Mae misquotes Mother Aniseya when se talks about sacrifice with the Jedi, the actual quote was "Ascension is about walking through fear, is about sacrificing a part of yourself" not "Everyone must walk through fear, everybody must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny" this is one of many misunderstood elements the makes Sol jump to the rushed conclusion that the coven is evil. Most of his actions in this episode are dictated by fear and a misguided belief that he needs to protect these children from something he doesn't even try to understand.
The use of unreliable narrators and unreliable perspectives through this show has been solid. They haven’t done a lot of giving the audience an unreliable perspective, but they do a great job giving individual characters limited perspectives that cause them to fuck up.
If you look, Mother Aniseya didn't begin to enter Torbin's mind until Master Indara introduced him as her Padawan. So she knew he was the weakest mind to manipulate.
@@Omn1MediaAcolyte all-flashback episode 7 was very good. I liked the references to the hyperspace catastrophe that wiped out life on some planets; of which in the last episode Jedi master Vernestra has pain/nausea from traveling through hyperspace due to her strong connection to the force. The fact that Sol was an emotional Jedi like Dooku, Anakin and Quigon Jinn was seen in quite a big way. The turn of the plot, who is responsible for the death of the entire Clan of these Witches who follow the path of Bogan = Darkness in magic, they were quite similar to the Witches of the Sisterhood of the Night from Dathomir, where Darth Maul also comes from. The fights were great, the choreography was great and seeing two Jedi fight against a possessed Wookie Jedi was great. But most of all, normally, just like Mother Cora, I felt this emotional pain in my heart. When Sol killed her partner, co-mother of two children and the love of her life, mother Aniseya, in front of her eyes. The destruction reminded me of something similar to when the Jedi destroyed the entire planet of Korriban, where the original Sith race came from.
30:45 I think Master Indara forcing them out of Kelnacca's mind, caused their deaths. Not because she meant to kill them, but the dark side spells they used caused their deaths, once they were expelled against their will.
I guess the used the magic as a mental force then when Indara blocked them out the mental force Redirected at them full force and sense they weren’t expecting it they died
Thank you, Omni! 🌑 The "we must be sacrificed" misquote little 'Mae' relayed to 'Indara' and 'Sol' had a huge impact. They literally thought the girls would be sacrificed. 'Aniseya' actually said, "It is about sacrificing a *part* of ourselves". 🔸 I love how we got so many answers and still so much is yet to be revealed!
I think Sol fucking up royally made him even MORE of an interesting character to me. If he dies next episode, I understand. But I hope he survives so we can get more of him next season.
Agreed. I also felt this episode really changed my perspective of Mae and everything about her behaviors and actions that we’ve seen up until this point, makes total sense. I find her as a much more sympathetic and tragic character.
@@Ezracarr376 probably, yes. Only Disney has the real, raw viewership data, but the engagement metrics from Nielsen and from independent third party sources range from “good” to “excellent” in terms of viewership and engagement, so it’s very likely we get a season 2.
The show isn’t billed as a limited series the way many Star Wars shows have been, and Leslye Headland is already on record saying they have plans for what season 2 and beyond could be if they get greenlit. With all the metrics that matter looking pretty good, the chances are high.
Sol is a really good what if on if Qui Gon fucked up royally on tattooine. Torbin, no comment. Indara was the GOAT!!! Only one with a level head. Loved the episode
@@JBurnz001Man between this and your other comment, it really seems like you have the media literacy of a chewed piece of gum on the underside of a desk.
18:12 👀 The way Master Indara reached through (in order to "exorcise" Kelnacca) and extinguished 'em all witches, was some impressively lethal Force skill... 💀🔥
@@CarlLepeltier I don't know, I wonder if that was intended, on Indara's part. It seemed so odd to me, like perhaps she was not aware that severing the connection would end their lives? Perhaps a necessary cost to stop such a power to continue and/or for Kelnacca to remain a threat? It was all such swift nonverbal action I'm just still not completely sure what happened lol
@@archaelia I think it's more a statement on their magics, rather than the force. Darkside requires sacrifice for a lot of it's power, so, makes sense there's a drawback.
ok... theory/interpretation The Power of One = Either Light or Dark side alone The Power of Two = Light and Dark Side TOGETHER The Power of Many = All the gradient between light and dark
Until she decided to cover the whole thing while using the tragedy Osha suffered as reason to convince Sol. She was much of a fuck up as everyone else in this episode save for Osha.
Clearly mae may burning the book was intentional, but she realized what she was doing and the initial fire was an accident and she could not control it. I am now 100% sure the whole if I can’t have you, no one can was from osha’s point of view of what happened. Mae tried to put the fire out but she couldn’t and she ran to go get help. She didn’t leave her there to die but OSHA doesn’t get that.
Sol being so sure that he has a connection with osha is so funny because he can’t tell or feel the difference between them . I ignored it last episode and just thought he was grieving however he has done it before , it makes the whole situation that much more annoying. My theory is the twins will merge into one and sol will die
Well to be a little fair to him, Osha and Mae have the exact same force signature since they are basically just one person made into two. The only way to tell them apart of their outer appearance and personality.
@@ThunderCrey yeah I know that , that’s why sols behaviour pisses because they have no special connection. He would feel the same connection if mae was next to him . Qimir might be the only one who can feel the difference.
I feel like his inability to recognize the difference between them here answers one of my major quibbles with episode 6, where he was extremely perceptive and capable of reading people, but couldn't tell the difference between Mae and Osha, who was his former Padawan. The fact that he doesn't here and the findings about their consciousness splitting in two makes that feel a little more understandable.
Yeah it's basically everyones fault mostly Sol's though cause if he was thinking straight he would've allowed Indara to speak with the witches alone as for Torbin you can't really blame him cause he was still experiencing the effects of the spell I thought Indara killed them all and slicing yeah!
I was waiting for Indara to be revealed to be the reason behind the witches destruction..... but no! Turns out she was the most honorable of them all. Now I feel sad that she got dragged into all of this.
I don't think the witches died when she cleared them from Kelneccas mind. I believe they were just knocked out and the fire started by Mae was what actually killed them.
The way Sol -who's been the most negatively proactive of the four Jedi involved- is the only one who is still alive... And the way Koril -who's been the most negative influence among the Coven of Witches- is probably still alive (she disappeared and we did not see her since)... ... Clearly shows a dark vergence pushing its will forward. Then, there's The Twins, who are meant to play a pivotal role in all that, down the line. And there's Vernestra & The Stranger, who also have some "history"... This series radiates with a lot of intense dramatic energy ! Got the feeling this upcoming final episode is gonna offer some crazy dilemmas, dark stuffs, and very dramatic events !...
@@thejuansnow She said 'I will kill you' then saw the fire spreading and panicked. She tortured a living creature at the tree.... She's not a good egg.
Oh yeah, here’s another point. I don’t think came across too well, indara is the only Jedi master in this group. Sol and Kelnaca our regular Jedi. Torbin is a Padawan. So Sol may not actually have been sufficiently disciplined enough to warrant a Padawan.
Peak #StarWars ⭐ It is oh so breathtaking to see how Indara was the voice of reason all along, at every step of this chain of events she tried everything not to have this situation go badly. Every choice made or action taken turned the outcome we know into a reality... Osha's will to leave the Coven and join the Jedi Order, Mae's complete refusal of it, Aniseya pressuring Torbin and him rushing into action, Koril adding fuel to the fire, Sol killing Aniseya and choosing Osha over Mae... It would have been totally different if everyone had stayed in their place ; but it clearly looks like there was a superior will pulling these numerous strings... A.k.a. The Force. Now the next question is... Who is #TheStranger (probably a rogue or not so rogue dark disciple ?), and what is The Twins' fate or purpose in the grand scheme of things ? The way I see it is that there is a bigger power in place, a Sith Lord lurking in the shadows...
About Torbin, I think it's less his own guilt and more the effects of the possession staying in his mind, to the point he preferred to isolate and even kill himself to avoid harming anyone. In Ep 5, Yord and Osha talk about Qimir and the witches getting into your mind and staying there. Maybe it wasn't intentional for Torbin to be tormented forever, but it ended up being the case due to the witches dying and leaving him affected.
Sol was truly overreacting. The carefree children were out in the forest behaving normally, before an adult figure showed up warning the girls it's too dangerous to be out by themselves. What part of that interaction screamed HELP ME!!
@@thehacker4012 The Jedi academy should offer a course called First Contact 101. When confronting novel indigenous culture clash you don't fully understand, first suggestion is to "keep calm and carry on"... second suggestion, bring a goddamn towel.
When she snuck into the Fortress, he saw Koril being rough and treating the girls like warriors, forcing them to use the force. He could tell Osha wanted to leave. Then when he heard about the Ascension and it being a sacrifice, that basically solidified his fears. He formed an emotional attachment fast and misinterpreted things happening around him
@@CrossOutBryce Speaking of misinterpretations. It sure didn't help that Mae told the Jedi, "Mama said... everyone must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny."
28:30 man I don't really fault Sol for thinking Mother Aniseya was doing something to attack. She already showed she had the ability to take over the mind of a Jedi Padawan, why wouldn't he react to something he sees as a threat. She needed to tell them, hey I'm gonna BRB. I need to check on this Mae situation.
TBF if someone invaded your home (for a second time) with weapons, started making questions about your kids and then you realized one of your kids was in mortal danger, would you feel like you owed the trespasser any explanation on why you wanted to rush off and save your child?
But the thing is he shouldn’t have even been there in the first place. The High Council already told them to leave the girls alone, so he literally had zero right and authority to break into their home and try to take their children. So he is in the wrong bc he acted without knowing the whole story out of fear. Aniseya was just going to save Osha, but bc he has been prejudiced against them and their ways from the jump, he assumed the worst and straight up murdered her.
I like that they played Sol as sort of the wisest guy in the room for most of the show and then we finally see him here and he’s basically bat shit crazy. Just making wild assumptions left right and center, getting instantly obsessed with the idea of having this specific person as a Padawan, he’s a total disaster human and I’m here for it. I just wish the show had been better made so that this underlying concept could have shined.
I miss the days of 22 episode seasons. With longer seasons, they could have built the relationship between Osha and Sol more slowly and laid the groundwork for the misunderstanding and building tension throughout the whole season. My biggest criticism of the show is that they are trying to tell too many different stories for an 8-episode season of 30 to 40-minute episodes.
If I were a Sith Lord, I wouldn't miss the opportunity to corrupt a powerful Jedi Master Sol. Weakened by past guilt, Sol is highly likely to be captured by Quimir or fall to the Dark Side in the next episode.
ikr i loved the performance behind her bc at times in ep 3 she came off somewhat sinister but seeing her in full context just goes to show how great she was
@@allymofo2332I don't think she was in Episode 3. She even allowed her child to make a choice and get emotional because she wanted Osha to stay but she knows she has to let go. 😢
Was she tho there kids not adults they don’t know what they want 🤦🏽🤦🏽 Anakin mom let him go bc she wanted anakin to have better life then being a slave unlike here she was already too old and wasn’t a slave
With next week being the season finale, I was a little disappointed in the fact that didn't get some sort of clue as to how Qmir fits into this and how Mae met him. It was a nice episode, but didn't feel like a penultimate episode.
@lso8000 I'm not sure if they will. It may be another Asohka because they are already talking about season 2. The seventh episode answered some questions but raised some more, like why was Sol really a more stressed out and overdramatic Qui-gon?
Damn what a serie of fuck ups.🙃 Sol: let his prejudice over the coven bring the Jedi to meddle and investigate them.😐 Torbin: gets so afraid after being mind controlled than goes ballistic over the possibility of leaving the place using Osha and Mae as evidence of a vergence.😳 Toril: also goes ballistic. Inciting Mae to attack Osha and she was likely the one who put the fortress into self destruction mode. Her smile while she disappeared was most telling.😳 Aniseya: she was way too passive and lost control of both Mae and Torill, and the coven in the process. 😳 Mae: she did started a fire but lost control of it and she also incited the witches to fight.😲 Sol: fucks up again by confusing Aniseya's gesture as one of attacking while Torbin and Korill are facing each other.😨 Kelnacca: learns nothing from Torbin's failure and end up mind controlled. Forcing Torbin and Sol to hold their hits until Indara arrives to undo the mind control, killing the dozens of witches that were controlling him.😨 Indara: After being the voice of reason before and right after Sol finally comes to his senses she decides the best course of action is to hide the evidence and use Osha as a excuse?😨 And Let's not forget that Toril likely rescued Mae and led her to her revenge path with the Sith Qmir. After all there was no one else on the planet.😱
From what it showed, Aniseya was trying to shadow-teleport Mae away to safety.... but because Sol saw Mae was slowly disintegrating he thought she as gonna die so like anyone who would've done, he reacted. Then when it came to Mae and Osha, as bad as it was, he had to make a choice, he couldn't save both of them so he had to save one of them. Sol got attached and costed him
I haven't gone back to hear the exact quote, but when Sol talks about his own early childhood it sounded as if he felt unsafe there. I think he's projecting big time (and maybe picking up that Osha's unhappy, which is not the same thing as unsafe) and letting fear and concern blind him to Indara's really sound advice.
Older Torbin was trying to convince or ease his conscience about his part in those deaths by saying (we thought we were doing the right thing). No. He had separation anxiety for home and it was escalating (worse than Anikan when he left his mom behind). He was weak, and was willing to disobey his own Jedi master in order to do what it took to kidnap those girls...mostly Osha, and go home. So, I see why he ended his painful guilt by drinking the poison. Indara told Sol to stop Torbin, instead he went against her order as well and chose to go take them. Sol said he came there in a diplomatic way, but how can that not be a lie, when a few moments ago, outside, he made his decision that he was taking them. He didn't bother to hear context when listening in, using the force. He heard Mae say those last words to Osha and immediately went into panic mode and jumped to conclusion. The whole episode he kept using the words "I fear." How did both he and Torbin make it that far in their Jedi journey without any of the members of the Council sensing their fear weakness and terminate them from the order? Sol made it to a Jedi master status but did not get a Padawan until many years later, there's more to that story, and I think maybe it comes from his experiences as a child taken by the Jedi at 4. His emotions were so eradic that he couldn't distinguish that Mae was not Osha when she came in the room asking for help. As children, they were easier to tell apart, but in his panicked state he couldn't focus. He didn't use the force to guide his steps into assessing the situation when he let his fear take over and killed their mother, instead of using the force to wait and see her intention. This is why he didn't fight back with Koril. He knew he was wrong. I also think that the mother Aniseya was just trying to remove Mae from the room for possible danger, and he attacked. Maybe because of the energies of the two mothers, the child was split into two minded beings. Koril comes from the hostile race that Darth Maul came from. And Aniseya seemed to be more balanced in her nature. When Indara was using her Jedi force to push the coven out of Kelnacca's mind I saw her neck quickly tilt to one side, and theirs all did at the same time too. It looked like she used the force to snap their necks, imo. Maybe once Aniseya died Koril became next in line to have the power over the coven, and used her strong ability to sway over the minds of the coven to attack. There are onion layers to peel back here, imo. So many details left to figure out. Hopefully there are more seasons. It seems from the earlier episode with Kelnacca's home having the markings on the wall, he had been studying their ways to understand how their magic worked. I wanted to know exactly why he was looking into it. Was it guilt, was it because he wanted a way to fortify his mind from ever being compromised again, was it that the symbols were burned into his mind from the spell when they used the force and he had to draw them to just get the images out..and on the wall was just a reminder of his moment of weakness? I don't think Mae would have survived if she tried to go kill him. He was pretty powerful, even without using the force or a saber. I am wondering if maybe Quirin saw weakness in Sol when perhaps Sol was a padawan and they came to Quirin's family to collect potentials. That got me remembering the little girl in Sol's class who could see parts of the events of that day, when she was channeling the force. Maybe she saw parts of his guilt in his mind. He did look concerned when he heard her say what she saw.
The show has interesting ideas, characters, solid performances, incredible fights and I love the era it's set in. But the pacing is weird for almost every episode aside from maybe 1 and 5. I think a re-edit of this show would vastly improve it.
I agree particularly with Day/Night. If they trimmed down day and just merged it with Night and made it a longer episode that would have helped. Some minor scenes could have been cut as they didn’t advance the plot. I also think what would have made things better if they released all the episodes at once like Visions so I can be viewed in one sitting. Cause the back half does make the front portion more likable.
I know this is a really abstract thought, but I kind of wonder if Qimir is somehow involved in the chaos behind the divides of both parties in this whole thing. Perhaps being more tuned into the dark side he sensed their creation and came and found Mae at the tree way before the jedi were there, and his presence effected the Jedi unknowingly and he slowly influenced Mae who was more naturally aligned with the corruption of the dark side?
What tipped the balance was the invasion of privacy by Sol and the Padawan. The council told them to leave the girls alone, wise decision. Jedi don't always know how to emotionally relate to the rest of us that are emotional beings.
I feel like it was a Thrawn situation, the Twins were supposed to get to a place where they could be powerful enough to protect the coven from interlopers like the Jedi similisr to Thrawn joining the Empire to protect his people from them. Thry didnt count on Osha wanting to leave and Mother A letting her go. Just my 2 cents
First off, I love how this story portrayed both the Jedi and the witches as fallible individuals both doing what they believed was the right call. I also like how Indara was the Jedi voice of reason in the same way Mother Aniseya was for the Coven. Mother Koril was clearly doing what she wanted, but I'm not so sure that the same is true for Sol. To be honest, I think he was inadvertently coerced. Why was Osha outside the compound under the Bunta tree? Because her connection to the Force is deficient, and because she seeks to receive praise like Mae does? We saw how Mother Koril and Aniseya are around Mae when she shows off her ability to use the Force. Osha isn't on Mae's level, but she should be, as she and Mae are identical in every way. Osha was under the Bunta tree because she wanted hoped to establish a stronger connection to the Thread in private. She didn't want her overbearing Mother telling her what she was doing wrong, and she didn't want Mae around to show her up. This episode made me see Osha and Mae's interaction differently the second time around. When we first saw it, we were made to think that Mae was the bad child with evil tendencies, but that wasn't the case at all. Mae's just a sister, a loving sister who can't stand being apart from her twin. "Let it go Mae. Stop! Why do you always have to do things like that?" --Osha to Mae "Why do you always have to run off alone? --Mae to Osha I don't think Mae was trying to hurt the creature at all. Mae was in the moment, focused on the task at hand. I think that she was just trying to show Osha how to do what she was doing better. 12:07: this conversation reminds us of Osha and Mae's importance to the coven as well as Osha's deficient connection to the Force. A witch named Rane argued, "She is a child. The girl has yet to realize the power that she holds," when explaining why she felt Osha couldn't leave. I found it odd that none of them referred to Osha by name, was she just a thing to the others? "Some call it a Force and claim to use it. But we know the Thread is not a power you wield. Pull the Thread. Change everything. It ties you to your destiny (while touching Mae's shoulder). It binds you to others (while touching Osha's shoulder)." --Mother Aniseya If the thread isn't something you wield, why does the Coven want to use Osha to their ends? I understand how important Mae and Osha were to their future, but this coven clearly hoped to use the twins to their benefit. The Coven was as hypocritical as the Jedi they were calling out. Both Mae and Osha were being groomed to someday lead the coven, so they learned to do what all the other witches knew how to do. Mae has a natural connection to the Thread and can use it with ease. Osha's connection is a tenuous one. Last episode, Osha explained to Qimir why she wasn't a Jedi; she failed. She couldn't use the Force their way. After hearing Osha out, Qimir explained that there are other ways to connect to the Force, the path to the Dark Side. Osha might have inadvertently tapped into the Dark Side back on Brendok the day Mae showed her up for the last time. The argument they had under the Bunta tree gradually intensified. When Mae tried to look at the picture Osha was drawing in her book (the Jedi emblem), Osha got pissed again--how did Osha know what the Jedi symbol looked like? Sol likely left the compound around this time to report what he found to Indara and the others--did Osha reach out in the Force and touch Sol's mind, sort of like how Mother Aniseya did to Torbin? If so, that would explain why Sol was so different from the person he was when the episode started, and why he knew how Osha felt. This might also explain the Mother Aniseya quote a few lines up--she said those lines sort of like she already knew what was about to happen. What sucks about all of this is, Mae has a complete picture of what happened on Brendok 16 years ago. Osha won't have that. I suspect Qimir's helmet will allow Osha to recall what she heard on the Jedi ship while unconscious, and that's not good! That story Indara told wasn't the full story, but one that implicates the Jedi behind everything that went wrong that night. Yikes! Was Osha always the bad child, while Mae was the good one? When all is said and done, Mae or Osha probably won't survive the finale. I think it's time these two became one, the person they were always meant to be. Who is that person? The Thread was pulled 16 years ago, but which part of the thread will remain? The good half, the bad, or something new? I guess we'll find out in a couple of days.
The way they are made with the black magic substance like marok and the inquisitor killed by Ashoka (was green but the same ). I believe the twin are the résurrection of a unique girl who died in the past.
I’m on the same page about how they didn’t do a planet wide sweep first before going to the surface. Seriously, no scan first? I like this show, but they make it hard. There is great stuff here that with a different style this could have been great.
Indeed that is what I thought of too. Maybe from orbit they just saw an abandoned facility from before the hyperspace disaster 100 years ago. But the witches somehow have the ability to mask their lifeforce against scans, like hogwarts is to muggles when they come across it.
With an experience show runner it could have been good.. but they got ole “fake it til you make it” Leslye who’s admitted she doesn’t know what she’s doing
I still feel like there is more to this event than we are seeing. That fire spread WAY too fast to be the result of Mae setting fire to Osha's drawing book alone. I have a feeling that Qimir is somehow connected to all of it. He told Osha that he was a Jedi "a very long time ago", and we know that the Dark Side can be utilized to mask someone's age.
It was a severe electrical fire. The lamp that Mae grabs has some kind of fuel within it, when she tosses it to the ground and then the book as well, the fuel has leaked all over the floor in front of the door and ignites the side panels, creating a runaway fire that consumes the internals of the door. Since that entire structure was built as a mine there is a facility-level backbone of circuitry and controls, extremely old, it is all interconnected to the main power banks, and once that fire started absolutely no one worked to put any of it out. Electrical fires as a class, left unchecked, are one of the most dangerous and hard to control. I had a similar thought to yours too once the first explosions happened in the upper structure in the wide shot, but the series makes great effort to show the fuel from the lamp igniting and spreading the fire very quickly to the electronics, and once I realized that it made perfect sense. Qimir's manipulations and lies by omission are no doubt at work, but I believe his involvement is more distant, like discovering the vergence, then setting the coven up with it, and then bounced for 16 years
One more thing. Why did Sol try to hold up both sides of the bridge instead of using his force to levitate both girls over to him? That would have taken less energy out of him, imo.
I think I'm actually ok if we don't get explanations of what the coven was doing, what that mind control thing was, why they passed out when they were expelled from Kelnacca's head, etc because thematically, it's super impactful that we as the audience don't know because the Jedi didn't care to learn. We just lost so much knowledge and an entire culture because of the self-righteous ignorance of the Jedi who didn't bother to understand the coven, and so now we as the audience are denied that as well. They're all dead. They can't defend themselves, so we'll never know (unless Korril survived and shows back up to tell us) and I think thematically, that's the idea the show is going for. It's very focused on the 'from a certain point of view' and if you kill one of the POVs off, then you forever lose that perspective.
I think this episode might be my favorite one so far. I’ve really enjoyed the show since the beginning, but I do agree that episode 5 and onward are better then the first half. I liked that it wasn’t just the Jedi’s fault and the blame can be placed on people from both parties. Torbin just blames himself because if he didn’t rush off then Sol wouldn’t have gone after him and then they wouldn’t have started anything. Sol was trying to do good in his eyes and it ended in tragedy.
I think everything the coven did to the jedi was justified. They were outside of their jurisdiction, defied the council, and broke into the covens’ home twice. Eff intentions, they were in the wrong.
We know that Qimir desires a Padawan, and if he knew these girls had that much power in them, that's exactly the kind of Padawan he might want. Maybe the whole danger around the girls that Sol sensed was just Qimir. He could have taken advantage of the mistakes the Jedi made. Realistically, he could have just stood by and then grabbed a padawan falling from the sky. Or he could have thrown wood on the fire, the explosions were quite numerous, at one point exploding all over the place. When Sol confronted Qimir in episode 5, we know he sensed something familiar. Perhaps Qimir is not connected to the Order, at least when Sol was there, but he felt the same danger as he did on Brendok.
It didn’t hit me until now, Torbin because he was mind manipulated by Reverend mother his desire to go home is uncontrolled so first chance he sees that he can use it to fulfill his desire to go home. He’s running off without thinking. That was a great move by mother aniseya
I wonder if what osha wanted was unintentionally manipulating sol's thoughts. It seems like the witches can manipulate the mind and maybe because she didn't want to be a witch so badly she accidentally tapped into Sol
I’ve said this elsewhere, but Sol’s bizarre, empathic impediment is throwing me off. How did he advance beyond being a Padawan with this issue? For example: taking Torbin, Osha, even Mae’s feelings as his own, and acting upon them.
I'm liking this.... Kelnacca being violently puppeted like that was just terrifying...extremely well done. I wouldn't want any of that action. ~I do recall Mando telling Mythrol to *slice* the mechanics in Season 2.~ There's a LOT of guilt in this show. Guilt, regret, maybe even shame. Next week had better come through to answer more questions. I don't need ALL answered, because there may be a 2nd season. So, yeah...I'm really liking this!
No idea what happens now but my secret hope is that Sol gets kicked out of the Jedi and the season ends with him knocking on Qimir's door. Hes obviously a flawed Jedi driven by emotion. He'd make a perfect Acolyte.
This was definitely one of the episodes of all time.😅 Just a few questions I would really like to ask the writers: Why would Torbin go back and get 'evidence' when all the evidence he needs is in the device that they used to analyze the blood samples? Why not just send the results instead? Also why would the mother start screaming and start doing her magic only for Sol to kill her thinking she's attacking Mae? She could've just told him she was gonna let Osha go BEFORE she did the magic mist thing so there's no confusion. Also, how the fuck did Sol get attached to Osha so quickly? He's only seen her or even known of her existence for a few hours at most. I guess the characters are only as smart as the person writing them.
Is one of the mother's the Vergence? Like Anakin was. Which means he had Darth Plageuis powers before going to Palpatine but the Jedi failed to teach him because it's considered dark side
I have a theory that connect the prequels, the acolyte and and the sequels. So in the prequels we know Palpatine influenced Anakin's thoughts about envisioning Padme dying by giving him visions through fear. We see how Aniseya really feels about Osha/Mae however Sol starts feeling afraid something wrong is happening like you stated you wondered if they were in her head but I think it is bigger. I think possibly we will find out Darth Plagueis has been influencing the feelings of Sol in this sequence as well as manipulating the fear in Qimir's master. I had this theory similar when Last Jedi came out that Snoke is Darth Plagueis and influenced Luke to think Ben is turning to the Dark Side to get him to turn. So i wonder if there is merit to this after this episode with Sol being paranoid about Osha/Mae and misunderstanding Aniseya and killing her was influenced but I think not by the coven but I think the Sith Master will be revealed to be there.
So my theory was way off but now I don't know why they included some of the earlier context clues in the show if they were going to end up being pointless. Oh well.
I’m guessing she wanted to burn the book but when she did she released that it’s not what she wants and tried to stop but the fire got onto the wires and spread through the system
this sure was a episode, if this episode did anyting it made me feel that the yedi are even more in the right then i though the witches are clearly evil, and its really funny people defending them the only bad and verry stupid thing the yedi did is not tell the truth to the council. They had no reason to lie the yedi were in the right here its just drama for the plot because the cant write a decent show. comparing this to Hotd is like night and day man do i love hotd and man i´m a sad how far star wars has fallen, this was one of my fav serries and now its just alot of meh and braindead stuff.
솔은 쌍둥이. 특히 오샤가 지닌 힘에 자기도 모르게 홀려 있었다고 본다. 그게 지금까지 이어져오는 거 같아. 문제는 오샤도 솔도 그 힘의 작용을 확실히 깨닫지 못하고 있는 거 같아. 오샤는 자신의 힘이 솔을 홀리고 조종하는 줄 모르고 있고, 솔은 오샤의 힘에 자신이 홀렸고 조종당하고 있다는 걸 모르는 거 같다는 거지. 그리고 우리는 이 별로 재미는 없는 드라마에 홀려서 여기까지 온 거고. 마지막 8화가 어떻게 끝날지 모르겠다.
You are right about character motivations. This is the biggest biff I have with this show - the motivations are very contrived. Last week it was Mae trying to backstab Sol, when she could have done it in episode 5 when he was unconscious. What is her deal? Is she insane? A week before it was Mae leaving Osha - who she wanted to be reunited with - behind... in a jungle... full of deadly animals... and a sith. This week it is Torbin. His motivation is: "I am so homesick, I am going to invade the home of these space witches, and not listen to my master. What can go wrong?". Once again, the motivations of all characters are so contrived it boggles the mind.
I think we have all the knowledge we need. Sure it would be nice to know more about Sol's motivation or whatever, etc.. But I also don't think everything gotta be told and I think that works with this show
@@NeighborhoodItalian ”have the audience struggle to make it make sense” you know I’m a part of the audience, so if I can make it make sense, why can’t everyone else? Hmmm
@@WatchYeego I can pick apart this whole story episode by episode and point out every plot contrivance, every bad cliche, every bad story beat and people like you would fight SO hard to try to make it make sense. The story is not good man idk what to tell you. Now play with your hot toys and leave me alone I’m making money
One thing this show does is give us some great dynamic action scenes. What I wouldn't give for a Star Wars series or movie that is wall to wall action. I think they get too obsessed with world-building.
Episode 7 was another plot disaster. The entire story has plot holes like a Swiss cheese. Two examples (of many) in episode 7, Sol used the force to hold the two parts of the broken bridge the girls were standing on until he gave up and sacrificed May. Why the hell didn't he just hold the two girls with the Force and let the bridge collapse? If I was a jedi, I would have come up with the idea, obviously not the script writers. Then the weird fight where the witches kept firing knives at Torban, all of which he fended off, but not one of them at Sol or Trinity. Does that make sense? Not to me. The whole show is completely amateurishly realised and in this episode we've seen at least 50% of what was in a previous episode. So my final question: Where did the budget of 160M USD go?
I think Osha was meant to be sacrificed so that she could return to Mae’s body and become whole again. Concidering Mae was leaning more to the dark side she would be the dominant side of the unified personality. The rest of the coven would be sacrificed to fully pull her to the dark side.
I like the bones of this show but the structural decisions, weird cuts/editing/episode divisions, and final scripts/writing feel very off to me. Some of the acting is good to great but most of it is average or even pretty bad. Maybe due to the other problems with the show some of these actors weren't on solid footing with their characters idk
I wasn't a huge fan of this episode tbh, I liked all the extra scenes that expanded on the parts from episode three but I just felt like the dialogue, the delivery, the visuals and the pacing wasn't great. That's my biggest issue with the show because the story is extremely interesting and cool but the execution is leaving me dissapointed
@@Omn1MediaI’ve been thinking about doing this myself tbh. I’m not sure if I feel like there is enough to work with anymore. I was hoping the revelation would be more dramatic or profound and then you could sort of structure a feature length version around that. However, I’m also still hoping someone else will come up with a decent idea of how to at least clean up what is already here. You can’t really fix the writing but a pacing and structure rework would be a huge win.
Its rare to see something thats as terribly written and made as this show. Literally everything that happens you can point out something that doesn't make sense. How tf does something like this get made? Theres hundreds maybe even thousands of people involved in the making of a tv show and somehow not one of them said this doesn't make sense or anything along those lines?
I have not enjoyed the poor writing on this show at all. Saying that, this was the best written episode, pacing and attention to detail. When the writing is so poor, episodes should be in linear order.. no flash backs as we don't get any pay offs at all. Then get rid of the episode from Osha' perspective..does nothing for the story line I would still only give this is a 5/10, but that is my highest score. I also liked Torbin's lightsaber twirling - reminded me of prequels. How hard is it to make the rest look like that
Mae misquotes Mother Aniseya when se talks about sacrifice with the Jedi, the actual quote was "Ascension is about walking through fear, is about sacrificing a part of yourself" not "Everyone must walk through fear, everybody must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny" this is one of many misunderstood elements the makes Sol jump to the rushed conclusion that the coven is evil. Most of his actions in this episode are dictated by fear and a misguided belief that he needs to protect these children from something he doesn't even try to understand.
yeah, miscomunication just fueling Sols fear and paranoia and suspicioun of the witches. Its unfortunate
The use of unreliable narrators and unreliable perspectives through this show has been solid. They haven’t done a lot of giving the audience an unreliable perspective, but they do a great job giving individual characters limited perspectives that cause them to fuck up.
If you look, Mother Aniseya didn't begin to enter Torbin's mind until Master Indara introduced him as her Padawan. So she knew he was the weakest mind to manipulate.
Nice catch! I really think they wanted this to happen but Aniseya had second thoughts after speaking with Osha.
@@Omn1MediaAcolyte all-flashback episode 7 was very good.
I liked the references to the hyperspace catastrophe that wiped out life on some planets; of which in the last episode Jedi master Vernestra has pain/nausea from traveling through hyperspace due to her strong connection to the force.
The fact that Sol was an emotional Jedi like Dooku, Anakin and Quigon Jinn was seen in quite a big way.
The turn of the plot, who is responsible for the death of the entire Clan of these Witches who follow the path of Bogan = Darkness in magic, they were quite similar to the Witches of the Sisterhood of the Night from Dathomir, where Darth Maul also comes from.
The fights were great, the choreography was great and seeing two Jedi fight against a possessed Wookie Jedi was great.
But most of all, normally, just like Mother Cora, I felt this emotional pain in my heart. When Sol killed her partner, co-mother of two children and the love of her life, mother Aniseya, in front of her eyes.
The destruction reminded me of something similar to when the Jedi destroyed the entire planet of Korriban, where the original Sith race came from.
I really need Jodie Turner-Smith to play Storm. She’s incredible
She would be perfect
30:45 I think Master Indara forcing them out of Kelnacca's mind, caused their deaths. Not because she meant to kill them, but the dark side spells they used caused their deaths, once they were expelled against their will.
Just ridiculous.
That’s also how I took it
I guess the used the magic as a mental force then when Indara blocked them out the mental force
Redirected at them full force and sense they weren’t expecting it they died
The witches got force constipation from the intense focusing which weakened them so they all passed away.
Yes the Hyperspace Disaster is the one from Light of The Jedi, pretty cool!
The one High Republic book I read and it was relevant! haha
Thank you, Omni! 🌑 The "we must be sacrificed" misquote little 'Mae' relayed to 'Indara' and 'Sol' had a huge impact. They literally thought the girls would be sacrificed. 'Aniseya' actually said, "It is about sacrificing a *part* of ourselves". 🔸 I love how we got so many answers and still so much is yet to be revealed!
I think Sol fucking up royally made him even MORE of an interesting character to me. If he dies next episode, I understand. But I hope he survives so we can get more of him next season.
Same. Inject flawed characters inside me
Agreed. I also felt this episode really changed my perspective of Mae and everything about her behaviors and actions that we’ve seen up until this point, makes total sense.
I find her as a much more sympathetic and tragic character.
wait will there be a season 2 ?
@@Ezracarr376 probably, yes. Only Disney has the real, raw viewership data, but the engagement metrics from Nielsen and from independent third party sources range from “good” to “excellent” in terms of viewership and engagement, so it’s very likely we get a season 2.
The show isn’t billed as a limited series the way many Star Wars shows have been, and Leslye Headland is already on record saying they have plans for what season 2 and beyond could be if they get greenlit. With all the metrics that matter looking pretty good, the chances are high.
Sol is a really good what if on if Qui Gon fucked up royally on tattooine.
Torbin, no comment.
Indara was the GOAT!!! Only one with a level head.
Loved the episode
So you’re telling me, Sol was this wild and he made the Jedi council with Yoda in the seat? Let’s stop the bs
@@JBurnz001 Sol isn't on the council
@@JBurnz001bro watch the show, he’s not on the council dummy
@@JBurnz001Man between this and your other comment, it really seems like you have the media literacy of a chewed piece of gum on the underside of a desk.
@JBurnz001 did you not watch the show? 💀 he isn't on the council
With all of sols actions it goes back to mae last episode saying stuff about wanting something so bad that your mind becomes blinded
18:12 👀 The way Master Indara reached through (in order to "exorcise" Kelnacca) and extinguished 'em all witches, was some impressively lethal Force skill... 💀🔥
@@CarlLepeltier I don't know, I wonder if that was intended, on Indara's part. It seemed so odd to me, like perhaps she was not aware that severing the connection would end their lives? Perhaps a necessary cost to stop such a power to continue and/or for Kelnacca to remain a threat? It was all such swift nonverbal action I'm just still not completely sure what happened lol
@@archaelia I think it's more a statement on their magics, rather than the force. Darkside requires sacrifice for a lot of it's power, so, makes sense there's a drawback.
ok... theory/interpretation
The Power of One = Either Light or Dark side alone
The Power of Two = Light and Dark Side TOGETHER
The Power of Many = All the gradient between light and dark
Hmm 🤔, interesting theory 🤔.
Also the mirroring of sol and qimir and wanted a pupil very much so is interesting
Master Indara was actually pretty cool. I misjudged her.
She was the only adult in that group of Jedi. Well, maybe Kelnacca too, we don’t really know what he was saying.
She was the only sane person in this caravan of madness.
This narrative shows Andara (sp?) more respectful. In the first flashback, she was ruder. The Jedi did break into the fortress uninvited.
@@jillg9108Indara
Until she decided to cover the whole thing while using the tragedy Osha suffered as reason to convince Sol.
She was much of a fuck up as everyone else in this episode save for Osha.
Clearly mae may burning the book was intentional, but she realized what she was doing and the initial fire was an accident and she could not control it. I am now 100% sure the whole if I can’t have you, no one can was from osha’s point of view of what happened. Mae tried to put the fire out but she couldn’t and she ran to go get help. She didn’t leave her there to die but OSHA doesn’t get that.
Sol's internal compass may have been affected by the planet sized force magnet he was standing on.
26:15 Master Indara dropped Kelnacca off in the ship, before she took the ship to valet parking.
Thank you!
Sol being so sure that he has a connection with osha is so funny because he can’t tell or feel the difference between them . I ignored it last episode and just thought he was grieving however he has done it before , it makes the whole situation that much more annoying. My theory is the twins will merge into one and sol will die
Well to be a little fair to him, Osha and Mae have the exact same force signature since they are basically just one person made into two. The only way to tell them apart of their outer appearance and personality.
@@ThunderCrey yeah I know that , that’s why sols behaviour pisses because they have no special connection. He would feel the same connection if mae was next to him . Qimir might be the only one who can feel the difference.
I feel like his inability to recognize the difference between them here answers one of my major quibbles with episode 6, where he was extremely perceptive and capable of reading people, but couldn't tell the difference between Mae and Osha, who was his former Padawan. The fact that he doesn't here and the findings about their consciousness splitting in two makes that feel a little more understandable.
Yeah it's basically everyones fault mostly Sol's though cause if he was thinking straight he would've allowed Indara to speak with the witches alone as for Torbin you can't really blame him cause he was still experiencing the effects of the spell I thought Indara killed them all and slicing yeah!
I was waiting for Indara to be revealed to be the reason behind the witches destruction..... but no! Turns out she was the most honorable of them all. Now I feel sad that she got dragged into all of this.
She killed all the witches, did you miss it?
@@smokinjoe4709she was just trying to free Kelnacca. Not her fault imo
I don't think the witches died when she cleared them from Kelneccas mind. I believe they were just knocked out and the fire started by Mae was what actually killed them.
Sol had a lot of prejudices against the witches. He acted on hubris and ignorance.
but the witches are evil though
The way Sol -who's been the most negatively proactive of the four Jedi involved- is the only one who is still alive...
And the way Koril -who's been the most negative influence among the Coven of Witches- is probably still alive (she disappeared and we did not see her since)...
... Clearly shows a dark vergence pushing its will forward.
Then, there's The Twins, who are meant to play a pivotal role in all that, down the line.
And there's Vernestra & The Stranger, who also have some "history"...
This series radiates with a lot of intense dramatic energy !
Got the feeling this upcoming final episode is gonna offer some crazy dilemmas, dark stuffs, and very dramatic events !...
It's clear Episode 3 was Osha's point of view. That's why Mae seem like pure evil
Seems? She literally said she’s gonna kill her lol
Did you never tell someone that when you were upset as a kid? Kids say shit they dont really mean all the time@@notorioust792
...She's still evil. Very easily decided to kill her sister. That has nothing to do with the Jedi. She was torturing the insect at the tree.
@martinsleight321 they made it pretty clear in this episode she wasn't TRYONG to start a big fire and kill osha just burn that notebook.
@@thejuansnow She said 'I will kill you' then saw the fire spreading and panicked. She tortured a living creature at the tree....
She's not a good egg.
The “sacrifice” comment that Mae made was her misremembering what Aniseya said. It’s everyone “must sacrifice” not “everyone must be sacrificed”.
Oh yeah, here’s another point. I don’t think came across too well, indara is the only Jedi master in this group. Sol and Kelnaca our regular Jedi. Torbin is a Padawan. So Sol may not actually have been sufficiently disciplined enough to warrant a Padawan.
Peak #StarWars ⭐
It is oh so breathtaking to see how Indara was the voice of reason all along, at every step of this chain of events she tried everything not to have this situation go badly.
Every choice made or action taken turned the outcome we know into a reality... Osha's will to leave the Coven and join the Jedi Order, Mae's complete refusal of it, Aniseya pressuring Torbin and him rushing into action, Koril adding fuel to the fire, Sol killing Aniseya and choosing Osha over Mae...
It would have been totally different if everyone had stayed in their place ; but it clearly looks like there was a superior will pulling these numerous strings... A.k.a. The Force.
Now the next question is... Who is #TheStranger (probably a rogue or not so rogue dark disciple ?), and what is The Twins' fate or purpose in the grand scheme of things ?
The way I see it is that there is a bigger power in place, a Sith Lord lurking in the shadows...
About Torbin, I think it's less his own guilt and more the effects of the possession staying in his mind, to the point he preferred to isolate and even kill himself to avoid harming anyone. In Ep 5, Yord and Osha talk about Qimir and the witches getting into your mind and staying there. Maybe it wasn't intentional for Torbin to be tormented forever, but it ended up being the case due to the witches dying and leaving him affected.
I like how they make Indara the wisest one out of them all. They gave Carrie Ann Moss the best Jedi character out of those 4
Sol was truly overreacting. The carefree children were out in the forest behaving normally, before an adult figure showed up warning the girls it's too dangerous to be out by themselves. What part of that interaction screamed HELP ME!!
I think it was the part where the witches were around a huge hole pointing at it.
@@thehacker4012 The Jedi academy should offer a course called First Contact 101. When confronting novel indigenous culture clash you don't fully understand, first suggestion is to "keep calm and carry on"... second suggestion, bring a goddamn towel.
When she snuck into the Fortress, he saw Koril being rough and treating the girls like warriors, forcing them to use the force. He could tell Osha wanted to leave. Then when he heard about the Ascension and it being a sacrifice, that basically solidified his fears.
He formed an emotional attachment fast and misinterpreted things happening around him
@@CrossOutBryce Speaking of misinterpretations. It sure didn't help that Mae told the Jedi, "Mama said... everyone must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny."
dont use your brain, it probably wouldnt help
28:30 man I don't really fault Sol for thinking Mother Aniseya was doing something to attack. She already showed she had the ability to take over the mind of a Jedi Padawan, why wouldn't he react to something he sees as a threat. She needed to tell them, hey I'm gonna BRB. I need to check on this Mae situation.
TBF if someone invaded your home (for a second time) with weapons, started making questions about your kids and then you realized one of your kids was in mortal danger, would you feel like you owed the trespasser any explanation on why you wanted to rush off and save your child?
But the thing is he shouldn’t have even been there in the first place. The High Council already told them to leave the girls alone, so he literally had zero right and authority to break into their home and try to take their children. So he is in the wrong bc he acted without knowing the whole story out of fear. Aniseya was just going to save Osha, but bc he has been prejudiced against them and their ways from the jump, he assumed the worst and straight up murdered her.
I like that they played Sol as sort of the wisest guy in the room for most of the show and then we finally see him here and he’s basically bat shit crazy. Just making wild assumptions left right and center, getting instantly obsessed with the idea of having this specific person as a Padawan, he’s a total disaster human and I’m here for it. I just wish the show had been better made so that this underlying concept could have shined.
I miss the days of 22 episode seasons. With longer seasons, they could have built the relationship between Osha and Sol more slowly and laid the groundwork for the misunderstanding and building tension throughout the whole season. My biggest criticism of the show is that they are trying to tell too many different stories for an 8-episode season of 30 to 40-minute episodes.
@@sjsampson5483yeah I wish we can break this awful 8-10 episodes per season trend.
@@sjsampson5483these writers struggle with 8 episodes you think they can engineer a 20 episode season 😂
If I were a Sith Lord, I wouldn't miss the opportunity to corrupt a powerful Jedi Master Sol.
Weakened by past guilt, Sol is highly likely to be captured by Quimir or fall to the Dark Side in the next episode.
Mother Anaseya was really a great mother. 😢
ikr i loved the performance behind her bc at times in ep 3 she came off somewhat sinister but seeing her in full context just goes to show how great she was
@@allymofo2332I don't think she was in Episode 3. She even allowed her child to make a choice and get emotional because she wanted Osha to stay but she knows she has to let go. 😢
Was she tho there kids not adults they don’t know what they want 🤦🏽🤦🏽 Anakin mom let him go bc she wanted anakin to have better life then being a slave unlike here she was already too old and wasn’t a slave
With next week being the season finale, I was a little disappointed in the fact that didn't get some sort of clue as to how Qmir fits into this and how Mae met him. It was a nice episode, but didn't feel like a penultimate episode.
I agree!!!
I’m confused how they’re going to finish the season in one more episode
@@Jjj-zz7bzyeah how will they wrap everything in 40 minutes lol. Im excited to see that haha
@lso8000 I'm not sure if they will. It may be another Asohka because they are already talking about season 2. The seventh episode answered some questions but raised some more, like why was Sol really a more stressed out and overdramatic Qui-gon?
@@cerberus01yeah Sol is definitely the most emotional Jedi I’ve ever seen!
I loved the "The sun's gettin' real low" part between Kelnacca and Indara at the end. Decent episode again, looking forward to the last episode now.
Damn what a serie of fuck ups.🙃
Sol: let his prejudice over the coven bring the Jedi to meddle and investigate them.😐
Torbin: gets so afraid after being mind controlled than goes ballistic over the possibility of leaving the place using Osha and Mae as evidence of a vergence.😳
Toril: also goes ballistic. Inciting Mae to attack Osha and she was likely the one who put the fortress into self destruction mode. Her smile while she disappeared was most telling.😳
Aniseya: she was way too passive and lost control of both Mae and Torill, and the coven in the process. 😳
Mae: she did started a fire but lost control of it and she also incited the witches to fight.😲
Sol: fucks up again by confusing Aniseya's gesture as one of attacking while Torbin and Korill are facing each other.😨
Kelnacca: learns nothing from Torbin's failure and end up mind controlled. Forcing Torbin and Sol to hold their hits until Indara arrives to undo the mind control, killing the dozens of witches that were controlling him.😨
Indara: After being the voice of reason before and right after Sol finally comes to his senses she decides the best course of action is to hide the evidence and use Osha as a excuse?😨
And Let's not forget that Toril likely rescued Mae and led her to her revenge path with the Sith Qmir. After all there was no one else on the planet.😱
From what it showed, Aniseya was trying to shadow-teleport Mae away to safety.... but because Sol saw Mae was slowly disintegrating he thought she as gonna die so like anyone who would've done, he reacted. Then when it came to Mae and Osha, as bad as it was, he had to make a choice, he couldn't save both of them so he had to save one of them. Sol got attached and costed him
I haven't gone back to hear the exact quote, but when Sol talks about his own early childhood it sounded as if he felt unsafe there. I think he's projecting big time (and maybe picking up that Osha's unhappy, which is not the same thing as unsafe) and letting fear and concern blind him to Indara's really sound advice.
Older Torbin was trying to convince or ease his conscience about his part in those deaths by saying (we thought we were doing the right thing). No. He had separation anxiety for home and it was escalating (worse than Anikan when he left his mom behind).
He was weak, and was willing to disobey his own Jedi master in order to do what it took to kidnap those girls...mostly Osha, and go home. So, I see why he ended his painful guilt by drinking the poison.
Indara told Sol to stop Torbin, instead he went against her order as well and chose to go take them.
Sol said he came there in a diplomatic way, but how can that not be a lie, when a few moments ago, outside, he made his decision that he was taking them.
He didn't bother to hear context when listening in, using the force. He heard Mae say those last words to Osha and immediately went into panic mode and jumped to conclusion.
The whole episode he kept using the words "I fear." How did both he and Torbin make it that far in their Jedi journey without any of the members of the Council sensing their fear weakness and terminate them from the order?
Sol made it to a Jedi master status but did not get a Padawan until many years later, there's more to that story, and I think maybe it comes from his experiences as a child taken by the Jedi at 4.
His emotions were so eradic that he couldn't distinguish that Mae was not Osha when she came in the room asking for help.
As children, they were easier to tell apart, but in his panicked state he couldn't focus.
He didn't use the force to guide his steps into assessing the situation when he let his fear take over and killed their mother, instead of using the force to wait and see her intention. This is why he didn't fight back with Koril. He knew he was wrong.
I also think that the mother Aniseya was just trying to remove Mae from the room for possible danger, and he attacked.
Maybe because of the energies of the two mothers, the child was split into two minded beings. Koril comes from the hostile race that Darth Maul came from. And Aniseya seemed to be more balanced in her nature.
When Indara was using her Jedi force to push the coven out of Kelnacca's mind I saw her neck quickly tilt to one side, and theirs all did at the same time too.
It looked like she used the force to snap their necks, imo.
Maybe once Aniseya died Koril became next in line to have the power over the coven, and used her strong ability to sway over the minds of the coven to attack.
There are onion layers to peel back here, imo. So many details left to figure out. Hopefully there are more seasons.
It seems from the earlier episode with Kelnacca's home having the markings on the wall, he had been studying their ways to understand how their magic worked.
I wanted to know exactly why he was looking into it. Was it guilt, was it because he wanted a way to fortify his mind from ever being compromised again, was it that the symbols were burned into his mind from the spell when they used the force and he had to draw them to just get the images out..and on the wall was just a reminder of his moment of weakness?
I don't think Mae would have survived if she tried to go kill him. He was pretty powerful, even without using the force or a saber.
I am wondering if maybe Quirin saw weakness in Sol when perhaps Sol was a padawan and they came to Quirin's family to collect potentials.
That got me remembering the little girl in Sol's class who could see parts of the events of that day, when she was channeling the force.
Maybe she saw parts of his guilt in his mind. He did look concerned when he heard her say what she saw.
The show has interesting ideas, characters, solid performances, incredible fights and I love the era it's set in. But the pacing is weird for almost every episode aside from maybe 1 and 5. I think a re-edit of this show would vastly improve it.
I agree particularly with Day/Night. If they trimmed down day and just merged it with Night and made it a longer episode that would have helped. Some minor scenes could have been cut as they didn’t advance the plot.
I also think what would have made things better if they released all the episodes at once like Visions so I can be viewed in one sitting. Cause the back half does make the front portion more likable.
I know this is a really abstract thought, but I kind of wonder if Qimir is somehow involved in the chaos behind the divides of both parties in this whole thing. Perhaps being more tuned into the dark side he sensed their creation and came and found Mae at the tree way before the jedi were there, and his presence effected the Jedi unknowingly and he slowly influenced Mae who was more naturally aligned with the corruption of the dark side?
What tipped the balance was the invasion of privacy by Sol and the Padawan.
The council told them to leave the girls alone, wise decision.
Jedi don't always know how to emotionally relate to the rest of us that are emotional beings.
I feel like it was a Thrawn situation, the Twins were supposed to get to a place where they could be powerful enough to protect the coven from interlopers like the Jedi similisr to Thrawn joining the Empire to protect his people from them. Thry didnt count on Osha wanting to leave and Mother A letting her go. Just my 2 cents
Indara didnt pushed em out, she focused on their mind so strongly they died from brain injury
They used the V word! 😍
appreciate the reaction milord Omni!~ always a fun time! i really enjoyed the episode!~
"There was fault all around." Untrue. Poor Kelnacca did nothing wrong.
First off, I love how this story portrayed both the Jedi and the witches as fallible individuals both doing what they believed was the right call. I also like how Indara was the Jedi voice of reason in the same way Mother Aniseya was for the Coven. Mother Koril was clearly doing what she wanted, but I'm not so sure that the same is true for Sol. To be honest, I think he was inadvertently coerced.
Why was Osha outside the compound under the Bunta tree? Because her connection to the Force is deficient, and because she seeks to receive praise like Mae does? We saw how Mother Koril and Aniseya are around Mae when she shows off her ability to use the Force. Osha isn't on Mae's level, but she should be, as she and Mae are identical in every way. Osha was under the Bunta tree because she wanted hoped to establish a stronger connection to the Thread in private. She didn't want her overbearing Mother telling her what she was doing wrong, and she didn't want Mae around to show her up.
This episode made me see Osha and Mae's interaction differently the second time around. When we first saw it, we were made to think that Mae was the bad child with evil tendencies, but that wasn't the case at all. Mae's just a sister, a loving sister who can't stand being apart from her twin.
"Let it go Mae. Stop! Why do you always have to do things like that?"
--Osha to Mae
"Why do you always have to run off alone?
--Mae to Osha
I don't think Mae was trying to hurt the creature at all. Mae was in the moment, focused on the task at hand. I think that she was just trying to show Osha how to do what she was doing better.
12:07: this conversation reminds us of Osha and Mae's importance to the coven as well as Osha's deficient connection to the Force. A witch named Rane argued, "She is a child. The girl has yet to realize the power that she holds," when explaining why she felt Osha couldn't leave. I found it odd that none of them referred to Osha by name, was she just a thing to the others?
"Some call it a Force and claim to use it. But we know the Thread is not a power you wield. Pull the Thread. Change everything. It ties you to your destiny (while touching Mae's shoulder). It binds you to others (while touching Osha's shoulder)."
--Mother Aniseya
If the thread isn't something you wield, why does the Coven want to use Osha to their ends? I understand how important Mae and Osha were to their future, but this coven clearly hoped to use the twins to their benefit. The Coven was as hypocritical as the Jedi they were calling out.
Both Mae and Osha were being groomed to someday lead the coven, so they learned to do what all the other witches knew how to do. Mae has a natural connection to the Thread and can use it with ease. Osha's connection is a tenuous one. Last episode, Osha explained to Qimir why she wasn't a Jedi; she failed. She couldn't use the Force their way. After hearing Osha out, Qimir explained that there are other ways to connect to the Force, the path to the Dark Side. Osha might have inadvertently tapped into the Dark Side back on Brendok the day Mae showed her up for the last time. The argument they had under the Bunta tree gradually intensified. When Mae tried to look at the picture Osha was drawing in her book (the Jedi emblem), Osha got pissed again--how did Osha know what the Jedi symbol looked like? Sol likely left the compound around this time to report what he found to Indara and the others--did Osha reach out in the Force and touch Sol's mind, sort of like how Mother Aniseya did to Torbin? If so, that would explain why Sol was so different from the person he was when the episode started, and why he knew how Osha felt. This might also explain the Mother Aniseya quote a few lines up--she said those lines sort of like she already knew what was about to happen.
What sucks about all of this is, Mae has a complete picture of what happened on Brendok 16 years ago. Osha won't have that. I suspect Qimir's helmet will allow Osha to recall what she heard on the Jedi ship while unconscious, and that's not good! That story Indara told wasn't the full story, but one that implicates the Jedi behind everything that went wrong that night. Yikes!
Was Osha always the bad child, while Mae was the good one? When all is said and done, Mae or Osha probably won't survive the finale. I think it's time these two became one, the person they were always meant to be. Who is that person? The Thread was pulled 16 years ago, but which part of the thread will remain? The good half, the bad, or something new? I guess we'll find out in a couple of days.
18:35 one of the twins could've easily jumped to either bridge and therefore Sol wouldn't have had to choose, but then we wouldn't have a story 😊.
That goes for a lot of things 😂
The way they are made with the black magic substance like marok and the inquisitor killed by Ashoka (was green but the same ).
I believe the twin are the résurrection of a unique girl who died in the past.
Sol is a captivating character with many layers.
Torbin really wanted to go home lol I don't blame him, Coruscant is so much better, its got showers.
I’m on the same page about how they didn’t do a planet wide sweep first before going to the surface. Seriously, no scan first?
I like this show, but they make it hard. There is great stuff here that with a different style this could have been great.
Indeed that is what I thought of too. Maybe from orbit they just saw an abandoned facility from before the hyperspace disaster 100 years ago. But the witches somehow have the ability to mask their lifeforce against scans, like hogwarts is to muggles when they come across it.
With an experience show runner it could have been good.. but they got ole “fake it til you make it” Leslye who’s admitted she doesn’t know what she’s doing
I still feel like there is more to this event than we are seeing. That fire spread WAY too fast to be the result of Mae setting fire to Osha's drawing book alone. I have a feeling that Qimir is somehow connected to all of it. He told Osha that he was a Jedi "a very long time ago", and we know that the Dark Side can be utilized to mask someone's age.
It was a severe electrical fire. The lamp that Mae grabs has some kind of fuel within it, when she tosses it to the ground and then the book as well, the fuel has leaked all over the floor in front of the door and ignites the side panels, creating a runaway fire that consumes the internals of the door. Since that entire structure was built as a mine there is a facility-level backbone of circuitry and controls, extremely old, it is all interconnected to the main power banks, and once that fire started absolutely no one worked to put any of it out. Electrical fires as a class, left unchecked, are one of the most dangerous and hard to control. I had a similar thought to yours too once the first explosions happened in the upper structure in the wide shot, but the series makes great effort to show the fuel from the lamp igniting and spreading the fire very quickly to the electronics, and once I realized that it made perfect sense. Qimir's manipulations and lies by omission are no doubt at work, but I believe his involvement is more distant, like discovering the vergence, then setting the coven up with it, and then bounced for 16 years
@@archaelia nonsense... lol
@@smokinjoe4709 are you replying to me, or to Iggy? Either way, do you have any reasoning to back up your dismissal?
I wasn’t expecting that the twins are one person split into two. Like I suppose Mae is from the dark side and OSHA is the light side?
One more thing. Why did Sol try to hold up both sides of the bridge instead of using his force to levitate both girls over to him? That would have taken less energy out of him, imo.
Excellent analysis of the episode. I just wish people who are hating on this episode yet again would watch your take on it.
Indara dropped kelnacca off from the ship that’s what happened he did like a high altitude jump that’s why she asked
I think I'm actually ok if we don't get explanations of what the coven was doing, what that mind control thing was, why they passed out when they were expelled from Kelnacca's head, etc because thematically, it's super impactful that we as the audience don't know because the Jedi didn't care to learn. We just lost so much knowledge and an entire culture because of the self-righteous ignorance of the Jedi who didn't bother to understand the coven, and so now we as the audience are denied that as well. They're all dead. They can't defend themselves, so we'll never know (unless Korril survived and shows back up to tell us) and I think thematically, that's the idea the show is going for. It's very focused on the 'from a certain point of view' and if you kill one of the POVs off, then you forever lose that perspective.
I think this episode might be my favorite one so far. I’ve really enjoyed the show since the beginning, but I do agree that episode 5 and onward are better then the first half.
I liked that it wasn’t just the Jedi’s fault and the blame can be placed on people from both parties. Torbin just blames himself because if he didn’t rush off then Sol wouldn’t have gone after him and then they wouldn’t have started anything. Sol was trying to do good in his eyes and it ended in tragedy.
I think everything the coven did to the jedi was justified. They were outside of their jurisdiction, defied the council, and broke into the covens’ home twice. Eff intentions, they were in the wrong.
I don't know what people are complaining about, Mae and Ohsa had amayzing chemistry.
Indara told the truth to the council just like Obi-Wan told the truth to Luke-from a certain point of view.
4:50 they didnt search the north aera yet , so no they never see the base yet .
hmm what an interesting episode not bad can't wait to see the final
We know that Qimir desires a Padawan, and if he knew these girls had that much power in them, that's exactly the kind of Padawan he might want. Maybe the whole danger around the girls that Sol sensed was just Qimir. He could have taken advantage of the mistakes the Jedi made. Realistically, he could have just stood by and then grabbed a padawan falling from the sky. Or he could have thrown wood on the fire, the explosions were quite numerous, at one point exploding all over the place. When Sol confronted Qimir in episode 5, we know he sensed something familiar. Perhaps Qimir is not connected to the Order, at least when Sol was there, but he felt the same danger as he did on Brendok.
It didn’t hit me until now, Torbin because he was mind manipulated by Reverend mother his desire to go home is uncontrolled so first chance he sees that he can use it to fulfill his desire to go home. He’s running off without thinking. That was a great move by mother aniseya
I wonder if what osha wanted was unintentionally manipulating sol's thoughts. It seems like the witches can manipulate the mind and maybe because she didn't want to be a witch so badly she accidentally tapped into Sol
Remember, no one told a lie. They told the truth... from a certain point of view. 😉
I’ve said this elsewhere, but Sol’s bizarre, empathic impediment is throwing me off. How did he advance beyond being a Padawan with this issue? For example: taking Torbin, Osha, even Mae’s feelings as his own, and acting upon them.
I'm liking this....
Kelnacca being violently puppeted like that was just terrifying...extremely well done. I wouldn't want any of that action.
~I do recall Mando telling Mythrol to *slice* the mechanics in Season 2.~
There's a LOT of guilt in this show. Guilt, regret, maybe even shame. Next week had better come through to answer more questions. I don't need ALL answered, because there may be a 2nd season. So, yeah...I'm really liking this!
No idea what happens now but my secret hope is that Sol gets kicked out of the Jedi and the season ends with him knocking on Qimir's door. Hes obviously a flawed Jedi driven by emotion. He'd make a perfect Acolyte.
This was definitely one of the episodes of all time.😅
Just a few questions I would really like to ask the writers:
Why would Torbin go back and get 'evidence' when all the evidence he needs is in the device that they used to analyze the blood samples? Why not just send the results instead?
Also why would the mother start screaming and start doing her magic only for Sol to kill her thinking she's attacking Mae? She could've just told him she was gonna let Osha go BEFORE she did the magic mist thing so there's no confusion.
Also, how the fuck did Sol get attached to Osha so quickly? He's only seen her or even known of her existence for a few hours at most.
I guess the characters are only as smart as the person writing them.
Those are only but a few questions we’ll never get answers too 😂 “because”
Thing is this show would be a lot more coherent if episodes were in different order
Is one of the mother's the Vergence?
Like Anakin was.
Which means he had Darth Plageuis powers before going to Palpatine but the Jedi failed to teach him because it's considered dark side
I have a theory that connect the prequels, the acolyte and and the sequels. So in the prequels we know Palpatine influenced Anakin's thoughts about envisioning Padme dying by giving him visions through fear. We see how Aniseya really feels about Osha/Mae however Sol starts feeling afraid something wrong is happening like you stated you wondered if they were in her head but I think it is bigger. I think possibly we will find out Darth Plagueis has been influencing the feelings of Sol in this sequence as well as manipulating the fear in Qimir's master. I had this theory similar when Last Jedi came out that Snoke is Darth Plagueis and influenced Luke to think Ben is turning to the Dark Side to get him to turn. So i wonder if there is merit to this after this episode with Sol being paranoid about Osha/Mae and misunderstanding Aniseya and killing her was influenced but I think not by the coven but I think the Sith Master will be revealed to be there.
So my theory was way off but now I don't know why they included some of the earlier context clues in the show if they were going to end up being pointless. Oh well.
Couldn't Sol have grabbed both the girls with the force rather than the 2 'heavy' platforms 😪 I just want some good starwars
I’m guessing she wanted to burn the book but when she did she released that it’s not what she wants and tried to stop but the fire got onto the wires and spread through the system
You missed out on the music through the credits.
this sure was a episode, if this episode did anyting it made me feel that the yedi are even more in the right then i though the witches are clearly evil, and its really funny people defending them the only bad and verry stupid thing the yedi did is not tell the truth to the council. They had no reason to lie the yedi were in the right here its just drama for the plot because the cant write a decent show. comparing this to Hotd is like night and day man do i love hotd and man i´m a sad how far star wars has fallen, this was one of my fav serries and now its just alot of meh and braindead stuff.
This was such a beautiful episode. I’m really impressed with Koganada.
Kelnacca jumped from the ship lol
A dark side possessed Wookie Jedi, I'd be going OH SHIT too Omn1 😂😂😂😂
솔은 쌍둥이. 특히 오샤가 지닌 힘에 자기도 모르게 홀려 있었다고 본다. 그게 지금까지 이어져오는 거 같아. 문제는 오샤도 솔도 그 힘의 작용을 확실히 깨닫지 못하고 있는 거 같아. 오샤는 자신의 힘이 솔을 홀리고 조종하는 줄 모르고 있고, 솔은 오샤의 힘에 자신이 홀렸고 조종당하고 있다는 걸 모르는 거 같다는 거지. 그리고 우리는 이 별로 재미는 없는 드라마에 홀려서 여기까지 온 거고. 마지막 8화가 어떻게 끝날지 모르겠다.
This was a deeply tragic and emotionally intense episode.
Kelnaca was on the ship with indara she just came in closer so he can jump off to go help
"...from a certain point of view."
You are right about character motivations. This is the biggest biff I have with this show - the motivations are very contrived.
Last week it was Mae trying to backstab Sol, when she could have done it in episode 5 when he was unconscious. What is her deal? Is she insane?
A week before it was Mae leaving Osha - who she wanted to be reunited with - behind... in a jungle... full of deadly animals... and a sith.
This week it is Torbin. His motivation is: "I am so homesick, I am going to invade the home of these space witches, and not listen to my master. What can go wrong?".
Once again, the motivations of all characters are so contrived it boggles the mind.
Qimir is the only one with clear and interesting motivations
I think we have all the knowledge we need. Sure it would be nice to know more about Sol's motivation or whatever, etc.. But I also don't think everything gotta be told and I think that works with this show
Yeah have the audience struggle to make it make sense in their heads, just cause they like SW. that’s a good show
@@NeighborhoodItalian I’m not struggling to make it make sense? Hmm 🤔
@@WatchYeego didn’t say anything about you Yeego but ok
@@NeighborhoodItalian ”have the audience struggle to make it make sense” you know I’m a part of the audience, so if I can make it make sense, why can’t everyone else? Hmmm
@@WatchYeego I can pick apart this whole story episode by episode and point out every plot contrivance, every bad cliche, every bad story beat and people like you would fight SO hard to try to make it make sense. The story is not good man idk what to tell you. Now play with your hot toys and leave me alone I’m making money
Everything with the witches in this show feels so unconvincing to me, I dunno what it is but it all feels like a stage performance.
One thing this show does is give us some great dynamic action scenes.
What I wouldn't give for a Star Wars series or movie that is wall to wall action. I think they get too obsessed with world-building.
A man on the run, John Wick style romp across some Star Wars worlds would go hard!
Episode 7 was another plot disaster. The entire story has plot holes like a Swiss cheese. Two examples (of many) in episode 7, Sol used the force to hold the two parts of the broken bridge the girls were standing on until he gave up and sacrificed May. Why the hell didn't he just hold the two girls with the Force and let the bridge collapse? If I was a jedi, I would have come up with the idea, obviously not the script writers. Then the weird fight where the witches kept firing knives at Torban, all of which he fended off, but not one of them at Sol or Trinity. Does that make sense? Not to me. The whole show is completely amateurishly realised and in this episode we've seen at least 50% of what was in a previous episode. So my final question: Where did the budget of 160M USD go?
so Anakin must have also been created by a vergance
No, no…you’re supposed to hate this show like all the other Star Wars ’fans’
I think Osha was meant to be sacrificed so that she could return to Mae’s body and become whole again. Concidering Mae was leaning more to the dark side she would be the dominant side of the unified personality. The rest of the coven would be sacrificed to fully pull her to the dark side.
I like the bones of this show but the structural decisions, weird cuts/editing/episode divisions, and final scripts/writing feel very off to me. Some of the acting is good to great but most of it is average or even pretty bad. Maybe due to the other problems with the show some of these actors weren't on solid footing with their characters idk
This would have been better as a movie.
I wasn't a huge fan of this episode tbh, I liked all the extra scenes that expanded on the parts from episode three but I just felt like the dialogue, the delivery, the visuals and the pacing wasn't great. That's my biggest issue with the show because the story is extremely interesting and cool but the execution is leaving me dissapointed
I think this show could be vastly improved by an indie editor on RUclips recutting it lol
@@Omn1MediaI’ve been thinking about doing this myself tbh. I’m not sure if I feel like there is enough to work with anymore. I was hoping the revelation would be more dramatic or profound and then you could sort of structure a feature length version around that.
However, I’m also still hoping someone else will come up with a decent idea of how to at least clean up what is already here. You can’t really fix the writing but a pacing and structure rework would be a huge win.
I felt that this as the answer to what happened with the witches was weak.
Its rare to see something thats as terribly written and made as this show. Literally everything that happens you can point out something that doesn't make sense. How tf does something like this get made? Theres hundreds maybe even thousands of people involved in the making of a tv show and somehow not one of them said this doesn't make sense or anything along those lines?
✨🖤⚖️🌒🫣
I have not enjoyed the poor writing on this show at all. Saying that, this was the best written episode, pacing and attention to detail. When the writing is so poor, episodes should be in linear order.. no flash backs as we don't get any pay offs at all. Then get rid of the episode from Osha' perspective..does nothing for the story line
I would still only give this is a 5/10, but that is my highest score.
I also liked Torbin's lightsaber twirling - reminded me of prequels. How hard is it to make the rest look like that
Preach