Have you noticed that the opening fight is the same with tav and vriska? It starts as one pointing to the other then thumbing down, Then the other holds a puppets head and slashes at the neck. The thing is the puppet ones lost.
also im pretty sure he realized it before his talk with dirk. probably on the meteor since there was so much time, and it seemed that he thought about it a lot based on what he said to dirk. as a plus, because he didn't realize bro was a shitty guardian when he was younger, it left room for idolization. considering the neglect bro had put him through, dave probably grew up for a want of approval from bro, which is where the idolization probably stemmed from.
bro was honestly the strongest of the anyone of the original cast qnd that was with his katana and no upgrades, imagine what bro would do if he started alchemizing stuff
Eidolon Bidadari He probably would cut Lord English in half. Stop the lil Cal timeline and kick Gamzee's ass! Because we all know Equis and Bro would be bestfriends:3 I even think Dirk or dad could help him love Dave
@@linkle4smash433 late comment, even if his weapons isn't alchemized it cost a zillion. And it's called the unbreakable katana, that thing is more powerful than a lot of alchemized weapons
Johns dad: throws a pie in johns face Roses mom: passive aggressively gives rose a beautiful pony Jades dog: teleports jade to places she doesnt want to go Daves bro: chucks daves ass down a flight of stairs
During the fight between jackdog, dirk, and davesprite, I really wanted dirk to look to davesprite's mastery of swordsmanship, his speed and power, and say: "Bro. I'm unironically proud of you" just, a little bit of redemption? something? anything to make his relationship with scratch-dirk healthier
Yeah. I think the reason you don't notice the first time around is because you already have to suspend your disbelief so much just to accept the premise of Homestuck. Right from the beginning you're shown things like Capchalogs that make no sense and are never explained but the character's act like it's normal so you stop questioning it. By the time you get to see Bro you've learned that this world works on different rules and since Dave thinks that his situation is normal so do we.
Despite the negative interpretation of the relationship the comic conveyed later in the story, Bro probably still really loved Dave in his own way and that strife was one last test to keep Dave on his toes before he had to face and burden the most cataclysmic sequence of events and responsibilities in his life. And perhaps even a sort of farewell as it's their last interaction.
Especially when you take into consideration how Dirk treated his friends as well. He tried to toughen up Jake constantly with beatings from and undefeatable robot.
It’s heavily implied that the original narrative of bro’s actions was him knowing sburb was on the cusp and because he’s literally adult dirk, his only proper way of protecting dave in his eyes was making him strong enough so doesnt have to worry about him. Yea Its fucked up but bro is a flawed anti-hero, with the philosophy of “The Path of hell was paved with good Intentions.”
@@presidentofthegalaxy784 I think their relationship being retconned to be outright abusive kind of jumped the shark. Considering John attacking his dad with a hammer over some mail was also treated as a completely mundane occurrence, Bro attacking Dave with swords just felt like the exaggerated Homestuck equivalent of sibling roughhousing/an older brother kicking their sibling's ass at a game. Not to imply he ever seemed like a particularly nice guy or anything. Early on it seemed more like their dynamic was going to be that of a younger sibling who idolized his older brother, and excused his shitty behavior as just being what "cool guys" do. I think Dave slowly realizing his brother was actually kind of a jerk/not as cool as he thought he was would've basically facilitated the same character arc for him anyway (As well as mirrored John's realizations about his father), so I always felt it was a bit dumb that they made it SO extreme. "Revealing" that Dave was actually living in fear of a genuine lunatic all his life just felt like a lazy way to invent drama for him and Dirk to hash out.
@Sweld549 i would almost agree, but remember. The apartment dave was in had no place to keep food. Kid was stashing stuff in his closet just to ensure he has some shit to drink and eat. Fridge was jammed with weapons, cooking utensils stuffed full of puppets, he was not having a good time with his "bro"
@@Roguerobin4 By normal standards, sure. However by normal standards pretty much everything the kids' guardians did would be considered pretty psychopathic. If John's dad doing unhinged stuff like plastering clowns all over his house or mass-producing cakes to force on his son is accepted as the goofy Homestuck equivalent to a dad's clumsy attempts to bond with his son, then it would make sense that Dave's bro is just a stereotypical deadbeat older sibling taken to a cartoonish extreme. In that context "There's no food in the fridge because its full of swords" reads less as "Dave is literally fighting to even feed himself" and more like "Bro's the type of asshole who'd go out and buy an armful of lunchables after Dave complained about them not having groceries". Basically I'm saying it's odd that the other guardians' crazier actions are handwaved as being an almost non-literal abstractions of normal behavior, but then suddenly everything Dave's bro did is treated as having been strictly literal with all the terrible implications that entails. It felt very jarring considering how much of those kind of elements are, by Hussie's own admission, written with the intention of being tongue in-cheek and not entirely representative of what's "actually" happening.
People said this was "played for laughs" but I always contrasted it with the previous strifes. John and dad were playing around, Rose was attention seeking, Dave actually gotten the stuffing beaten out of him.
@@bruh1322Their house had a power outage, the suicide threat wouldn't have worked and both Rose and her mom knew it. As far as the both of them were concerned, it was a harmless prank.
as an older bro and a younger bro me and my bros were always roughhousing, i always assumed this was just a played up version of that, like with Dad and Mom
@@07blackhand Big bro was the only parental figure Dave had, even if they're bros there's nothing normal about an adult beating the crap out of a kid like this.
SPOILERS!! At first, bro seemed like the coolest guy ever, I mean he literally split a meteor in half with a SWORD. But now that I've finished reading Homestuck, I realized that bro wasn't really as cool as we all thought. I feel most of it, however, wasn't entirely Bro's fault. As we see in the alpha timeline, dirk still isn't really the best out of them, (all of them have their problems). However, I think it was partly Lil' Cal's doing for why Bro was so abusive to dave. I mean, literally, it was part of Caliborn (who becomes Lord English) is inside Cal. and John giving Cal (or at least the dream one) to Bro when he creates them with ectobiology stuff means that he's had it all his life. That probably would mess someone up, having the soul of the evilest thing in the multiverse with you since birth. If I got anything wrong, *_please_* correct me so we can have a more accurate discussion. If you have anything to add, say it. just, please be kind and respectful when you say it.
Yknow, realizing that Bro grew up with basically the souls of Caliborn, Gamzee, and to a lesser extent, Dirk (ARquius) makes Bro make a lot of sense Assuming that the Cal Bro was given was already the 'cursed" one, it seems more of a miracle that bro didnt turn into a genocidal maniac
wouldn't Bro's shades protect against the puppet's influence? like if they're both wearing shades and Dave isn't showing signs of malevolence, I think something else could be at play. remember when Dirk said he could see how somebody like Bro could happen if Dirk were allowed to grow unchecked by outside sources (Dirk had his friend), Bro had nobody. Just himself, that puppet, some swords and a shitload of time before Dave arrives.
@@CosmosGatito I dunno, but IMO, I feel like Cal's interference didn't work on Dave cause he was scared of it. Bro seems loving toward Cal, while Dave tries to stay away from him. Maybe that's why he didn't get influenced. Just a headcanon
@@CosmosGatito You can't really say that considering they still lived in a normal america, normal world, before the meteors struck. Especially since Skaianet isn't canon.
You know that someone is strong if they can fight you using stop-motion animation. Also, Lil Cal is dabbing next to Bros corpse. Just wanted to ruin that moment for everyone.
I'm pretty sure he would still get destroyed. He used a blunt piece of shit to cut down a meteor, and slam said sword into the Beat Mesa, where only the Quills of Echidna (a DENIZEN) could scratch.
+Weird Caster Dave could totally win, albeit the fight would be somewhat close, Bro died to Bec noir in seconds with the help of Davesprite, Dave lasted a pretty long time against 2 bec blurs with 0 help, all on his own, I think Dave would totally win
I love how people still think everyone was happy at the beginning of homestuck. Dave wasn't. And not just because of his stoic demeanor, this kid was SUFFERING. There has always been pain in homestuck, whether blood was visible or not.
I don't think you've ever been abused especially by a parent. Don't ever say that to a kid who was abused irl. And I honestly think dave under exaggerates
He's 16 when he tells his story, going on 17 probably. And just because you experienced your awful situation doesn't make it anyone elses situation lesser. And dirk ABSOLUTELY is abusive. 100% Dirk even admits to being abusive so? And honestly sorry you experience what you have, I've gone through experiences of hell as well and I've learned that no one's experience is too little or too small. You can't use your experiences to belittle others, I say this not in context of a character but actual people. Dave was thrown down a flight of stairs and told to get back up and keep fighting, that's serious fucking shit. Also he's had 13 years of that. 13 years of abuse. We only see a day of it.
i think it's more of how precise. hitting hard with a sword would just pierce the shirt, striking precisely enough to simply damage the artwork is somethin else.
I feel like when in part 2 of dave's fight the music drops in quality and goes all fuzzy, it's as if to say dave's going numb to this. As if it's getting repetitive and he's used to this as a common occurence, a 30 year old man beating him into the ground :^(
I just realized- in Round 2, Bro points down and, in response, Dave threatens decapitation with a smuppet head he got from the microwave. Fast-forward to the post-scratch universe, and Dirk decapitates himself....... with a microwave.
Bro is easily one of the greatest supporting characters I've seen in media. His incredible strength, abilities, and amazing amount of respect and honor is astounding to say the least. Dave had a great guardian to teach him, and it shows flawlessly in his battle and character development. You did good, Bro. You did better than I could have imagined. And may you rest in peace.
“Honey! We have to leave there are meteors falling outside one could hit us!” “But... what about the striders they’re fighting on the roof again” “Serves them right if they get hit by a meteor, because of them I haven’t slept for a week over their noise”
Bro, and Dave use a combination of street fighting, various forms of martial arts, ninja skills, and general awesome cool guy fighting. The strifes w/ bro are by far the best in the series :D
cyberwolfy37 Only someone with power over space can teleport. As the Prince of Heart and Knight of Time, neither of them have the power to teleport. But Bro is a flash step puppeteer and he taught Dave the same moves. They just move really fast. That's different from teleportation, which is instantaneous.
That's the greatest question of this all, isn't it? Is Bro in the right for doing this to Dave, in the end? Is he doing this for some sick pleasure, or because he believes it is the right thing to do? Does he believe that Dave has a problem with escaping from conflicts that he can't avoid, or for learning about his place? I believe that Bro's character still did everything he did specifically for Dave. To him, Dave was his younger brother. He was the kid he needed to protect, even if that meant that he was sometimes harsh or even brutal to him. When he meets up with Davesprite, they resolve to fight Bec Noir together, even with the knowledge that they can only fight on equal footing. Perhaps Bro truly is abusive. But is that all there is to his character? Was Vriska running Tavros through all their was to her? (Speaking of abusive relationships....) I am the eldest brother of three boys. I helped my mom to raise the other two of them. Would I ever beat the ever living crap out of them with a sword and my elbows? No, I would not. But you know what I would do? I would make them realize that there is more to life then seeing things as we want to see them. I protect them, in many ways. Sometimes my ways are wrong. Sometimes I don't understand them. Sometimes they treat me wrongly as well. However, for all that, if I could teach them to have passion towards valuable things, to encourage them to stride towards something greater.. At the end of the day, Dave still wields a sword. He still finds Bro's dead body. He still wields Caldefwelch. And more than anything else, he knows he will never be the man his brother is. There are parts of me that I hope my brothers never adopt. Such is life.
Foam katanas/stick katanas or worse yet, simulated in Lego Star Wars, but yes. It happened. Conflict is part of human nature, and those of us who have endured the world's abuse and suffered from it do not want those we consider our brothers to be hurt from it in the same way... Perhaps.
I like to think this was a fight to see if Dave was ready for what was in store in the Medium, it makes sense if you think about it, roughing Dave up would toughen him up for the things that happen later on down the line, including against Jack.
i think there were a few reasons as to why Bro raised Dave like this. Lil Cal being one of them, Sburb being another, and Lord English being a really big one.
Bro requested for Dave to bring Lil Cal though. He left a note for Dave saying: "bro. roof. now. bring cal". This is seen in [S] Dave: Ascend to the highest top of the building.
Kyler Blake Even if he hadn't brought Lil Cal he still would have lost. Bro was at the top of his echeladder, while Dave was only a few rungs higher than everyone else at the time.
I like how you can just see a blur in the background which is Bro moving Cal . And when it slows down and you can see Bro using Cal to kick Dave, AWESOME.
I always had mixed feelings about Bro. He was a dick no getting around that, I saw it from the beginning. But I liked him as a character, and got upset when he died. Like when the villain gets defeated, but they were a really good villain.
But nah, Bro is awesome. I mean he litteratly saves Dave's ass (After kicking it) several times. Without him, neither Dave, nor Rose would have survived. And by that extension neither would have John, with the Pch00000ing to the denizen bullshit from Terezi, so then Jade wouldn't have survived. Bro just saved the alpha timeline. That's really all there is to say on the matter.
@Blaperile not really actually he may be dave's "father" but in reality john is EVERYONES father since john made ALL of them using slime. so for what its worth yes bro strider is indeed dave striders brother despite rasing john.
It's kinda sad that (theorized by dave) bro only raised dave as some sort of ultimate expression of psychopathic irony. I like to believe Dave was right in (again theorizing) that owning lil cal for so long drove bro insane (like a Harry Potter horcrux, which the comic references alot)
@@eleventhswag truth, probably just before the doc scratch part. I still think that's peak. Hussy stops himself from ruining homestuck long enough to actually explore something cool. Then cascade breaks new grounds. And page 1 of act 6 is noticeably worse on impact.
Guys, none of you bat an eyelid when you saw the "abuse" earlier in homestuck. BECAUSE ITS HOMESTUCK. John doesn't even know what putting something down is. All the kids didnt have names into their thirteenth birthday, because its a world designed to be funny and cool, not realistic.
that doesn't mean it can't have realistic themes, and dave's abuse was very much realistic. even if homestuck is mostly comedic, it goes into pretty deep ideas.
I've actually got a lil fanon theory that this isn't Dirk we're seeing raising Dave, but Lil Hal. Without the friends in the alpha timeline to show him how much of an asshole he was, he continued down the path of self-obsession and over efficiency. He's had those Lil Hal glasses on for so long he basically became the emotionless AI he created, losing any sense of empathy and only caring about making Dave stronger regardless of how much he was abusing the kid.
Everyone doesn't seem to realize that they're watching child abuse. Bro, a 30 year-old man, is beating up a child with not only a freak puppet but also with his bare hands. When he told Dave to come up to the roof and being Cal, Dave was going to get his daily beating. And when he slashes the Abscond command in half, he's basically saying that he can't leave until he's finished with him. But it's not like this comic ever touches on real world problems, right? Naw, Homestuck is all idealized situations that never could happen in the real world! Now let's go back to watching a kid get his ass beaten by someone he has zero chance against.
I literally typed up a damn near three paragraph explanation on all of this nonsense you're spouting before I realized...it's nonsense. You look at Homestuck, and it's nonsense. From what I understand these kids are in a videogame world where they're semi-infallible gods up against inane adversaries after being brought up by-and get this, because it confuses the shit out of me-themselves. Pretty sure it's self-harm. Blegh, 3am and all my common sense flies out the window.
StrayRaver Andrew Hussie himself said this. In the Homestuck books, when Dave and Bro strifed, he commented on how this is not a healthy relationship at all, and that a boy is getting beaten up by a man thrice his size. He even knew people would stay in denial about it.
StrayRaver Here's the exact quote from Homestuck Book 3: "In round two of Dave’s strife, he tries to escape from the relentless puppet pummeling, but bro slashes the ABSCOND command, just like he sliced all the other battle commands in round one. The message is clear. Dave can’t escape until he has been dealt the requisite daily helping of domestic abuse, wait I mean ninja training. What did I say there? Nothing. It was nothing. Homestuck is a lighthearted and funny cartoon dealing in highly abstract and stylized household situations, and nothing about it shall evoke the gritty realities experienced every day by real life victims of abuse. Now let’s watch this 30-something year old man pound the daylights out of his adopted 13 year old brother and biological son."
Form This Way Dave was prepared for the game because constantly fighting someone you can't beat helps you be able to fight against opponents that are less powerful. The adults are hinted in many places to know about the game. Bro did what he did so that Dave could defend himself. Bro never took it too far, just up to the point where Dave could be considered 'defeated' in honorable and open combat. This was a fight between unequal combatants for training purposes, not abuse.
Chameleonred5 It doesn't excuse his behavior. If John, incapable of wielding a sledgehammer in the beginning, was able to get through the game and end up the most powerful of everybody, then Dave didn't need it.
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*Sighs* Honey those kids are fighting on the roof again.
If you're up could you grab me a beer?
Andrew Pearson get your own beer and grab the popcorn this fights good!
YOUR PICTURE SUITS THAT PERFECTLY OH MY GOD!
Howls Moving Skitty, honey at least their music is awesome
"First the meteors now this? How am I supposed to get any sleep around here?"
I like how the literal end of the world is right around the corner, and guess what the Striders are doing?
that's the best time for a final fight with your bro. it doesn't get any more scenic than a city on fire and meteors bearing down on you mid-brawl.
omg dude when i found this comment it had 412 likes, gUESS WHAT I JUST CLICKED
@@ramdage8579 BHDJSJHEISJD YES THANK YOU
@@djkfork b l e s s e d
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Dad Egbert: Tries giving his son a cake
Bro Strider: Beat the shit out of this kid
Grandpa Harley: isn't even there
@@rockhistoria2537 he dead 💀
Rose’s mom: too drunk to do anything
@@chocolatepopsicle5834 bec: is bec
Bro Strider: """""ninja practice""""""
Bro beat Dave's ass so bad he cracked the record on his shirt.
XII
I KNOWWW
BAD TO THE BONE 💀💀💀⚰️⚰️⚰️
DAVE GOT HIS STUFF ABSOLOUTY ROCKEDD
Bro broke Dave's sword in half, and then Dave later returns the favor, if anyone has noticed
Have you noticed that the opening fight is the same with tav and vriska?
It starts as one pointing to the other then thumbing down,
Then the other holds a puppets head and slashes at the neck.
The thing is the puppet ones lost.
Hussie did it to Lord English too
It's like Homestuck code for "smackdown incoming"
dave somehow breaks an unbreakable katana
@@squiresnake welsh > anime apparently
@@jt0n The katana was touching Crowbar's crowbar which nullifies magical properties or something iirc.
first 7 years of HS: omg bro is so cool
after Dave talks to Dirk the first time: wtf i hate bro
#PrinceOfHeart!!!!
late reply, but: thats because he realized that bro was a pretty shitty guardian
also im pretty sure he realized it before his talk with dirk. probably on the meteor since there was so much time, and it seemed that he thought about it a lot based on what he said to dirk.
as a plus, because he didn't realize bro was a shitty guardian when he was younger, it left room for idolization. considering the neglect bro had put him through, dave probably grew up for a want of approval from bro, which is where the idolization probably stemmed from.
Emily Nguyen True
+Kaito Kumori dirk is a different person than bro so yes #PrinceOfHeart
Bro is on some dragon ball level shit with that afterimage technique
Yep
how did you manage to be fast enough to get that youtube name :O
you don't wanna know.
GiligamerMC He is just that fast.
The back ground is literally the dead zone too
That moment when you realize how much Bro kicked ass before he bit the dust.
bro was honestly the strongest of the anyone of the original cast qnd that was with his katana and no upgrades, imagine what bro would do if he started alchemizing stuff
.......Now that i think about it that would have made him overpowered as fuck.
Simple Sketch he's powerful enough to enter the medium without ANYONE noticing
Eidolon Bidadari
He probably would cut Lord English in half. Stop the lil Cal timeline and kick Gamzee's ass! Because we all know Equis and Bro would be bestfriends:3 I even think Dirk or dad could help him love Dave
@@linkle4smash433 late comment, even if his weapons isn't alchemized it cost a zillion. And it's called the unbreakable katana, that thing is more powerful than a lot of alchemized weapons
I enjoy how it's implied that Dave is just a normal dude and Bro's out here doing some Naruto stuff.
Johns dad: throws a pie in johns face
Roses mom: passive aggressively gives rose a beautiful pony
Jades dog: teleports jade to places she doesnt want to go
Daves bro: chucks daves ass down a flight of stairs
Grandpa: 💀
I WARNED YOU ABOUT STAIRS BRO!!!!
You cut off Dave falling down all these stairs.
Haha, I know, I cut it off because I thought the transition was much smoother this way.
someone should make a 10+ minute version of dave falling down stairs XD
ThEcAnDyCrAcKeR I warned him about stairs BRO I TOLD HIM DOG
+Alix Winters you can just go to strife round 3, the stair fall loops endlessly.
SWEET BRO AND *HELLA JEFF*
I remember feeling sorry for Dave having to deal with Bro's death, now I feel sorry for him having to deal with Bro
Well. Yes, but it is until you realize that Dave’s Bro grew up with the cal that was possessed by Caliborn, gamzee and the others.
@@kiraissecretlyapillarman3505 now i feel sorry for dave and dave's bro ;_;
During the fight between jackdog, dirk, and davesprite, I really wanted dirk to look to davesprite's mastery of swordsmanship, his speed and power, and say:
"Bro. I'm unironically proud of you"
just, a little bit of redemption? something? anything to make his relationship with scratch-dirk healthier
Dave: wtf bro? You could've killed me.
Dirk: Bro, whatever kills you makes you stronger.
Dude..... I read this comic when I was 14 and I didn't see it. I'm now 18 and ONLY NOW do I realize how fucked up this is....
Don't worry dude that was always kind of the point. Dave's entire character arc is Cerberus Syndrome incarnate
Yeah. I think the reason you don't notice the first time around is because you already have to suspend your disbelief so much just to accept the premise of Homestuck. Right from the beginning you're shown things like Capchalogs that make no sense and are never explained but the character's act like it's normal so you stop questioning it. By the time you get to see Bro you've learned that this world works on different rules and since Dave thinks that his situation is normal so do we.
Now you are 27
Despite the negative interpretation of the relationship the comic conveyed later in the story, Bro probably still really loved Dave in his own way and that strife was one last test to keep Dave on his toes before he had to face and burden the most cataclysmic sequence of events and responsibilities in his life. And perhaps even a sort of farewell as it's their last interaction.
Especially when you take into consideration how Dirk treated his friends as well. He tried to toughen up Jake constantly with beatings from and undefeatable robot.
It’s heavily implied that the original narrative of bro’s actions was him knowing sburb was on the cusp and because he’s literally adult dirk, his only proper way of protecting dave in his eyes was making him strong enough so doesnt have to worry about him. Yea Its fucked up but bro is a flawed anti-hero, with the philosophy of “The Path of hell was paved with good Intentions.”
@@presidentofthegalaxy784 I think their relationship being retconned to be outright abusive kind of jumped the shark. Considering John attacking his dad with a hammer over some mail was also treated as a completely mundane occurrence, Bro attacking Dave with swords just felt like the exaggerated Homestuck equivalent of sibling roughhousing/an older brother kicking their sibling's ass at a game.
Not to imply he ever seemed like a particularly nice guy or anything. Early on it seemed more like their dynamic was going to be that of a younger sibling who idolized his older brother, and excused his shitty behavior as just being what "cool guys" do. I think Dave slowly realizing his brother was actually kind of a jerk/not as cool as he thought he was would've basically facilitated the same character arc for him anyway (As well as mirrored John's realizations about his father), so I always felt it was a bit dumb that they made it SO extreme. "Revealing" that Dave was actually living in fear of a genuine lunatic all his life just felt like a lazy way to invent drama for him and Dirk to hash out.
@Sweld549 i would almost agree, but remember. The apartment dave was in had no place to keep food. Kid was stashing stuff in his closet just to ensure he has some shit to drink and eat. Fridge was jammed with weapons, cooking utensils stuffed full of puppets, he was not having a good time with his "bro"
@@Roguerobin4 By normal standards, sure. However by normal standards pretty much everything the kids' guardians did would be considered pretty psychopathic. If John's dad doing unhinged stuff like plastering clowns all over his house or mass-producing cakes to force on his son is accepted as the goofy Homestuck equivalent to a dad's clumsy attempts to bond with his son, then it would make sense that Dave's bro is just a stereotypical deadbeat older sibling taken to a cartoonish extreme. In that context "There's no food in the fridge because its full of swords" reads less as "Dave is literally fighting to even feed himself" and more like "Bro's the type of asshole who'd go out and buy an armful of lunchables after Dave complained about them not having groceries".
Basically I'm saying it's odd that the other guardians' crazier actions are handwaved as being an almost non-literal abstractions of normal behavior, but then suddenly everything Dave's bro did is treated as having been strictly literal with all the terrible implications that entails. It felt very jarring considering how much of those kind of elements are, by Hussie's own admission, written with the intention of being tongue in-cheek and not entirely representative of what's "actually" happening.
People said this was "played for laughs" but I always contrasted it with the previous strifes. John and dad were playing around, Rose was attention seeking, Dave actually gotten the stuffing beaten out of him.
I feel so sad now
jade was also just playing with bec
Rose tried to kill herself.
@@bruh1322Their house had a power outage, the suicide threat wouldn't have worked and both Rose and her mom knew it. As far as the both of them were concerned, it was a harmless prank.
as an older bro and a younger bro me and my bros were always roughhousing, i always assumed this was just a played up version of that, like with Dad and Mom
The fact that Dave thought it was normal for Bro to hit him hurts me...
He just didn't know better :'c
cry harder
@@SuperMistral99 cry better
And why it isn't normal
@@07blackhand Big bro was the only parental figure Dave had, even if they're bros there's nothing normal about an adult beating the crap out of a kid like this.
... they're both left handed in the beginning of the flash.
TURN WAYS SPRITE FLIP SHENANIGANS!
"Can't Abscond, Bro!"
My little brother knew what this meant before Homestuck even came out.
Child abuse has never looked so badass!
That sounds like that Mac line from Always Sunny:
"Whoa, suicide is badass!"
But it's badass!
Bro is an innovator, not a father figure
HEKP????
NO OMG 💀💀💀
SPOILERS!!
At first, bro seemed like the coolest guy ever, I mean he literally split a meteor in half with a SWORD.
But now that I've finished reading Homestuck, I realized that bro wasn't really as cool as we all thought. I feel most of it, however, wasn't entirely Bro's fault. As we see in the alpha timeline, dirk still isn't really the best out of them, (all of them have their problems). However, I think it was partly Lil' Cal's doing for why Bro was so abusive to dave. I mean, literally, it was part of Caliborn (who becomes Lord English) is inside Cal. and John giving Cal (or at least the dream one) to Bro when he creates them with ectobiology stuff means that he's had it all his life. That probably would mess someone up, having the soul of the evilest thing in the multiverse with you since birth.
If I got anything wrong, *_please_* correct me so we can have a more accurate discussion. If you have anything to add, say it. just, please be kind and respectful when you say it.
Yknow, realizing that Bro grew up with basically the souls of Caliborn, Gamzee, and to a lesser extent, Dirk (ARquius) makes Bro make a lot of sense
Assuming that the Cal Bro was given was already the 'cursed" one, it seems more of a miracle that bro didnt turn into a genocidal maniac
wouldn't Bro's shades protect against the puppet's influence? like if they're both wearing shades and Dave isn't showing signs of malevolence, I think something else could be at play. remember when Dirk said he could see how somebody like Bro could happen if Dirk were allowed to grow unchecked by outside sources (Dirk had his friend), Bro had nobody. Just himself, that puppet, some swords and a shitload of time before Dave arrives.
@@CosmosGatito I dunno, but IMO, I feel like Cal's interference didn't work on Dave cause he was scared of it. Bro seems loving toward Cal, while Dave tries to stay away from him. Maybe that's why he didn't get influenced. Just a headcanon
@@CosmosGatito You can't really say that considering they still lived in a normal america, normal world, before the meteors struck. Especially since Skaianet isn't canon.
You didnt have to uppercase sword you know (no offense)
You know that someone is strong if they can fight you using stop-motion animation.
Also, Lil Cal is dabbing next to Bros corpse.
Just wanted to ruin that moment for everyone.
I can no longer take Bro's death seriously... Thanks ;)
I hate you for telling me this
Caliborn dabs at the sight of bro dying
it's funny...Dave WAS so bad in comparison to bro at the beginning, whereas now he could kick bros ass
I'm pretty sure he would still get destroyed.
He used a blunt piece of shit to cut down a meteor, and slam said sword into the Beat Mesa, where only the Quills of Echidna (a DENIZEN) could scratch.
+Weird Caster Bro's sword is a juju. It's unbreakable, that how he could use the sword on the beat mesa.
+William Boysen it's still a blunt sword.
How do you damage anything with a blunt sword.
Weird Caster thought motherfucking shenanigans
+Weird Caster Dave could totally win, albeit the fight would be somewhat close, Bro died to Bec noir in seconds with the help of Davesprite, Dave lasted a pretty long time against 2 bec blurs with 0 help, all on his own, I think Dave would totally win
I love how people still think everyone was happy at the beginning of homestuck. Dave wasn't. And not just because of his stoic demeanor, this kid was SUFFERING. There has always been pain in homestuck, whether blood was visible or not.
Is Dave a domestic abuse victim? I can't tell.
+Edmond Castri Ah honey oh baby just keep reading son just keep reading oh child oh baby
+dadisfad I just finished. Dave seems to be over exaggerating.
I don't think you've ever been abused especially by a parent. Don't ever say that to a kid who was abused irl. And I honestly think dave under exaggerates
He's 16 when he tells his story, going on 17 probably. And just because you experienced your awful situation doesn't make it anyone elses situation lesser. And dirk ABSOLUTELY is abusive. 100% Dirk even admits to being abusive so? And honestly sorry you experience what you have, I've gone through experiences of hell as well and I've learned that no one's experience is too little or too small. You can't use your experiences to belittle others, I say this not in context of a character but actual people. Dave was thrown down a flight of stairs and told to get back up and keep fighting, that's serious fucking shit. Also he's had 13 years of that. 13 years of abuse. We only see a day of it.
It's really awesome until you consider Bro is wearing crocs
Sain ik this is like super duper late but he's not wearing crocs, he's wearing convers
Old lady bro: Those are my CROCS
HE IS !? 💀 LMAOOAOAOAO
I always saw it as converse but the idea of Bro sword fighting in crocs is my favorite thing ever
They are crocs now. It's canon. @@roastedcocoaa
2:11
What vague foreshadowing..
It's so infuriating seeing these knowing WHO is trapped in lil cal
What do Davesprite and Bro have in common?
Where they keep their swords.
What do Marco Bodt and Eridan have in common?
STOP IT
STOP NOW
STOP DONT SPEAK
Let's not forget what Mami, Dirk, Celty and Kaworu have in common.
U monster....
carcinoGeneticist H.S. original Jack survived the whole series along with Pm
That...Is not okay.
Years in the future (but not many) Dave manages to kick Bro's ass as well as Lord English's possession of Jack and Jack with LE's staff
How hard do you have to hit someone to break the artwork on their shirt?
i think it's more of how precise. hitting hard with a sword would just pierce the shirt, striking precisely enough to simply damage the artwork is somethin else.
sometimes i wonder how their neighbours reacted to se them on the roof
forestdeity probably "honey call the cops he is abusing that child again"
Bro Strider: Making child abuse badass since 1995
0:57 foreshadowing.
oH MY SHIT
Hoonnnk!!!!
Nicole Maj X2 remember the credits
your going to have to decapitate me
LMAO, I noticed that too! Crazy shit
so, bro is so skilled with the sword, that he can even cut the logo of a shirt....k
Mega Bichi wrong I AM SO SKILLED WITH THE SWORD THAT I CAN SHAVE MY BALLS WITH IT WITH OUT CUTING THEM OFF
Dirk Strider ... How does one practice such a thing without cutting them off xD? Or are you so amazing you didn't need practice o-O ?
-Face palm- You practice with a wooden sword -_-
But anyway i am so amazing that i don't need to practice.
I practice ironically ◥▶◀◤
***** Just an ironic comment
Dirk Strider
JuSt An IrOnIc rEsPoNsE
I surely see this different after reading the update... Poor Dave ;/
Watching this actually increases my depression because he didn't deserve this
I remembered laughing my ass off at "CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT" xDDD
Top 10 anime battels
Bro's got those mettaton EX legs going on
CAL, god damn you screw stuff up You caused Gamzee to go on rampage mode prob. caused true dirk to go insane, and Overall screwed everything up.
I love how it's just bro moving cal while moving at hyperspeed.
I feel like when in part 2 of dave's fight the music drops in quality and goes all fuzzy, it's as if to say dave's going numb to this. As if it's getting repetitive and he's used to this as a common occurence, a 30 year old man beating him into the ground :^(
Bro may be an abusive sack of shit, but he's a badass ninja abusive sack of shit.
+Superb Temminator (Rich historic supertem) *bro
Edmond Castri gonna edit that out. Don't say anything. Shhhhhhhhhhhh
+Superb Temminator (Rich historic supertem) gotcha 👍8^ y
+Lunnefisk that's just the converter dropping in quality. but your theory is still pretty neat anyway.
I just realized- in Round 2, Bro points down and, in response, Dave threatens decapitation with a smuppet head he got from the microwave.
Fast-forward to the post-scratch universe, and Dirk decapitates himself....... with a microwave.
dave then later decapitates him
CAN'T ABSCOND, BRO!
Bro is easily one of the greatest supporting characters I've seen in media. His incredible strength, abilities, and amazing amount of respect and honor is astounding to say the least. Dave had a great guardian to teach him, and it shows flawlessly in his battle and character development.
You did good, Bro. You did better than I could have imagined. And may you rest in peace.
Cosplaybuddygiraffes and he abused dave
Zbluenoob *sharp inhale*
I beg to differ pal
“Honey! We have to leave there are meteors falling outside one could hit us!”
“But... what about the striders they’re fighting on the roof again”
“Serves them right if they get hit by a meteor, because of them I haven’t slept for a week over their noise”
Bro, and Dave use a combination of street fighting, various forms of martial arts, ninja skills, and general awesome cool guy fighting. The strifes w/ bro are by far the best in the series :D
agreed
all member of the strider family know how to do flash step and teleportation in battle
cyberwolfy37
Only someone with power over space can teleport. As the Prince of Heart and Knight of Time, neither of them have the power to teleport. But Bro is a flash step puppeteer and he taught Dave the same moves. They just move really fast. That's different from teleportation, which is instantaneous.
Yerps
Oops. My bad.
I'm changing it now.
Bro and Dave
much abuse
very love
much Bro
Very Dave
..
yes
That's the greatest question of this all, isn't it?
Is Bro in the right for doing this to Dave, in the end? Is he doing this for some sick pleasure, or because he believes it is the right thing to do? Does he believe that Dave has a problem with escaping from conflicts that he can't avoid, or for learning about his place? I believe that Bro's character still did everything he did specifically for Dave. To him, Dave was his younger brother. He was the kid he needed to protect, even if that meant that he was sometimes harsh or even brutal to him. When he meets up with Davesprite, they resolve to fight Bec Noir together, even with the knowledge that they can only fight on equal footing. Perhaps Bro truly is abusive. But is that all there is to his character? Was Vriska running Tavros through all their was to her? (Speaking of abusive relationships....)
I am the eldest brother of three boys. I helped my mom to raise the other two of them. Would I ever beat the ever living crap out of them with a sword and my elbows? No, I would not. But you know what I would do? I would make them realize that there is more to life then seeing things as we want to see them. I protect them, in many ways. Sometimes my ways are wrong. Sometimes I don't understand them. Sometimes they treat me wrongly as well. However, for all that, if I could teach them to have passion towards valuable things, to encourage them to stride towards something greater.. At the end of the day, Dave still wields a sword. He still finds Bro's dead body. He still wields Caldefwelch. And more than anything else, he knows he will never be the man his brother is. There are parts of me that I hope my brothers never adopt. Such is life.
but that's what I did
beat the crap out of my two little brothers with katanas
Foam katanas/stick katanas or worse yet, simulated in Lego Star Wars, but yes. It happened. Conflict is part of human nature, and those of us who have endured the world's abuse and suffered from it do not want those we consider our brothers to be hurt from it in the same way... Perhaps.
jj12343211 it was his sick training method for The game
oh gog whenever i hear "descend" i always get goosebumps
bro:*beats the crap outta dave*
also bro:*flys away epicly*
I like to think this was a fight to see if Dave was ready for what was in store in the Medium, it makes sense if you think about it, roughing Dave up would toughen him up for the things that happen later on down the line, including against Jack.
i think there were a few reasons as to why Bro raised Dave like this. Lil Cal being one of them, Sburb being another, and Lord English being a really big one.
Ends with Lil Cal dabbing, classic
IM GETTING THE FEELS FROM THE START OF THIS OMG
2:10 I love how it shows his symbol shattered it's so
cool
I love how Bro puppets Lil Cal but when Dirk inherits Cal it turns out he's really a JuJu of terrible misfortune.
i think Dave shouldnt have took lil'cal to bro or his ass wouldnt have been kicked
Bro requested for Dave to bring Lil Cal though. He left a note for Dave saying: "bro. roof. now. bring cal". This is seen in [S] Dave: Ascend to the highest top of the building.
Blaperile But Dave has had the shit beat out of him his whole life for makeing that same mistake
Kyler Blake
Even if he hadn't brought Lil Cal he still would have lost. Bro was at the top of his echeladder, while Dave was only a few rungs higher than everyone else at the time.
well bro could like in the middle of the fight grab Cal sense he is so quick
Bro the goat brahhh
THE MUSIC IS AWESOME OKAY
.....~sobs in the feels corner~
causeican274 yeah poor dave
noone:
daves bro: * yeets child *
I WARNED YOU ABOUT THOSE STAIRS BRO
To think that this was the prototype to the final battle...
R.I.P. Bro. You were the best puppeteer I ever did see.
Bro is such an badass.
Sollux Captor Thanks B/
oh my god this didnt age well at all
@@waheey soooooooo... Are you gonna comment that same thing again and again in order to trigger homestuck's fan ? That's quite shitty dude
Gabriel P what?
I like how you can just see a blur in the background which is Bro moving Cal . And when it slows down and you can see Bro using Cal to kick Dave, AWESOME.
I always had mixed feelings about Bro. He was a dick no getting around that, I saw it from the beginning. But I liked him as a character, and got upset when he died. Like when the villain gets defeated, but they were a really good villain.
But nah, Bro is awesome. I mean he litteratly saves Dave's ass (After kicking it) several times. Without him, neither Dave, nor Rose would have survived. And by that extension neither would have John, with the Pch00000ing to the denizen bullshit from Terezi, so then Jade wouldn't have survived. Bro just saved the alpha timeline. That's really all there is to say on the matter.
sure, he helped the story progress, but he was by no means awesome. he still abused dave.
Literally me.
This was literally the first thing I saw from homeatuck
In 2021? That's what I like to see
Went outside and just saw this, man I hate living in Sesto San Giovanni
If Bro had a beat(like a weapon), his image would be a cool reference to OFF(the game), which came out before the homestuck comic.
@Blaperile not really actually he may be dave's "father" but in reality john is EVERYONES father since john made ALL of them using slime. so for what its worth yes bro strider is indeed dave striders brother despite rasing john.
Well, there goes my favorite character.
this explains middleschool. how.
also this is one hell of a mood in general
I realized today that Hussie probably based these strifes on the "sprite fight" videos that used to be so popular on Newgrounds
Still the most badass 3 round strife in homestuck.
It's kinda sad that (theorized by dave) bro only raised dave as some sort of ultimate expression of psychopathic irony. I like to believe Dave was right in (again theorizing) that owning lil cal for so long drove bro insane (like a Harry Potter horcrux, which the comic references alot)
im not gonna say Bro was in the right, but he did what he could, of what he know he could do, he still choose to save dave, and even die for him.
8 People couldn't handle how cool Dave Strider is.
God remember when Homestuck didn't suck shit.
It lowkey started sucking near cascade
@@eleventhswag truth, probably just before the doc scratch part. I still think that's peak. Hussy stops himself from ruining homestuck long enough to actually explore something cool.
Then cascade breaks new grounds. And page 1 of act 6 is noticeably worse on impact.
@@CraftyChicken91 caliborn was the only reason why i finished act 6
@@eleventhswag I started to enjoy shitting on it near the end.
And yes Caliborn is OUR GUY he hates Homestuck almost as much as I do.
read problem sleuth
@Nesaruful
It's like he heard Bro was just handing out asses, and he'd just suffered years of bitter ass famine.
Child abuse, as depicted by an anime fight scene.
The best, most alike to my personality fight scene I’ve ever witnessed
child abuse explained
Watching this really helps me appreciate just how badass Dirk is
1:31 woah wtf. is that like, a ghost?
Bro is too damn fast that he creates solid after images, he's basically at 2 places at the same time he's that fast
amazing video the BRO of dave is equaly awesome as he -w-
Average mexican father experience
I love bros fighting style for one reason.
that
puppet.
Isn’t Bro abusive due to Lil Cal or his influence on Bro? I don’t really know if it’s a theory or solid thing but I would figure otherwise.
Yeah, Lil Cal influenced and corrupted him to make him the piece of shit that he was.
@@tape2518 So originally it wasn’t his fault but kinda was cuz Bro/Dirk was like assuredly already a dick, right?
The way cal kicks dave ass is hilarious!!!!!
Jerry Booker also abusive!
Guys, none of you bat an eyelid when you saw the "abuse" earlier in homestuck. BECAUSE ITS HOMESTUCK. John doesn't even know what putting something down is. All the kids didnt have names into their thirteenth birthday, because its a world designed to be funny and cool, not realistic.
that doesn't mean it can't have realistic themes, and dave's abuse was very much realistic. even if homestuck is mostly comedic, it goes into pretty deep ideas.
Sick flashes, Bro & Dave are sick
Ok but Bro literally CUT A METEOR IN HALF AND GOT HIMSELF KILLED just to buy Dave some time don't say he didn't care about Dave
bro cared about dave, but his actions were still abusive.
Some fluid animation, looks cool.
I've actually got a lil fanon theory that this isn't Dirk we're seeing raising Dave, but Lil Hal. Without the friends in the alpha timeline to show him how much of an asshole he was, he continued down the path of self-obsession and over efficiency. He's had those Lil Hal glasses on for so long he basically became the emotionless AI he created, losing any sense of empathy and only caring about making Dave stronger regardless of how much he was abusing the kid.
I don’t think lil Hal literally exists but that’s still an interesting take
I can see bro being lil’ Hal in a metaphorical way
Better than most animations today.
Everyone doesn't seem to realize that they're watching child abuse. Bro, a 30 year-old man, is beating up a child with not only a freak puppet but also with his bare hands. When he told Dave to come up to the roof and being Cal, Dave was going to get his daily beating. And when he slashes the Abscond command in half, he's basically saying that he can't leave until he's finished with him. But it's not like this comic ever touches on real world problems, right? Naw, Homestuck is all idealized situations that never could happen in the real world! Now let's go back to watching a kid get his ass beaten by someone he has zero chance against.
I literally typed up a damn near three paragraph explanation on all of this nonsense you're spouting before I realized...it's nonsense. You look at Homestuck, and it's nonsense. From what I understand these kids are in a videogame world where they're semi-infallible gods up against inane adversaries after being brought up by-and get this, because it confuses the shit out of me-themselves.
Pretty sure it's self-harm.
Blegh, 3am and all my common sense flies out the window.
StrayRaver Andrew Hussie himself said this. In the Homestuck books, when Dave and Bro strifed, he commented on how this is not a healthy relationship at all, and that a boy is getting beaten up by a man thrice his size. He even knew people would stay in denial about it.
StrayRaver Here's the exact quote from Homestuck Book 3:
"In round two of Dave’s strife, he tries to escape from the relentless puppet pummeling, but bro slashes the ABSCOND command, just like he sliced all the other battle commands in round one. The message is clear. Dave can’t escape until he has been dealt the requisite daily helping of domestic abuse, wait I mean ninja training. What did I say there? Nothing. It was nothing. Homestuck is a lighthearted and funny cartoon dealing in highly abstract and stylized household situations, and nothing about it shall evoke the gritty realities experienced every day by real life victims of abuse. Now let’s watch this 30-something year old man pound the daylights out of his adopted 13 year old brother and biological son."
Form This Way Dave was prepared for the game because constantly fighting someone you can't beat helps you be able to fight against opponents that are less powerful. The adults are hinted in many places to know about the game. Bro did what he did so that Dave could defend himself. Bro never took it too far, just up to the point where Dave could be considered 'defeated' in honorable and open combat.
This was a fight between unequal combatants for training purposes, not abuse.
Chameleonred5 It doesn't excuse his behavior. If John, incapable of wielding a sledgehammer in the beginning, was able to get through the game and end up the most powerful of everybody, then Dave didn't need it.