I'm a revert. Once upon a time I was Christian but was married before I reverted. My wife is still Christian and Insha'Allah one day she will revert but she, just like me and many before, we were permitted by ALLAH to change. Just like the sahaba. They were all reverts. Who are we to judge. I see the difference of opinion but I also have to look at my RABB and HIS power and what HE done for me, that HE would do for her. Concerning the belief in ONE GOD, we are born into polythiest families but the most logical conclusion which our fithra cries out for is the belief in ONE GOD. People never had the knowledge or the prophets who brought the belief in ONE GOD to them to make their minds up and that's why many remained the same. All the prophets (pbut) have touched our lives and we still have people who don't want to believe so it all depends on a person acknowledging that they could be wrong and using their reasoning to come up with a decision. Some protect their belief and don't seek truth and some seek truth and use their reasoning to breakaway from their upbringing and their disbelief in what their mothers and fathers believe in...
@@bosnian_girlll which one? I can talk about maybe Genesis 3 where Adam and eve ate from the tree and became naked and became knowledgeable about right and wrong which means they didn't know right from wrong and how God called out for Adam like he didn't know where he was being all knowing. Or maybe you'd like a different verse that we could go over. Maybe I can show you my altar boy pics from back in the day if i can find any around. Or maybe you'd like to see the way I got married or the big cross tattoo on my right leg on my calve that says in GOD I trust? Why would I lie about it? So, every Christian that leaves Christianity didn't know Christianity? Maybe I'm not understanding your question right just like I never understood how the bible took away verses out of the bible when it was found out that earlier manuscripts didn't have them in there to begin with? Please man... My entire family except for a few are Christian to the core. I'll ask them to invite you for christmas lunch sincing I don't go anymore. You can take my spot. I'm sure they still hold it for me. Jeremiah 10,somehwere in the beginning they talk about celebrating that too.
@@bosnian_girlll is that the one that speaks of, if they were of us, they wouldn't leave us,something like that? If so, I get what you saying but am I not to use my logic when trying to understand what religion like the many out there is the right one? All religions will say that because just like a soccer team and knowing the mental problems you will Have trying to Leave that alone, a group of men who understand the human flaw will use it against them when trying to keep them where they are. So, because it says that, I must not follow the most honest and the highest understanding of GOD out there which makes the most logical sense and sits right with me and just accept the many contradictions that the bible has just because of that verse ? This I am willing to sit with GOD and stand up for. If I'm not to use my mind when it's been given to me by GOD, then I have failed to understand and grasp what it is he expects of me. I believe in GODS law and know that this is what I need to follow. If you don't believe it to be in Islam, then that is something you'd have to answer for when you meet GOD. You keep on trusting that the law is written on your heart like the many people out there that claim christianity and claim they God fearing but do godless things. I'm just trying to live as right as I can with the best concept of GOD I resonate with.
@@bravesoul964 You need to be more clear and direct. You need to stick to the verse. The verse says in the last paragraph; ''but their going showed that none of them belonged to us'' So those who left the faith, the religion - they were never in the religion in that faith to begin with. When you say you were a Christian , according to who? Because the text says you were never a Christian and ? We only go by the text and not peoples personal opinions.
That is where your brain malfunctioned. Do babies stay as babies? Do all babies die in their infant stage? Pretty sure most grow up and all end up committing sin. Only one being never committed sin. It wasn’t the pedophile moooohammad. It was Jesus. The KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The FIRST AND THE LAST.
They also believe that three separate beings are somehow one that makes up their god? It's amazing how they believe that they're monotheistic which in truth they're far from it.
Lol no one wants to talk to them anymore and they running out of content for their channel.. Now they trying to appeal to jordans kindness lol even soco giving him water etc lol
Paperboy concedes that the bible is essentially a collection of hadith 37:00 So its a false equivalence to compare the credibility of the christian hadith with the Quran, which is actual revelation. Paperboy is essentially admitting the christians have no scripture.
It's a breath of fresh air to see Jordan's in the Park. He's calm, patient, logical approach. Plain speech without duplicity. Mash Allah. As a revert I had the same reservations about: Original sin, the Trinity, Catholics praying in front of a statue (to direct and focus the prayer), transubstantiation where the consecrated Eucharist physically becomes the actual flesh and blood of Christ, along with Church invented rituals never practiced by Jesus A.S., not to mention the celebration of the blood sacrifice of a virgin human. And watch how Brother Jordan says, Thanks to Allah, gift of water, before taking a sip. Paper Boy is absorbed with his own rhetoric to be thankful.
The Holy Qur'an strikes at the very root of such wrong concepts of sacrifice and asserts that "it is neither the flesh nor the blood of (animals) that reaches Allah, but it is your piety that reaches Him," for God does not stand In need of food or blood.
The things is a man like paperboy who tries to rely on as he say external evidence wouldn’t do the same for external evidence that would undermine his beliefs such as the creation of plants and light etc he would try to allegories such verses but then if you allegories these verses why wouldn’t you allegories of these too but I’m pretty sure paperboy wouldn’t try to go down that road
Paper boy keeps making up arguments as he goes. It’s unbelievable that he relies more on probability and assumption to pass off egregious problems with the Bible
I'm at one hour of this conversation and did paper boy realise that he’s not defending or trying to answer anything about Christianity. Jordan has been trying to get him hold onto his ground belief but he doesn’t want to or try to create confusion in this discussion. He’s talking about consistency but all he did was throwing his belief under the bus. When Jordan was trying to ground him on his scripture history, he then saying “well what about the Quran?” Because he believes that the Quran wasn’t preserved and were written by men (which is not) and for that reason, without him knowing, that he had applied the same standard to his own bible. I can understand Jordan style of conversation and he’s not trying to get into any debate. But listening to paper boy waffling, i just cant.
Paperboy asks for proof about the Islamic perspective of Jesus (which has chain of narration back to God's words) yet bases his belief of Jesus on unknown sources and blind faith.
Interesting conversation. Jordan letting him attack islam doesn't have the negative impact expected. Paperboy didn't present a coherent and attractive message.
Jordan should’ve jammed him up and stopped him from saying that Islam only have one witness and Christians have the 4 gospels and witnesses as if they 4 ppl lived at the same time lol
Quantum mechanics Quantum physics can make you understand that 1 can mean more then 1 so don't be fooled with ur faculties(intellect)3=1 “They will say: If only we had listened or used reason, we would not have ended up as inmates in the burning fire.” [Quran 67:10] Alhamdulilah for Islam
This discussion is more of a blow to a Muslim and some one thinking of becoming a Muslim than a Christian. Paper boy managed to pull out a lot of claims and incorrect assumptions about Islam and at the same time make very appealing points and assumptions about Christianity. At the end he successfully put out a lot of doubt about Islam out there and the title of this video has even made it more worse as a Muslim.
Incorrect assumptions sums it up… he’s making it easier for potential reverts through his insincerity and going around the houses to deflect from his lies.
Why was law created if not to follow it? If law is removed, then how do we have a cohesive society. Everyone says they believe in GOD but aren't willing to submit to HIS commandments. Do people not see or test the commandments, the laws of GOD against this man made system that they adhere to? Can't they see how it's failing? Their love to not let go of their own desires keeps them from seeing the benefit of the law. They think GOD can't see their ways. Alhumdulillah for Islam. Insha'Allah, ALLAH ta Ala will permit for their hearts to see.
Maaaaan do we get to an explanation today or when is good? like... he is talking about everything between heaven and heart EXCEPT trinity which was the second question.. i know know why i haven't really watched anything with him - honestly even Terry is better and he is HOrriBle.. he kinda reminds me of Kais without the "gotcha" moments
This was not a career ending debate. That guy was actually well versed in his studies of Quran and Hadith compared to the average Christian. He brought up very valid points and I’m curious to see the responses to some of those. I’m sick of these clickbait titles though
I didn't count how many " I" he said , But someone for whom God Almighty the Creator of this huge universe had to kill himself as he could re-establish his relationship with him , he worth no more than an onion with few yelow layers !
Please please stop lying on these titles. An hour into this debate and nothing proper has been discussed. Its NOT a career ending debate. As Muslims you should not be dishonest for clikbait. Honestly this debate is useless. Not because Jordan isn't knowledgeable but because nothing of substance was established or discussed.
ok, quantum intanglement tough to grasp. We canot fully understand the infinite God fully. But does it mean that every non sense about God cannot be challenged ?.
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Paperboy! You can't explain/defend trinity! Trinity is a big lie! If you put your salvation upon it, give us the proof from the bible or keep on deceiving yourself!
Scribes.... Who else? I don't get you? Someone with a hand depending if they left or right handed, with a pen like object, pressing down but against whatever they could've used back then and they wrote. Not like us who barely write nowadays and just type. There were many scribes of the prophet (saw)... I might be able to name a few but I'm sure if you really interested and don't just want to hate on Muslims like I've seen in your comments, you will Probably find out and instead of trying to belittle Islam, learn something, even if you don't want to believe in it but don't try and learn something to break it down when logic is what keeps it standing upright and it has ALLAH on its side.What if you wrong about it?what if it is from GOD and here you have said everything bad about it?you don't want that on your record. Falsehood will perish brother and truth will Prevail.
@@bravesoul964 abdoool, the quran is a plagiarize corrupt copy of parts of the Bible. you nor any muslim can provide any substantial evidence to prove its authorship or authentication. I challenge you or any muslim to prove it.......please provide the evidence other wise shut up
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Why can’t paperboy defend his faith without using Islam
There's nothing to defend.
He's trying to be clever..but br Jordan make him strunggling with simple logic...
lmaoooo the age of reasoning thing he was talking about earlier was completely stolen from us the muslims lollll
Big Up Brother Jordan💪
I'm a revert. Once upon a time I was Christian but was married before I reverted. My wife is still Christian and Insha'Allah one day she will revert but she, just like me and many before, we were permitted by ALLAH to change. Just like the sahaba. They were all reverts. Who are we to judge. I see the difference of opinion but I also have to look at my RABB and HIS power and what HE done for me, that HE would do for her. Concerning the belief in ONE GOD, we are born into polythiest families but the most logical conclusion which our fithra cries out for is the belief in ONE GOD. People never had the knowledge or the prophets who brought the belief in ONE GOD to them to make their minds up and that's why many remained the same. All the prophets (pbut) have touched our lives and we still have people who don't want to believe so it all depends on a person acknowledging that they could be wrong and using their reasoning to come up with a decision. Some protect their belief and don't seek truth and some seek truth and use their reasoning to breakaway from their upbringing and their disbelief in what their mothers and fathers believe in...
Can you explain a verse from Bible for me if you were a Christian?
@@bosnian_girlll which one?
I can talk about maybe Genesis 3 where Adam and eve ate from the tree and became naked and became knowledgeable about right and wrong which means they didn't know right from wrong and how God called out for Adam like he didn't know where he was being all knowing. Or maybe you'd like a different verse that we could go over. Maybe I can show you my altar boy pics from back in the day if i can find any around. Or maybe you'd like to see the way I got married or the big cross tattoo on my right leg on my calve that says in GOD I trust? Why would I lie about it? So, every Christian that leaves Christianity didn't know Christianity? Maybe I'm not understanding your question right just like I never understood how the bible took away verses out of the bible when it was found out that earlier manuscripts didn't have them in there to begin with?
Please man... My entire family except for a few are Christian to the core. I'll ask them to invite you for christmas lunch sincing I don't go anymore. You can take my spot. I'm sure they still hold it for me. Jeremiah 10,somehwere in the beginning they talk about celebrating that too.
@@bravesoul964 No not those verses. I need an explanation for (1 John 2:19)
@@bosnian_girlll is that the one that speaks of, if they were of us, they wouldn't leave us,something like that?
If so, I get what you saying but am I not to use my logic when trying to understand what religion like the many out there is the right one?
All religions will say that because just like a soccer team and knowing the mental problems you will Have trying to Leave that alone, a group of men who understand the human flaw will use it against them when trying to keep them where they are. So, because it says that, I must not follow the most honest and the highest understanding of GOD out there which makes the most logical sense and sits right with me and just accept the many contradictions that the bible has just because of that verse ? This I am willing to sit with GOD and stand up for. If I'm not to use my mind when it's been given to me by GOD, then I have failed to understand and grasp what it is he expects of me. I believe in GODS law and know that this is what I need to follow. If you don't believe it to be in Islam, then that is something you'd have to answer for when you meet GOD. You keep on trusting that the law is written on your heart like the many people out there that claim christianity and claim they God fearing but do godless things. I'm just trying to live as right as I can with the best concept of GOD I resonate with.
@@bravesoul964 You need to be more clear and direct. You need to stick to the verse.
The verse says in the last paragraph;
''but their going showed that none of them belonged to us''
So those who left the faith, the religion - they were never in the religion in that faith to begin with.
When you say you were a Christian , according to who? Because the text says you were never a Christian and ? We only go by the text and not peoples personal opinions.
I swear this guy can’t have a conversation without conflating issues. Not just on a subject matter but religions🤦🏻♂️
Asalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu, really enjoy watching our brother Jordan talking logic
So , if he already believes that babies are innocent then WHY did Jesus had to die on the cross❓️⁉️🤔👀🧐 06:09 that was a right kick 😅
That is where your brain malfunctioned. Do babies stay as babies? Do all babies die in their infant stage? Pretty sure most grow up and all end up committing sin. Only one being never committed sin. It wasn’t the pedophile moooohammad. It was Jesus. The KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The FIRST AND THE LAST.
They also believe that three separate beings are somehow one that makes up their god? It's amazing how they believe that they're monotheistic which in truth they're far from it.
I’m Muslim alhamdullah but all these titles like are so clickbait an lies would the Sahaba had acted like this pbut
You are 100% correct
Lol no one wants to talk to them anymore and they running out of content for their channel.. Now they trying to appeal to jordans kindness lol even soco giving him water etc lol
They're still doing good in views though
We have elaborated in this Quran for the people every kind of example, but the human being is a most argumentative being. Quran 18:54
Paperboy concedes that the bible is essentially a collection of hadith 37:00
So its a false equivalence to compare the credibility of the christian hadith with the Quran, which is actual revelation.
Paperboy is essentially admitting the christians have no scripture.
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It's a breath of fresh air to see Jordan's in the Park. He's calm, patient, logical approach. Plain speech without duplicity. Mash Allah. As a revert I had the same reservations about: Original sin, the Trinity, Catholics praying in front of a statue (to direct and focus the prayer), transubstantiation where the consecrated Eucharist physically becomes the actual flesh and blood of Christ, along with Church invented rituals never practiced by Jesus A.S., not to mention the celebration of the blood sacrifice of a virgin human. And watch how Brother Jordan says, Thanks to Allah, gift of water, before taking a sip. Paper Boy is absorbed with his own rhetoric to be thankful.
Masha Allah Jordan is growing his beard
I trimmed my beard :)
Paperboy: “Muslim will say Allah can’t enter creation because he will become creation”.
This guy will say anything just to win an argument. SMH
Love Jordan. Such a calm and collected guy
May allah bliss our brother played smartly with this Christian
The Holy Qur'an strikes at the very root of such wrong concepts of sacrifice and asserts that "it is neither the flesh nor the blood of (animals) that reaches Allah, but it is your piety that reaches Him," for God does not stand In need of food or blood.
The things is a man like paperboy who tries to rely on as he say external evidence wouldn’t do the same for external evidence that would undermine his beliefs such as the creation of plants and light etc he would try to allegories such verses but then if you allegories these verses why wouldn’t you allegories of these too but I’m pretty sure paperboy wouldn’t try to go down that road
The more they talk the more they dig a hole for themselves 😂😂
How is he trying to compare Harry Potter to the Quran?
This guy has no knowledge about the Quran. He's lying.
Paper boy keeps making up arguments as he goes. It’s unbelievable that he relies more on probability and assumption to pass off egregious problems with the Bible
Paper boy explain by using lies to input his own believes so not truth about his own religion ... very sad 😢
I'm at one hour of this conversation and did paper boy realise that he’s not defending or trying to answer anything about Christianity. Jordan has been trying to get him hold onto his ground belief but he doesn’t want to or try to create confusion in this discussion. He’s talking about consistency but all he did was throwing his belief under the bus. When Jordan was trying to ground him on his scripture history, he then saying “well what about the Quran?” Because he believes that the Quran wasn’t preserved and were written by men (which is not) and for that reason, without him knowing, that he had applied the same standard to his own bible. I can understand Jordan style of conversation and he’s not trying to get into any debate. But listening to paper boy waffling, i just cant.
Paperboy got shredded 😂😂😂
I’ve noticed Paperboy is secretly using Muslim arguments for his beliefs 🤦🏾♂️😂. Has he secretly been watching “Dawah” channels? 😂
Shubuhat regarding 200 verses in surah al azab: the hadith is weak as the chain contains ibn lubaya'ah who is rejected.
Paperboy asks for proof about the Islamic perspective of Jesus (which has chain of narration back to God's words) yet bases his belief of Jesus on unknown sources and blind faith.
Interesting conversation. Jordan letting him attack islam doesn't have the negative impact expected. Paperboy didn't present a coherent and attractive message.
What is the point of such a title? Looks like a lie. I know dawah is important but so is the truth...
38:50 he wants allmighty god to come down and write it
What do you mean?
@MohamedShou he said it's written by humans
20:39 Which prophet was with Noah ﷺ or Ibrahim ﷺ to assist them or vouch for their honesty ?!😂🤡
Jordan should’ve jammed him up and stopped him from saying that Islam only have one witness and Christians have the 4 gospels and witnesses as if they 4 ppl lived at the same time lol
Emm yes they did😂
35:00 no they dont agree
This paper boy guy just babbled the entire time as all the speaker corner Christians.
Paper boy Islam haters let Allah judges him ...do not argue with those who not sincere about truth
Quantum mechanics Quantum physics can make you understand that 1 can mean more then 1 so don't be fooled with ur faculties(intellect)3=1
“They will say: If only we had listened or used reason, we would not have ended up as inmates in the burning fire.” [Quran 67:10]
Alhamdulilah for Islam
Even god the father got confused with trinity.
This discussion is more of a blow to a Muslim and some one thinking of becoming a Muslim than a Christian.
Paper boy managed to pull out a lot of claims and incorrect assumptions about Islam and at the same time make very appealing points and assumptions about Christianity. At the end he successfully put out a lot of doubt about Islam out there and the title of this video has even made it more worse as a Muslim.
Incorrect assumptions sums it up… he’s making it easier for potential reverts through his insincerity and going around the houses to deflect from his lies.
Why was law created if not to follow it? If law is removed, then how do we have a cohesive society. Everyone says they believe in GOD but aren't willing to submit to HIS commandments. Do people not see or test the commandments, the laws of GOD against this man made system that they adhere to? Can't they see how it's failing? Their love to not let go of their own desires keeps them from seeing the benefit of the law. They think GOD can't see their ways. Alhumdulillah for Islam. Insha'Allah, ALLAH ta Ala will permit for their hearts to see.
Well put my brother The prophetic caliphate is inevitable Inshallah.
This is what you get when you hijack someone else’s messiah invent a religion and whip it into existence ??
JORDAN M HAS A DOPPLERGANGER ............... J WALLER
Maaaaan do we get to an explanation today or when is good? like... he is talking about everything between heaven and heart EXCEPT trinity which was the second question.. i know know why i haven't really watched anything with him - honestly even Terry is better and he is HOrriBle.. he kinda reminds me of Kais without the "gotcha" moments
Lol "I just showed you" mate you showed nothing. Waffling for almost 2 hours maan
Every humanbeing is born with sin nature,if babies are born sinless and pure than why must they be teached to do right!!
This was not a career ending debate. That guy was actually well versed in his studies of Quran and Hadith compared to the average Christian. He brought up very valid points and I’m curious to see the responses to some of those. I’m sick of these clickbait titles though
He goes around in circles and changes subject when he’s stuck. He doesn’t have a career 😒
If someone dictates to somebody to write something does it make the writer author, in this case the Qur'an.
1:12:00 yeah because he has original bible lol
I didn't count how many " I" he said , But someone for whom God Almighty the Creator of this huge universe had to kill himself as he could re-establish his relationship with him , he worth no more than an onion with few yelow layers !
59:45 noone can make me believe bible is gods word. numbers 31 one example
*John 8:54*
The early Christians were Jewish converts and they believed in monotheism not tri-theism..
Please please stop lying on these titles. An hour into this debate and nothing proper has been discussed. Its NOT a career ending debate. As Muslims you should not be dishonest for clikbait. Honestly this debate is useless. Not because Jordan isn't knowledgeable but because nothing of substance was established or discussed.
ok, quantum intanglement tough to grasp. We canot fully understand the infinite God fully. But does it mean that every non sense about God cannot be challenged ?.
The Bible is true as it has 66 authors 😂🤣
this christian kept comparing hadths to his bible/s
so the bible today is a fan fiction?
Jordan needs to go learn aqeedah before speaking about certain topics
You are absolutely right. He needs to learn more.
This deceitful man uses deflection tactics to veer away from the authorship of the Bible
47:00 basing it on evidence? nwhat evidence. bible written by nauthors nobody knows who they are
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Paperboy! You can't explain/defend trinity! Trinity is a big lie! If you put your salvation upon it, give us the proof from the bible or keep on deceiving yourself!
and still the dawah porpagandist can not answer the question....who wrote down the quran
Scribes.... Who else? I don't get you? Someone with a hand depending if they left or right handed, with a pen like object, pressing down but against whatever they could've used back then and they wrote.
Not like us who barely write nowadays and just type. There were many scribes of the prophet (saw)...
I might be able to name a few but I'm sure if you really interested and don't just want to hate on Muslims like I've seen in your comments, you will Probably find out and instead of trying to belittle Islam, learn something, even if you don't want to believe in it but don't try and learn something to break it down when logic is what keeps it standing upright and it has ALLAH on its side.What if you wrong about it?what if it is from GOD and here you have said everything bad about it?you don't want that on your record. Falsehood will perish brother and truth will Prevail.
@@bravesoul964 abdoool, the quran is a plagiarize corrupt copy of parts of the Bible. you nor any muslim can provide any substantial evidence to prove its authorship or authentication. I challenge you or any muslim to prove it.......please provide the evidence other wise shut up
😂😂This muslim guy studied the deceiving dawah script lies very well!!😂
This toilet paper is all over the place, xplain the trinity, which u can't.
Every humanbeing is born with sin nature,if babies are born sinless and pure than why must they be teached to do right!!