So tell us the deal about Avril Lavigne, unless you're the guy that left the band early on, but came back later. And did you guys ever do any more music for the American Pie films?
@CrankyGrandma he kind of does in big finish, as he has a whole time war series (so does the war doctor and the war master, the war master one being amazing). But at the same time I don't think that 8bw9rks as the war doctor, he's just to kind a doctor and in the big finish stories it just breaks him. I think ifb8 returned there probably wouldn't have been a time war and it would probably be more like storm warning. Where you just start with 8 sometime after the movie and meeting a new companion.
McGann is so charismatic. He nailed the Doctor's excitement and zest for life in the movie, and nowadays his voice is grand and he speaks with gravitas. He is an excellent Doctor, one of the best, and we haven't gotten enough of him. Also, I have to say that the 8th Doctor had the best fashion sense, and he was also the most handsome. I mean, he still looks great for his age, but he was a true stud in the movie.
@@skinwallker_dan: I know right? Even the 1st time I saw the episode I thought The Master being The Timeless Child would work better both in terms of the show's story & for their character than it would for The Doctor!
I would like to go to the alternate timeline where Eccleston did the Day of the Doctor & we got 9 10 & 11 all bouncing off each other, & the finale when they save Gallifrey they all drop their catchphrases “Geronimoooo!!!” “Allons-y!” “Oh! Fantastic! Gallifrey Stands!”
I imagine this everytime I watch series 2. Imagine Chris with Madame De Pompadour, reuniting with Sarah-Jane and taking on the Cybermen. He would absolutely rule it.
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I mean, the legitimate answer is probably "he ends up dead or in extended hospital stay after his anorexia and mental health issues that the producers were egging on nearly do him in". He left for a pretty good reason.
While I would have loved for Nine to be in Day of the Doctor, it would undercut his journey in Series 1. He finds hope in Day of the Doctor, forgets, and then finds hope again in Series 1. Very much a Solo problem. “Han says he only cares about himself but he actually cares about other people. That’s SUPER different from his arc in A New Hope.”
11:00 "What a cool twist that would be." Except Chibbers already soiled that idea in The Power of the Doctor, where the Master force-regenerates the Doctor into himself, and then can't decide whether to run around causing chaos, or sit around and play with artifacts from many previous incarnations. (Seriously, the Master's plan would have been simpler if he simply stole a copy of Jodie's longcoat (it was an off-the-rack model, mass produced) and ran around claiming to be the new regeneration and framing the Doctor that way.)
Eccleston was my first doctor, and he's the reason I fell in love with the series. In fact, I was so offput by my first regeneration, I almost didn't consider watching Series 2. Thankfully I did as David is my favorite Doctor, period. That being said, they're all fantastic actors and I've enjoyed most of the iterations.
I believe in an interview Christopher Eccleston said he originally planned to be the Doctor for three seasons. Then the first day of shooting Series 1 happened and Eccleston's relationship with RTD and the other executive producers went down in flames.
@@jarjared3522that and I heard about endangering background extras which has me wonder if it carried over with David Tennant and Tennant didn’t care or RTD improved the safety
“What If Christopher Eccleston Did Doctor Who Series 2?” “I don’t want to go into the politics of why Eccleston left…” The entirety of this video both doesn’t speak about how Series 2 with Eccleston would be, beyond wanting 9’s accent face the Cybermen, and spends the majority of its runtime talking about why Eccleston left and won’t come back as well as talking about him appearing in non-S2 stories… What a classic example of a clickbait video if I’ve ever seen one and I used to be subbed to this channel. This one just appeared on my Recommends. Change the title. This is a good video under false pretences.
Eccelston was absolutely fantastic. It is a shame he didn't stay for another series. Also please do what if Tennant did series 5, I think that would be interesting.
I'm going to tell you, I don't feel like I'd like to change anything about what the show was, really. But I would love Eccleston to return as 9 in his lonely adventures before Rose, it would be interesting to see for the first time a season or two of him alone. That would bring the deserved 3 seasons every Doctor has for him. Just some justice for the ninth doctor I'd say.
I don’t think John Simm would have been cast if Ecclestone had stayed on till series 3, as he was a parallel to Tennant’s Tenth Doctor. There probably would have been an older Master.
I would love to see a former Doctor actor play an incarnation of the Master. However, even more than that, I want to see David Tennant's current Doctor become the Valeyard! I think it would be perfect! Especially with it being the only time the Doctor has "bigenerated".
I adore Christopher Eccleston and his 9th Doctor, but as you said his 1 season was absolutely solid and probably the most well-contained story in Who. As you've mentioned, Day of The Doctor would've been the best way to bring him back. Whilst it's upsetting he never returned, having the LEGENDARY John Hurt was a blessing. With all that being said, if he stayed longer and came across Donna..... OMG the sass would have been off the charts!!
I said in a similar video but I think with Eccleston, we could've scene even more focus on the Doctor's post-time war guilt & how much Rose helped him.
I’d love to see the Tennant in Series 5 video, I also think a video about What if the Time Lord Victorious arc carried over to Matt Smith in Series 5 would be cool
Really just expanding the Time Lord Victorious into more specials or a season arc with Tennant would be great, starting a new Doctor as a villainous figure wouldn’t work but having an incarnation turn villainous for a period and turn back to the light before regenerating would be AWESOME
Do you think you could do a video like this for a Peter Capaldi Series 11? If any Doctor needs a fourth season, I feel like he does. It’s not as easy because the huge shift in direction for the show means you couldn’t just take Whittaker episodes and slot him in, so you’d have to come up with new stories, but I really feel like Capaldi only came into his own in Series 10 (in terms of character arc, obv his performance was always great) and it would’ve been great for him to rest in that a little longer
Thinking maybe Series 10 could be split down the middle with the Monk three-parter as a finale for the first season? I was always a bit underwhelmed by that story but it is a big event. Then World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls could be preserved as the perfect sendoff it is. Twice Upon A Time was always underwhelming by comparison, so you could incorporate its best aspects into new episodes to pad the extra season, like a whole episode following up on Rusty the Good Dalek as a focus (not certain about this since Twice Upon A Time did give him his memories of Clara back which is a sweet ending)
When Davies and the team were writing Series 1 they didn't know yet that Eccleston would be leaving. The arc they were planning would not have included regeneration at the end of series. I think there's a real possibility was that Rose would have essentially died, or stayed the Bad Wolf. We all know how cruel RTD can be to the characters sometimes, and I think he would have gut punched us like that. They had to change gears whenever Chris told them he wouldn't return. With a regeneration happening, they needed all the continuity they could have, and you'd be starting at square one if both the Doctor and the Companion changed. All in all, whatever was planned, I loved what we got. I'd like to see animations of Chris's Big Finish stories. If they're good. I'm not good at listening to audio drama. My brain wanders.
The master having one of the doctor's faces is similar to an idea I had for omega returning bit played by Peter Davidson, which the show advertising as a multi doctor story.
I've written a five series Doctor Who story of my own that culminates in a film (not a special, a FILM) where Omega is the main villain alongside the Master, a faction of Time Lords led by President Borusa and the Silence. Naturally, it's a multi-Doctor story. But, at the end of the fifth series (three seasons with an original female Doctor, two with an original male Doctor), I actually had Omega manipulate the Doctor's regrneration to give him back Chris' face. Putting aside the fact that I get to see Chris alongside David and Matt, this would be an oppurtunity for him to play a new incarnation of the Doctor who is no longer svarred by the Time War, but is instead scarred by the knowledge that the Time Lords are back and they are pure evil. Maybe this would be s controversial choice but I kept the Timeless Child backstory as there are subtle points raised about family/cultural abuse and wanting to run away from home (perfect for the Doctor, I think but loosely based ony own experiences...) But I dunno; what do you think?
As much as I enjoyed Eccleston’s tenure on the show, I always stand by the fact that having him regenerate at the end of the first season was the best story choice- honestly, I’m shocked it wasn’t original intention. I think it’s completely genius to create an attachment to this Doctor before immediately changing his face- it immediately establishes the mechanics of regeneration and the show’s theme of facing change head-on. Plus, Eccleston’s arc was clearly about the effects of the Time War, and his choice of ‘coward over killer’ resolves an important aspect of his guilt- I see his regeneration as, like the video says, a new breath of life, less burdened by the guilt of his past actions, because he made a different choice this time.
4:59 - 5:31 Those edits made me sad AF, even though I grew up with David Tennant as my Doctor Christopher Eccleston not getting to go on for as long as he could’ve without his grudge against RTD breaks my heart.
What if RTD didn't introduce the time war and Gallifrey and other time lords were present during the modern era? In my opinion I think it would have been worse than what we got but interested to see what you think. Awesome video as always!
Request: What if the modern series premiered in 2001 with Paul McGann for 3 seasons, a 40th anniversary special with John Hurt, and then 2 seasons of Christopher Eccleston
It would’ve been fun to see Christopher in the 50th, however I think it would’ve undo the Ninth Doctors introduction in Rose. It was acknowledged that the Doctor had just being newly regenerated and if we had Nine in the 50th instead of the War Doctor, then how come Eccleston’s Doctor had spent years and years in a Time War and to then see his reflection “for the first time” in season 1?
I’ve actually thought about this, and I think the absolute best case dream scenario for the 50th Anniversary would’ve started with Paul McGann’s 8th Doctor fighting a climactic Time War battle, being killed, and regenerating into Christopher Eccleston’s 9th Doctor. For the rest of The Day of the Doctor, they just make sure it’s so action-packed that he never has time to see his reflection (playing retroactive damage control like with Star Wars: The Clone Wars making sure Anakin never meets General Grievous)
Russell T Davies has said that he never intended that scene in Rose to indicate that the Doctor had just regenerated. Afterall, the Doctor seems fairly comfortable in his body, and has already had offscreen solo adventures (as shown by Clive’s photographs). The Doctor wasn’t seeing his ears for the first time, he’s just constantly annoyed every time he sees them (the same way you might get annoyed every time you were reminded about a physical feature you disliked about yourself).
I love the idea of either Eccleston or Smith coming back as the Master and ruining his reputation, but to be fair, it doesn't have to be done with an existing Doctor's face (although that would obviously be great fan-service)... What could be interesting is if the next regeneration you see Gatwa's Doctor go through the light-show as per usual, but do a hard-cut cliffhanger where he's _about_ to start transforming to reveal the next actor so the new face is never actually revealed. Then, start the next season with a new character who goes around doing very Doctor-y stuff in the TARDIS after a time-skip, with a new Companion coming in after he's been travelling alone for a while (like Matt Smith with Amy or Capaldi with Bill) - saving the day, although with a more edgy personality this time around where he has no problem with sacrificing someone for the greater good and does the right thing because it's logical rather than because he actually cares, more like the darker Capaldi episodes where he's more calculating than empathic about it without Clara to balance him out. Then about halfway through the season, we get the reveal that the guy who has been traveling around in the TARDIS for the first episodes was actually *_the Master all along!_* The _real_ Doctor (surprise reveal at episode's end of an unknown new face, dressed in the rags of Gatwa's old outfit, chained to the wall and slumped and beaten down in some sort of medieval-style prison cell) is actually held captive in the bowels of the TARDIS, and the Master basically ambushed the Doctor soon after his regeneration. He'd been following him for a while, waiting for a moment of weakness, and pounced when the new Doctor was still confused and getting used to their teeth again. Easily overpowering his weakened mind with his mesmerism, the Master basically walked him into this prison cell, caught him off-balance and chained him up. Then, he went out into the control room and just started having "adventures" and introducing himself to everyone as The Doctor. After all, that name is associated with so many different faces over the course of Time, so who's to say he isn't...? Eventually though, it transpires that the Master's stint in cosplay all actually leads to some master _(ahem)_ plan - every adventure we've seen for the first half of the series has absolutely helped people and _seems_ to have saved the day, but this is more or less a happy side-effect rather than the main purpose... he saves a whole race of peace-loving people from some huge disaster, but it turns out that they will eventually grow more warlike in the future and create some massive superweapon that the Master needs as part of his plan down the line. So while he _seems_ to be saving them because he's the Good Guy, he's _actually_ doing it to ensure they survive to make his weapon. A few scenarios like this play out until he finally reaches a point where he can't really justify his final move with some altruistic motive, and his Companion smells a rat and calls him on it... which results in the heel turn, with the Master/Doctor going all Colin Baker on her and chasing her through the halls of the TARDIS. The big cliffhanger is that she open a random door and finds this dude chained to the wall... "My God - who are you...?" they exclaim. They slowly look up, clearly exhausted through starvation, and say, "I'm... _the Doctor."_ Cut to credits, with the next episode being the Master/Doctor's Companion freeing the Doctor who then helps them defeat the Master (now they've had the time to get their head straight) and taking over as the show's true hero with the Companion by his side. They could then spend the rest of the season basically backtracking to many of the Master/Doctor's episodes to witness the fallout and repercussions of his apparently "saving the day", which gradually reveals this big plan he very nearly put into action. You could even have them go back to the cell and try to get information out of the Master about his end game, like the _Silence Of The Lambs_ style scenes with Capaldi and Missy when she was locked in the vault. In order for this to work though, you would have to go for the full misinformation campaign, carefully leaking that the Master/Doctor's actor would be the "new Doctor" for the next series, and keep the _real_ new Doctor under wraps with some serious misdirection until the reveal hallfway through the season. Given the Whovian grapevine and their extensive information network, that would take a titanic effort on the part of the cast and crew to avoid even the slightest slip-up by a 2nd-unit catering cook telling a friend without thinking and it suddenly ending up all over the papers the next day... but by _God,_ would that reveal be worth it!!!
I'm certain many of the flaws made in recent seasons wouldn't have happened if he had continued. Looking back, Eccleston doesn't seem so mad now. In fact, he seems wiser with his take about RTD knowing how RTD turned out. For me, with Eccleston back in front of the camera means a return to how Dr Who USED to be.
Love your doctor who videos! I know it's less of a what if rather than a didn't happen, but I'd like to see a video on what if the 10th doctor and brigadier reunion episode happened (which was planned but sadly didn't due to actors death)
Christopher eccleston. If he came back it would probably be for a special or a prequel series to new who series one and the events of the war doctor, which isnt long so if he came back, it wont be for long
in my opinion, if Eccleston said no, Moffat should’ve asked McGann to return. Man deserved a Doctor Who return and you could make some meta comment about the reason why there wasn’t an 8th Doctor series after the movie, is because the future Doctors tried forgetting about the incarnation entirely
The regeneration from 9 to 10 didn’t feel out of place as it felt like a small speed bump in between Series 1 and 2 feeling planned out from beginning to end
What If we could see the various splinters of Clara saving all the previous versions of the Doctor? It was never really shown, just implied in the Name of the Doctor. Or what if McGann had actually done a series after his TV movie?
I've got a few kicking around What if River Song stayed with 11 after Amy & Rory's departure like he asked? What if Missy lived, following her decision to stand with the Doctor? What if Astrid didn't die and got to be a full companion? What if Rory was never restored after the Crack in Time unmade him (given this would prevent River from being born and vastly change storylines)? What if 9 had met Martha first, instead of Rose? What if the Dream Lord had been 11's main villain? What if Clara did not return for Season 9, fully saying goodbye to 12 after Danny's death? What if the order of Doctors was changed? (ie: 9 regen into 11, 10 into 12, etc) What if Gallifrey hadn't been destroyed by the Master? (not necessarily a serious, just a saltiness I have about the show walking back the interesting paradigm shift of them being back in the series and what could have been explored)
it didnt really work though, because it was the master taking over the doctors body... except he looked like the master. the bait and switch of having the master look like the doctor would be awesome
The entire series would be the current doctor coming across stories about himself and about all the damage and death he has caused so he follows the clues eventually coming across a tatdis, seeing the back of a leather jacket wearing man enter it and a chase begins, tardis chasing tardis through the time vortex stopping at familiar point in the doctors history like portals opening and closing as the other tardis blasts lazers and causes damage to the doctors past. Eventually the other tardis lands (somewhere significant) the doctor lands his tardis and storms over to the other tardis. The door cracks open and our doctor slows down, the familiar sound of the 9th/10th console room is getting louder. Footsteps down the metal ramp are heard along with some slow claps with an evil grin out steps the (Doctor) "Fantastic"
I got a better suggestion than Eccleston imo, What if Paul McGann did the Day of the Doctor. I feel like that would make a far more interesting plot and reveal, it'd be shocking for many audiences but also it would make sense if looking to the expanded media (particularly big finish audios) where the 8th Doctor slowly went from a light-hearted romantic Doctor into a darker character due to the torture, loss, betrayals and all the other things that McGann's Doctor had went through that he broke and decided that enough was enough, thus becoming the Warrior.
What If Jodie Whittaker had stayed to be written by RTD? What If Capaldi had stayed on for the Chibnall era? Those are a couple of controversial ideas (albeit I’m glad didn’t happen) I’d be interested to hear discussed.
I got one: what if Tennat stayed for Series 5. Moffat gave us a plan he had if Tennat stayed but i wonder how much we got would be the same or different in that series.
@ytuser_3122 from what I heard, he was gonna meet her while he was regenerating, and then meet her as an adult, basically both we and Amy would know how the Doctor regens and that would be a plot point til the end of the season.
An Episode where they find a way to give us more 9th would be great. Weve seen the dr like the first dr almost mot regenerate. What if we see a dr change time and continue living. And does a whole series. But we all know it will end with him returning time to the way it was
Bruh, seeing those edits made me sigh. Even though I saw DW with David Tennant’s Tenth Doctor, I really enjoyed Christopher Eccleston’s Ninth Doctor and wish he’d do another series 😔
The War Doctor messed up the numbering, the Timeless Child (eurgh) blew a cannon ball, followed by a coach and horses through the Doctor full stop let alone the numbering. I was fine with one new Doctor inserted, I’m not fine with the prequel doctors. Not sure we need to wonder what would happen if Tennant had stayed….
What if the paradigm Daleks and (more specifically) victory got a sequel as they definitely seemed to be setting them up to be more than what they became after the backlash…
I've seen lots of comments saying that it should've been McGann in the 50th special, I feel like that would've made just as much sense as Eccleston if the destruction of Gallifrey was committed by him, leaving 9 to shoulder the burden and the guilt
What if Jackie stayed in the same universe as The Doctor? If that were to happen, Jackie would pull the lever so Rose won't have to, causing Rose to stay for The Runaway Bride and more
Would be so interested to see what doomsday would be like as a regeneration story as well, or possibly the runaway bride? Seems almost too cruel to take away rose from him then immediately kill him off before he has a chance to grieve
Id love to see ninth in the 50th but i do understand that it would undo the narrative arc of the ninth. The big finish audios are fun ways to get more ninth. Also eccleston does not like multi doctor stories and sees them as a gimmick which they are tbh. I know he did something with david warner but i imagine they talked him into that because he wanted to work with david warner and they paid him so fair dos.
I'm a simple man, I see Christopher Eccleston, i click.
Real
Naturally 😊
Amen 🙏🏼🙏🏼
So tell us the deal about Avril Lavigne, unless you're the guy that left the band early on, but came back later.
And did you guys ever do any more music for the American Pie films?
Same.
I'd love a what if for if McGann to stay for Series 1
Yes please
I’d have loved McGann to have been the War Doctor
@CrankyGrandma he kind of does in big finish, as he has a whole time war series (so does the war doctor and the war master, the war master one being amazing). But at the same time I don't think that 8bw9rks as the war doctor, he's just to kind a doctor and in the big finish stories it just breaks him.
I think ifb8 returned there probably wouldn't have been a time war and it would probably be more like storm warning. Where you just start with 8 sometime after the movie and meeting a new companion.
McGann is so charismatic. He nailed the Doctor's excitement and zest for life in the movie, and nowadays his voice is grand and he speaks with gravitas. He is an excellent Doctor, one of the best, and we haven't gotten enough of him.
Also, I have to say that the 8th Doctor had the best fashion sense, and he was also the most handsome. I mean, he still looks great for his age, but he was a true stud in the movie.
agree
Christopher Eccleston was fantastic.
absolutely fantastic! and you know what?...
@@FullFatVideos Eccleston: "So was I."
@@FullFatVideoswould the war doctor still be in the timeline ?
I don’t think so no
@@filmunion8194 yes because the war doctor regenerated into eccleston's doctor
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ooooh now THIS IS PODRACING
i wanted that to happen any way
That's definitely something I've always wanted to see!
@@skinwallker_dan: I know right? Even the 1st time I saw the episode I thought The Master being The Timeless Child would work better both in terms of the show's story & for their character than it would for The Doctor!
@@jessetorres8738 true
9 vs. Simm's Master would be an amazing watch
I would like to go to the alternate timeline where Eccleston did the Day of the Doctor & we got 9 10 & 11 all bouncing off each other, & the finale when they save Gallifrey they all drop their catchphrases “Geronimoooo!!!” “Allons-y!” “Oh! Fantastic! Gallifrey Stands!”
I imagine this everytime I watch series 2. Imagine Chris with Madame De Pompadour, reuniting with Sarah-Jane and taking on the Cybermen. He would absolutely rule it.
WHAT IF The Master never got that burger in The End of Time?
hot-hot!!!
what if he got a kebab instead?!
Can't believe it's almost been 20 years since Eccleston's era.
Would you cover a classic Who what-if?
"What if Tom Baker agreed to return fully for 'The Five Doctors' 20th anniversary special?"
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I mean, the legitimate answer is probably "he ends up dead or in extended hospital stay after his anorexia and mental health issues that the producers were egging on nearly do him in". He left for a pretty good reason.
While I would have loved for Nine to be in Day of the Doctor, it would undercut his journey in Series 1. He finds hope in Day of the Doctor, forgets, and then finds hope again in Series 1. Very much a Solo problem. “Han says he only cares about himself but he actually cares about other people. That’s SUPER different from his arc in A New Hope.”
I totally get that. I think Moffat probably would’ve written the ending of the story in a slightly altered way, because that would be a little weird
11:00 "What a cool twist that would be." Except Chibbers already soiled that idea in The Power of the Doctor, where the Master force-regenerates the Doctor into himself, and then can't decide whether to run around causing chaos, or sit around and play with artifacts from many previous incarnations.
(Seriously, the Master's plan would have been simpler if he simply stole a copy of Jodie's longcoat (it was an off-the-rack model, mass produced) and ran around claiming to be the new regeneration and framing the Doctor that way.)
Eccleston was my first doctor, and he's the reason I fell in love with the series. In fact, I was so offput by my first regeneration, I almost didn't consider watching Series 2. Thankfully I did as David is my favorite Doctor, period. That being said, they're all fantastic actors and I've enjoyed most of the iterations.
I believe in an interview Christopher Eccleston said he originally planned to be the Doctor for three seasons. Then the first day of shooting Series 1 happened and Eccleston's relationship with RTD and the other executive producers went down in flames.
I hate how 20 years after New Who premiered, he STILL has a grudge against RTD.
@@ytuser_3122 I mean RTD had three sex pest actors on the set of Series 1 that Eccleston had to put up with. I am not surprised.
@@jarjared3522 oh, fuck that’s right 😬
@@ytuser_3122 And a big part of the reason Eccleston said he left was because of what he described as "onset bullying"
@@jarjared3522that and I heard about endangering background extras which has me wonder if it carried over with David Tennant and Tennant didn’t care or RTD improved the safety
“What If Christopher Eccleston Did Doctor Who Series 2?”
“I don’t want to go into the politics of why Eccleston left…”
The entirety of this video both doesn’t speak about how Series 2 with Eccleston would be, beyond wanting 9’s accent face the Cybermen, and spends the majority of its runtime talking about why Eccleston left and won’t come back as well as talking about him appearing in non-S2 stories…
What a classic example of a clickbait video if I’ve ever seen one and I used to be subbed to this channel. This one just appeared on my Recommends.
Change the title. This is a good video under false pretences.
The Biggest one I need is what If Paul Mcgann did Series 1-2/3/4/specials/5 depending on how far you see him going
That's would be so cool omg!!!
Eccelston was absolutely fantastic. It is a shame he didn't stay for another series. Also please do what if Tennant did series 5, I think that would be interesting.
What if the eighth doctor was in the 50th instead of the war doctor
John hurt was excellent, but this is what it should have been.
I'm going to tell you, I don't feel like I'd like to change anything about what the show was, really. But I would love Eccleston to return as 9 in his lonely adventures before Rose, it would be interesting to see for the first time a season or two of him alone. That would bring the deserved 3 seasons every Doctor has for him. Just some justice for the ninth doctor I'd say.
That Eccleston Master idea could explain his appearances pre Rose, where Clive was collecting info.
I think that was 9, the ears comment is implying an unspecified amount of time
It could be him from a future point?
Maybe maybe
I don’t think John Simm would have been cast if Ecclestone had stayed on till series 3, as he was a parallel to Tennant’s Tenth Doctor. There probably would have been an older Master.
He’d have faced off against Derek Jacobi’s Master and having him become Harold Saxon through the wibbly wobbly timey wimeyness of time
What if Doctor Who had a Spider-verse Style Movie, In plot and Animation?
I would love to see a former Doctor actor play an incarnation of the Master. However, even more than that, I want to see David Tennant's current Doctor become the Valeyard! I think it would be perfect! Especially with it being the only time the Doctor has "bigenerated".
DT doctor's in place just in case the disney experiment fails so i cant see that happening
I think Matt Smith would love to play the master or a villain in general and I'm pretty sure he said he'd be up for it
I adore Christopher Eccleston and his 9th Doctor, but as you said his 1 season was absolutely solid and probably the most well-contained story in Who. As you've mentioned, Day of The Doctor would've been the best way to bring him back. Whilst it's upsetting he never returned, having the LEGENDARY John Hurt was a blessing.
With all that being said, if he stayed longer and came across Donna..... OMG the sass would have been off the charts!!
I said in a similar video but I think with Eccleston, we could've scene even more focus on the Doctor's post-time war guilt & how much Rose helped him.
I’d love to see the Tennant in Series 5 video, I also think a video about What if the Time Lord Victorious arc carried over to Matt Smith in Series 5 would be cool
Really just expanding the Time Lord Victorious into more specials or a season arc with Tennant would be great, starting a new Doctor as a villainous figure wouldn’t work but having an incarnation turn villainous for a period and turn back to the light before regenerating would be AWESOME
@@nairrdlairrd yeah, I wouldn’t have wanted to actually see it happen but i it could be an interesting hypothetical
Do you think you could do a video like this for a Peter Capaldi Series 11? If any Doctor needs a fourth season, I feel like he does. It’s not as easy because the huge shift in direction for the show means you couldn’t just take Whittaker episodes and slot him in, so you’d have to come up with new stories, but I really feel like Capaldi only came into his own in Series 10 (in terms of character arc, obv his performance was always great) and it would’ve been great for him to rest in that a little longer
Thinking maybe Series 10 could be split down the middle with the Monk three-parter as a finale for the first season? I was always a bit underwhelmed by that story but it is a big event. Then World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls could be preserved as the perfect sendoff it is. Twice Upon A Time was always underwhelming by comparison, so you could incorporate its best aspects into new episodes to pad the extra season, like a whole episode following up on Rusty the Good Dalek as a focus (not certain about this since Twice Upon A Time did give him his memories of Clara back which is a sweet ending)
12:14 what if paul mcgann did series 1 or basically got a proper series because big finish makes me yearn that
I would've loved to have seen 9's incarnation in The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two parter.
what if the Saxon Master did actually regenerate at the end of "Last of the Time Lords"?
What if Murray Gold did Series 11? (I’d do some orchestral mock-ups if you like? 😊)
Another fun one could be 'What if Ace was in the TV Movie?'
When Davies and the team were writing Series 1 they didn't know yet that Eccleston would be leaving. The arc they were planning would not have included regeneration at the end of series. I think there's a real possibility was that Rose would have essentially died, or stayed the Bad Wolf. We all know how cruel RTD can be to the characters sometimes, and I think he would have gut punched us like that. They had to change gears whenever Chris told them he wouldn't return. With a regeneration happening, they needed all the continuity they could have, and you'd be starting at square one if both the Doctor and the Companion changed.
All in all, whatever was planned, I loved what we got. I'd like to see animations of Chris's Big Finish stories. If they're good. I'm not good at listening to audio drama. My brain wanders.
The master having one of the doctor's faces is similar to an idea I had for omega returning bit played by Peter Davidson, which the show advertising as a multi doctor story.
I've written a five series Doctor Who story of my own that culminates in a film (not a special, a FILM) where Omega is the main villain alongside the Master, a faction of Time Lords led by President Borusa and the Silence. Naturally, it's a multi-Doctor story.
But, at the end of the fifth series (three seasons with an original female Doctor, two with an original male Doctor), I actually had Omega manipulate the Doctor's regrneration to give him back Chris' face. Putting aside the fact that I get to see Chris alongside David and Matt, this would be an oppurtunity for him to play a new incarnation of the Doctor who is no longer svarred by the Time War, but is instead scarred by the knowledge that the Time Lords are back and they are pure evil. Maybe this would be s controversial choice but I kept the Timeless Child backstory as there are subtle points raised about family/cultural abuse and wanting to run away from home (perfect for the Doctor, I think but loosely based ony own experiences...)
But I dunno; what do you think?
to make things extra interesting I would make Chris's Master not an incarnation post-Derwan but one that came before Delgado.
As much as I enjoyed Eccleston’s tenure on the show, I always stand by the fact that having him regenerate at the end of the first season was the best story choice- honestly, I’m shocked it wasn’t original intention.
I think it’s completely genius to create an attachment to this Doctor before immediately changing his face- it immediately establishes the mechanics of regeneration and the show’s theme of facing change head-on. Plus, Eccleston’s arc was clearly about the effects of the Time War, and his choice of ‘coward over killer’ resolves an important aspect of his guilt- I see his regeneration as, like the video says, a new breath of life, less burdened by the guilt of his past actions, because he made a different choice this time.
4:59 - 5:31 Those edits made me sad AF, even though I grew up with David Tennant as my Doctor Christopher Eccleston not getting to go on for as long as he could’ve without his grudge against RTD breaks my heart.
I think CE coming back as the Master would be such a fun idea, he and MS versing another one would be fun, maybe the 70th! Haha
What if RTD didn't introduce the time war and Gallifrey and other time lords were present during the modern era? In my opinion I think it would have been worse than what we got but interested to see what you think. Awesome video as always!
Request: What if the modern series premiered in 2001 with Paul McGann for 3 seasons, a 40th anniversary special with John Hurt, and then 2 seasons of Christopher Eccleston
Out of context and ignoring the rest of the season, 9 would have been perfect in The Impossible Planet and the Satan Pit
Eccleston was my first Doctor and will forever be My Doctor.
It would’ve been fun to see Christopher in the 50th, however I think it would’ve undo the Ninth Doctors introduction in Rose. It was acknowledged that the Doctor had just being newly regenerated and if we had Nine in the 50th instead of the War Doctor, then how come Eccleston’s Doctor had spent years and years in a Time War and to then see his reflection “for the first time” in season 1?
I’ve actually thought about this, and I think the absolute best case dream scenario for the 50th Anniversary would’ve started with Paul McGann’s 8th Doctor fighting a climactic Time War battle, being killed, and regenerating into Christopher Eccleston’s 9th Doctor. For the rest of The Day of the Doctor, they just make sure it’s so action-packed that he never has time to see his reflection (playing retroactive damage control like with Star Wars: The Clone Wars making sure Anakin never meets General Grievous)
Russell T Davies has said that he never intended that scene in Rose to indicate that the Doctor had just regenerated. Afterall, the Doctor seems fairly comfortable in his body, and has already had offscreen solo adventures (as shown by Clive’s photographs). The Doctor wasn’t seeing his ears for the first time, he’s just constantly annoyed every time he sees them (the same way you might get annoyed every time you were reminded about a physical feature you disliked about yourself).
Keep up the great work brother
Thank you!
I love the idea of either Eccleston or Smith coming back as the Master and ruining his reputation, but to be fair, it doesn't have to be done with an existing Doctor's face (although that would obviously be great fan-service)... What could be interesting is if the next regeneration you see Gatwa's Doctor go through the light-show as per usual, but do a hard-cut cliffhanger where he's _about_ to start transforming to reveal the next actor so the new face is never actually revealed.
Then, start the next season with a new character who goes around doing very Doctor-y stuff in the TARDIS after a time-skip, with a new Companion coming in after he's been travelling alone for a while (like Matt Smith with Amy or Capaldi with Bill) - saving the day, although with a more edgy personality this time around where he has no problem with sacrificing someone for the greater good and does the right thing because it's logical rather than because he actually cares, more like the darker Capaldi episodes where he's more calculating than empathic about it without Clara to balance him out.
Then about halfway through the season, we get the reveal that the guy who has been traveling around in the TARDIS for the first episodes was actually *_the Master all along!_*
The _real_ Doctor (surprise reveal at episode's end of an unknown new face, dressed in the rags of Gatwa's old outfit, chained to the wall and slumped and beaten down in some sort of medieval-style prison cell) is actually held captive in the bowels of the TARDIS, and the Master basically ambushed the Doctor soon after his regeneration. He'd been following him for a while, waiting for a moment of weakness, and pounced when the new Doctor was still confused and getting used to their teeth again. Easily overpowering his weakened mind with his mesmerism, the Master basically walked him into this prison cell, caught him off-balance and chained him up. Then, he went out into the control room and just started having "adventures" and introducing himself to everyone as The Doctor. After all, that name is associated with so many different faces over the course of Time, so who's to say he isn't...?
Eventually though, it transpires that the Master's stint in cosplay all actually leads to some master _(ahem)_ plan - every adventure we've seen for the first half of the series has absolutely helped people and _seems_ to have saved the day, but this is more or less a happy side-effect rather than the main purpose... he saves a whole race of peace-loving people from some huge disaster, but it turns out that they will eventually grow more warlike in the future and create some massive superweapon that the Master needs as part of his plan down the line. So while he _seems_ to be saving them because he's the Good Guy, he's _actually_ doing it to ensure they survive to make his weapon.
A few scenarios like this play out until he finally reaches a point where he can't really justify his final move with some altruistic motive, and his Companion smells a rat and calls him on it... which results in the heel turn, with the Master/Doctor going all Colin Baker on her and chasing her through the halls of the TARDIS. The big cliffhanger is that she open a random door and finds this dude chained to the wall... "My God - who are you...?" they exclaim. They slowly look up, clearly exhausted through starvation, and say, "I'm... _the Doctor."_ Cut to credits, with the next episode being the Master/Doctor's Companion freeing the Doctor who then helps them defeat the Master (now they've had the time to get their head straight) and taking over as the show's true hero with the Companion by his side.
They could then spend the rest of the season basically backtracking to many of the Master/Doctor's episodes to witness the fallout and repercussions of his apparently "saving the day", which gradually reveals this big plan he very nearly put into action. You could even have them go back to the cell and try to get information out of the Master about his end game, like the _Silence Of The Lambs_ style scenes with Capaldi and Missy when she was locked in the vault.
In order for this to work though, you would have to go for the full misinformation campaign, carefully leaking that the Master/Doctor's actor would be the "new Doctor" for the next series, and keep the _real_ new Doctor under wraps with some serious misdirection until the reveal hallfway through the season. Given the Whovian grapevine and their extensive information network, that would take a titanic effort on the part of the cast and crew to avoid even the slightest slip-up by a 2nd-unit catering cook telling a friend without thinking and it suddenly ending up all over the papers the next day... but by _God,_ would that reveal be worth it!!!
I'm certain many of the flaws made in recent seasons wouldn't have happened if he had continued. Looking back, Eccleston doesn't seem so mad now. In fact, he seems wiser with his take about RTD knowing how RTD turned out. For me, with Eccleston back in front of the camera means a return to how Dr Who USED to be.
I am interested in your take on this:
What is David Tennant stayed for series 5?
What if the doctor fought the 456👀
That’s the what if I need😭
And what if 789? Wouldn't that be a tasty treat? 😋
One of my favourite what ifs
Is what if the doctor remember he saved Gallifrey rather than let it burn imagine how different the doctor would be
Martha should've travelled with nine (or twelve), he'd definitely treated her a lot better than ten, who just took her for granted
The biggest Dr Who "What If" for me is, what is McGann had done his own TV Series - I would love to have seen that
Love your doctor who videos! I know it's less of a what if rather than a didn't happen, but I'd like to see a video on what if the 10th doctor and brigadier reunion episode happened (which was planned but sadly didn't due to actors death)
What if the Valeyard popped up in Smith's era?
I would definitely like you to do a what if David Tennant stayed for series 5
Suggestion: what if Capaldi stayed on for series 11 or what if Jodie stayed on for series 14.
What if Eric Roberts returned as The Master instead of Derek Jacobi
No way. Derek Jacobi was perfect and a much better actor than Eric Roberts.
What if the series continued after Scream of the Shalka with Richard E Grant as the Ninth Doctor instead of being retconned by the revival
Definitely wanna see Tennant series 5 what if
Christopher eccleston. If he came back it would probably be for a special or a prequel series to new who series one and the events of the war doctor, which isnt long so if he came back, it wont be for long
What if Paul McGann got a series?
thats an interesting one! not esepcially series 1, just a series in general?
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Your evil for that "are you my mommy" jump scare, to this day it gives me chill
Forever my favorite doctor💗
one of the very best!
Fascinating that every Doctor isn't exactly the same person so this is a legit question of what would be different.
in my opinion, if Eccleston said no, Moffat should’ve asked McGann to return.
Man deserved a Doctor Who return and you could make some meta comment about the reason why there wasn’t an 8th Doctor series after the movie, is because the future Doctors tried forgetting about the incarnation entirely
The regeneration from 9 to 10 didn’t feel out of place as it felt like a small speed bump in between Series 1 and 2 feeling planned out from beginning to end
What If we could see the various splinters of Clara saving all the previous versions of the Doctor? It was never really shown, just implied in the Name of the Doctor. Or what if McGann had actually done a series after his TV movie?
Please do a video on what if Tennant did series 5
I've got a few kicking around
What if River Song stayed with 11 after Amy & Rory's departure like he asked?
What if Missy lived, following her decision to stand with the Doctor?
What if Astrid didn't die and got to be a full companion?
What if Rory was never restored after the Crack in Time unmade him (given this would prevent River from being born and vastly change storylines)?
What if 9 had met Martha first, instead of Rose?
What if the Dream Lord had been 11's main villain?
What if Clara did not return for Season 9, fully saying goodbye to 12 after Danny's death?
What if the order of Doctors was changed? (ie: 9 regen into 11, 10 into 12, etc)
What if Gallifrey hadn't been destroyed by the Master? (not necessarily a serious, just a saltiness I have about the show walking back the interesting paradigm shift of them being back in the series and what could have been explored)
I actually made a comic called what if doctor who where the ninth doctor didnt regenerate but regenerated after daleks in manhattan in series 3
My biggest question is what if Rose hadn't fallen in Doomsday and stayed in the Prime Universe with the Tenth Doctor?
What if Colin Baker’s missing season actually aired?
imagine 14 vs matt's the master
OMG! YES, more friend, more! Okay, so seriously, I'm posting comment before watching for algorithms sake.
What if Peter Capaldi did Series 11?
Another great video, would love to see What If Peter Capaldi Stayed for Series 11 next
Great suggestion!
Chibnall tried to do the ‘Master takes on the Doctor’s appearance’ idea, but totally flubbed it, by jamming it into an already overstuffed episode.
it didnt really work though, because it was the master taking over the doctors body... except he looked like the master. the bait and switch of having the master look like the doctor would be awesome
The entire series would be the current doctor coming across stories about himself and about all the damage and death he has caused so he follows the clues eventually coming across a tatdis, seeing the back of a leather jacket wearing man enter it and a chase begins, tardis chasing tardis through the time vortex stopping at familiar point in the doctors history like portals opening and closing as the other tardis blasts lazers and causes damage to the doctors past.
Eventually the other tardis lands (somewhere significant) the doctor lands his tardis and storms over to the other tardis.
The door cracks open and our doctor slows down, the familiar sound of the 9th/10th console room is getting louder. Footsteps down the metal ramp are heard along with some slow claps with an evil grin out steps the (Doctor)
"Fantastic"
What if Elton never got noshed off by a paving slab
HAHAHAHA
I got a better suggestion than Eccleston imo, What if Paul McGann did the Day of the Doctor.
I feel like that would make a far more interesting plot and reveal, it'd be shocking for many audiences but also it would make sense if looking to the expanded media (particularly big finish audios) where the 8th Doctor slowly went from a light-hearted romantic Doctor into a darker character due to the torture, loss, betrayals and all the other things that McGann's Doctor had went through that he broke and decided that enough was enough, thus becoming the Warrior.
What If Jodie Whittaker had stayed to be written by RTD?
What If Capaldi had stayed on for the Chibnall era?
Those are a couple of controversial ideas (albeit I’m glad didn’t happen) I’d be interested to hear discussed.
Will you still be doing what if David Tennant stayed for series 5?
I dunno, I’m defo gonna do a big series 14 video soon
I got one: what if Tennat stayed for Series 5. Moffat gave us a plan he had if Tennat stayed but i wonder how much we got would be the same or different in that series.
I learned there was a weird loop where Ten crashing into Amy Pond’s backyard was him from a different point or something, it sounds interesting.
@ytuser_3122 from what I heard, he was gonna meet her while he was regenerating, and then meet her as an adult, basically both we and Amy would know how the Doctor regens and that would be a plot point til the end of the season.
An Episode where they find a way to give us more 9th would be great. Weve seen the dr like the first dr almost mot regenerate. What if we see a dr change time and continue living. And does a whole series. But we all know it will end with him returning time to the way it was
Suggestion: Clara reversing the mindwipe caused too much damage and forced the Doctor to regenerate. S10 with Thirteen, Bill, and Nardole (and Missy!)
A good video, but there are a lot of mistakes in the captions. Could use a re-read. I assume you pasted your script in but it doesn't all match up.
Bruh, seeing those edits made me sigh. Even though I saw DW with David Tennant’s Tenth Doctor, I really enjoyed Christopher Eccleston’s Ninth Doctor and wish he’d do another series 😔
The War Doctor messed up the numbering, the Timeless Child (eurgh) blew a cannon ball, followed by a coach and horses through the Doctor full stop let alone the numbering. I was fine with one new Doctor inserted, I’m not fine with the prequel doctors. Not sure we need to wonder what would happen if Tennant had stayed….
im hopeing it was a trick by the master tbh
I'm not sure if I would add Timeless Child. The Doctor was reset after that.
@@skinwallker_dan I was hoping that Russell would do something like that; a faint hope, but increasingly unlikely…
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What if the paradigm Daleks and (more specifically) victory got a sequel as they definitely seemed to be setting them up to be more than what they became after the backlash…
I've seen lots of comments saying that it should've been McGann in the 50th special, I feel like that would've made just as much sense as Eccleston if the destruction of Gallifrey was committed by him, leaving 9 to shoulder the burden and the guilt
What if the doctor was involved in the Torchwood arcs like Children of Earth and Miracle day?
Conected to this one, What If The War Doctor Actually Had A Companion. I know badwolf is supposed to be that, but i meant like an actual one
What if Smith regenerated earlier and it was Twelve for Series 7B?
What if Jackie stayed in the same universe as The Doctor? If that were to happen, Jackie would pull the lever so Rose won't have to, causing Rose to stay for The Runaway Bride and more
What if Paul McGann came back as the war doctor
Would be so interested to see what doomsday would be like as a regeneration story as well, or possibly the runaway bride? Seems almost too cruel to take away rose from him then immediately kill him off before he has a chance to grieve
Id love to see ninth in the 50th but i do understand that it would undo the narrative arc of the ninth. The big finish audios are fun ways to get more ninth. Also eccleston does not like multi doctor stories and sees them as a gimmick which they are tbh. I know he did something with david warner but i imagine they talked him into that because he wanted to work with david warner and they paid him so fair dos.