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They already are. It's called Moon Gundam. It's a manga with like 60+ chapters. It shows what Amuro and Char are doing in the stopgap between ZZ and before CCA and shows Char's rise to power again.

awesome ill have to give it a look in, thanks@@yukinanashi

Zeta Gundam for the PS1.

Tomino wrote this for the game specifically

And one day Casval Rem Deikun will return and finally achieve independence for Spacenoids. Sieg Zeon.

Wtf are you talking about, they're two different people.

Thanks to kamilie

Totally different people

@@AthelstanKing it the same person bro

He blames the titans, and by extension the federation, in general for all the pointless fighting. They're all why he lost his faith in humanity.

>ignoring literally the character that makes Char a complex person and what makes CCA one of the greatest finales of all time That pretty much automatically voids any form of understanding regarding Char's character. When Amuro is part of said character.

@@danielgeronimo5538 sure, but Amuro was always part of the domineering and boastful side. CCA happened because Amuro interfered, and ultimately did kill Lalah Sune. Not even a shred of regret or remorse either.

​@@winkeldorf7032wtf r u talkin about? Amuro literally got ptsd from killing lalah during oyw until zeta, he doesnt want to pilot a ms again until zeta

Leave a new translation out. In that Kamille has a better fate.

Or ZZ

The first speech is in zeta

He had lots of followers and secretive ones ofc he could of hitched a ride with one of them.

Kidou Senshi Z Gundam OST Track 12, bro :)))

@@Ozzy-worsttaste Do you happen to know the first track as well? It's very beautiful!

@@AstroAnalysisoh..no, hahaha

@@Ozzy-worsttaste Thanks for replying anyway! :)

​@AstroAnalysis unfortunately, I don't think it was in the files of the game. Your best bet is some isolating the dialogue or making a cover.

Great work mate. We cannot blame the fans for getting confused as Tomino created several continuities for this franchise. Heck, even Amuro died in the MSG novel. The anime continuity is i think the continuity most fans follow. This video game ending only further confused UC purists especially that scene where Char seemed to have gotten the real Mineva. I wouldnt be surprised if the original series gets a reboot with an upgraded animation and massive plot changes.

@@zitimotleyxxjmxx Researching and parsing accurate and verifiable production information as well as lore and worldbuilding for the UC is a headache as an english speaker as most of it is tucked away in novels and out of print guide books and encyclopedias that were never officially translated, so as a result, misinformation and hearsay, much of which often conflicts with one another, is common. One frustrating example is with the Zeta Gundam's biosensor and the material used to manufacture the mobile suits, Gundarium. Both of these were never mentioned in the shows so I had to do digging to find out where they originated, and I had thought they had originated from guide books which gave me the idea that they were never ideas conceived by Tomino himself. Only to learn the other day that both of these things were present in Tomino's novelisations of Zeta Gundam.

Actually small correction, Hi-Streamer isn’t a prequel to CCA… it just flat out _is_ CCA. CCA the movie is an adaptation of the latter half of the novel. That said, otherwise good job bringing this up. I won’t really blame anyone for not noticing this/preferring to ignore it, even in Japan Hi-Streamer seems kinda obscure.

@@sndark6241 The link I provided by Mark Simmons in the original comment provides the full explanation. Hi-Streamer was a light novel that was serialized in Animage from May 1987 to April 1988 with 12 chapters and covers the events leading up to CCA. The first 8 chapters were collected into a volume that was retitled Char's Counterattack and was published in December 1987. The next two volumes were released in February and March of the following year and finish the story of Hi-Streamer as well as retell the events of the movie. So it's more like the novels (at least the second and third volumes) are adaptations of the film rather than the other way around, especially since the film came out around the same time as the third volume in March of 1988 meaning they were being produced concurrently.

That isn't Canon though, Hi Streamers was made before the Movie was released and isn't considred canon to the movies and OVAs, its its own continouity like Origin, So what Char says in that isn't canon to the rest of the series like this Game, CCA has at least 2-3 Versions that Tomino worked on before and after production of the Movie, so each version stands on their own. P.S Char may imply he doesn't care about Kamille here but Char is Compulsive Liar that likes to toy with people he hates, keep in mind this was the same guy that said he buried the Hatchet with Amuro but then turn around and said "Kek that was a Lie" meaning he can still just be taunting Amuro in this novel, also the dialoug implies he still Respected and Loved Kamille despite their differences, so it doesn't really contradict his characterization in this game.

Char didnt care about humanity at all in the end or at least it wasnt a driving factor for his plan to drop axis. He even states he doesnt want to breathe new life into the world. All the events of CCA was just a broken man who was suffering and wanted to make others suffer, and also wanted to end his suffering by forcing his rival to come and kill him. All those poetic talks was him just trying to make his suicide plan righteous

@@TomJupiter Char had lost his faith in humanity, because it was far too stubborn and unwilling to change, a combination that time and time again cost him all that he ever loved and cared for. But he also believed that humanity could become something better if he could force them to leave the cradle of the earth. To usher in an age of new types by using the Axis drop as an ultimatum, even if he himself understood he would be remembered as an evil madman. Despite his loss of faith in humanity however, I think he still had faith in Amuro Ray. So he gave Amuro the technology developed for his new MS to allow him to challenge him on equal ground, both on a physical and ideological level, to give him one final chance to settle the score.

@@TomJupiterCorrect, he did not want to breath new life into the world, he lost faith in humanity that lived on earth. You’re wrong about everything else; Char was done giving people from earth a second chance, getting rid of them would bring a new age to the Spacenoids who would be completely unbound by Earth’s gravity. What I am trying to say was that he gave up on Earthnoid redemption, not the entirety of mankind. The Newtype theory claimed that Earthnoids must leave earth, and then as Spacenoids they would blossom into Newtypes… paraphrased of course. By removing all remaining Earthnoids from existence you speed up the process; since all of mankind would be, by default.. spacenoids. THUS, the evolution of Spacenoids to newtypes would be a more realistic endeavor.

Though of course this method is not perfect from a moral point of view, but speaking on a more logical standpoint; had Char succeeded he would have probably retired from his position as I have seen from a game ending. The Spacenoids, now free from gravity and being the only humans left in the galaxy, (assuming everything dies in the nuclear winter) would now be free to enact whatever policies they deem necessary and the colonies would either become independent states or a unified Zeon Empire of some sort. Who knows 🤷‍♂️

The simplest terms I could use for the original Zeon would be 'Revaluation Coopted'. The basic ideas of liberty and self determination were used to kindle inside of people this or that ideology as devised by figures reinterpreting the work of the first revolutionary: Zeon Deikun. And the reason I like Zeon is because I could see myself being drawn into the spirit of revaluation, sustained by the hype at the possibility that we could pull it off, and be blinded by rage at the death of Zeon Deikun. I would be fine with the Zabi's taking control; 'Atleast for now we can focus ourselves on forcing the Feddies to give us what we want.' And by the time Ghiren fully took over and fascism became rampant I'd either be dead or disillusioned by the war. If I lived I'd side with the AEUG, and if I survived the Grypse War and the Neo Zeon war I'd retire an disgruntled old man.

To be fair, Degwin and Gihren have a conversation comparing Gihren to Hitler in Tomino's own 0079. But you do make good points.

Another big real world influence on the Zeonic ideology is actually the early founding period of the United States. Zeon and the United States were both colonies at the far side of the world who wanted independence, with both of their ideologies focusing on a kind of "manifest destiny" of fulfilling one's ideals and ascension on the frontier of the known world. Essentially Zeon is like a fascist version of classical America.

in 0079 Zeon was heavily based on the nazis, it wasnt until later series that Zeon started to show more communist, as well as aspects of both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

OG Zeon is fascist while Neo Zeon is communist. And strangely enough the conflict around leading up to the Gryps war was more cold war than outright WWII

Their style is more Prussian than Nazi, at least early on.

Unfortunately, it was never released, nor included in the game files. Your best bet is someone isolating the dialogue, or making a cover.

Quess is fine

Right? They do Origins to focus on Casval became Char, but they don't a thing to show the full transition to CCA Char. You can easily make a compelling story on him rallying Zeon behind him along with the founding of Londo Bell occurring

......Quattro IS Char.

@@justinesun631 No way. You're lying

@@chrisderkonig1379 I am not lying. Quattro is Char. Why do you think they look similar? It’s not a coincidence, Char IS Quattro Bajeena.

@@justinesun631 No it can't be!

@@chrisderkonig1379 Oh yes it can....

For me, and I think for a lot of the other commenters here, it's a matter of how Char had a character arc/development in Zeta, at the end of which he was in a very different headspace than we next see him in CCA, in terms of political ideology and hope for the future (as well as his relationship with Amuro). In this scene where we see him sense Kamille's mind get destroyed, his reaction to seeing his hopes (as embodied by Kamille) get dashed--and his subsequent despair for, and rejection of, humanity--helps flesh out the previously unseen transition from hopeful Quattro to Terrorist Char.

@@CharredAznable I guess for me atleast, I was always able to understand the change in Char, with everything that happened at the climax of Zeta, kamille mentally crippled along with all the other comrades char lost in that conflict, it must have all seemed for nothing when AEUG and Karaba dissolved and its main leadership reintegrated into the Federation as Londo Bell, fighting to defend a Federation that had bot changed at all, was more corrupt than ever even without the influence of the Titans - I imagine the Dublin colony drop in ZZ, which the federation allowed to happen to thin the population out on Earth, was a turning point in Chars decision that the Federation was not capable of being reformed and never care about either the spacenoids or even the subjugated people that lived on earth.

Kidou Senshi Z Gundam OST Track 12, bro

@@Ozzy-worsttaste thanks dude!

fuck no. The world needs less "references" to the past in entertainment.

​@@SHOTGUNStotheNOSE Char was a founder and a pillar of AEUG and his fate is left ambiguous at the end of Zeta. At the end of ZZ Neo Zeon's leadership has been wiped out and the organisation is in disarray after losing the war. So, how do we start CCA? Uh well Neo Zeon is... yep, still active and is dropping another celestial body and what the fuck, Amuro just said in casual conversation that Char is not only alive but leading Neo Zeon??? See how that is a terrible way to connect stories? CCA needed more references to ZZ as ZZ is absolutely a skippable entry. Why? No other entry in the timeline references the characters or events of ZZ outside of an obscure manga and a line or two in Unicorn about how the first Neo Zeon war was... a war... that happened. Then there's this movie that is so jarring you get no extra value out of having watched 50 episodes of ZZ aside from already knowing that Neo Zeon... exists. If CCA had opened with Char floating in space and being picked up by Neo Zeon and then we were shown the events of ZZ through his eyes, it would have elegantly explained the start of CCA and why Char is now in the opposite position to where we left him. Referencing past works is kind of essential if you want to change things about established settings, characters, events, etc.

@@SHOTGUNStotheNOSE "references" not "nostalgia baits"/"cheap fanservice".

@@jeff3221 I read somewhere that CCA was first and formost anniversary movie to conclude the gundam, so (my theory starts here) they reignited their conflict just because it was a thing in 0079, logic be damned. That's why almost nothing is explained, despite the fact the movie is wasting a lot of time on exposition dumps to Quess, because kids might not know what happend during OYW. And I couldn't agree more with you about ZZ. I hated it when I watched it (just because it's less goofy after 15 episodes it doesn't mean that characters are likable now or the story makes any sense) and I hated it even more when I discovered that I just wasted time on it, because it's not referenced in CCA in any way or form.

This should be it. It's the second disc title theme. ruclips.net/video/n-qcK6tS8sE/видео.htmlsi=8hkoGMueyf6rjg5m

One year has passed and no one knows it hahahaha

Have you already found it? I also want to know

@@MrClock-ic8ve I wish bro :(

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@@ZPALMY FINALLY thanks man!!!!!!!