Major Design Problems - FireMaple Star X2 Stove First Look
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This stove is a Disaster!
In this episode, I begin testing out the FireMaple Star X2 stove which proves itself to be poorly designed.
Wait until you see just how bad it is...
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FireMaple Star X2 Stove Preview :
BTU’s : 7500BTU
Claims : 1min 42sec per 0.5 liter
Fuel : The company recommends ISO-Butane canisters only. Pure propane is not recommended.
Full Weight : 1.3lbs with all of the components including the storage bag
Materials : Anodized Aluminum / Stainless Steel / Silicone / Copper
Colors : Black, Red, Green -
The designs is going to be different on each stove - there is another green version that features triangles on it which is quite different than this camo version.
Cost : $70
Versions : FireMaple has a number of different versions of this stove, the X1, X2, X3 and so on. Some are smaller in terms of capacity while others are larger. Some kits include lanterns, some include cutlery.
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Update : After my initial testing of this stove, I reached out to FireMaple and they stated that it was defective.
From there they sent me a new one but after some testing the performance is exactly the same.
In comparison to the Jetboil Minimo stove, the Minimo is faster at all types of boiling and rated for 1,500 BTU's less than the FireMaple. Interesting! Also, the Jetboil is much more fuel efficient.
I've shared my thoughts concerning this stove with FM and how they can improve it via some design changes and it is now up to them.
With the FM Sunflower stove/Heater that I shared a few months back, FM has stated that they will be improving the design of that product as well as it has some flaws.
- Luke
You reached out Fire Maple, received new stove and made retest in 3 hours? Bravo, such incredible speed
@@АлександрИванов-ю2ф8йclearly your clueless, do you have any idea how long a video like this takes to produce and edit? Clearly not,
He teleports the stove he got story's makes great content boo send me.your firemaples I really love to see for my self ty. I'm me
Hey how does the olympic fuel burn vs the premium brand fuels from msr or jet boil or gsi
@user-jj5bj6im8g the weather is different from last video😅He usually test the gear for months
I am a long time viewer of your channel but I’m beginning to question your ability to do proper reviews of items. I have a lot of the items that you review and there have been many that you are wayyyyyyyy off base on. Then you trash the product and the company.
You have a large following and are misleading them. Some of the things I see you saying don’t work or is dangerous etc, you totally didn’t even use the product correctly. Get it together man!! A lot of these people take you at your word.
After ten years with this channel, I'm seeing the same things.
I have this stove and it works amazingly. Far better than what you're claiming 😂 I'll time it myself and prove you're wrong
agreed!
Maybe it just didn't like the specific formulation of gas he was using. Also the fact that it's been cold as hell in Virginia lately, which is known to affect the performance of canister stoves. I suspect it may have been too cold to use that stove effectively without an inverted canister.
@@WardenWolfLuke is in North Carolina and said the temp was in the 50s with no wind.
Luke did a boil test with the kettle and in did not see him do the boil test with the cup that comes with the stove.
I understand that people often use other types of pots, pans, and skillets and I can see how the distance between the pot support can cause the longer boil times.
I hope he tests it head to head with the attached cup to the jet boil.
Two things I saw with this stove that I immediately didn't like is the swappable covers, those scream fire hazard to me, and the ignitor. Those things tend to break easy, especially when they are in the flames like that getting heated to high temperatures and then the sudden cooling they go through when shut off.
Great review Luke! I have a couple of friends who have purchased the jetboil and one of these maple stoves. I was not impressed with either one to be honest. Just seemed like too much to get up and running. I have a $15 pocket rocket butane from Amazon, that has worked well for over 4 years! Piezo igniter still kicks butt and I have had zero issues with it. It boils a cup of water quickly, and is cheap enough, that if it ever goes out on me, I can pick up another on the cheap.
I also have an OLD Coleman Peak 1 (Model 400A), that is pretty much bullet proof. Heavier than the standard iso-butane stoves, but, with a full tank of fuel, it will cook meals for a weekend trip.
Keep the reviews coming sir!!
Ive used both genuine jet boils and jetboil knockoffs, and I find the performance difference is negligible. Is the extra 30 seconds to get to the boil worth 100 dollars - not for what I use it for! This is the crux of the matter - does it do what you need it to or are you just buying a Jetboil for bragging rights ...?
I have a Jetboil from pretty early on and it still works great. Now if it fails me would I replace it with this stove? Yeah probably. Saving $100 is pretty huge and I'm not that impatient where waiting 6 minutes for my freeze dried meal to be ready vs 3 minutes is that big of a deal.
Save longer, get a jetboil, no problem. You get what you pay for
Bro i have loved your channel for years and never find you to "sensationalise" your reviews, however i think you were a hard on poor FM here. Even if you throw the poorly designed stand away the kit for those not able to pay for a "better" performance from jetboil or msr will still get a great inexpensive alternative to boil water to make drinks and reheat and rehydrate. I feel your " if ya only want to boil water, ya could make it work" comment, may stop people buying what huge numbers of people all over the world see as a very acceptable if inferior product for a fraction of the price. Take a look at the FM polaris i think you would rate it highly. I know ya wont mind a little constructive input, you are still at the top off what youbdo and how you do it, respect sir, God bless, 🙏 ( sam, Belfast Northern Ireland)
Wellll hedoes come across as cocky at times so probably
@@sam18a so you're his only subscriber?
Good informative video but i do have a question. I'm a wild camper with 50+ years experience with stoves and equipment. What is the modern obsession with time when it comes to boiling water?
In my time camping i have never once thought of a stove as bad because it took a while to boil water, in fact, if i had, i would never use my spirit stove again but in fact it's my favourite. Surely if a stove is well made and gets the job done then that is the important thing?
I guess its a symptom of this social media age where the equipment becomes more important than the activity.
If you're like me, then the scenery, wildlife and solitude is much more important than a few minutes of waiting.
I think the obsession is with fuel usage for an equivalent boil. If I was an ultralight distance hiker that might be an issue. For normal camping I don’t see the problem. It may be a wash with money saved on the stove being used to buy more fuel. Need more than two tests for sure.
Agree 100%. My only thought would be fuel consumption. If you enjoy using a stove like this, you might need to be prepared to have more fuel on hand, so the cost of use is higher even though the price of the stove is lower.
You're missing the point old timer. The reason people are more interested in fast boil times is because it means that less fuel is being used and the stove is more efficient. If you have to keep a stove on for longer, you're going through more fuel. Meaning that you'll need to pack extra canisters for longer trips, which means more weight in your pack.
@@steveturner3999
I think you are right but if i were going ultralight i wouldnt be choosing that set-up anyway.
Maybe I'm just an old dinosaur but sometimes i watch these review videos and ask myself how on earth did i survive with my old primus stove etc. We had to make do with whatever kit we could find locally, which was pretty basic. But somehow it all added to the adventure.
@@jeremymanning2132 We carried whatever was available and affordable. The pack weighed whatever it weighed when we were through loading everything. I wonder if some of these youngsters could have hung with us back in the day! LOL!
Hi Luke! I was excited to see you review something that I owned. I am concerned that maybe the X3 however is a bad model. I have the X2 that I bought in 2021. After watching your review, I couldn't help but think, "does mine really take 6 min to boil?" So, I just went and grabbed it. It's roughly 37°F where I live in KS. Started with very cold water, warm canister... it only took me 2½ min to boil .5L of water in the provided pot. This may be longer than Jetboil, but for the price ($70 then and now on Amazon) that's worth it to me. I'm thinking that it's probably not fair to condemn all of the models based off of your review of one of them. I love your channel and watching your adventures! Thanks for your time.
The pot stand works well with a frying pan. Try frying some bacon and eggs instead.
This! I guess the height of the stand helps to regulate the heat against a frying pan or pot for frying or reheating food, which would just burn if closer to the burner jet. Or the model reviewed is defective.
I agree. The stand is for a pan.
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I've owned the x2 for around a year now. So far it's been great for coffie, breakfast and cooking brats. Boiling two cups of water , around 2 mins . So for one person have nothing to complain about. It just works.
of course it works, it's been out for years and 99% of users never had complaints
I'm getting on average around 3.5 min for a liter boil. I love this thing. It does exactly what I needed. Shaving a minute or two does not make or break my day ;)
Do you cook bacon and that on it
For the next video, try having the two stoves side-by-side so we can see the difference in the fins. Do a boil test of the two stoves too!
So many videos lately are overly dramatic and seem very forced and contentious. A guy who can't even cook, trying to be the "expert", will tend to look like that.
The pot stand was meant for cooking ie a frying pan! If you want to boil water, use the pot that is provided.
Exactly
100%! What a boneheaded move.
Duh!
Agreed... The distance between the burner and the bottom of a frying pan when using that attachment is perfect, as it means that the burner doesn't cause a small hot spot in the middle of the frying pan and the heat spreads more evenly...
I can see your point depending on the frypan material (SS or Ti or aluminum) and the heat pattern gained by the raised height, but with an aluminum pan, which is not as prone to hotspots, why not just reduce the intensity of the heat with the gas adjustment control?
there are many online excellent reviews of this stove setup
i am quite surprised by your review
it seems to be the exception to all the others
You can’t always trust online reviews as many are generated by bots or otherwise written/paid for be the company. This is an issue on company websites and sites such as Amazon. Also many companies will remove negative reviews.
@@williamsovich8314It's the same with videobloggers. I wouldn't trust this review until I try the product myself. But I know many experienced hikers who use Firemaple products and are happy with them. All the while just the word "Jetboil" I haven't heard for a few years.
Honestly I think the problem with this is :
#1 Basis of analysis which seems to be systemic.
You all are judging by how fast not how fuel economic it is. You are acting like a two seater racecar is going to be equal to a station wagon or four door in a limited resource situation. It's not.
Ultimately how fast something boils water isn't really that important, most of us don't boil water in our kettles at home faster. Outside with limited resources I want the item that is safe, doesn't waste fuel, best fit in my kit, and the most comfortable for my purposes.
A little time making coffee or meal after physical effort is to be treasured. A bit of comfort and normalcy that crosses home, adventure and crisis if it can be had. While imo a fast boil isn't worth using up five times more fuel. That's just my opinion though.
This one gets a thumbs down 👎 .. I think that Luke has missed the bus on this one.
'Effective' vs 'Efficient' .. two completely different ball games. Gas Consumption per Boil is an important consideration and at times, this is lost on the Speed Freaks.
The Pot Stand is designed for a completely different application .. Cooking! One needs a different 'type of heat' in this case. Figure it out!
Also, factor in the price of the additions to the Jetboil to bring it up to the standard Fire Maple Spec and then compare prices. Then ('if' the Jetboil is proven to be more gas-efficient .. NOT to be confused with 'effective') calculate how many gas cartridges will have to be bought and used to offset the price difference and over what time period.
Similar to the fools who bought diesel-powered automobiles 'in order to save on fuel' (and there are many who had / have this in mind). Factor in the difference in price petrol vs diesel .. fuel consumption .. shorter service intervals and much higher repair costs for diesels, especially in the case of small capacity engines. A study by a respected Automotive Association showed that the average motorist, doing a 'standard average' number of kilometers per annum, would have to keep, run and service the vehicle for a ridiculous number of years (something like 50 years if I recall correctly) in order to offset the purchase price and service costs. Some saving!
I run my Gas Cooker on a lower, but sufficient to do the job, heat setting when boiling water. Yes, it takes me a little longer to get the boil, but my gas cartridge lasts longer per number of boils doing it this way.
I'm not into the 'how fast / how light / the latest / most innovative / whatever, King of the Mountain' Game. My gear is robust and does the job. Is what I could then / can now afford and is paid for. Probably not the lightest, but if it is needed on the outing, it goes with. Too heavy for my liking? Ajust accordingly or live with it.
Bullshit! I’ve had a FireMaple stove for 3+ years never fails to do the job and boiling water has never taken over 3mins. I paid all of $60.00 for FireMaple, JetBoils are overpriced pieces of crap.
well, your wife didn't use the pan support to boil water and neither should you.
If you want your igniter to work, don’t turn it on full blast! Just a little at a time until it lights.
I have the Firemaple Polaris model of this Jetboil knockoff. The Polaris has a regulated stove. I've never had a problem with mine. The pot support of the Polaris is much shorter, keeping your pot very close to the flame. I don't think their products are bad, but after owning some higher-end stoves, I won't go back to cheaper stuff unless I'm confident that it will perform well. Anyone looking for a less expensive Jetboil alternative should look at the Bulin BL100-B15 stove and 1.5 liter pot combo. It has several video reviews here on RUclips. I just bought that setup and it is far better than the Firemaple. In the reviews of the Bulin system, people are boiling 1 liter of water in less than 2 minutes. It is also way better for using your own large pots and skillets. Highly recommend you check it out!
2nd that on the Polaris model. Boiled full container, over 1 liter ,in about 3-4 min in 35 Deg ambient temperature with 12 mph winds. I have zero complaints
Guess I'll get the Polaris and try it out
I have the Polaris also . Great stove with its regulated gas output . Got the Bulin Bl100 B15. Great stove as well👍
That jetboil crap is $120 overpriced anyway
A SOTO Amicus and an HE pot ( mine is from Widesea) will accomplish this in a about a third of the time. More flexible and way better quality.
I use a Soto Windmaster and a Olicamp XTS pot. I use the 4 prong pot rest, but will likely swap to the 3 prong. I should be able to slip the 3 prong pot rest inside the heat exchanger fins to lock the system in better.
It’s not a perfect system, but it’s half the cost of a jetboil, and it does boil faster and use less fuel. The lid needs a small handle on top to make it easier to remove when water gets to a boil.
Hey Luke, thanks for the review. But I can’t understand why everybody’s in such a hurry to boil water. When I’m out in the woods, I’m out to relax and take my time and be laid-back, so it doesn’t matter how long it takes for water to boil for me. But you get what you pay for
It's a crude measure of fuel efficiency. The longer it takes to boil water, the more fuel it's burning to do it. That's why people care about it. Thing is, these stoves are notoriously poor performers in cold weather, regardless of who makes them. It was pretty cold that day if his choice of clothing is any indication and his water was probably cold, too, so a boil test in those conditions isn't going to match the factory test that's done in ideal conditions. He really ought to take it in the house and let it warm up and not try to boil ice cold water with it. The results will probably be much better.
Gotta be honest man. You are wrong on this one. This is highly rated and I’ve had mine for years. No issues. Same one you tested. lol. You’re only paying for the jet boil name.
Meh, I don't need immediate hot water. Can't imagine needing a boil within 2 minutes. My electric kettle does that. Pretty sure the pot was designed for the stove for boiling. That adapter is for frying pans.
I've had my FM for 3 years boil water in the pot provided, you know like jet boil. Boils in 3 minutes or less. Sorry Luke as you can tell by the comments you're just a hater on this one.
The title of this video changed while I was watching it.
Originally, this was referred to as a "disaster". I guess that was a bit overstated. No disaster occurred. It just performed poorly.
I would hardly call this "the worst", since one stove on this channel was tested and shown to be a major fire hazard.
If you mean the wood stove, it is now an Amazon Choice with a 4.3/5.0 rating. Luke doesn't have the influence he thinks he has. LOL
Gotta be drama
@@johngalt6929 That was likely the one. Hot embers falling out of the stove everywhere.
When you find an issue that can easily be resolved, you focus on it. The pan support doesn't have to be used to boil water. Your negative comments are exaggerated and the only issue was the one that you created.
If you have to resolve an issue or aka Gerry-rig it to bypass something proves his point!! I am sure we can all take a crappy product or a defective product and make it work. As far as exaggerating the issue "HE" is clearly pointing out a possible problem. Sounds like you might be on your knees for this company hence why you sound a bit butt hurt trying to prove him wrong or discredit him.. LOL Simple, buy the product or don't buy the product no one cares!! But try not to sound like a TROLL!!
How did he create that issue at all? Setting a pot on a support that's built to do that and having it fail isn't his issue.....that's the product.
Sorry to say, but the stove is very good! Vey pleased.
Hey Luke, I have the X3 and I really have not had any issues with it. The pot stand works great with their non stick skillet and I have made many meals that way. The fact that they include the pot stand is great because that is a separate purchase from Jetboil. I had many issues with the Jetboil stash that is why I sought this one out. I actually burned the top of my hand with the stash due to its lid coming off during a pour. Also, the boil times are subjective in my opinion because some folks don’t mind to wait. Again these, are just my opinions but you did ask us to comment. I am not saying this one is the best in the world, but I think I have lower expectations about it. LOL
Great first view though
Hi, What is it like for cooking fresh meat? I am confused as to what one to get! Thank you
@@LH-70 I’ve made a few ribeyes on it with a small frying pan and it does very well.
I also don't mind the wait. I find that the isobutane fuel seems to last a long time, I used a small can for an entire season and it's still got some juice. EDIT: I have the X3
Yeah, people get crazy with these wait times for water to boil. Thats the hole reason I camp. I have no time constraints. @@ZepHezR
I've had the same issue with stash lid detaching from the kettle. I contacted my local jetboil retailer for warranty and they sent me the minimo lid. I cut lil plastic parts off so it would fit and it won't come off after boilinh or pouring. I like the stash pot so i often use it with soto windmaster stove.
I have had one for over a year and it works fine for me. Granted, I usually use the included pot and not the raised accessory. You might want to get another model and give it a comparison.
Why would you want to boil water not within its original pot anyway. The additional stand is prefect as its for cooking meals not boiling water so you don't want it getting to hot. It's a very good stove for its price and excellent value
I liked the review but compared two stove as if its a race i found it stupid. This thing is more tham 100$ cheaper than the jetboil. I love my firemaple! Even if it boils water 2 minutes longer, who cares
That is what I was thinking, something was wrong with your stove, I have been using one for about six months and I can boil water in 1.5 minutes.. let us know if you retest it.. love your videos
I’m a little confused. Stay away from them, why? It boils water and the pot stand would work well for a camp skillet. Does it boil water in 1.5 minutes? No.
But, neither does the wood burning collapsible stove I have.
Mainly, if you’re looking it to work in the blink of an eye, you’re going to be disappointed. But, if you’re realistic about it taking a few minutes to raise cold water to a rolling boil, you should be just fine.
Materials and workmanship are all well within normal range of functioning for a backpack unit here.
At some point, we’re going to have to learn to temper our expectations a little bit.
Or so, those are just my thoughts anyway.
I own and use the Kovea knock off and do own a Jetboil and for the price difference I don't mind the few seconds extra boiling times - in South Africa the X2 is not available from Fire Maple so can not comment nut i do think their info and ratings on out put is no always correct. I have the MSR pocket rocket and Fire Maple knock off and they are way different in boiling times but the Fire Maple is more than half the cost, so for trips with guests, I supply the FM as they might not even notice the difference.
I used my fire maple stove multiple times. Even at 34f and it boiled my water quickly without issues. At the price offered. There’s absolutely nothing the jetboil has on it.
It will be OK for your drug of choice Luke, coffee,i here in Scotland we don't use fancy arsed stuff like this,
I don't have a dog in this fight. They're all too expensive! I use a cheap $10 Walmart stove.
Something wrong here either a canister issue or stove issue I’ve got this stove and it’s quicker than my jet boil boils very quickly so not a fair review and the channels trend more towards the dramatic not a great path to go down, I’ve followed channel for years but of late what’s with the drama ? My first thumbs down sorry Luke but something not right here 🤔
Luke seems to be just "dialing it in" over the last year. The "adventures" are now just plain lame and repetitive. The reviews seldom feature anything I would actually buy. I hope things improve but I'm watching other channels as a first choice now.
@@johngalt6929 me too the channel just isn’t what it once was I’d rather see Luke just getting out there enjoying the outdoors the kit is irrelevant let people ask if they want to know just miss him getting out with no agenda and enjoying himself since the channel changed to all about drama and reviews it’s just not the same it’s almost like Luke has lost his way or passion for getting out there like he used too, miss the old day adventures with him 🤔😢💔
It looks like the Fire Maple brand producs are hit and miss. I purchased the Saturn stove and the Fire lantern after your review. They are great products. The last three Fire Maple products you reviewed I wouldn't purchase especially the fire pit. Keep up the good work!
This review actually makes it more likely I'll try this stove. Good performance for the price imo....if used properly.
Fire maple is great for price and no reason to over pay for things fire maple going.fours years and counting here 😊
Take it back and exchange it for another. If it does the same thing, it's not worthy. Personally, I wouldn't be too quick to judge the X-1 or X-3 without trying them out first. I've seen others use the X-2 and it boiled 2 cups in under 2 minutes outside(not climate controlled). PaleoHikerMD did a review about a year ago, you should check it out. He's like you, BRUTALLY HONEST and he really knows his stoves. I think you happened to get a defective unit and should try again.
PaleoHikerMD X-2 review ruclips.net/video/RMWkakupvQY/видео.html
My glass is half full. I like the pot rest for cooking eggs
I can't believe you cut the test short without getting the number, just because you don't like a data point is not a reason to ignore it.
Gave up gas years ago - alcohol all the way!!!!
Bottoms up🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who wants to waste time boiling water? I am trying to get this camping thing over with ASAP. The sooner that water boils the sooner we can GTFO of the woods and get back indoors to our nice clean safe laboratory where everything happens PROMPTLY.
Imagine being so foolish as to take your time and enjoy the outdoors! Hurry up, slow poke!
I'm just curious
Do a side by side comparison
I think I would purchase the Firemaple rather then a Jetboil. Cooking times are really not something I care too much about. I still use my grandfathers 80 year old Coleman 3 burner stove while camping, and I know that that thing sucks in the BTU department.
Hello Luke. I have a FireMaple and like it. I have suggested it to others as I found it to be very well made. But, I have a preference for the Soto stoves that you have reviewed, and your reviews have convinced me that Soto is a superior product. Thank you for the great reviews, and keep well. Dave & The Girls
You do a good job. Suzzie does too. To test a system for comparison with specifications, it should be tested in a similar manner. Granted "real world" testing will be different but if you are going go compare items, it would be good to use the same conditions for all of the systems being tested.
No wind, also no sun so no need for your cool sun glasses.
Not a fair comparison - the amount of heat would have been better for frying. Use the pot that came with it to boil water.
Just remember, some people enjoy cooking real food. You should include frying an egg in your stove reviews. 😊
But the main purpose of this sort of design is to boil water.
@@SnowyAspenHills I understand most people now couldn't feed themselves without fast food, and with their cooking skills only manage to boil water with a little luck. I'm not opposed to boiling water for my coffee, but that is only part of a well rounded burner.
@@jaysonjones5527so what's a "well rounded burner"? Four gas rings and a 50 litre gas bottle? It's horses for courses, and this stove should really be used for boil in the bag type meals.
@@jaysonjones5527As pointed out this stove is marketed to boil water quickly and efficiently only. Some of the similar stoves actually have disclaimers that they are not intended to cook food. FWIW they started as backpacking “stoves” to use with dehydrated meals or MRE’s.
Excellent point.Maybe you yanks are just too deep into the coffee groove and want it in seconds ?
Real question is can people who say INERESTING do unbiased reviews since they forget T in INTERESTING
I have a near identical stove, the Companion Pro Nano X2, and it boils that amount of water in two minutes. I'm not sure why yours takes so long. A lot of reviews of these stoves I've seen online get far quicker boil times.
I've owned X2 for two year's now and done countless trips with it, never have had any problems and definitely better value for money than jetboil.
Never tried to boil water with that stove top, but works great for frying pan. Water boils very fast with the pot. Quality of it has been good. I do admit that jetboil can be a little more efficient and faster. But there are few jetboil in my camping group and in real use, I don't really see that big of difference.
I have orange X2 and it takes around 2.5 mins to boil 0.5l water...why not take out the jetboil and test them together under same condition, more objective right??
Can't figure out why he didn't use the pot that was designed for it instead of a kettle. Pretty sure that's why his times were off. He even talked about the heat sink in the beginning.
@@marcomcdowell8861 hes just an idiot 😂😂
Luke love your videos, I have one of the very small firemaple stoves but haven't used it enough to say if its good. I would venture to say testing a stove is far more than boil time. Maybe run the stove on a full small canister at full blast until empty so we can see run time giving us a better idea of efficiency. I would also prefer to see if the stove has good adjustability or just boils water. Thanks for all you do.
My brother and I both have a jet oil flash and they both took closer to what that maple fire took first thing in the morning in western Wyoming this weekend so roughly the same temps as what you experienced wherever you’re at.
Even when I was in the field for army training in Alaska I never once thought “damn, I wish this boiled water 3.2 minutes faster.”
Those differences are negligible especially at those price points. If you’re complaining about a couple of minutes, you’re too bougie to be camping/backpacking in the first place. If you’re in dire straits, chances are you’ve already shed the pack this was included in and if you didn’t, you’re not complaining about the 3-4 minutes it takes to boil water. So you mentioning those negligible differences and then saying you’re “100% agenda free.” Leads me to believe otherwise. Once my jetboil flash runs its course, I’d definitely save the 100+ dollars for the maple fire. With or without the added accessories.
I’ve got the same one and I have no problems boiling water in a reasonable time. It takes about 20 to 30 seconds longer than my buddy’s jetboil. With the huge price difference for me that’s a “win”. Also why would you use a kettle to boil water when you have the pot ? In my opinion the pot stand is for use with a frying pan in which it works very well. I think you struck out with this review. I would have liked to see a side by side comparison with a jetboil using the same fuel before saying don’t buy this stove. Just saying the jetboil is way better doesn’t cut it. Your channel is a gear review channel you should take the time to do it right.
I know this is old, but those baffles…I don’t think it matters too much how close to the middle they get. They aren’t really there to evenly disperse all heat. It’s just for the outside of the pot. When you have a flame under a pot, the heat is forced to the sides of the pot and then escapes. This can also make reaching over your pot dangerous, because intense heat from the flame can climb up the outside of the pot from underneath. These baffles catch that flame and heat, preventing it from climbing the outside walls of the pot, and redirect that energy back into the bottom of the pot. Since you have less heat loss from the bottom, water boils in a fraction of the time. I use just use an MSR pocket rocket, and a pot with the baffles on the bottom. I can boil 2 cups of water in less than 60 seconds
Normally love your videos Luke but you missed the point on this one. The pot stand is for cooking not for boiling water. Why did you not use the supplied container like all other reviews. That would have given a truer comparison with both Jetboil and other clones. I have not noticed any bias in your other videos but think in this one, for whatever reason, you wanted it to fail and create drama. Sorry to say it Luke but in my opinion you let yourself down in this "review"
I own an X2 and have for just over a year now. It works flawlessly and I think that waiting an extra 30 seconds, if that, for my water to boil is worth $100 to me. I was able to save that money and use it elsewhere in my gear setup rather than buy name brand just because it's name brand. I have tested and used a jetboil as well, not sure which one, and I like it but it's not worth the extra $100 at all. I value the review here but really, why would we spend an extra $100 on a piece of equipment to save ourselves 2 minutes at worst case scenario.
lol @ complaining about boiling a non-heat sink'd pot under 10 minutes? And the FMX2 taking barely a minute longer than the jetboil? You are too hardcore a princess for the knock-off obviously.
Dang Luke ! I have the same one, with a different name , called Striker . 16 oz water a minute and six seconds. The more you put in, it becomes 2 and 12 seconds. Also they give you an adapter to you propane.
Ahh yes....the Jetboil knockoff made from that rare earth material known as "chinesium". More cheaply mined....more cheaply manufactured....and utterly unsuited to it's design purpose. I learned LONG AGO that cheap products that fail or frustrate you are actually MORE expensive than their well made counterparts. Buyer beware.....
This is an extremely biased video. I happen to have both the Jetboil and the X2. The X2 performance is excellent for its price point, and it comes with additional extras, unlike the jetboil. Boiling times when using the pot are comparable. I use the pan attachment occasionally for scrambled eggs etc, and found no issues. Overall, the X2 offers much more for the money than jetboil.
I commented once already, but actually tested my Fire Maple just a short hour ago outside at 32 degrees F. Boiled two cups water for instant coffee which comes to 12oz in just under two minutes, close enough to say two minutes. Just cold, not as windy as when you tested yours. Then boiled two cups water at 16oz for some noodles. That did take longer at 2.5 to 3 minutes, and in the short time seen the fuel was already being effected by the temperature. I'm sure it's not the best, but the best for what I need. Good review giving someone something to think about. Look forward to more reviews, and some Winter camping ones since I find I hate the cold. Keep safe.
Ineffective burning means longer burn times, means having to carry more fuel/weight. Not much of an issue in my short trips outdoors. My X1 seems fine & drama free at a fraction of the Jet B*IL price. I prefer homemade cat stoves, Trangias or wood burning in ground trench fires with a folding grill at ground level. The Peoples' Republic of California has legislated all that as subversive acts by an enemy of the State, so the bargain priced Fire Maple X1 does fine for me.
Please try another one from fire maple, the petrel pot. It is a 600ml pot with heat exchanger, and it seams to be a great cheap option over the jetboil. Thank you so much for your work, I am from Brazil, it is super hard to get good gear hear, so before any purchases I always check your reviews.
After seeing the comments from owners of this stove, I would certainly own one. Due to wider reactions rather than this apparent review. Objectively, no reason why jet boil should be so expensive, when the fire maple has more to it and presumably also makes a profit. Both manufactured in China. Whilst you may not be able to use pure propane, expect you could use an isobutane propane blend, as per jet boil and most camping gas supplies. This has a higher calorific value than isobutane alone.
I really don’t see why people are so concerned about boil time. When your out enjoying the outdoors why be in a hurry. If you can’t wait five minutes for a boil then you should just stay home.
I have one of the original JetBoils but bought the Firemaple as a back up. The bloody JetBoil keeps going. So for backpacking I still use the JetBoil for overnighters and a Primus kit for longer trips. I always carry a small spirit stove as a back up. I have used the FireMaple for day fishing trips for brew ups and works fine. Not overly bothered about time to boil and is generally down to the temperature of the gas canister anyway. You get what you pay for. The FireMaple can simmer and cook at lower heat levels something the JetBoil is not designed to do. (Its in the name). BTW have you checked out any of the Primus system, pricey, but top quality and proven tech.
I just bought the Fire Maple Polaris about half an hour ago. Now I am wondering if I will have buyers remorse, still, can't afford a JetBoil.
Reading numerous comments about boil time I decided to put this in perspective for what I do each day, boil water for tea. So, on the kitchen stove using my normal stainless steel pan which fits the small burner added sixteen ounces of fresh 53 degree tap water, turned burner to high. Boil time to 212 degrees was 5:08. Next the microwave, glass bowl, fresh 53 degree tap water, boil time 4:15. So, to me the FireMaple is okay.
Many mention fuel usage. Yes longer boil times may increase fuel usage, more fuel usage equals more expense. There is another factor, burner efficiency. We have all seen videos where one burner's boil time was longer than another, yet its fuel usage was less and vis versa. Okay, run a burner efficiency test, begin by weighing the canister, boil water, make sure to use a timer and thermometer. When it reaches boil again weigh the canister. The difference in canister weight will show how much fuel was used, the efficiency of burner. Otherwise this fuel usage and boil time conundrum is nothing more than saber-rattling stirring up the community with much ado about nothing, thus a moot point. Truly, I never saw a hiker get their bobs in a wad over boil time, reviewers only, hum.
Do recall as we go up in altitude the boil time becomes shorter and boil temperature is decreased as well. Example, boil temperatures at sea level temp. would be 212F, 5,000 feet temp. 202 degrees, 10,000 feet 193 degrees. Also, as we go up in altitude and the temperature drops many butane cannisters will not work and isobutane canisters can become less efficient as well. Boiling point of butane is -2 degrees Celsius, (28.4 Fahrenheit) below that it cannot out-gas. Isobutane boiling point is -22.7 Celsius (10.94 Fahrenheit) is better than butane. Compare them to boiling temperature of propane is -42.04 Celsius (-43.672 Fahrenheit). Gasoline and the like will have a boil temperature -129 Celsius (-200 Fahrenheit). Thus in cold and higher altitudes I prefer a gasoline (as my Coleman 533) or propane burner.
Reading numerous comments about boil time I decided to put this in perspective for what I do each day, boil water for tea. So, on the kitchen stove using my normal stainless steel pan which fits the small burner added sixteen ounces of fresh 53 degree tap water, turned burner to high. Boil time to 212 degrees was 5:08. Next the microwave, glass bowl, fresh 53 degree tap water, boil time 4:15. So, to me the FireMaple is okay.
Many mention fuel usage. Yes longer boil times may increase fuel usage, more fuel usage equals more expense. There is another factor, burner efficiency. We have all seen videos where one burner's boil time was longer than another, yet its fuel usage was less and vis versa. Okay, run a burner efficiency test, begin by weighing the canister, boil water, make sure to use a timer and thermometer. When it reaches boil again weigh the canister. The difference in canister weight will show how much fuel was used, the efficiency of burner. Otherwise this fuel usage and boil time conundrum is nothing more than saber-rattling stirring up the community with much ado about nothing, thus a moot point. Truly, I never saw a hiker get their bobs in a wad over boil time, reviewers only, hum.
Do recall as we go up in altitude the boil time becomes shorter and boil temperature is decreased as well. Example, boil temperatures at sea level temp. would be 212F, reach 5,000 feet temp. 202 degrees, at 10,000 feet 193 degrees.
Boiling point of butane is -2 degrees Celsius, (28.4 Fahrenheit) below that it cannot out-gas. Isobutane boiling point is -22.7 Celsius (10.94 Fahrenheit) is better than butane. Compare them to boiling temperature of propane is -42.04 Celsius (-43.672 Fahrenheit). Gasoline will have a boil temperature -129 Celsius (-200 Fahrenheit). Thus in cold temperatures and higher altitudes I prefer a gasoline or Coleman fuel for my Coleman 533, or us a propane burner. Hope this helps you.
Misleading review. The cooking attachment is not flawed but rather designed to allow basic cooking without scorching a pot or pan.
Got my Jetboil Flash on clearance at Field & Stream for $49.95 several years ago. Always wanted one but couldn’t justify the price till it was on clearance. Crazy thing is it was back on the shelf at the full price two weeks later. Never had an issue with it. I bought the Fire Maple Saturn stove after seeing you use it in a previous video. I wanted a portable yet larger stove and so far it has been absolutely fantastic. No issues whatsoever. I have several small cheap stoves and so far none have actually given me any problems. I don’t use them weekly so they’re not overused for sure. I understand time and fuel conservation are big issues but it seems like the build quality of this stove is very well worth the price. I’d be curious to see what Fire Maple says.
Everyone who does this test will get different results, because not all water is the same. Your kitchen tap is very different from a mountain stream.
If you want to do a real test, start with ice cubes. That way EVERY test has the same starting point. No ice is colder than any other ice unless you are using ice for scientific experiments. A full container of ice on a measured amount of gas. Time that and get true results...if it even matters to you.
I've had my X2 for 3 years, have had it out in some really bad weather and it works fine. Not the fastest by any means but 500ml in about 3 to 4 minutes is quick enough for me. Works very well with the pan stand but I did find heat was concentrated in the middle so there was a bit of warping, which I solved with a ridged base pan.
Could you say it would be better for a slow cook style with the flame farther away? I have absolutely no idea or credentials, I’m deep diving into this stuff.
I have this stove and I've been satisfied with the performance as a "chimney-style" system like Jet Boil. While I haven't timed the boil time, it has been faster than my MSR Pocket Rocket; probably due to the efficiency. I haven't used it with a standard pot/pan and the separate stand. For my camping, I still think it was a good deal at $58.
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Isobutane canisters aren't cheap, and having to take multiple canisters on an adventure when you shouldnt have to isnt cool. It takes up space and adds weight to your pack. Put it another way, if you buy a car that gets 300 miles to the tank and after find it only gets 200, you're not going to be a happy camper. If im going to spend serious money just to boil water, I want want im paying for. Thats the point of this video. Thanks Luke and Susie . You're video's continue to be informative and inspirational.
this guy may not know why people buying knockoffs for cheaper price. Or he just want a precise racing gear to fulfill water boil racing spirit, not an affordable camping gear...
I've been using the Firemaple x2 for 3 years and I've had absolutely no issues with it. I've used with pans, pots, and different temperatures. I'd buy it 10 times over before dumping money into jetboils overpriced stoves. I love my firemaple!
I have the x3. Totally worth it. I would never pay for a jet boil and there's nothing in the market that give you this form factor.
I am very happy with the boiling time, whatever the btu rating is on the x3 or the jetboil.
If seems like you missed the point with price point. It makes it worth it for most people.
I've been warned? About an under-performing stove? Your taglines are increasingly over-dramatic and under-delivered. In particular your taglines suggesting extreme weather are over-stated and downright silly compared to the extreme conditions handled (without drama) on other YT channels I appreciate your unbiased gear reviews and the fact that you have no sponsors - that carries a lot of weight. But you need to tone down your over-dramatic taglines and perhaps browse other YT camping-related channels dealing with real weather extremes to keep your weather descriptions in check.
Poor company , u roll the dice when u order from them , i want get them to send me my saturn stove , this order has been going on since nov , buyer beware, u may lose your money , they have 2 warehouses here in usa and if u order u may get it fast , but if not in stock in USA , then it comes from china , thats what happened to me and they sent me a new tracking num , and i cant use it because u cant click on it , it does nothing , no place to copy paste either , done with firemaple
Just an idea, in order to verify a possible problem with the components , but i don't know how possible is it - due to compatibility ... :
1 Take the pot from FM X2 and use it on a jet-boil stove - see if there is a "pot" problem....
2 Take a jet-boil pot and use it over the FM X2 stove - to see if it's a stove problem
The Fire Maple Star X2 has more than one flaw. The other, more concerning and deadly flaw is the threading is not 100% true to the Isobutane canisters. The threading almost feels as though you are cross threading the burner into the canister. As a result, the value is actually compromised and causes the fuel tank to leak after you disassemble the burner from the fuel tank. I know this from experience. I actually wrote a review about it and then Fire Maple sent me another one in hopes to get the review removed. The problem still existed. Check for yourself. Luckily the foreign gas was detected in my camper and the alarms went off. Ever since that, I stopped trusting Fire Maple gas stoves. My life is more important than saving a few bucks.
On a side note, I'm pleased to see how honest your reviews have been. I say this because I've also seen your praises to this company at times too.
Keep up the good, honest work! It's the best way to sleep at night.
Hey Luke, what’s the rationale behind being disappointed in a name brand product, then buying a cheaper imitation of the same product? Personally, I would think to try a different stove design for my needs after being disappointed.. just thinking out loud
I've filled a titanium 1 Liter BOT half way and put it on a white box stove ($25) to boil faster than that....
In Colorado (high altitude)
During winter
Hi! I own this X2 system. At a temperature of 7 ° C, it took an average of 6 minutes to boil 1 liter. I consider this indicator acceptable, because I bought the system because of the high stability of the burner on unstable surfaces. For me, this is the most important criterion.
I have a fixed star 2, it takes just under 2 minutes to boil. I’m saving $100 so I’ll deal with any flaws. I have a review on my channel but there are plenty of honest reviews
been using an older fire maple set up for the last few years on all my adventures and never had issues and can boil water in less 2 minutes. and you need take in the consideration the thickness of your pot and if its a light weight pot. its never taken more then 2 minutes for me to boil or cook food on a pan. i feel it is worth it and rather spend 60 bucks then 180 bucks. but opinion may very
have the X1 and i can tell the flame seem to be way higher than on your video .. normally around 2 minutes it's already boiling ..
I can’t say what’s wrong in this video - either the burner is broken, or the author is inadequate... I myself and several of my close friends have been using the X2 system for several years. There were no negative reviews about it. For its price, this system gives excellent results. It’s unpleasant to see such a biased review claiming to be an expert opinion!!!