I'm a psychologist. Keeping an incorrect label is the difference between object relations and language. In your mind, you don't need to know how to say a label, it's just understood. The label works. This is why it is possible to read an entire novel and never learn the character names.
Oh wow, that explains how as a kid I read Harry Potter and had no idea what Hermione's name was (this was before the movies existed). Her name was so bizarre and unknown my brain just skipped over it. I think subconsciously I remembered her as "H girl" or something like that, but it wasn't important when I was reading. Only afterwards when talking to others about the book I realized I had no idea what her name was.
@@Anwar-AT iirc he got burnt out on doing board game reviews and wanted to focus on other stuff, like writing his book. The full resignation letter is on the SU&SD website.
Not a Psychologist, but I've studied education. The reason it's hard to "unlearn" something that's wrong is because the first thing in your brain (in your case Feast of Odin) gets connected to neurons that associate is as correct. Anything that doesn't agree with that first idea gets connected with an error neuron. When you hear the new information, it triggers the error neuron and the connection grows stronger. It can be very difficult to break that connection and associate the correct information with neurons that "label" it as such. I realize this was just a throwaway line from the opener, but I felt like showing off my knowledge.
I've read (from a less technical perspective) that when you remember something, you overwrite your previous remembrance of it. This is how false memories develop. It's also why you should immediately look things up when you can't remember them. Otherwise, your memory will be of not being able to remember and you'll have a tougher time getting to the root knowledge.
feast OF odin is easier to say from a phonological point of view. the language generally tries to avoid consonant clusters. that's why our articulators (tongue, teeth, lips) naturally gravitate towards a more simple variant. feaSTFodin vs feaSToFOdin. Especially in this case where the difference in meaning between Of and For variants is irrelevant.
This was an excellent and entertaining review: made me laugh! Thank you so much for creating it. New subscriber here :) I saw this game at a store recently and as a lover of Agricola, caverna and patchwork thought I must have it. Now I know for sure!
The "the viking age podcast" suggests that a major reason for raiding is that it was a way to move up socially. They had the technology to modify the gold and silver items they stole, but many survived intact because they were intentionally not modified so that they could be used as proof that they were brought back, rather than made.
Is there something wrong with me that I'm annoyed that the component trays aren't set up properly according to the rule book? Some abilities are affected by that!
You don't actually have to restock the components in the boxes every time. They have lids. You do it once and as long as you treat it carefully you should never have to worry about that again.
Lovely review, but you just flew right past the career (I think that's what they are called) cards. These cards have a rule book unto themselves and should DRASTICALLY change how you approach each session. Without them, the game would indeed fall into some set strategies. With them, you will need to change on the fly to optimize each little worker. A very enjoyable game. I eagerly await the reprint.
Interesting. So you would say this has a lot more variability than, say, Caverna? How does the variability compare to Agroicola? I prefer Caverna generally 'cause it's just so much easier to get people to play but the lack of variable setup really does hurt that game. We've been trying out some house rules to fix that but I'm always interested in a new Uwe big box game.
Thank you for confirming this will probably not be a game for me. But your actual quotes from Jaws are the best. I will probably quote you on those actual quotes.
Message to all boardgame designer who make games like this with a hundred thousand different little cardboard pieces: raise the edge of your playerboard so pieces can't just slip off!! If someone even bumps slightly against the table here the entire game has to be restarted.
I'm still waiting for Paul's review of that Feast of Odin game he always talks about. This sounds like they're cashing in on that game's good graces, whereas that game sounds like a good god killing game where clans of Viking cannibals feast on fallen Viking gods.
Can someone explain the joke at 24:00 to me? I've watched this review a dozen times and always love it, but feel like there's some inside joke here that I'm not aware of.
Patchwork not well known, you say? It has just about as many ratings on BGG as Caverna does, despite being a year younger. It's in the top 40 of the main chart, #1 in Abstracts and #2 in Family, and it's carried by my local specialty toy shop. People know about it.
we’ve had it sitting for one and a half year on the shelf but finally played it yesterday… wow… blew us away. what a fantastic game! easily yhe most complex (in terms of amount) games we’ve ever played… alone explaining through it took us about one and a half hour, but boy did this pay off!! cheers
This review made me think that A Feast For Odin could maybe be a better board game cousin to Stardew Valley, the video game- in terms of the experience you have collecting, upgrading, going on various missions, going about this alongside other people and yet, still rather solitary in your focus- than the actual Stardew Valley board game... okay well minus the competition and raiding and pillaging haha.
Agricola was one of the games that really got me into modern gaming as well. I hear what you're saying about there being more or less "set paths" to victory, but I think that increases the players bumping into each other a bit. There is nothing quite like the look on someone's face when they realize you just took the reed they needed to upgrade their home on the last turn. Sooo gooood! I enjoyed the review, and look forward to playing the game when I get a chance too. However, I could do without all the "fluff." I found it distracting, and honestly, I believe it detracts from the rest of the review. Thanks for the effort though, you guys have been doing great work for a long time!
So many of the board states shown in the video look illegal. Did I misunderstand that you can't cover a new income space without covering everything left and below it?
There were a lot of illegal board states, I'm guessing he was just kind of throwing stuff on the board without worrying too much about the income track rules for video shooting purposes
Paul, Caverna is in my attic. Seriously, passed by that Feast was the same creator as Agricola and Caverna. A third champion has entered the realm, AND I STILL CAN'T DECIDE WHICH ONE TO BUY!
That's true of most of the big box Uwe games. If you play it 7 or 8 times I feel like they've more than made up their costs. And the price DOES allow for table presence and components that make them easy to entice people to play more often.
So many people are saying this is a great game, but it doesn't seem gripping. I love Agricola, and am eager to try the other Uwe games, but where Caverna and Le Havre seem to make some sense thematically, the tetris part of the game along with the spreadsheet of actions looks confusing and unthematic. Given the praise I will try to play if I get the chance, and I will likely enjoy the puzzle, but I don't think I'll get the same sense of having built something at the end which is what I really enjoy. I like looking at my farm at the end of Agricola, I like looking at my city at the end of Suburbia regardless of a win or loss, because it tells a story of the city/people on the farm. For those who have played this does Feast for Odin do that?
I never understood people who claim Caverna and Feast are "more accessible" than Agricola. In Agricola, you feed your family by raising crops and animals. In Caverna, you do the same but you are also a dwarf and live in a cave and you go on... adventures ... inside your...cav... And in Feast, you are now Viking and you ... buy, umm...I mean feed.. I mean go on adve... no in fact you actually arrange, yes, ARRANGE your stuff and also feed and go whaling and.... ANYHOW, in Agricola you feed your family by raising crop and animals. Accessibility +1!
McFly I think what makes feast more accessible than Agricola is the cards. In Agricola you're handed 14 cards right off the bat that players need to read and be familiar with in order to perform well. In feast, you are only dealt one at a time. That alone makes it more accessible to me
11:44 "Feast of Odin"
Seven years later and this video is still a masterpiece! 🤯
"You can go to the Faroe islands where Egyptian rulers are from"
Underrated
I'm a psychologist. Keeping an incorrect label is the difference between object relations and language. In your mind, you don't need to know how to say a label, it's just understood. The label works. This is why it is possible to read an entire novel and never learn the character names.
Fuck me if I learned something watching board game reviews videos today
@@larrye a good trick is to use the name a few times on a row in conversation with the person
@@mydemon I learned that Vikings fucking love rocks.
That happens with me when I watch movies. I usually just call characters by their actors names.
Oh wow, that explains how as a kid I read Harry Potter and had no idea what Hermione's name was (this was before the movies existed). Her name was so bizarre and unknown my brain just skipped over it. I think subconsciously I remembered her as "H girl" or something like that, but it wasn't important when I was reading. Only afterwards when talking to others about the book I realized I had no idea what her name was.
I miss Paul. This review is so good
100%
Why did he leave?
@@Anwar-ATWhat happened to Paul?
@@Anwar-AT iirc he got burnt out on doing board game reviews and wanted to focus on other stuff, like writing his book. The full resignation letter is on the SU&SD website.
@@DragoonBoom okay good. I'm glad it was just wanting to change professions and not like a drama thing.
If anybody else watching this has ships coming out of their fjords, there is a special helpline available on the NHS website.
Dice Hard M
This is officially my favorite board game channel now. Btw you guys and Dice Tower, all my board gaming informational needs are officially met lol.
Why so many Scandinavian bands play metal music?
Because Vikings f..ng love ROCK?
Our towns are few and far between, the music has to be LOUD to get to the next neighbour...
Peter Magro underrated theory
Look at my f@#$ing rock, everyone.
Not a Psychologist, but I've studied education. The reason it's hard to "unlearn" something that's wrong is because the first thing in your brain (in your case Feast of Odin) gets connected to neurons that associate is as correct. Anything that doesn't agree with that first idea gets connected with an error neuron. When you hear the new information, it triggers the error neuron and the connection grows stronger. It can be very difficult to break that connection and associate the correct information with neurons that "label" it as such.
I realize this was just a throwaway line from the opener, but I felt like showing off my knowledge.
I've read (from a less technical perspective) that when you remember something, you overwrite your previous remembrance of it. This is how false memories develop. It's also why you should immediately look things up when you can't remember them. Otherwise, your memory will be of not being able to remember and you'll have a tougher time getting to the root knowledge.
Thank you for this!
Awesome info !
And when you're playing, you definitely think "I'm eating Odin."
New shirt for your merch store.
"Vikings #%$&#*@ love their rocks." -Paul
feast OF odin is easier to say from a phonological point of view. the language generally tries to avoid consonant clusters. that's why our articulators (tongue, teeth, lips) naturally gravitate towards a more simple variant. feaSTFodin vs feaSToFOdin. Especially in this case where the difference in meaning between Of and For variants is irrelevant.
So the only thing I take away from this review is that Vikings fucking love rocks. I feel like I missed something.
Yes. Bears.
Also surprise skunk?
Beets.
It doesn’t matter how I rotate the pizza.
This was an excellent and entertaining review: made me laugh! Thank you so much for creating it. New subscriber here :) I saw this game at a store recently and as a lover of Agricola, caverna and patchwork thought I must have it. Now I know for sure!
I must be a viking, because i fucking love rocks as well!
The "the viking age podcast" suggests that a major reason for raiding is that it was a way to move up socially. They had the technology to modify the gold and silver items they stole, but many survived intact because they were intentionally not modified so that they could be used as proof that they were brought back, rather than made.
Is there something wrong with me that I'm annoyed that the component trays aren't set up properly according to the rule book? Some abilities are affected by that!
Lol I loose my shit every time he says vikings fucking love their rocks 😂😂😂
Shut up and sit down has made me realize that I really don't want to fool with most board games
You don't actually have to restock the components in the boxes every time. They have lids. You do it once and as long as you treat it carefully you should never have to worry about that again.
OMG did anyone else catch the joke about the egyptian rulers? I thought I’d have to die.
I had to stop the video to laugh. And then scrolled down looking for this comment.
18:32 if anyone's wondering what we're talking about.
My favorite review of my favorite boardgamer. Miss Paul on SU&SD!!
Odin is your favourite board gamer?
love the intro
Lovely review, but you just flew right past the career (I think that's what they are called) cards. These cards have a rule book unto themselves and should DRASTICALLY change how you approach each session. Without them, the game would indeed fall into some set strategies. With them, you will need to change on the fly to optimize each little worker. A very enjoyable game. I eagerly await the reprint.
Interesting. So you would say this has a lot more variability than, say, Caverna?
How does the variability compare to Agroicola?
I prefer Caverna generally 'cause it's just so much easier to get people to play but the lack of variable setup really does hurt that game. We've been trying out some house rules to fix that but I'm always interested in a new Uwe big box game.
is this filmed in Canada? I recognized some of the products from the opening bit as Canadian
I believe at least at the time Paul did live in Canada yes.
Thank you for confirming this will probably not be a game for me. But your actual quotes from Jaws are the best. I will probably quote you on those actual quotes.
♫ WE'RE VIKINGS!
what'll ya know, the terrors of the sea
WE'RE VIKINGS!
wherever we go, pillaging happily ♫
I think I've found the one other person who both has watched VeggieTales and watches Shut up and sit down
@@ludwigamadeushaydn706
friend!
I bought this game because of this review! Thank you Paul!
00:55 "two dollar coin" we just call them toonies
I'd be interested in hearing more about Quinn's falling out with Caverna
Paul picked up French so quickly up there in Canada.
I’m stoned in Canada at 3am and that bear around was just what I needed
Dear SU&SD,
Please invest in a wide angle lens. It will improve your lives dramatically.
Sincerely,
A guy pretending to understand DSLRs
This guy is way more funny than I thought!
Message to all boardgame designer who make games like this with a hundred thousand different little cardboard pieces: raise the edge of your playerboard so pieces can't just slip off!!
If someone even bumps slightly against the table here the entire game has to be restarted.
I'm still waiting for Paul's review of that Feast of Odin game he always talks about. This sounds like they're cashing in on that game's good graces, whereas that game sounds like a good god killing game where clans of Viking cannibals feast on fallen Viking gods.
Actually, no. That game is called "Feast on Odin." 😝
This game looks bonkers, jeez. Man, here I thought Agricola would scare my friends away...
It's much more forgiving than Agricola.
There is no way in hell this game is more accessible than Caverna
A beautiful, considered tribute to a great game and a wonderful hobby.
Rocks, bears and vikings. I'm sold!
"Come over here and look at my fucking rocks."
Still not really sold on the game. Don't think I'm a big enough fan of the Patchwork thing to want a game this BIG revolving around it.
Can someone explain the joke at 24:00 to me? I've watched this review a dozen times and always love it, but feel like there's some inside joke here that I'm not aware of.
I need a "Vikings f%#$
6:17 I've witnessed the miracle of life.
It's nothing like that.
Patchwork not well known, you say? It has just about as many ratings
on BGG as Caverna does, despite being a year younger. It's in the top
40 of the main chart, #1 in Abstracts and #2 in Family, and it's carried
by my local specialty toy shop. People know about it.
Patchwork is Rosenberg's best work in a long time. Brilliant little game.
Fuck yeah, rocks.
6:36 That illegal board hurts me so bad.
PS. I got a feeling that vikings might love rocks?
we’ve had it sitting for one and a half year on the shelf but finally played it yesterday… wow… blew us away. what a fantastic game! easily yhe most complex (in terms of amount) games we’ve ever played… alone explaining through it took us about one and a half hour, but boy did this pay off!! cheers
Fantastic review. Thanks another game must have game 😅
But how do Vikings feel about rocks?
their opinion on rocks was pretty neutral i believe
Did anyone else say "Shut up and Sit Down" before this intro with food ended?
Thinking of getting this for my GF as a Christmas present... how is it at 2-player though? BGG ratings of that experience seem mixed.
so many beautiful fricker-fracker-fucking rocks
This game s definitely for you if you love rocks
This review made me think that A Feast For Odin could maybe be a better board game cousin to Stardew Valley, the video game- in terms of the experience you have collecting, upgrading, going on various missions, going about this alongside other people and yet, still rather solitary in your focus- than the actual Stardew Valley board game... okay well minus the competition and raiding and pillaging haha.
Such a good opener!
Agricola was one of the games that really got me into modern gaming as well. I hear what you're saying about there being more or less "set paths" to victory, but I think that increases the players bumping into each other a bit. There is nothing quite like the look on someone's face when they realize you just took the reed they needed to upgrade their home on the last turn. Sooo gooood!
I enjoyed the review, and look forward to playing the game when I get a chance too. However, I could do without all the "fluff." I found it distracting, and honestly, I believe it detracts from the rest of the review. Thanks for the effort though, you guys have been doing great work for a long time!
So many of the board states shown in the video look illegal. Did I misunderstand that you can't cover a new income space without covering everything left and below it?
There were a lot of illegal board states, I'm guessing he was just kind of throwing stuff on the board without worrying too much about the income track rules for video shooting purposes
looking forward to this one.
Bear Island. I want to go there.
Jorah Mormont of Bear Island
patchwork is an absolutely fantastic 2p game. Simple yet hard to master while being 100% perfect information
* hits windows frame * What a wonderful evening...
What I learned from this review is that Vikings love rocks.
Feast on my rocks Odin
All of my friends call elder sign eversource. WHY
It's a jigsaw puzzle i can do in 90 minutes? I love doing jigsaw puzzles with people. This looks perfect.
I think I recognize your couch. Is it the "Ektorp" from Ikea?
love that bear basket!
I love his shirt.
Top Reward : First Viking on a Space-ship ;)
"...or maybe viking budding." Thumbs up for the science-y biology joke. 😝👍
Vikings love their fucking rocks
Where did you whent?
Hey staff member, you go and make more people. By yourself. lmao
Published on Jan 28, 2017
First published on January 27th, 2017
OK
Those RUclips processing times can be a nightmare :P
This would be awesome with a post apocalyptic/scavenging theme.
Trust me,
I'm a dogtor
Two dollar coin? Toonie!
Feast of Vikings fucking love rocks Odin
got this for 30 dollars today, excited to crack it out
STONES!
Thanks to the comments my head thinks it is "The feast of odin" now.
Wher is the patchwork review?
www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-patchwork/
Paul, Caverna is in my attic.
Seriously, passed by that Feast was the same creator as Agricola and Caverna. A third champion has entered the realm, AND I STILL CAN'T DECIDE WHICH ONE TO BUY!
I am worried about how Paul feeds himself, also clearly 4:19 the Vikings have cloning. Also what is accent.
Viking budding ftw.
What is the difference between Caverna and this? The tetris tiles? Sounds like the same game-
Respectfully disagree about A Feast for Odin being the best Rosenberg game.
TIL that vikings fucking love rocks.
a feast for money, like someone feasted on your money
That's true of most of the big box Uwe games.
If you play it 7 or 8 times I feel like they've more than made up their costs. And the price DOES allow for table presence and components that make them easy to entice people to play more often.
Great video, please try to review Space Empires 4X!
what is the prettiest game that is still so good that you want to play it many times?
Tokaido
thanks
Scythe
War of the Ring Collector's Edition.
Escape Plan
Chip Butty for dinner
Vikings fucking LOVE rocks.
~Paul, 2017
So many people are saying this is a great game, but it doesn't seem gripping. I love Agricola, and am eager to try the other Uwe games, but where Caverna and Le Havre seem to make some sense thematically, the tetris part of the game along with the spreadsheet of actions looks confusing and unthematic. Given the praise I will try to play if I get the chance, and I will likely enjoy the puzzle, but I don't think I'll get the same sense of having built something at the end which is what I really enjoy. I like looking at my farm at the end of Agricola, I like looking at my city at the end of Suburbia regardless of a win or loss, because it tells a story of the city/people on the farm. For those who have played this does Feast for Odin do that?
True facts about star trek inside!
yay a new review
I never understood people who claim Caverna and Feast are "more accessible" than Agricola. In Agricola, you feed your family by raising crops and animals. In Caverna, you do the same but you are also a dwarf and live in a cave and you go on... adventures ... inside your...cav... And in Feast, you are now Viking and you ... buy, umm...I mean feed.. I mean go on adve... no in fact you actually arrange, yes, ARRANGE your stuff and also feed and go whaling and....
ANYHOW, in Agricola you feed your family by raising crop and animals. Accessibility +1!
McFly I think what makes feast more accessible than Agricola is the cards. In Agricola you're handed 14 cards right off the bat that players need to read and be familiar with in order to perform well. In feast, you are only dealt one at a time. That alone makes it more accessible to me
I have the best rocks.
Love this game!