Is NA Strong After All?! Chinese Top 100 GM vs NA Diamond Pleb | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2022
- An inter-server duell. That's a first! A fellow chinese GM recently started playing on the north american server and apparently got stuck in Diamond? Now that would be a wild confidence boost for our NA friends! But maybe Marines and Marauders are just IMBA over there. They have THE nation of guns after all.
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SIXKM: he can't even operate his own bio to avoid nova
also SIXKM: *F2 A move disruptor into bio army*
I think not enough emphasis was put on the fact that even though his disruptor shots were good, the disruptors themselves didn't have their own control group and were just walking into the bio while the first shot was on the way, that's really big when he keeps losing them for free and adds to the fact of running out of novas that could be protecting the stalkers.
He didn’t even run out of novas, most of the time he just never shot them. The low mmr instinct to just spam them all is bad but it’s better than letting all your ruptors die without shooting lol
If you can't control your disruptor just build colossi and A move
even pro players do this im starting to think im wasting my time messing with a separate hotkey
His disruptor shots were not good. Some were decent, but many of them didn’t zone the terran at all and he just ends up running his disruptors into his army. He uses his disruptors like my 3.4k toss.
I put my disruptor on hot key 😄
For a short period of time I was simultaneously a GM in China and a diamond on NA this season. My mmr was 4260 in both server, but the Chinese server lost a significant amount of people after the news that the server will shut down in mid January. So during the first days after a week into the season Chinese server GM requirements were as low as 4180 and that’s how I managed to clutch a GM. I lost my GM after a few days but I ended up getting masters on NA so overall not bad for me🎉🎉
woah why is the server being shut down?...
@@iamLI3 Blizzard decided not to work with the Chinese agency company(Netease) as they want more portion of income in China. They also want Netease develops mobile games under blizzard's IPs as they saw how much money they could get in Diablo immortal. However, Blizzard probably said they want complete control of mobile games (gain all the revenue) and will not pay Netease any money. The very first sign was around December, Blizzard suddenly announce that they will not work with Netease without finding the next agency company. And then we know some meeting information (between Netease and Blizzard) when we hear from the Netease announcement. For the majority of Chinese players, Blizzard shows their dishonesty and laziness time and time again through disappointing decisions (for example: getting political in e-sport) and less promising updates over the passing years. As a result, Blizzard games are not likely to gain much revenue if any Chinese companies want to the agency (due to the losing fan base). I wish this information could help you understand the reasons for shutting down the server in China and why not a single company in China want to agency Blizzard's games.
@@iamLI3In short
The fucking blizzard want more money and the Chinese company said no
@@stormavenger3728 wow , so after all that hard work they did to destroy their brand so they could gain access to the chinese gaming market , they went and destroyed that relationship too because the chinese wanted money and control and with a surprised pikachu face blizard said no they want all the money and control , good i hope they all crash and burn......
@@iamLI3 The law in China requires foreign companies to have some form of agency or joint venture to enter the Chinese market. Netease has done a great job in the agency, for example, maintaining servers in China (CN server), holding e-sports events(even after Blizzard stops updating their games), and keeping workshops in the CN server (for WOW, now we see many workshops destroy the environment of other servers). I think it is fine if Netease takes some money and the meeting between Netease and Blizzard was all about this issue. I think the real issue here is Blizzard being too greedy. Overall, we shall see want will Blizzard do in January.
I wish all of my protoss opponents played like that.
Hahahahahaha Hamster's zoom-in edit on you after you finished the sock-on-your-dong-analogy really killed me. Hahaha please keep it coming (you two obviously) IODIS series has come such a long way and is one of my really awaited yt releases
"You have 2 cold feet and only 1 sock, and you put it on your ........."
Oh man that was a good one.
I like!
And especially great with the editor’s visual additions!
that diamond terran probably got a massive ego boost from this video
Or he's a smurf GM that is trying off race.
@@walden6272 crappertard
Probably the best coaching/replay review I've watched.
Agreed, great information in this one
nice editing Hamster
wish you all the best for the next year
Thanks mate, same back to you!
@@hamster_designs thank you
"you have zero preparation for the money that is coming"
I wish I can say that about my life
8:04 This 3rd mine movement was particularly clever: He dropped in the main but was able to use the high ground to harrass probes in the natural as well! Probes in the main were pulled, but those in the Natural were not, so this mine by far got the best shot. It even almost splash damaged the probes running from the main, this shot was ALMOST Godlike!
“碗一样大的EMP”, EMP
Bigger than a bowl, specific Chinese style 😂
Those Chinese noodle bowls are tall and mighty
new IODIS got me acting real unusual at my job
"shouldn't you be working" they ask
no, watching IODIS will make me a more efficient worker than anything else I could accomplish today
Are you a SCV ?
But what you failed to understand is that widow mine drop being late (but still only having 3 mines in it) is actually tactical. Not only does it ensure the protos has decided there isn't a widow mine drop coming and thus moving out to not defend it, the lack of 4th mine makes the protos paranoid about not seeing the 4th mine and thus starts looking around thier bases for a while rather than actually playing the game, letting the terran get further ahead.
I think you're giving a diamond player way too much credit
@@space_orphan I'm mostly being sarcastic. There can be advantages to weird timings, but what a late widow mine drop gains in out of position stalkers it loses in increased map vision and lower percentage economic damage, so it's utterly pointless even if it was intentional. The lack of a 4th mine is also just stupid, a diamond protos isn't going to realise there should have been 4 mines.
I find it very surprising that a Top-100 Grandmaster of the CN server doesn't know the maps well enough to know where the reaper jump in spots are. This is New-Map-101 for any half decent Starcraft 2 player. It's the first thing you try to learn when you try a map for the first time (as well as watchtower locations, dead space for Libs, and best cannon rush spots, etc)
Because most decent players on CN server doesn't actually play on CN server. Instead they play on Asian/Korean Server. Some of them plays European server as well with around 200 ping. But mostly when they are training they play on KR server. So on CN server, there isn't a huge difference between diamond and grandmaster.
Can we get back to the gold/silver league submissions for this series? Those are insanely hilarious. Or.. you could start a new series about something similar to bronze league heroes? You’re the perfect person for it
what upsets me about the no gg is that a diamond player managed to beat your higher level and absolutely deserved praise even if it was your fault
Why are you hounding others to provide validation?
I'm sure the no GG made the Diamond's victory even sweeter
I really don't get this stupid obsession with "gg" that people have. It's a tournament (and I guess highest level ladder) thing, most people on ladder don't say it. I usually don't say it either, I'll sometimes say "wp" when I'm in good mood and don't feel like the game was annoying bullshit but that's about it. People on internet watching scII replays always acting like it's some super meaningful thing is kinda cringe to me.
@@kadiea8664 It's called good sportsmanship something that I realize is probably dead these days. But yeah just forget about being a decent person.
@@Broformist I think you must be facing a some salty opponents, it's generally the assumption that leaving the game without a word means you mad
Really like the format upgrades and throwing out the skill/unit boxes for discussed upgrades.
I guess more stars did indeed meant more skill
26:53 This is the fighting style of well known boxer Homer S.
Can confirm, more stars is more skill
This is echosoldier's alt account where he plays terran and absolutely owns like he claimed in the imbalance complaint form
Can confirm, that's canon!
Damn I love the Chinese report forms the most. They are always enjoyable
Maybe 50% of the time Harstem starts an analogy, I think, "there is no way that he's going to be able to bring this home and it make even a modicum of sense." I'm almost always so wrong. The rest of the time I'm just mostly wrong. It's impressive to watch. Hats off to you, from a bottom 100 protoss.
Can we get an IODIS gg counter of just how many submitters didnt gg?
What does Harstem in a bunnysuit at the paintball range look like? 😂 now I'm dying to see those photos hahaha
it's special how everytime he slects a disruptor shot, it moves back lol
Dude, I love these reports, keep em coming.
But I think Terran got a rly good macro as a diamond player. Nearly pure stalker VS bio is pain to watch 😊
Yeah, that was very good macro. Can be hard to tell from resources banked because terran queuing, but even with losing big chunks of marauders they very quickly got up another sizeable bio force, got pretty fast upgrades, amd Also had a pretty good army comp, with a lot of marauders, a few Mariens, transition into a good number of +2 liberators and a few ghosts. Made far to many medivacs, but aside from that it was bassically as good as he could get.
BGMSS suggestions: DnD dice to decide building order to build. Roll every time to build. Except pylons
I do have to admit that literally everyone who submits an IODIS is better than me at this game 😶
You're automatically better though because you know you suck and dont claim anything is imba
Including TheSeed from that Purity and Industry game?
@@lelouchvibritannia7809 I don't remember that one by name, but I'm already giggling from imagining the utter clusterfuck that game must be if you point it out like that xD
even the silver league Protoss who lost to widow mines?
Terran massively ahead the whole game - 10 workers and 4 bases worth of mules. Never really takes worker damage at all, and mostly hits the protoss over and over.
The only reason this guy was in the game was because the terran walked his units into novas over and over.
Harstem - flames protoss for building stalkers in every game, Harstem - builds mass stalkers in every game.
I love how he complains about sensor towers giving his opponent "OP" pseudo-vision (i.e. just a warning not actual vision of what's there) just before a key fight meanwhile he has invisible flying units with high vision range that allowed him to catch and kill like 40 supply for free 😆
just perfect for my burger, thank you cpt. from germany
I prefer cheese for my burger. So I kinda wish this had been a cannon rush :p
Those disruptor charges are insane. He nas to realize that those whirling blades disruptors have deal no damage and are not good as shields too
realy good edit Hamster 👌
3:14 LOL That made my day :D
Marry New Year Celebrations Everybody!
When you mention the problem of the tutorial, i beat the campaigns without realizing how to get a hive. So my only anti -air was spores, queens, and kerrigan. Not the easiest way to play.
How ... is ... that ... even ... possible??? I am not joking, or judging, just, how???
Did you mean lair? Don't some of the missions start you with hydras?
Was eating, almost choked on the "bowl" part :D
Maannn Harstem where do you get all these story tellers? ( I love it 😆😆 )
Confirmed where Harstem wears his one sock, TRUST HIM!
I haven't played Starcraft in over 15 years, so I have no idea what's going on. The terminology being used is foreign, but I still watched to the very end. Les go!
Love Harstem ❤
while "it scares one for life" is a valid sentence, the normal English idiom is "scars", that is to say, leaves a permanent disfigurement or emotional trauma.
You're a content MACHINE!
Love your analogies! Do you just come up with them on the fly? Or do you sit around with friends drinking and thinking then up? And while I am sure this series is made for you to roast people, have you ever actually found IMBA?
I know he's complained about sensor towers before... not in IMBA, but in one of his games or when he was talking about balance patch... forget where, but I know he's mentioned them before. Also the guardian shield and anti armor thing that he mentioned in this video he's made comments about before... other than that I don't think so hah.
ghosts / EMP are extremely strong, BC are hard to deal with at lower levels, widow mines get way more value than they should sometimes, but he's never said it's imba
yay harstem !
The friction with sock over dong sound more warming than a sock on one food
which Type of food? Burger? Pizza?
Welcome to NA (⌐■_■)
"I dont know if you do bachelor party in China"
Dude you need to look up what they do on the day picking up the bride
hi harstem big fan here
I think the editing of this video some of them is a bit too much
multi screen is not nessary it's quite distant to be honest
Found the terran
I want that bachelor tradition lol; I have never heard of paintball and bunny suits but I'm down.
This is often why NA can be considered as harder. It is because the gameplay you face, no matter what level you are at, is so inconsistent with its timings (like the mine drop, though 1-2 base allins have massive variety in timings, even if they're exactly the same as the last game you played) that you just die to something that hit 2 minutes later than it normally should, because you started macroing. 50% of games on NA is just 'if I just did X, then Y would not happen' and usually that X takes only 2 clicks to do.
@15:26 Pure Gold Right Here LOL
1:27 aoe 4 reference nice!
5:20 I just realize it, why does Pylons have A kill count on its stats? Does the kills from Units that get warp in a pylon counts as a kill for the pylon?
I've always wondered how the skill levels at different MMRs compared between different servers. I mean, there isn't a lot of cross play, right? So I don't know if there is anything to necessarily keep the levels consistent with each other
"I've always wondered how the skill levels at different MMRs compared between different servers. "
I mean, you can just play on whatever server you want (except CN).
The general rule is KR > EU > NA > SEA. Although anecdotally (back during heart of the swarm) the gap between EU and NA was not that large, like maybe half a division. SEA...I never bothered connecting to SEA but from all I heard it was a joke. I remember someone saying that everyone on SEA just connected to KR or NA anyway, so anyone who wanted to could basically go on SEA and get GM if they just played enough games.
And KR was miles ahead of everyone else, as you might expect, like...probably two divisions higher at some points on ladder.
CN, of course, you can't connect to, due to the great firewall.
The peeing on your dad's car story seemed oddly specific... 🤔
So, being a NA diamond pleb myself (4400 on random), I know that going to KR I get shit on by platinums and go 50/50 against gold.
Now we see a NA diamond pleb beats CN GM.
KR gold>CN gm
You may have not vowed to defend North America, but North America has vowed to defend you.
BGWSS idea: try to use combined recall from mothership and nexus to teleport your army into enemy base. There is a bug which missplaces units that are recalled by both mothership and nexus in the same time.
You have the strangest analogies. 😄
I've noticed that in a lot of protoss IIDOS forms they don't know that Immortals exist.
I'm 3,6k Terran EU
I think I would win 1 out of 3 games vs China grandmaster.
Maybe 1 out of 4.
Seeing Protoss army with almost pure stalkers brings 2 words to my head.
Free win. Usually when you get to position when maruders can shot stalkers, then you know you are good.
It's like punching a man with armor. And you punch and punch and punch, and suddenly armor gets destroyed, and you see the skin. That how it feels to me when I get pass zealots, archons, when i dodged storms and purification novas, and finaly get to stalkers.
And SIXKM just took the armor off, for free, without a fight. Decided to tank all the shots by his face, and now is surprised he lost.
Sure Protos micro and macro were better. But tanking shots with a face is a horrible strategy.
If this was rank roulette i would guess master 3 or D1.
By my observations, usually master is a league, when players starts to have micro and macro. When harstem is not flaming too much the build order. But the difference between low master and high master is understanding the game mechanics, and having a good plan. Understanding what is happening on map and responding.
Here we had a good micro and macro. Micro and macro was way better then mine.
But ... God. Seeing how this dude just exposed stalkers realy seemed like a gift to a Terran.
thinking about the MMR difference got me thinking, imagine if someone submitted one of these to Harstem and it turned out that they were just playing against uThermal during a challenge run. it'd be glorious
I would suspect it's uthermal if the micro is excellent.
Wait this literally happened though, in an episode where the Protoss complained about cyclones and mines.
I thought Protoss by habit drop a few gateways each time they add a base.
GG count on IODIS, when??
Surprise SolidMonk 🧦😂
Yes it's technically correct, if the "planned attack" happens right after you get attacked it becomes a counter attack.
Arrogant GM toss gets humbled by diamond terran. Love it.
No GG because it hampers his micro to open IODIS complaint form 😂
Oh geez I'm a D2 Terran NA and this D1 Terran is WAY better than me. Like he has decent macro, 400+ APM during fights, sieges libs in the middle of fights and not in a dumb way, etc.
I dunno if I can get to D1 if all the D1 Terrans need to be this good. :/
He probably has rapidfire enabled for the liberator sieges
How big is this bowl that it's the same size as EMP?
Half screen big. Diameter of 5 inches
nice lol also those high tech aoe units :D.....
Who woulda thought guy from propogandaland comes to NA and finds out his MMR isn’t as big as he thought
Guy laughs at Terran for lack of bio control then looses 20 or more disruptors to bio 😂
Yeah but he ignores that so it's fine
4 mins in and im laughing my ass off
Wait if sensor towers aren't imba why are they getting nerfed?
bro using disruptors as if they were banelings lol
Harstem you pronounced his name wrong, its spelled "3,728 miles"
Chinese people write the best imbalance report forms ever.
Came here to say that.
So apparently, turns out im a chinese master just playing in NA xD
*Grandmaster. Top 100 - supposedly.
My fav series now, because you quit sc2day
Maybe NA has the better top 20% players?mid-high tier commanders are 🤔 abundant?
But then the Chinese top 100 was underestimating his opponent. His opponent seems more of a macro player. Once he gain a footing in the game he will slowly solidify the victory.
See? disruptor isn't imbalanced. Terrans just need to make less mistakes.
He's allowed his Chinese overlords to crush his creativity.
NA REPRESENT
It's Terran, if you lose you suck, simple as.
Is that DRG at 4:10?
The only Dong allowed by tos
Kevin Dong, currently Frost Giant lead game designer
@@itsQuilow are you serious???!?!?? Degeneracy like that isn’t allowed on RUclips
yeah protoss units are as fragile as paper when pitted against terran bio
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about EU high silver low gold level
If he is actually GM in China well... i guess they suck even harder than the NA server 🤣🤣🤣 that's the only take we can get out of this.
AOE unit XD
Age of Empires must give harstem a lot of money 😂
Holy jesus how does that guy have any mmr rating at all. He basically right click moves his casters into a meat grinder immediatly after building the unit. The worst unit control ive ever seen. Guy belongs in Soggy Wet Cardboard League
I guess NA is the best server now 🤔😆
Shouldn’t the Medivacs be targeted first? They provide so much health and tankiness. I always see people shoot at them last.
Units ignore them until all nearby damage-dealing units are dead. If you want to focus Medivacs, then you target multiple Medivacs with individual small groups of Stalkers so as to not overkill. That's super hard to do in the middle of a fight. And I don't even think it's worth it, sometimes it's best to reduce the opponents DPS outright by killing a few frontilne units. In a long, non-bursty engagements, Medivacs provide a lot more value
As a pure sc2 viewer: If you kill the medivacs, the enemy has their dps units left and will walk over you. If you kill their dps units, the medivacs will fly away, but they won't destroy you. Maybe that's part of the reasoning?
This is top100 in china? Wow
They don't really play Starcraft there. It's probably top 100 in his city and there's only a few hundred players.
Paintball at a Bachelor party? Normally we just hire strippers.
Yeah America is a pretty sexually depraved place. Modern day Sodom and Gamorrah. Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you're committing adultery in your heart, what a strong start to a marriage.🤦 And ya'll probably confused why divorce rate is over 50%