One industry away from abandonment CNUR 8 scrapes trees Wabash Central Railroad Operation Lifesaver
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2020
- CNUR 8, an ex Illinois Central GP11 and still in IC Operation Lifesaver livery works on the Wabash Central railroad. The reporting mark CNUR stands for Connersville and New Castle, a sister railroad that uses the same crew. The first time I filmed old #8 she was assigned to another sister railroad, the Maumee and Western (MAW). When the MAW was sold off to Pioneer Railcorp, the locomotives were not included in the sale so #8 was transferred here.
The Wabash Central Railroad's yard is in Bluffton Indiana, right off their class 1 interchange partner Norfolk Southern. From Bluffton the line extends east to Craigville and west to Van Buren Indiana. The line was once part of NKP's Cloverleaf Division, running from Toledo Ohio to Marion Indiana and eventually St Louis Missouri. Most is abandoned, bits and pieces remain buried in the weeds between Van Buren and Marion. East of Craigville the line is completely gone until Landeck Ohio. From there the CF&E Railroad operates a small branch that connects with their former PRR main. North of the PRR to Grand Rapids Ohio. At GR is the TLEW scenic line which basically is embargoed track with historical equipment on it.
I start off the video showing scenes of the Wabash Central's furthest west track at Van Buren Indiana. Here the #8 waits tied down while the Weaver Popcorn plant unloads 5 BNSF hoppers. I would make 2 more trips out here before finally catching the crew leaving town. Weaver is an infrequent shipper, mostly using intermodal containers on trucks. Once/If they stop using rail, trains will no longer come to Van Buren Indiana. I followed them east, some places the cut through the woods barely allows the train to pass! On the west side of Warren Indiana they cross over the Salomonie River bridge. In town they pass Salomonie Grain which last used rail in 2016. The site of a canning plant is to the north of the rails but that business no longer uses rail either.
The crew cuts away from the BNSF hoppers at the east end of town. The have had ethanol tank cars stored on every spur along the line. They can only move 5 out at a time per FRA regulations. They had 3 near the east but another on the west side of Warren so they shoved out to pull them all to the east end of the siding. Once they had 5 hooked on behind the hoppers they departed east. I filmed them once more, yet again by another business that had kissed rail service goodbye!
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This short line just needs to do some serious marketing. Don't wait for clients to appear - go get 'em !!
Yep! About 30 years ago I knew an old guy that was in the Real Estate department of NS. His job was to "create" customers for the railroad.
I agree! Go get em!
Yes, looks like they need some serious, aggressive sales professionals.
Psr a vine strangling rail traffic
@@GilmerJohn This sounds like a story. Care to elaborate?
This is one of the best railfan videos I’ve seen in a long time. The video is so vibrant and crisp with excellent angles. Looks like you had a great time filming this with your son. Thanks for sharing
This would be incredible to model as a “shelf-type” layout, with crazy track and all grown over.
You never see “green tunnels” on train layouts.
Did anyone else find this video to be super soothing and comforting to watch? Great content...Actually loved how quiet and slowly the train moved through nature here.
I like this little railroad...its like the little engine that could,and does!
Except that "little" engine weighs half a million pounds and has 36,000 horsepower
Floppychzcake I’m sensing a foamer in the chat.
@@floppychzcake7936I don’t think they meant it literally
Railfanning is such a depressing hobby seeing once busy lines go up in weeds. But it's still interesting watching short lines make the best of it. Great video. Thanks!
Some lines are depressing. A few have offered some refreshing upgrades or new business won.
@@ScottTaipaleRail this looks like Weaver Popcorn. Forget the town, but believe it's in Indiana
Ok, just seen the Van Buren town hall. I've been here a few times as a truck driver.
@@lesismore7478 Weaver popcorn used to give us driver's big bags of fresh popped corn when ever we made drops there. Was some of the best. Some didn't have husks. Real clean variety.
Engineer: what's seems to be the problem, officer?
Railroad Police: you have a headlight out.
Engineer: Oh that...been meaning to fix it.
Railroad Police: step out of the locomotive....
Railroad police: Where are you coming from, where are you going, how much have you had to drink, is there anything inside the loco that I should know about, any guns, knifes, drugs, bazookas, bombs or dead body's? Do mind if I search the loco?
If RUclips comes back in a few days and asks me "What did you think of this video" you're getting 5 gold stars with oak leaves and palm fronds. With whip cream and a cherry on top. And an angelic choir singing in the background. That was amazing. :)
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That is an excellent video. The drone footage inter-spaced with the trackside video makes for a wonderful trip down the line.
At 6:40 to 6:50 I love the way that the man in a high vis jacket walks along in front of the locomotive and then disappears like a ghost! lol:)
Creative but also sad because it reminds me of how much life is left with this line that once had traffic.
There is an old brakeman's adage: "Don't walk when you can ride; don't stand when you can sit." Unnecessary walking gets pretty old by the end of a twelve hour day.
Used to visit my uncle Bob Fincannon in Van Buren back in the ‘60’s. He was chairman of the annual popcorn festival. Norfolk & Western operated the line back then. Thanks for the flashbacks, Scott
You nailed that one! Outstanding video. The drone shots make all the difference.
What some delightfully rustic scenes.
That's a popcorn plant is it? Well I never.
This is the perfect inspiration for a little HO scale railroad!
Wonderful video. Love rural American railroad videos. Superb shots!
Perhaps if they provided better service they wouldn’t have lost all those customers !
I love this video. I have dreamt all my life of the place where the line ends, petering out into wilderness, and here I see that those lines might revive, and breathe new life into places I might have heard of, but never thought much about before.
Thank you!!
Yep..... Reminds me of that classic Simpsons episode "Have you ever heard of...." well, they don't have a Monorail!!
Lovely, gentle jogg along the line....
tooSavvy @Lockdown(easing) UK
That drone footage is spot on! Keep up the good work!
Thank you!!
Thanks for the information and video. Nice mix of airial and ground footage. Recording small town short lines. And a great activity between father and son!
I have to compliment you on the camera work.
I can't imagine how many batteries you had to have prepped for all your equipment.
I'd wish more content providers pt up their equipment lists.
Thank you for the video. As a kid growing up in Upland and hanging out with my cousins in van Buren this meant a lot. The old co-op is gone, lil van buren hanging on. Great photography work there!
That is good and a person is better off in a small town than in a large city.
The quality of this video is incredible! Bravo!
Thank you!!
This was a really great video 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Very entertaining..
For such a undertaking to be so slow yet, very entertaining..
And your son must absolutely love this... You're an amazing father sir.. Keep up the good work..😎👍
Great footage Scott, and thanks for the detailed info about the footage 👍👍
Thank you!! You’re welcome!
This is so sad :-( watching old dependable railroads eventually dry up and disappear like this. I saw it happen with an old Penn Central line I lived next to back in the 70's. I was a kid at that time watching several long trains with the smoking Alcos pulling long freight daily between Rochester and Niagara Falls. Then Conrail took over Penn Central in the mid-70's and trains still continued to run along the line up until 1993. Fifteen miles of the track was removed in 1994 between Lee Rd in Rochester and Owens Rd in Brockport. Now it's a shortline from Niagara Falls to Holley and there's only a couple of businesses still standing along that route.
Until Conrail it was a shortcut to Detroit for auto parts trains. It was cheaper to run them via an all-US route so the Falls Road was downgraded.
@@CR7659 You sound like the guy to ask this question. What do you know about the old abandoned line that ran through Churchville, Byron, Elba and Oakfield? When looking at it on Google maps, it appears to be a reroute of the Westshore. Can you provide any information on that old line?
@@railroadmcdailroad1565 That is the West Shore. It crossed the current main line at Churchville and ran into Buffalo to the north of the current main line. It went through the quarry west of Buffalo and then under the Thruway, south of the airport, part of Galleria Drive is on the right of way, and the northern half of Frontier Yard was once the West Shore yard.
@@CR7659 Do you happen to know when the line went out of service? Do you have any links I can check out?
@@railroadmcdailroad1565 in 1967 it was in service from Walden Ave. to Oakfield. It served a big Gypsum mine there. It lasted either up to Conrail or just after. About 1960 the portion between Oakfield and Chili came out.
Excellent video Scott. Good coverage of a struggling short line.
Small correction;
CNUR 7 served up on the MAW. 8 came straight from CNUR when 6 was planned to be sent south.
Otherwise, I’m glad I was able to help you get them! Great clips!
Thank you for such a great quality and perfect explanation. I'm new to rail fan culture and this has inspired me to want to attempt to produce something of my own.
Thanks for the hard work you put into this!!!
Very well done. Thank you
Thank you
Nice video - thanks for sharing!
🚂🚂Great video Scott,thanks for the time and effort.🚂🚂🚂
Awesome!! Thank you for posting.
Thank you for watching!
Great video. Excellent editing capturing the train and the beautiful countryside.
wow what a refreshing viewing point perspective ! great quality ;)
Great Vid. Scott and the description was very informative.
Thank you!!
This was like watching someone play with a train set. Great cinematography
Thank you very much!
Keep them coming. Great video!
Fantastic videography, really enjoyed this clip.
Thank you!!
Very good video that captures the workings of a remote American rural railway. During our UK lockdown I have watched a lot of railway videos from around the world and particularly the USA. There are a lot of USA street running videos, but this really captures something else. I love the drone footage.
This is a wonderful story, that needed to be told. It reminds me of my own difficulties of this last year, where I was and where I am now. The old Grange ethos; endeavor and of course perseverance.
Btw, the space shuttle was named Endeavor after our local grade school submitted that word in a nationwide contest. I was the one who submitted the word to the grade school. Growing up a Kansas farm kid, that word was a huge part of my upbringing.
Deligthfull camera shots !!!!. Nice railroad
Excellent work!
Awesome video one locomotive short train Illinois freight train abandoned track never been used for many years keep up the good work friend bless you
beautifully shot dude
Excellent drone footage
Dig this. Nicely done. And thank you.
Thank you very much
Very picturesque, nicely done!
Thank you
Fantastic! good scenes!
This is a beautiful video!
Well done.
I like how the audio was laid in with the drone footage, especialy the scene where the hoppers are brought up to the tank cars, nicely done.
Thank you! It’s a lot of work to get proper audio to the drone footage.
Awesome video Scott.
Thank you!!
Great Video
Another great video Scott!
Thanks for watching
Beautiful footage. Well edited. Nice job!
Just found your channel. This is very nice drone operation I must say. Am definitely a fan. I really like your focus in this video on small industrial operations and all of the background information to build the story. Excellent !!!
Great video...
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching
fantastic video! Thanks!
Thank you
Good views!
Thank You so much for posting this! I grew up by a short line railroad that operated similar to this. It was a spur of the Seaboard Coastline defunct in 1987. The speed and look of the locomotive and rolling stock are quite similar from what I recall from childhood. Beautifully done! :-)
Thank you very much
@@ScottTaipaleRail thank you!
I grew up by the Illinois Central tracks and the Grand Trunk Western and Milwaukee Road tracks. Still see some of the old Illinois Central engine's every now and then on the CN lines.
Slowly but beautiful :)
Awesome video!
awesome pictures!
Thank you
Great camera work Scott fabulous views from various angles and heights
Thank you very much
Be a nice place to ride the speeder .
I bet!
This is awesome!
Looks like those crossing signs have seen better days.
Great video Scott!!!
Thank you!
@@ScottTaipaleRail Your welcome!!
I really like and enjoy how Scott's photography is so carefully structured. Obviously drones are used for the aerial pictures which I think are great.
That lawn must take a lot of maintenance. Looks great. :-D
Now THATs what I call a good video. No real interest in US railroads, but happily watched that right through, well done Sir!!
Awesome video w the use of a drone! Totally enjoyed this video and look fwd to checking out more my friend. Thanks again and watching from the state of Delaware.
Nice drone work!
Man they use some old rail lines. Seems like the small rail carriers will be a thing of the past before long. Great video.🇺🇸
ya more companies are lining up their business to main direct lines rather than sub lines for faster and easier access for trains to these companies and its also cheaper for the company, soon small rail trains will be obsolete and are being phased out. This also means that small plants are also on the verge of being outed too and bigger main stream companies will gobble them up for asset's. Most still do work by transporting it by truck then to a main load site to where it gets loaded onto a train, but even that could be fully bought out by one company at some point.
Its good for us because it does make it cheaper for us as consumers, but at the same time when a company becomes such a monster it becomes hard for people to make their own company and then they are basically stuck between this companies pay rate for their crops or hope to find another that pays more....
@@IloveJellow This taking over of small companies can have a lot of negative effects as well. Small towns will become like these small train lines. Weeds growing in the cracks and boarded up factories. House's for sale. Will be a change for the worse or new opportunity for something to take it's place. Even old lines like the PennCentral has lost a ton of traffic to the BNSF to the north here in Indiana. But I hear that there is a huge demand for new Semi tractors this coming year. Might be some good news. I know traffic on the highways has really picked up.🍺🍻
@@jamesakers1175 it all depends really unfortunately democrats like to defund these people that wanna start farming business this could hurt budding farmers trump even though he is an less then favorable has boosted our farming community within these last 4 years this says a lot. Farming is very expensive nowadays anything that keeps them going keeps us going.
@@IloveJellow Yes it is expensive to start a new farming business. I had read somewhere that China owned a third of our farm ground. I don't know if that is true but if it is it should not be. They do own a lot of our Treasury bonds and the such. America needs to rebuild our mfg.and sources here not there.
Great to see a Death Star still in action. This loco was originally built for the UP then became ICG and IC 8704, according to rrpicturesarchive.net. The scenes remind me of the Illinois Central "Punkin Vine" that served my hometown until 1980.
hello scott excellent video just found your channel and subscribed love short line action from graham in the uk
Well done! Nice steady camera and drone footage and good sound.
Thank you!!!
Good documentation of the Cloverleaf! Great video! Those slow trains are hard on drone batteries. 😉
Thank you! Lol I can burn up a lot of electricity waiting on them!
great video liked hope fully this rail line same how keep being used sad 👍😢🛤
6:47
It's a goddamn ghost!
Hahaha
Hahaha
Hooooo👻 lol trying to get someone's hairs to stand on end🤣
Nice drone shots
Great video. Would be neat to see some of the old line around Richmond, Indiana that Amtrak's National Limited once ran on ... I know some of it is a corn field now ...
Loved seeing a train emerge from the trees and weeds.
Thank you!
Most realistic layout l have ever seen
great video bro
Thank you
Great photography and video quality. They definitely need to borrow one of NS's right-of-way clearing saws - I have no idea what they're actually called - but I saw one in use years ago when I had the old Southern Rwy. Richmond-Danville line behind my house. The cutting blade was enormous, and it cleared a swath I'd estimate to be at least 10 feet on either side of the track. I hope they can stay in business and get some of their lost traffic back, and find a way to make some modest improvements to the physical plant.
Wow the engine that does it all
Finally a train in Van Buren
I have been trying for years. Every time I know they have one out here they leave before I make it. They had problems with short air hoses which bought me the time I needed!
Awesome!
Thank you
very cool
look at that rail, I'm kind of amazed that the train stays on track.
The ties are still pretty solid
Hard to believe this was once a heavily traveled main line. Did NS ever operate it or was it sold off before hand?
NS owned it for a year or two, CERA owned the line west of van Buren
Yes I like it to is the remote railroad that serves to people.
The rails are still there.If there is demand,they could imporve the infrastucture very quickly..Greetings from Germany !
Greetings! I do hope an new industry builds along the line but the towns are very small with little workforce, hard to attract industry.
Woah, old Wabash R.O.W!!! Foaming at the mouth here, that old ROW through se Iowa is hallowed ground, if you can trace it through the rolling meadows and woods encountered unrelentingly. In Marion county, Iowa there are several, and I mean several old ROW'S WITH FULLY ABANDONED yet functioning truss bridges!!! I highly recommend taking a tour of that area, se Iowa is chalked full of historical and still standing railroad artifacts. The bridge at Harvey, iowa specifically is breathtaking as to not only how old it is, but how bloody sturdy the ol' wrought iron bitch still remains to this very day!!! Built in 1878 or thereabouts as an access for the rock island to Harvey iowa, the ol girl STILL FULLY FUNCTIONS as a single lane road bridge with a concrete decking. The piers need some TLC, and the Iowa wilderness slowly encroaches upon it with large trees growing over and up against the bridge. But FIRM she holds, and won't be coming down without a fight. The old Wabash line ran parallel to old cb&q row where they separate near tracy, iowa, with the old Wabash line bending to the nw of Harvey and crosses the des Moines river on an abandoned through truss used now as a trail. The area was known for mining back then, and that becomes apparent after stumbling across old bridge piers and abuttements still standing in place, a testament to the thriving railway economy se Iowa once held.
Line has definitely seen better days
50 years ago
The tracks from Kokomo to Marion Indiana are still going they rebuild the tracks. They have good business their.
Grew up and lived within 1/2 mile of the Cloverleaf. Used to see hi-hood N&W units back in the 1970's, then ALCo in the Indiana Hi-Rail days. Now I work almost trackside in Warren.
Thank you, Scott, for documenting and thus preserving a bit of the history of this line. As others have already said the videography and audio have been superbly blended. The green of nature does make this so nice to watch.
As a note, you can still find some rail dating back to the 1920s in spots on this line.
I do hope that the closing of Salamonie Mills does not doom this line.
Just one question - how did you get the railroad to wash CNUR 8??😊
Thank you!