@@Death2Compromise I also offer a suggestion, if I may, a think a video series with the same concept as this would be great. So two ideas I have are "St. John Maximovitch was True Orthodox" and "St. Joseph the Hesychast was True Orthodox"
@theunrepentantone Thank you for this work Death to Compromise. Unrepentant one, definitely St. John can be categorized as True Orthodox, but if we make Elder Joseph that, we will be ridiculed as ignorant people who control the facts.
@@godsaveus4380 They ridicule us and call us "ignorant" and say we're "selective" in our facts -- which I say we are, because Church has always been selective -- but the facts show that St. Joseph the Cave-Dweller was True Orthodox and that the Ecumenical Patriarchate has edited and censored his life severely. Unfortunately this isn't a game of optics and public perception but rather of Truth; people can either accept the Truth or not. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. The heretics will insult us, ridicule us and continue to persecute us, this will more than likely continue to occur for many years, giving them concession and reign to lie is like begging mercy from the Devil, "who has no mercy", we are called to expose the Truth, not let heretics continue to lie about it.
At about 3.34 Seraphim Rose failed to realise that Iakovos was most unlikely to join the OCA because he was only really interested in being in a Synod of his fellow New Calendarist Greeks.
He was. ROCOR anathematized Ecumenism in 1983, one year after the repose of Fr. Seraphim. When the larger portion (not all) of ROCOR confirmed it wanted to join the Moscow Patriarchate in the 2000s, the GOC-K broke communion (in 2005, I believe) and some bishops in ROCOR left the larger part which joined Moscow.
@Death2Compromise I think we should stop saying "GOC-K" because GOC-K is THE "GOC" and the others have tried to usurp the name. I was told that by a bishop, but its so true.
@@godsaveus4380What do you mean? There are other synods of the genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece. Although, the GOC-K is the largest, others exist.
@Death2Compromise The others broke off from the original Synod with no legitimate reason. That hurts the Struggle Against Ecumenism. The New Calendarists always use it against the True Orthodox.
In Letter 02, 1963, at roughly 2:30, Rose avoids the obvious trap of failing to recognise what we all as, in his own words, "true Orthodox Christians know that the age of persecutions, which began again under the Bolsheviks, is still with us, and that only by much sorrow and tribulation are we made fit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." only to fall into the far more common trap of reactionary pharisaism. All these demonstrations he criticises were a good thing, as was participation in them, provided that the continued persecution of true Orthodox Christians was also condemned in these demonstrations. The fact that this was not the case, with the New Calendarist Greek "Archbishop" of North and South America walking arm-in-arm with the heterodox leader Martin Luther King in the March on Selma but continuing to fail to condemn the persecution and murder of true Orthodox Christians in Greece by the New Calendarist Government there, aided and abetted by the New Calendarist State "Church", should have been and should be condemned by all those who call themselves "true Orthodox Christians". Real True Orthodox Christians should actually be creatures of the radical political centre, drawing on both left and right as well as the centre, but not being dominated by either left or right wing ideas. In my experience, sadly, very few of us actually are creatures of the "radical political centre".
This is the full letter 037: Bright Saturday April 19/May 2,1970 Dear Father in Christ, Seraphim, In truth Christ is Risen! Rejoice in the Lord! Bless us, Father! Of course, we shall do as you wish and not print your letter. However, I must assure you that among those Orthodox faithful who value their faith above everything else, and who are aware of what is happening in the world, your letter did not at all bring ridicule to you, but instead has inspired and strengthened many in the fight for true Orthodoxy today. If there is anything ungrammatical in it-I myself did not notice anything in particular-this is not even noticeable beside the obvious fact that it was written from the heart and it exposes a situation that must be known to those who love Orthodoxy and wish to fight for it. Perhaps it could be considered a “mistake,” or at least not prudent of you, to mention the three names openly-but if so, I think it is a providential mistake, for these three men are traitors to Orthodoxy, on the same level (although more refined) as Patr. Athenagoras and Archbp. Iakovos, and it is time that the Orthodox faithful be informed of this. Archbp. John Shahovskoy for 40 years has been preaching a “poetical” Christianity that is against monasticism and every kind of strict Orthodoxy; Fr. Schmemann is clearly attempting to Protestantize Orthodoxy; and Fr. Meyendorff, by his irresponsible and slanderous attack against the hierarchs and faithful of the Russian Church Abroad (in the Feb. Orthodox Church) shows himself so anxious to follow in their footsteps that he departs even from ordinary honesty and fairness. These men are clearly leading the Metropolia into “Eastern-rite Protestantism,” and now the Metropolia hierarchs have unanimously joined with the enemies of Christs Church in order to speed up this aim-it is too late to do anything for the Metropolia, anyone who wishes to remain in Christ’s Church must leave her now before being caught in her snares. You have been suspended-but glory be to God for this also, for you are suffering for confessing true and heartfelt Orthodoxy, and thus you are encouraging many others. Only stand firm! They will try to persuade you to be so humble that you will regard everything you said as a mistake, and then they will try to make you follow them into heresy out of “humility.” No-the monks of Mt. Athos are true monks, and they are humble, but you know what they say about Patr. Athenagoras, and they refuse to follow him or to pray for him as their bishop. Now the Metropolia itself forbids you to pray for their bishops at services-this is surely a sign that your connection with them is finished. For what could you “apologize” to them-that you do not have all the facts to back up your statements? But those facts do exist, and we will be printing many of them. Dear Father-we consider that your letter does honor to the faithful of the Metropolia; it is one of the few honest and honorable things to come from the Metropolia in recent months. But the Metropolia leadership does not want this, it is proud of its apostates, for they have given it worldwide recognition. Then do not hesitate to come and join us who are gathered around some of the few Orthodox bishops left today. Frankly, we are anxious to see you leave St. Tikhons as soon as possible; before they put all their pressures and persuasions to work on you. Metropolitan Philaret is spending several weeks now in Europe and the Holy Land, which is probably why you don’t hear from him. Isn’t it possible for you to go to stay at one of our places while waiting the outcome of you petition?-to Jordanville, Fr. Panteleimon’s monastery in Boston, or to the Synod in New York? We would gladly invite you to stay with us, but we are far away and so for we have only two small cabins in the forest under primitive conditions. Nonetheless, if now or in the future you wish to come to us, you are more than welcome. For eight months now we have been living in the Coast Mountains of California, about 250 miles north of San Francisco, in a complete wilderness area-the nearest town, 2 miles away, has only 50 people, and for 40 miles in three directions there is no one at all except a few hunters, hikers, etc. Gleb and I are both ordained Readers, and hope by the end of the year, by God’s grace, to be tonsured monks. Archbishop Anthony of San Francisco has celebrated Liturgy here, on an outdoor Altar-table on the spot where we hope to begin building our chapel this year. Abbot Panteleimon of Boston has also visited us. We read the daily cycle of services ourselves, but for Divine Liturgy and Holy Communion we must go to San Francisco (as we did on Christmas and Pascha) or wait for a priest to visit us. We hope to hear from you soon, and ask your prayers for us sinners. With love in Christ our Saviour, Eugene
@adrainwhyatt594 I think you may have mentioned that a narration of the video would be good. Somebody has reached out to me about doing a narration so we will see what comes of it. 👍
I know there are world Orthodox in Finland, but as I understand they are strongly modernist and ecumenist. Actually, well known for being some of the worst, again, as I understand.
The term True Orthodox is used to differentiate (as the name implies) the churches that are truly Orthodox from those that are in heresy. In our modern context, what can be seen is a liberal, ecumenist "Orthodox" church and another historically Orthodox body that does not go along with that. The latter calling themselves True Orthodox. This is a very rudimentary explanation, so I recommend you do more research to truly understand the depths of the issue.
Basically, all "True Orthodox" and "Genuine Orthodox" churches are schisms from the Eastern Orthodox church. But they will obviously beg to differ, sadly.
The narrated version is out now! ruclips.net/video/vcf5GcSoTGQ/видео.htmlsi=yYn87vhbcPWnKeID
Hey, you're channel is starting to grow I think. Thank God, and thank you 🙏
Great work brother
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@@Death2Compromise I also offer a suggestion, if I may, a think a video series with the same concept as this would be great. So two ideas I have are "St. John Maximovitch was True Orthodox" and "St. Joseph the Hesychast was True Orthodox"
@theunrepentantone Thank you for this work Death to Compromise. Unrepentant one, definitely St. John can be categorized as True Orthodox, but if we make Elder Joseph that, we will be ridiculed as ignorant people who control the facts.
@@godsaveus4380 They ridicule us and call us "ignorant" and say we're "selective" in our facts -- which I say we are, because Church has always been selective -- but the facts show that St. Joseph the Cave-Dweller was True Orthodox and that the Ecumenical Patriarchate has edited and censored his life severely. Unfortunately this isn't a game of optics and public perception but rather of Truth; people can either accept the Truth or not. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. The heretics will insult us, ridicule us and continue to persecute us, this will more than likely continue to occur for many years, giving them concession and reign to lie is like begging mercy from the Devil, "who has no mercy", we are called to expose the Truth, not let heretics continue to lie about it.
At about 3.34 Seraphim Rose failed to realise that Iakovos was most unlikely to join the OCA because he was only really interested in being in a Synod of his fellow New Calendarist Greeks.
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Wasn't St. Seraphim literally in ROCOR?
He was. ROCOR anathematized Ecumenism in 1983, one year after the repose of Fr. Seraphim. When the larger portion (not all) of ROCOR confirmed it wanted to join the Moscow Patriarchate in the 2000s, the GOC-K broke communion (in 2005, I believe) and some bishops in ROCOR left the larger part which joined Moscow.
@Death2Compromise I think we should stop saying "GOC-K" because GOC-K is THE "GOC" and the others have tried to usurp the name. I was told that by a bishop, but its so true.
@@godsaveus4380What do you mean? There are other synods of the genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece. Although, the GOC-K is the largest, others exist.
ROCOR (pre-union with the Moscow Patriarchate in 2007) was True Orthodox.
@Death2Compromise The others broke off from the original Synod with no legitimate reason. That hurts the Struggle Against Ecumenism. The New Calendarists always use it against the True Orthodox.
In Letter 02, 1963, at roughly 2:30, Rose avoids the obvious trap of failing to recognise what we all as, in his own words, "true Orthodox Christians know that the age of persecutions, which began again under the Bolsheviks, is still with us, and that only by much sorrow and tribulation are we made fit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." only to fall into the far more common trap of reactionary pharisaism. All these demonstrations he criticises were a good thing, as was participation in them, provided that the continued persecution of true Orthodox Christians was also condemned in these demonstrations. The fact that this was not the case, with the New Calendarist Greek "Archbishop" of North and South America walking arm-in-arm with the heterodox leader Martin Luther King in the March on Selma but continuing to fail to condemn the persecution and murder of true Orthodox Christians in Greece by the New Calendarist Government there, aided and abetted by the New Calendarist State "Church", should have been and should be condemned by all those who call themselves "true Orthodox Christians".
Real True Orthodox Christians should actually be creatures of the radical political centre, drawing on both left and right as well as the centre, but not being dominated by either left or right wing ideas. In my experience, sadly, very few of us actually are creatures of the "radical political centre".
So you justify taking no position and just watching people be persecuted. No thanks.
At 6.31, Letter 037, 1970 - it is essential to see what the letter is. Are you able to publish a copy in the comments.
This is the full letter 037:
Bright Saturday
April 19/May 2,1970
Dear Father in Christ, Seraphim,
In truth Christ is Risen! Rejoice in the Lord! Bless us, Father!
Of course, we shall do as you wish and not print your letter. However, I must assure you that among those Orthodox faithful who value their faith above everything else, and who are aware of what is happening in the world, your letter did not at all bring ridicule to you, but instead has inspired and strengthened many in the fight for true Orthodoxy today. If there is anything ungrammatical in it-I myself did not notice anything in particular-this is not even noticeable beside the obvious fact that it was written from the heart and it exposes a situation that must be known to those who love Orthodoxy and wish to fight for it. Perhaps it could be considered a “mistake,” or at least not prudent of you, to mention the three names openly-but if so, I think it is a providential mistake, for these three men are traitors to Orthodoxy, on the same level (although more refined) as Patr. Athenagoras and Archbp. Iakovos, and it is time that the Orthodox faithful be informed of this. Archbp. John Shahovskoy for 40 years has been preaching a “poetical” Christianity that is against monasticism and every kind of strict Orthodoxy; Fr. Schmemann is clearly attempting to Protestantize Orthodoxy; and Fr. Meyendorff, by his irresponsible and slanderous attack against the hierarchs and faithful of the Russian Church Abroad (in the Feb. Orthodox Church) shows himself so anxious to follow in their footsteps that he departs even from ordinary honesty and fairness. These men are clearly leading the Metropolia into “Eastern-rite Protestantism,” and now the Metropolia hierarchs have unanimously joined with the enemies of Christs Church in order to speed up this aim-it is too late to do anything for the Metropolia, anyone who wishes to remain in Christ’s Church must leave her now before being caught in her snares.
You have been suspended-but glory be to God for this also, for you are suffering for confessing true and heartfelt Orthodoxy, and thus you are encouraging many others. Only stand firm! They will try to persuade you to be so humble that you will regard everything you said as a mistake, and then they will try to make you follow them into heresy out of “humility.” No-the monks of Mt. Athos are true monks, and they are humble, but you know what they say about Patr. Athenagoras, and they refuse to follow him or to pray for him as their bishop. Now the Metropolia itself forbids you to pray for their bishops at services-this is surely a sign that your connection with them is finished. For what could you “apologize” to them-that you do not have all the facts to back up your statements? But those facts do exist, and we will be printing many of them. Dear Father-we consider that your letter does honor to the faithful of the Metropolia; it is one of the few honest and honorable things to come from the Metropolia in recent months. But the Metropolia leadership does not want this, it is proud of its apostates, for they have given it worldwide recognition. Then do not hesitate to come and join us who are gathered around some of the few Orthodox bishops left today.
Frankly, we are anxious to see you leave St. Tikhons as soon as possible; before they put all their pressures and persuasions to work on you. Metropolitan Philaret is spending several weeks now in Europe and the Holy Land, which is probably why you don’t hear from him. Isn’t it possible for you to go to stay at one of our places while waiting the outcome of you petition?-to Jordanville, Fr. Panteleimon’s monastery in Boston, or to the Synod in New York? We would gladly invite you to stay with us, but we are far away and so for we have only two small cabins in the forest under primitive conditions. Nonetheless, if now or in the future you wish to come to us, you are more than welcome. For eight months now we have been living in the Coast Mountains of California, about 250 miles north of San Francisco, in a complete wilderness area-the nearest town, 2 miles away, has only 50 people, and for 40 miles in three directions there is no one at all except a few hunters, hikers, etc. Gleb and I are both ordained Readers, and hope by the end of the year, by God’s grace, to be tonsured monks. Archbishop Anthony of San Francisco has celebrated Liturgy here, on an outdoor Altar-table on the spot where we hope to begin building our chapel this year. Abbot Panteleimon of Boston has also visited us. We read the daily cycle of services ourselves, but for Divine Liturgy and Holy Communion we must go to San Francisco (as we did on Christmas and Pascha) or wait for a priest to visit us.
We hope to hear from you soon, and ask your prayers for us sinners.
With love in Christ our Saviour,
Eugene
@adrainwhyatt594 I think you may have mentioned that a narration of the video would be good. Somebody has reached out to me about doing a narration so we will see what comes of it. 👍
@@Death2CompromiseI would love to hear Fr. Joachim from the Orthodox Tradition RUclips channel read this. He would be perfect for this.
Are there any true ortodox churches in Finland?
I know there are world Orthodox in Finland, but as I understand they are strongly modernist and ecumenist. Actually, well known for being some of the worst, again, as I understand.
IDK about true Orthodox there, very possible though.
You live in Finland?
Sadly to my knowledge there isn't. However in nearby Sweden, there is a GOC-K parish.
TY@@theunrepentantone
Wdym ”true orthodox”
The term True Orthodox is used to differentiate (as the name implies) the churches that are truly Orthodox from those that are in heresy. In our modern context, what can be seen is a liberal, ecumenist "Orthodox" church and another historically Orthodox body that does not go along with that. The latter calling themselves True Orthodox. This is a very rudimentary explanation, so I recommend you do more research to truly understand the depths of the issue.
ruclips.net/video/xfVgA1x4Gj0/видео.html
Basically, all "True Orthodox" and "Genuine Orthodox" churches are schisms from the Eastern Orthodox church. But they will obviously beg to differ, sadly.
Schismatics
Schismatics
Hire a narrator or just start a substack. I’m not reading quotes for forty minutes on a RUclips video.
I would be willing to read these letters... However people would then complain I'm trying to "take credit" for it... Can't win everyone over
@j.athanasius9832 Somebody has reached out to me about doing a narration so we will see what comes of it. 👍
It was worth the read
God bless the work of your hands!
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