Having driven the Grenadier in CO Springs, with cash in hand, but didn’t take one home; my local dealer had multiple units in the right colors and trim I wanted on the lot, I couldn’t really put WHY into words until this video. Great summary! Add the terrible rearward vision, inability to fold flat the rear seats for sleeping inside/packing (for 2) for overlanding, and 1970’s steering. It’s NEARLY there but unacceptably overpriced/underspeced.
You should take advantage of the credits and get a Willys 4xe. It would be interesting to compare what a couple grand extra from the factory compares to your cheap Jeep and the additions you added.
Had the same experience with the JLR dealer charging $750 for an oil change, cabin air filter and new windshield wipers. Never again. That is completely and utterly ridiculous. Get a FUTOMO oil drain plug adapter and change the oil yourself. Very easy. Also, totally want to get a Grenadier to replace my FJ Cruiser. Wish I could keep them all, but there's no world in which a person needs a Hummer, a Defender, a FJ and a Grenadier.
Gonna miss the Ram 2500. Great truck and always loved the content it was featured in. The G wagon and Defender have the same issue in that even if you can afford the sticker price, maintenance will get you. Everything from oil changes and brake jobs up to real repairs will be more expensive. The Wrangler is super cool but even at $32k is still overpriced by about $5k. Need more Ranger Raptor content. I’d love to see it vs the new Tacoma Trailhunter.
Please get your hands on the Roxor Mahindra. Jeep Willy like side by side. I would love to see that thing put to the test. I owned a Jeep Compass 4x4 and it did fairly well off road. Biggest downside to that vehicle was they offset the rear wheels in the wheel well so you cant put bigger tires on it. Even if you gave it a lift. It's like they didn't want you to make it more capable.
I guess I’m in the minority as we have a 2016 Renegade with 110k miles. We’ve taken it across the country several times, have been off road in Utah & Colorado and the little thing just keep going. It runs smoothly and does not shake the way you describe. I guess when you have access to a lot of cars most can’t and or don’t want to afford, it gives you the right to be a bit boushie.
Went to Italy this summer. Those Renegades are everywhere. They carry the look of the older Fiat Pandas, which looked to be the standard farm truck. Imagine an Italian farmer trying an HD truck…
I’ve wrapped 3 cars for a previous business. I would not recommend it. Just the time alone to remove it alone is a pain not to mention potential damage if it’s “done right”.
Talking about the oil change on that defender, heck just take your little Polaris Ranger in for a factory oil change, I do all of my own changes but friend of mine just took his in and it's first service was a 20 point inspection with an oil change for $416
Not only is it cheaper to do your own oil change, it’s probably faster, too. Plus it’s a good opportunity to take a look underneath for leaks and other problems.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS HOPE THE NEXT YEAR IS EVEN BETTER! I look forward to you testing the G580 Mercedes Electric G wagen! and your assessment of it!
Credibility is always important in reviews, and the you say that the Ford ran circles around the Toyota in the off-road trail is ridiculous. 'm not a fan bot in any way , but in your own video you took the the tacoma on a substantially harder line, so I'm curious why you didn't take the raptor on that line if it's so much better?
I drive a 2016 GMC Canyon 2WD truck with a manual transmission. Since I don't have a garage for home charging, an electric vehicle is not practical in my daily life. However, ever since I heard about the compact Telo electric truck that is 152 inches long and available as a 2WD or all wheel drive, I have been very curious about it. I wanted a mid-sized truck to make parking in the city easier, but the Canyon is too big. When I used an indoor parking structure, I had to first get into the bed and unscrew the antenna because the truck was too tall. Every year, car manufacturers make so-called mid-sized trucks taller and wider, and car reviewers say it great that the trucks are bigger. I hate the size of the Canyon because where I live, my Canyon barely fits between the lines in a parking lot. If a Suzuki Samurai doesn't constantly tip over off-road because it's too narrow, then there's no reason to continue making mid-sized trucks bigger. When Telo is released at the end of 2025, customers will finally have a real mid-sized truck that can carry and tow like a full-sized truck.
@lonerider5315 The Telo gets 260 miles of range for the smaller battery and 350 miles of range for the big battery pack. It has 500 horsepower, 1600 lbs of payload, and it can tow 6600 lbs. The two original founders of Tesla are investors, and the guy who was responsible for getting the Nissan Leaf into production is consulting on the truck.
What happened to the GLS!?!? Am i the only one who was into that series? Please do more unique things this year... Im personally over jeeps and 70k+ super pick ups. We all already know those are going to be great offroad. I wanna see something challenging. Like what a lifted and modified crv can do.
I owned a 2015 renegade and it didn’t shake? I’d be willing to bet it had bad motor mounts, it is a known issue with those and the automatic transmission. I would put it in the same class as a crossover, not really a dedicated off road vehicle but then again the cyber truck isn’t either.
I like the Trail Boss but absolutely hate the G80. It's the weak link to the truck in my opinion, but also it's perfectly useful for the majority of people. I love Roman's G though, but not the color.
Jeep have priced their loyal customers out of the market and mis-read their needs. They would continue to sell bucketloads if you could get an entry level wrangler for sub-30K. Folks also want simple but bulletproof engines like the old 4.0. But trying to force customers to by 4XE is the total opposite - it adds weight, it adds cost, it adds complexity and it all comes at the expense of reliability.
I'd love to see that, I've wasted so many hours this year looking at them on Instagram. I wonder if they could bring one in on a show and display registration.
The 20g off is a lie from the dealer. I had a friend call and check and put a deal together and it’s false advertising with the Willy’s 4xe at the Colorado stealership.
If you get the 4 cylinder, you need the extended warranty. The Trail Recon guy's mechanic has replaced several of those engines just out of warranty. And it is expensive!
A compromise on the g wagon could be to leave the center hood cowl black but put red from the cowl body line outward Edit: nevermind. Not worth it if it's sold!
You guys are unbelievable. You dis the not so cheep Jeep, but rave about the Disco that’s at least $20k more, plus the Ranger Raptor is at least $25 k more. My Gladiator Sport S, with hardtop, automatic, ACC, rear radar cros traffic alert LED Taillights, LED lights everywhere except headlights plus heated seats and steering wheel, 12.3” touch screen plus 4 G LTE WIFI Hot Spot, with granted 245/75-17 HT tires with matching Chrystal Granite Metallic alloy wheels to match the body. All marked down from MSRP of $51,000, down to out the door price of $35,400! That’s one of the most comfortable trucks I’ve ever had, plus daily average of 18 mpg, 22 highway at 70 mph. Easily cruise along without ever touching the brake or gas pedal, that automatically follows the flow of traffic right along till it stops for 5 sec. with the adaptive cruise control. Only been off road on trails in Georgia running up some serious hills of loose sand an gravel, plus deep beach sand with ease, with the open differentials, just turned off the traction control and knowledgeably using the handbrake level to send a balance of power to both rear wheels.
Kase getting emotionally nostalgic with the classic Jeep is what makes him a tremendous man I’m sending you bear hugs bro. Ps can you believe that you are at the company now for 5 years. Now you get retirement benefits lol 😂 congratulations kase we love you Tommy And kase. your leaderships . Has really helped the company grow. Roman Is beyond proud of you
NO "MOON ROOF" AVAILABLE ON THE RANGER. THE WORST IS THE "RAPTOR R" DOESN'T HAVE A TORSEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For some reason your videos are all playing in a foreign language. It doesn't happen with any other channels. Wth? Tried setting the default back to US English and it doesn't work.
I would love to see a series of videos where you buy an old vw bug and show the process of turning it into a baja. Then, test it against modern off roaders. You can modify the engine but must stay an aircooled 4 cylinder. Suspension, steering, tires, and safety can be upgraded to your choice.
Getting rid of a Tacoma and even the Ienos being a Colorado company seems illogical. Not sure I understand what this channel is trying to accomplish. No wrenching or mods for offroad, which is fine, but what is goal of offroad channel? G wagon on trail, ya OK.
Those EV discounts and incentives are thankfully about to be gone. That Willy’s jeep is the best vehicle y’all have there. My grandfather had 3 of the 40’s models and I put those damn things through crap they should have never been in. They were proven in war and you can get yourself out of just about everything. They were easy and cheap to maintain which is obvious because so many are still running.
Means EVs will be similar priced. Dealers and manufacturers know consumers have those incentives, so they mark them up. So if they want to flip inventory now they better be competitively priced.
EV’s will be fire-sale’d after being unsold on lots for a year without incentives, and mfg’s will stop making them when the lack of incentives mean a lack of profits. If mfg’s were willing to make things for less profit, we would still see regular cabs and manual transmissions.
@Cloud30000 stopping making them😂😂 Maybe slow down, but everyday battery tech and manufacturing processes are being advanced. It's only a matter of time before it makes sense to go EV.
@Cloud30000 but if yoy really wanna kill EV sales. Get oil prices down, so the cost of a gas car can compare annually to an EVs running cost. I'm keeping my v8s, but I'm also not scared of the future or change.
Love the Ranger Raptor. Or for $10k more you can get the Toyota TRD pro Taco which is worse at everything. I just wish the Ranger had more aggressive styling like the Colorados.
I own a truck. F150. I live in the city and use the truck for towing a small camper. I never expect to drive off road and still I love these videos. You all make such high quality content that I can’t stop watching. Keep up the great work and happy new year.
I already purchased a solid off roader for dirt cheap since it is very broken and will need to put some money into. A 2008 VW Touareg V10 diesel with all the lockers.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yup. Looking at pulling the engine then new cam, new turbos, new gaskets, seals, alternator, etc.. Should take most of the winter working on it 3 days a week plus shipping times.
Tommy and Kase are definitely The Next Generation of TFL. Awesome year guys!
I do my own anyway, but $400 oil changes tell you everything you need to know about a dealer.
Having driven the Grenadier in CO Springs, with cash in hand, but didn’t take one home; my local dealer had multiple units in the right colors and trim I wanted on the lot, I couldn’t really put WHY into words until this video. Great summary! Add the terrible rearward vision, inability to fold flat the rear seats for sleeping inside/packing (for 2) for overlanding, and 1970’s steering. It’s NEARLY there but unacceptably overpriced/underspeced.
Our local dealer has a full lot of inventory. I’m now worried there will not be a better version.
A 4x4 Christmas Eve morning.
Happy Holidays!
@@TFLoffroadMerry Christmas!!!
Nothing better
You should take advantage of the credits and get a Willys 4xe. It would be interesting to compare what a couple grand extra from the factory compares to your cheap Jeep and the additions you added.
Loved the video gents! Kase and Tommy have such great chemistry!
Had the same experience with the JLR dealer charging $750 for an oil change, cabin air filter and new windshield wipers. Never again. That is completely and utterly ridiculous. Get a FUTOMO oil drain plug adapter and change the oil yourself. Very easy. Also, totally want to get a Grenadier to replace my FJ Cruiser. Wish I could keep them all, but there's no world in which a person needs a Hummer, a Defender, a FJ and a Grenadier.
Didn't stellantis have a stop sale on the 4xe for fire concerns?
Small pox > Cybertruck
Gonna miss the Ram 2500. Great truck and always loved the content it was featured in. The G wagon and Defender have the same issue in that even if you can afford the sticker price, maintenance will get you. Everything from oil changes and brake jobs up to real repairs will be more expensive. The Wrangler is super cool but even at $32k is still overpriced by about $5k. Need more Ranger Raptor content. I’d love to see it vs the new Tacoma Trailhunter.
Please get your hands on the Roxor Mahindra. Jeep Willy like side by side.
I would love to see that thing put to the test.
I owned a Jeep Compass 4x4 and it did fairly well off road. Biggest downside to that vehicle was they offset the rear wheels in the wheel well so you cant put bigger tires on it. Even if you gave it a lift. It's like they didn't want you to make it more capable.
I guess I’m in the minority as we have a 2016 Renegade with 110k miles. We’ve taken it across the country several times, have been off road in Utah & Colorado and the little thing just keep going. It runs smoothly and does not shake the way you describe. I guess when you have access to a lot of cars most can’t and or don’t want to afford, it gives you the right to be a bit boushie.
How can you evaluate an 80 or an 100 series of other or didn't have lockers? Landcruisers are valued for the quality, dependability, and comfort.
Happy Holidays gents! What a year for TFL!
Happy holidays!
Went to Italy this summer. Those Renegades are everywhere. They carry the look of the older Fiat Pandas, which looked to be the standard farm truck.
Imagine an Italian farmer trying an HD truck…
Good stuff, TFL!
Always loved the Jeep brand. But until Stellantis gets their head out of their ass, I’m not touching another one with a ten foot pole.
I’ve wrapped 3 cars for a previous business. I would not recommend it. Just the time alone to remove it alone is a pain not to mention potential damage if it’s “done right”.
Great job guys, Merry Christmas
Talking about the oil change on that defender, heck just take your little Polaris Ranger in for a factory oil change, I do all of my own changes but friend of mine just took his in and it's first service was a 20 point inspection with an oil change for $416
The two goats of TFL!
Merry Christmas, fellas & here's to a successful new year!
When are you going to drag race the GW??
Not only is it cheaper to do your own oil change, it’s probably faster, too. Plus it’s a good opportunity to take a look underneath for leaks and other problems.
The Ranger Raptor has been a bestseller here in Europe, too.
$37K for a bare bones Jeep that's kind of miserable on-road??? Makes the Ranger Raptor an absolute bargain.
how about a 2025 armada pro 4x, single cab sb 4x4 Silverado turbo max
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS HOPE THE NEXT YEAR IS EVEN BETTER! I look forward to you testing the G580 Mercedes Electric G wagen! and your assessment of it!
You guys reviewed the Pathfinder, how about this 2025 you review and off-road an Xterra? 😏
Whoa 😮 been slacking didn’t even know about TFL offroad
the jeep compass and renegade are the biggest POSs on the market
The grenadine would be about perfect if it had an actual full instrument cluster instead of a screen, and the price is over twice what it should be.
TFL/Tommy what about a few more upgrades (minimum needed) then do rubicon trail next year?
What happened to AEV Jeep used for filming?
Credibility is always important in reviews, and the you say that the Ford ran circles around the Toyota in the off-road trail is ridiculous. 'm not a fan bot in any way , but in your own video you took the the tacoma on a substantially harder line, so I'm curious why you didn't take the raptor on that line if it's so much better?
I drive a 2016 GMC Canyon 2WD truck with a manual transmission. Since I don't have a garage for home charging, an electric vehicle is not practical in my daily life. However, ever since I heard about the compact Telo electric truck that is 152 inches long and available as a 2WD or all wheel drive, I have been very curious about it. I wanted a mid-sized truck to make parking in the city easier, but the Canyon is too big. When I used an indoor parking structure, I had to first get into the bed and unscrew the antenna because the truck was too tall. Every year, car manufacturers make so-called mid-sized trucks taller and wider, and car reviewers say it great that the trucks are bigger. I hate the size of the Canyon because where I live, my Canyon barely fits between the lines in a parking lot. If a Suzuki Samurai doesn't constantly tip over off-road because it's too narrow, then there's no reason to continue making mid-sized trucks bigger. When Telo is released at the end of 2025, customers will finally have a real mid-sized truck that can carry and tow like a full-sized truck.
If don't mind 40 miles of range and maybe 50 mph tops😂
@lonerider5315 The Telo gets 260 miles of range for the smaller battery and 350 miles of range for the big battery pack. It has 500 horsepower, 1600 lbs of payload, and it can tow 6600 lbs. The two original founders of Tesla are investors, and the guy who was responsible for getting the Nissan Leaf into production is consulting on the truck.
80s Gwagon vs modern used!
Offroad only challenges
$400 oil change? Valvoline centers here in Cali would do that for $80 w synthetic while you stay sitting in your car taking maybe 10-15 minutes.
How is a 4Runner and Bronco better on-trail than the triple-locked G-Wagon? That sounds like a crazy thing to say.
What happened to the GLS!?!? Am i the only one who was into that series?
Please do more unique things this year... Im personally over jeeps and 70k+ super pick ups. We all already know those are going to be great offroad.
I wanna see something challenging. Like what a lifted and modified crv can do.
I owned a 2015 renegade and it didn’t shake? I’d be willing to bet it had bad motor mounts, it is a known issue with those and the automatic transmission. I would put it in the same class as a crossover, not really a dedicated off road vehicle but then again the cyber truck isn’t either.
I like the Trail Boss but absolutely hate the G80. It's the weak link to the truck in my opinion, but also it's perfectly useful for the majority of people. I love Roman's G though, but not the color.
Jeep have priced their loyal customers out of the market and mis-read their needs. They would continue to sell bucketloads if you could get an entry level wrangler for sub-30K. Folks also want simple but bulletproof engines like the old 4.0. But trying to force customers to by 4XE is the total opposite - it adds weight, it adds cost, it adds complexity and it all comes at the expense of reliability.
$58,000 id do a 90’s G-Wagon with a OM606, lifted, wheels tires and portals if there was enough left over.
My guess before finishing the video: LR3 takes the top spot!
What happened to that other cj5 you had made like 1 video on it?
I think you should get a Jimny.
I'd love to see that, I've wasted so many hours this year looking at them on Instagram. I wonder if they could bring one in on a show and display registration.
Wait didn’t you guys own an FJ Cruiser this year too?
The red on that g-wagen is hideous.
The 20g off is a lie from the dealer.
I had a friend call and check and put a deal together and it’s false advertising with the Willy’s 4xe at the Colorado stealership.
Ranger Raptor >>>
Wishlist for 2025 content -1958 Land Cruiser,1941 Wrangler 4xE, Stroppe Bronco.
yes cant wait to see the stroppe bronco
Is that the wedding ring you’re wearing? Congratulations Tommy!
If you get the 4 cylinder, you need the extended warranty. The Trail Recon guy's mechanic has replaced several of those engines just out of warranty. And it is expensive!
I'd like to see them get an old scout or an old ih pick up
A compromise on the g wagon could be to leave the center hood cowl black but put red from the cowl body line outward
Edit: nevermind. Not worth it if it's sold!
Budget used 4x4 series are best
You guys are unbelievable. You dis the not so cheep Jeep, but rave about the Disco that’s at least $20k more, plus the Ranger Raptor is at least $25 k more. My Gladiator Sport S, with hardtop, automatic, ACC, rear radar cros traffic alert LED Taillights, LED lights everywhere except headlights plus heated seats and steering wheel, 12.3” touch screen plus 4 G LTE WIFI Hot Spot, with granted 245/75-17 HT tires with matching Chrystal Granite Metallic alloy wheels to match the body. All marked down from MSRP of $51,000, down to out the door price of $35,400! That’s one of the most comfortable trucks I’ve ever had, plus daily average of 18 mpg, 22 highway at 70 mph. Easily cruise along without ever touching the brake or gas pedal, that automatically follows the flow of traffic right along till it stops for 5 sec. with the adaptive cruise control. Only been off road on trails in Georgia running up some serious hills of loose sand an gravel, plus deep beach sand with ease, with the open differentials, just turned off the traction control and knowledgeably using the handbrake level to send a balance of power to both rear wheels.
37k for the cheap Jeep?! I paid 38 for my new 2023 Tacoma TRD OR.
Willys MB on the Tumbleweed On-X Off-road track!!!!!
I agree with kase on the renegade. I've done road trips in them. What a hunk of crap lol
Yall drove a bronco alot , woulda been a better video (best and worst vehicles off-road we’ve tested) , woulda liked to see the broncos place
Red G wagon was a bad choice
I loved the renegade
Kase getting emotionally nostalgic with the classic Jeep is what makes him a tremendous man I’m sending you bear hugs bro. Ps can you believe that you are at the company now for 5 years. Now you get retirement benefits lol 😂 congratulations kase we love you Tommy And kase. your leaderships . Has really helped the company grow. Roman Is beyond proud of you
Anyone know why the fluffer bots became a thing? It's so weird.
Says he liked the renegade but the 80 series Toyota wasn’t that great…. 😂
NO "MOON ROOF" AVAILABLE ON THE RANGER. THE WORST IS THE "RAPTOR R" DOESN'T HAVE A TORSEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Caps Lock is on.
Please get a Rivian R1T and a Jeep wagoner s ev'
Had to mention "honest opinion?" Were all previous videos disingenuous?
Buy a 97-01 Jeep Cherokee and kit it out and put it against $65K+ SUVs. This is the true cheap off-road jeep.
For some reason your videos are all playing in a foreign language. It doesn't happen with any other channels. Wth? Tried setting the default back to US English and it doesn't work.
G wagoneer cut the exhaust back
this whole bashing the renegade is good video, its a ugly duckly for sure. My 2023 compass is much better looking and has a 2.0 turbo.
BIG diameter wheels on a truck are stupid and ugly too. Fine on a sports car. A truck NO.
I would love to see a series of videos where you buy an old vw bug and show the process of turning it into a baja. Then, test it against modern off roaders. You can modify the engine but must stay an aircooled 4 cylinder. Suspension, steering, tires, and safety can be upgraded to your choice.
8 million of those videos out there
$400.00 for an oil change b.s.
Getting rid of a Tacoma and even the Ienos being a Colorado company seems illogical. Not sure I understand what this channel is trying to accomplish. No wrenching or mods for offroad, which is fine, but what is goal of offroad channel? G wagon on trail, ya OK.
Those EV discounts and incentives are thankfully about to be gone. That Willy’s jeep is the best vehicle y’all have there. My grandfather had 3 of the 40’s models and I put those damn things through crap they should have never been in. They were proven in war and you can get yourself out of just about everything. They were easy and cheap to maintain which is obvious because so many are still running.
Means EVs will be similar priced.
Dealers and manufacturers know consumers have those incentives, so they mark them up. So if they want to flip inventory now they better be competitively priced.
EV’s will be fire-sale’d after being unsold on lots for a year without incentives, and mfg’s will stop making them when the lack of incentives mean a lack of profits.
If mfg’s were willing to make things for less profit, we would still see regular cabs and manual transmissions.
@Cloud30000 stopping making them😂😂
Maybe slow down, but everyday battery tech and manufacturing processes are being advanced.
It's only a matter of time before it makes sense to go EV.
@Cloud30000 but if yoy really wanna kill EV sales. Get oil prices down, so the cost of a gas car can compare annually to an EVs running cost.
I'm keeping my v8s, but I'm also not scared of the future or change.
@@lonerider5315 That’s easy get us out of OPEC.
Cybercars are garbage of road, actually all ev trucks are.
Somebody's got a little electron derangement disorder.
What about a first gen Kia Sportage, perhaps a 2-door and/or manual transmission?
UNIMOG
I'm looking forward to the day TFL gets the deuce and a half military truck they ordered.
Love the Ranger Raptor. Or for $10k more you can get the Toyota TRD pro Taco which is worse at everything.
I just wish the Ranger had more aggressive styling like the Colorados.
Get a compass. The latest gen is really good
I own a truck. F150. I live in the city and use the truck for towing a small camper. I never expect to drive off road and still I love these videos. You all make such high quality content that I can’t stop watching. Keep up the great work and happy new year.
I already purchased a solid off roader for dirt cheap since it is very broken and will need to put some money into. A 2008 VW Touareg V10 diesel with all the lockers.
Good Luck Buddy!
That thing needs the engine taken out to do a whole bunch of normally easy things. Best of luck with that journey.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yup. Looking at pulling the engine then new cam, new turbos, new gaskets, seals, alternator, etc.. Should take most of the winter working on it 3 days a week plus shipping times.
It's not an off roader, it's a street car.
I picked up a cheap solid off roader too; I got a 2010 Subaru Impreza.
Jeep Willis vs new 4x4 series! Let's go! Nah people might get bored of that lol
Case hurry up with the Disco!!!
I gotta agree with Case....the RR is my favorite truck this year esp for the price!!! But the D90 m.....I'll always be a roverphile..
The best: the jeep jk rubicon that i own.
The worst: same jeep when i had to pay at the dealer for the maintenance 😂
That looks so bad in red. Take off the wrap
Merry Christmas to you as well 🤦♂️
Tommy, your voice ruins the videos. You need to be behind the camera .
Kase's reviews are as though he's reading from a book. Too monotone and hard to stay entertained for a 37 minute review.
President Elect Musk appreciates your patronage with the Cybertruck
G wagons suck so bad