up by Neo Zeon and then we were shown the events of ZZ through his eyes, it would have elegantly explained the start of CCA and why Char is now in the opposite position to where we left him. Referencing past works is kind of essential if you want to change things about established settings, characters, events, etc.
@@SHOTGUNStotheNOSE "references" not "nostalgia baits"/"cheap fanservice".
@@jeff3221 I read somewhere that CCA was first and formost anniversary movie to conclude the gundam, so (my theory starts here) they reignited their conflict just because it was a thing in 0079, logic be damned. That's why almost nothing is explained, despite the fact the movie is wasting a lot of time on exposition dumps to Quess, because kids might not know what happend during OYW.
And I couldn't agree more with you about ZZ. I hated it when I watched it (just because it's less goofy after 15 episodes it doesn't mean that characters are likable now or the story makes any sense) and I hated it even more when I discovered that I just wasted time on it, because it's not referenced in CCA in any way or form.
OMG!!! Look at the stars, Char-san~! Their going zoom, zoom!
You have a girl's name so shut up
And why wasn't this even considered to be in the beginning of Char's Counterattack!?!!
Seriously this would of wrapped up the UC in a pretty bow while at the same time giving us another reason why Char went full on drastic measures
Finally a version with subtitles.
If it were the New Translation, the events after would either not happen, or would have to be modified. At the end of New Translation, Kamille does not enter his mentally vegetative state and Char is still missing.
Casval Rem Deikun, you are the one who drew your soul to the gravity of the earth.
So this event completely undos all the character progression char went through in Zeta Gundam. Makes more sense. When I watched Char’s Counterattack I was like “this prick done lost his mind, this ain’t the same Char from Zeta” lol
its actually perfectly in line with his character progression. you just have to pay attention to the things he says over the course of the saga with regards to his feelings about the earth and the elite living on it. if you actually think about what happened to the AEUG in ZZ, the irony of them becoming the new titans by the end of it abandoning the anti earth movement, even though nothing had been accomplished as the earth was still corrupt to the core even without the titans, its easy to see why Char did what he did in CCA. He finally became the leader Blex Forrer had urged him to become on behalf of the spacenoids. Blex wanted him to become Zeons heir at the head of the AEUG but he resurrected Neo Zeon instead because there was no AEUG, under the directionof Bright Noa the AEUG has become nothing but the new white base, a federation militia in all but name, and then had been dissolved - the AEUG was supposed to be Chars legacy.
If Kamille could go into double zeta with Jedo that would be so great
So the true Mastermind of CCA was Kamille..............Always figured he was evil
How so?
Scirroco turning Kamille (Who at this point Char viewed as something akin to a younger brother or a surrogate son in a way) into a vegetable via mind rape pissed off Char enough that he essentially went "FUCK IT! Humanity, I'm done with your bullshit!" And essentially went on a roaring rampage of revenge in the name of 'Spacenoid independence, imparting the importance Newtypes hold as beings of pure possibility, forcing the Earthnoids to either get their asses off of Earth to let the planet recover or die via nuclear winter or the sheer effect of another colony drop (remember Operation British already wiped out essentially HALF of the Earths population at the time), and finally as one last big 'Fuck you' to the Earth Federation which still had some Titan influence left over from the Gryps Conflict.
Char could not tolerate the way the A.E.U.G took advantage of Kamille.
And Kamille is a girly name *start gryps war*
@@Meditating_Gundam The A.E.U.G. used Kamille? What was Char doing? Char is the one to turn him into a pilot. Char's whole M.O. is to use people for his own ends.
thank you so much for this link! im so glad i finally know what he says haha. I still don't think CCA would've happened. I believe that it was the mixture of this event AND Haman's Neo Zeon that sparked Char to take over the Zeon name as soon as he could and give Zeon a new direction and goal. I think that the New Translation trilogy, since it suggests Gundam ZZ and the First Neo Zeon War never happened, that CCA, the 2nd Neo Zeon War, also never happened.
Kai did visit Sayla and told her "There's a "Quattro Baggina" here to see you" at the end of the movie.
And yeah, things would have to change if they followed that continuity. But it's unlikely that that'll ever happen.
Which movie would that be?
@@WesMordine Zeta Gundam's third compilation movie.
At the end of the Zeta New Translation, Kamille Bidan didn't enter the veg state that he was in via orginal run of Zeta Gundam. This caught me by surprise as l was thinking that because of this, ZZ Gundam would have a different storyline and CCA would haven't happen.
Kamille:Char I trusted you!
Char: I lost the only person who I considered my son to the FUCKING Earth and EARTH'S GRAVITY! No more.
Years later...
Amuro: You're an idiot! Kamille would have never asked you to do this!
Char: FUCK YOU LALAL MURDERER!
Amuro just sighs and pretends to take him serious.
Otherwise, it makes sense why Char just GAVE UP on reasoning with the people on the Earth to "Let's destroy the planet so EVERYONE has to become Newtypes... for Kamille."
Char blames Federation and Earthlings for what happened to Kamille when it was really Sirrocco ... who was from Jupiter and also believed similar to Haman and Char.
This is not canon, but it should be and could be shown on CCA.
1:24 これジンネマンか
That’s how char’s counter attack started
Now I know why Char Aznable has to abandoning his Hyaku Shiki in outer space after his battle with Haman Karn and the Titans defeated.
That was never did seen in either the TV version or the movie version of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam.
Zeon lives on!!!!!
Anyone know the name of the song when Char is lamenting about Kamille?
I need to play this game...
Probably not, that was probably the last straw, and we end up with the first Neo Zeon War and who knows what Char was doing then.
We do see him go visit Sayla at the end of Z Gundam movies.
Ohhhhhh. Thaaaaaat’s where he went.
1:53 SIEG ZEON!!
When Kamille says: "I too, will try to find my promised land". Does that mean that Kamille wasn't really broken as much as he was only meditating in a weird newtype sort of way??? That kinda makes me hopeful for the ending of Z Gundam to be honest...
No that was dialogue from when they were on earth
That line meant that Kamille was going to try to make his life the best that it could possibly be, being inspired by Char's story about how spacenoids decided to seek sanctuary among the stars; Kamille was Char's apprentice and gave him hope for the future, so Char is reflecting back to happier times (well, as happy as the AEUG-Titans war could be lol) with Kamille. He's saddened by what happened to Kamille and this causes Char to go ahead with his plans in CCA.
The musical piece for Char's entrance in 0092, it's absolutely perfect. After scouring RUclips and the rest of the internet though I can't find it anywhere. Anyone know what it is?
This should be it. It's the second disc title theme. ruclips.net/video/n-qcK6tS8sE/видео.htmlsi=8hkoGMueyf6rjg5m
And so, he changed back to bad guy. 😞
The moment when Walter White became Char Aznable.
Yeah, CCA made so much more sense before I saw Zeta.
But from what I understand, Kamille eventually gets better. And, to be honest, I'm not quite big on the official reasons for Mineva's transfer.
Awareness Bringer in the manga moon crisis kamille become a doctor along with fa
I believe he lost his newtype abilities in the end.
Char was always the MC in my mind. Amuro was always a whiny kid with a superiority complex. Sure, the Gundam is badass, but I could live without its pilot. Char just went through so much in his short life that he completely lost his desire to care for humanity, a villainous and greedy species. My favorite character out of every anime for sure.
>ignoring literally the character that makes Char a complex person and what makes CCA one of the greatest finales of all time
That pretty much automatically voids any form of understanding regarding Char's character. When Amuro is part of said character.
@@danielgeronimo5538 sure, but Amuro was always part of the domineering and boastful side. CCA happened because Amuro interfered, and ultimately did kill Lalah Sune. Not even a shred of regret or remorse either.
@@winkeldorf7032wtf r u talkin about? Amuro literally got ptsd from killing lalah during oyw until zeta, he doesnt want to pilot a ms again until zeta
I wonder how char escaped by himself with a damaged mecha at the end of z gundam.
By using his char power to survive explosion like in 0079
Probably communication to his followers to get him.
Char's Counterattack is still a mess... ugh Quess!
Quess is fine
now how the hell did char escape the battlefield in his busted hyaku shiki is what im wondering
He had lots of followers and secretive ones ofc he could of hitched a ride with one of them.
They really need to make a bridge between CCA and Zeta that shows Chars journey. Alot of people think CCA makes no sense - but its actually a pretty perfect ending for Chars arc. The issue is this is the only bridge between the end of zeta and cca that im aware that exists.
They already are. It's called Moon Gundam. It's a manga with like 60+ chapters.
It shows what Amuro and Char are doing in the stopgap between ZZ and before CCA and shows Char's rise to power again.
awesome ill have to give it a look in, thanks@@yukinanashi
Was it said in the cca's novel that Kamille's fate was the breaking point for Char? Curious to find out
Nope, but it was a combination of things. In ZZ Gundam, Bright and Sayla have a conversation wondering about Char's whereabouts and that they believed he was observing things from afar, which was exactly the case. Char saw the fall of Neo Zeon (the Haman vs Glemy civil war) and saw the AEUG fold back into the Earth Federation, which he felt was a return to the status quo. Having seen how the Earth Federation became villains with the Titans, and seeing Haman trying to resurrect the Zabi family/ideals was the last straw for him, along with Kamille's mind being destroyed by Scirocco. He was just sick of it all and became frustrated that humanity was still being pulled down by gravity. It's why Amuro mentions Char's impatience during their final battle, by pointing out that as a revolutionary/idealist, someone like Char hates seeing mediocrity take over after fighting so hard during a revolution; it makes revolutionaries bitter to see everything they fought for was for naught.
Char feared that the Earth Federation would go right back to its old ways and create a new group of Titans, and given their past record as far as mistreating the Earth and its populace, he wanted to do away with the Earth Federation entirely since he knew it was no good. In a way, he was right about the Earth Federation, as it becomes very weak later on.
@@SpScarletSpider Thank you for that, I suppose it means that even without Kamille getting destroyed Char would likely still do the same things.
@@SpScarletSpider G-Saviour finally makes sense as it shows that Federation was becoming weaker than their prime as they went back to GMs due to lack of materials
Its really bad you have to play an obscure ps1 game to be able to understand char's development
It's amazing to me that no one ever picks up on how Zeonic ideology is basically a combination of Zionism and Communism, and instead always calls it a Nazi stand in because some of the spinoffs not made by Tomino used Nazi Imagery for the flags. Between Char's speech here about a desire for promised land and Ghiren's speech about Zeon being the chosen people, I don't really think the Nazi thing holds up too well.
To be fair, Degwin and Gihren have a conversation comparing Gihren to Hitler in Tomino's own 0079. But you do make good points.
Another big real world influence on the Zeonic ideology is actually the early founding period of the United States. Zeon and the United States were both colonies at the far side of the world who wanted independence, with both of their ideologies focusing on a kind of "manifest destiny" of fulfilling one's ideals and ascension on the frontier of the known world. Essentially Zeon is like a fascist version of classical America.
in 0079 Zeon was heavily based on the nazis, it wasnt until later series that Zeon started to show more communist, as well as aspects of both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
OG Zeon is fascist while Neo Zeon is communist. And strangely enough the conflict around leading up to the Gryps war was more cold war than outright WWII
@@danielgeronimo5538Neo Zeon was not communist, aside from the original Zeon, the other factions are dictatorships to different degrees
Amuro was with Karaba.
Char did nothing wrong. That's what some people would say.
Char did nothing wrong! 😠
This music is ill
I just farted
What song/OST is that at 1:28? Is it from char's counterattack?
Kidou Senshi Z Gundam OST Track 12, bro
@@Ozzy-worsttaste thanks dude!
you forgot Amuro
吉克吉翁！！！
i dont see how this makes CCA make more sense? Just because its Zeta Char saying the same shit as CCA Char?
For me, and I think for a lot of the other commenters here, it's a matter of how Char had a character arc/development in Zeta, at the end of which he was in a very different headspace than we next see him in CCA, in terms of political ideology and hope for the future (as well as his relationship with Amuro). In this scene where we see him sense Kamille's mind get destroyed, his reaction to seeing his hopes (as embodied by Kamille) get dashed--and his subsequent despair for, and rejection of, humanity--helps flesh out the previously unseen transition from hopeful Quattro to Terrorist Char.
@@CharredAznable I guess for me atleast, I was always able to understand the change in Char, with everything that happened at the climax of Zeta, kamille mentally crippled along with all the other comrades char lost in that conflict, it must have all seemed for nothing when AEUG and Karaba dissolved and its main leadership reintegrated into the Federation as Londo Bell, fighting to defend a Federation that had bot changed at all, was more corrupt than ever even without the influence of the Titans - I imagine the Dublin colony drop in ZZ, which the federation allowed to happen to thin the population out on Earth, was a turning point in Chars decision that the Federation was not capable of being reformed and never care about either the spacenoids or even the subjugated people that lived on earth.
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rip Quattro
Kamille did recover eventually.....too bad they'll never localize ZZ Gundam for the states....
1). Daisuki streamed it with english subtitles last year. 2). Rightstuf is planning on releasing ZZ along with the original MSG series and Turn A starting in 2015.
How got the ending to Char when we clearly see Lt. Quattro Bajeena at the start? What happened to him?
......Quattro IS Char.
@@justinesun631 No way. You're lying
@@chrisderkonig1379 I am not lying. Quattro is Char. Why do you think they look similar? It’s not a coincidence, Char IS Quattro Bajeena.
@@justinesun631 No it can't be!
@@chrisderkonig1379 Oh yes it can....
Anyone know the ost/have a link of the ost that plays from 1:27
Kidou Senshi Z Gundam OST Track 12, bro :)))
@@Ozzy-worsttaste Do you happen to know the first track as well? It's very beautiful!
@@AstroAnalysisoh..no, hahaha
@@Ozzy-worsttaste Thanks for replying anyway! :)
@AstroAnalysis unfortunately, I don't think it was in the files of the game. Your best bet is some isolating the dialogue or making a cover.
whats the theme? 1:28 thanks
Kidou Senshi Z Gundam OST Track 12, bro :)))
Wow can I have the first bgm thccc
Unfortunately, it was never released, nor included in the game files. Your best bet is someone isolating the dialogue, or making a cover.
Howdy, just wanted to say I recently made a custom-tweaked AI upscaled version of this cutscene so if anyone is interested in seeing this in higher quality feel free to check ruclips.net/video/lV5nwlHeY9Q/видео.html
1:28 OST name?
One year has passed and no one knows it hahahaha
Have you already found it?
I also want to know
@@MrClock-ic8ve I wish bro :(
@@MrClock-ic8ve Bro, I finally found it, look: ruclips.net/video/-GywZv_TQY4/видео.html
@@ZPALMY FINALLY thanks man!!!!!!!
What video game is this scene from
Zeta Gundam for the PS1.
Why they never included this?
Tomino wrote this for the game specifically
Did I see Martha Vist Carbine?
No, its Nanai Miguel. Go watch CCA
Char's midlife crisis was a good movie. I dono why people are acting like this was necessary scene to the show/movie. You seriously couldn't imagine he was upset Kamille's brain got fried on your own?
I could.
You are partly right, I think the decent Char took after Z Gundam, was more to realising it is never going to end, the NEO Zeon Conflict provoked by Hamman, He in a way reverted to what his full of rage and vengeance self originally should have been... Casval.
You're awful! lol