Vauxhall Vectra C, Deathtrap Brake Pipe & The MOT Test
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Vauxhall Vectra C, Deathtrap Brake Pipe & The MOT Test.
If a brake pipe is corroded and cannot be seen on an mot test, it cannot be tested, on many vehicles brake pipes are hidden under panels and can run over the top of fuel tanks...
A car needs a mot certificate to say its safe to be driven on the roads.
Maybe the roads should have one.
I agree 1000%
in nz we use to have to check every 6 months now its yearly, the garages were saying road crashes and deaths would go up, they never did but garage profits did go down. $50 charge for a 15 minute inspection is a good source of income
Being a vectra c owner. This is the video that got me hooked on your channel. My vectra has just had it's first advisory for corroded pipes so I'm not taking any chances. It's getting new ones Tuesday.
cheers graham
This is always the grief i get in mots, how much extra would it cost to make the pipes out of stainless steel, its profits over safety, great video Alan.
Just because you can play with the editing and keep cutting doesn't mean you have too, I was feeling rough after watching what was a good informative video.
As long as the message is the same, who really cares?
All braking would not be lost completely as all current vehicles have Duel system brakes to save you in this scenario . Pedal would be near the floor but would still pull you up . Greeting from Australia I use a mobile braketester here in NSW and this exact thing happened to me few years back but was front brake flexi line that failed
That MGS alert sound effect never gets old lol
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The elephant in the room is why manufacturers make brake pipes impossible...or very difficult to inspect throughout their length ? I've replaced a few over the years.
This very thing happened last year, but 5 mins after I had left the MOT Centre after having passed the MOT. Fortunately I noticed the brakes gradually failing and got home 2 mins later. So I would certainly recommend getting the WHOLE brake system checked, not just what you can see!!!!!!
Its a summer job for me checking all the brake pipes. Neighbours think I am mad checking and doing work on my car when most people just get in them and drive them, and as you say only worry about it when the mot is due. Needless to say my car has been very reliable, despite its age, and i put that down to my proactive maintenance. Of course anything can happen and i am not immune to breakdowns so pay my breakdown cover every year, just incase.
I'm always working on my cars, I keep a close eye on them and repair anything that needs it strait away, however my neybours have recognised that I'm a good mechanic and bring there cars to me so it's all good
It´s quite exhausting and difficult to check all brake pipes if you don´t have a car lift
common problem on the vectra c this Is. having it routed over the fuel tank totally dangerous imo because you can't see any corrosion and this should be a safety recall and be relocated. I've noticed on my vectra C the last owner must of had some brake pipe work done in this area because there seems to be 2 pipes joining together going over the tank. I definitely need to get mine changed.
This happened on my mk3 mondeo on the motorway a week after mot test, my flexi ruptured coming of the sliproad at 70 pedal went straight to the floor nearly took out a roundabout very scary, it first happened on a mk4 escort many
Mines just failed on this 😣 that a good mechanic to spot it.
Guess what, the pipe burst today on my 57 vectra whilst I was driving, my arse was nipping big style!
Mine did after slamming on to stop a car driving into mine.
My Mercedes has the same problem. I have found out it is a common fault. I had a rear ABS sensor fail and to do the job you have to remove the wheel arch liner. What I found shocked me having been working on cars for 60 years. The liner covered a badly corroded pipe that is not normally visible. Over 80 % of the brake pipes on this car run behind covers that are not visible for a routine mot.
your showing great integrity to worry about that and i see where your coming from but most cars have hidden pipes like that , ive had same happen to me to during mot test. pipe hidden above fuel tank same as yours. i drive quite sedately so ive been lucky that none have ever failed when driving
I always get my MOT'd and Serviced on the same day, the service always picked up something wrong that the MOT missed
3 months ago my boss motd an avensis estate passed it I got in it the next morning went to move it Fuck all brakes stuck it on the ramp front to rear brake pipe popped it's completely covered over by a long plastic trim the entire length of the floor pan
Thankfully the customer was OK about it we replaced the pipes and one fuel line as well
Classic case of test as presented
if you can't see it you can't fail it
I'm a vectra c owner. My brake pipe burst. Guess where... Under the clip! One month after its mot 😂
That's interesting I've had two brake pipes burst on me in 30 years but it was the flexi hoses both times on an escort and an uno. There wasn't any testing done in Ireland in the 90s so things were abit dodgy then. Now we've got the nct and to be honest it's a private company so lots of failures depending on the flavour of the month...
Alan is always saying good bye laughing like he just left a fresh one in the room. 8:01
I’m an mot tester and that brake pipe he actually burst for me on the roller brake tester on the odd occasion. Mercedes are common for the front to rear pipes to corrode badly in hidden areas too.
Why didn't the dual circuit preserve some of the braking power on test ?
Scary Alan as you said thank the feck it went at the test,
you would think something really important like brake pipes would be made of a material that does not corrode
VOSA no longer exists & changed its name in 2014 as it merged with the driving standards agency.. It's now called the DVSA.
Probably the best video you have done well done mate!!
cheers barry, that took 90 minutes and three cups of coffee lol
Some customers I've spoken to think a MOT is a service, I've had to teach them something new, it's a visual safety check, if you can't see it you can't fail it!
Yikes... You know there are countries in Europe where vehicles are inspected once every 2 years. I think there are US states that don't even have inspections. Its difficult to say really. Like you said. How much is minimum standard one day of the year when you might not even be able to see stuff like this worth?
Even as a DIY guy whenever i service a vehicle i always inspect it for signs of trouble. Its about all you can do really. The worst thing I've ever caught was completely destroyed track rod end. The one wheel was all floppy. It was on a Renault.
Allen. U are correct mate m.o.t.is for that time it was checked it was passed because it was safe at time it was examined Phil in stoke
My vectra c 2007 needs brake pipes and leaking badly, no brakes at all, very costly aswell..and also the swirl flaps on the Manifold common problem you go to limp mode.
I think it's ridiculous that new cars are still allowed to have steel brake pipes that can rust out where nobody can see them. All the daft stuff that's compulsory now in the name of safety but non-corroding brake pipes are optional... barmy.
👍replacement pipes are always copper. How long does this last, and why are OEM pipes plastic covered steel..which over time will corrode?
I'd prefer stainless...should last forever.
Don't worry, cant see it can't test it allan, inspection not examination vosas rules, imo the mot test needs updating its not fit for porpose
Yeah I know I have the same problem time to fix it
I've have same problem on truck hydraulic brakes on the test lane. I wouldn't have said anything on here if I was you. Just repaired it because you are making a rod for your own back with the White coat man. 47 years experience says so
As a mondeo guy it must have hurt working on a vectra.
lmao yes it did
@@alan4x .what are your thoughts of vintage cars not needing a m.o.t
@@alan4x bloody vaxhalls take a bin liner when ever you drive them to pick up parts that fall off lol
@@grahamrushin4384
My thoughts are, they have brought this in because they say people who own vintage cars generally look after them and maintain them etc,
I think it has opened up a new problem as poor people living hand to mouth with no disposable income can drive cheaply by buying a vintage car which doesn't require a mot/ has a cheap or exempt tax bracket and classic insurance which is a fraction of the cost of regular insurance,
Meaning poor people can get on the roads easier and are not going to be able to afford to maintain it and keep it in a road worthy condition, creating more danger on the roads
@@benking9503 You will find just about everyone with a modern car is "poor" they will do anything to avoid going into a dealer to buy parts for their car. Whilst MOT exempt cars do far less work and their owners enjoy keeping them up to scratch... They are certainly far less troublesome than a new car 😸
Good video. Does make you think about how much trust people into an Mot.
Btw does the vectra not have split system so you still brake on 2 wheels ? Regards Don
hi, yes it does so if a pipe burst you would have time to stop but the pedal will creep to the floor on sustained pressure
@@alan4x ..many thanks for that reply. I was in my mum's old mini as a teenager and she went down the hill and at the bottom of the hill was crossroads..... where we were supposed to stop/give way when she yells no brakes and starts yanking handbrake. Luckily no traffic and swung a left on the crossroads. As I recall it was a single line brake system. Jeez that was a close call. Many thanks for video. I was wondering how the mot worked out pressure on peddle for the mot.. but it sounds like you just sit there and push ya foot down. Regards Don.
lol, yes the tester just presses the pedal with as much force as possible
Excellent video here. What do you think of the Vectra C is it well engineered generally ? Is this breakpipe issue an engineering issue in that it is hard to access?
vector c are pretty good cars, the brake pipes are made of steel and coated but they corrode and some pipes are hidden ...it is the same for most cars
Pass and advise Alan, unable to check full brake pipes due to underbody components fitted?.
Doesn't this car have dual brake circuits? Surely one bust brake line should'nt disable the entire braking system?
it does and the brake pedal will not go straight to the floor so with a burst pipe you have a number of seconds under sustained pressure on the brake pedal but it will sink to the floor, although chances are you have time to brake and stop safely
That's alright then. Love the vids, especially the ones on the older 2007 2.0 Peugeot engine. I've got one in my C5 and can say for sure that the glow plugs will never be changed!
Guess whos here due to a burst astra brake pipe. Mum had MOT a few months ago now she lost brakes and i have to figure out how to replace the line now
Had this myself (2 BMW Minis & a Renault scenic so far this year). Nothing to be seen during visual inspection then pipe bursts on brake rollers. Always seem to be corroded at plastic clips where you cannot see what condition is. My advice is start engine & stand on brake pedal while your car is safely parked every once in a while. If nothing else it will save the MOT tester having to tell you that if you want to take your car home you're going to need a recovery truck!
This has just happened to my Vectra Elite 07 plate
Can I ask, how much did it cost to replace? Is there just one pipe or several?
Asking because my 08 Vectra is getting old and I'm considering getting the brake pipe replaced as a precaution.
@@worthlessdollar1 I replaced Just the 1, I paid £40
@@peterstayne3765 Thanks for reply, that doesn't sound too bad then.
@@worthlessdollar1 its all hours, parts arent expensive.
Mine has just gone I'm the same place, is it legal to reroute it?
This exact thing has just happened on my vectra. Out of curiosity how much would that fix cost at a garage? Or could I do it at home?
Batmamerc
Hi. You need to lower the rear subframe to get to the brake pipe that runs along the rear of the fuel tank and connects to the passenger rear hose.
It is a pain of a job. It could cost you a few hundred pounds at a garage
Do it your self and run the pipe where it’s easier to do as long as it’s secure
Add more insult to an injury when rear brake hoses go on a vectra c if only a slight un noticble leak it adds air to your clutch and you lose it then you stamp the brakes to try and stop and they pop left no brakes stuck in 5th at 40 mph 💩
How much did ya charge the customer? Just about to do mine, yes i own a veccy c.
about £80 i think but it is much easier to unbolt the rear subframe a bit and let it hang down..just gives enough clearance to get your hands at the rear of the fuel tank
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