.30-06 Mosin Nagant - the Bannerman Conversion
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Today I'm taking a look at a Mosin Nagant converted to .30-06 caliber in the early 1920s by Francis Bannerman & Sons. They were a huge surplus arms and equipment company for many decades - the Century International Arms of their time, in some ways. They bought a bunch of surplus Remington and New England Westinghouse Mosin Nagant rifles as surplus after WWI, and converted many of them to .30-06 for the American hunting market. While a military rifle that was sporterized yesterday has little remaining value, these Bannerman guns are old enough that they have acquired newfound collector status as an interesting curio of the 1920s.
Common legend is that these is particularly unsafe, but I think that is significantly exaggerated. I wouldn't run hot 220 round-nose loads through one, but I think mild ammo is just fine (if you own one of these, you can make your own decision about firing it or not). Anyway, let's take a look, and see what the characteristics of the Bannerman conversions are...
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Yes, the bore is slightly oversize, but not enough to cause a problem. It would be interesting to do some serious accuracy testing on 7.62mm ammo with both .308 and .311 barrels. As for the ejector, with .30-06 it no longer needs to function as an interruptor, because rimlock isn't an issue.
Not as much oversize as the conversions of the Jap 7.7 's to 30 06 . The Russian cartridge operates about the same pressure so no problem . Many bores at that time could vary considerably .
Actually, the potential danger of the Bannerman conversions is not related to headspace. The potential issue is the barrel being overstressed at the case mouth, and rupturing. That could happen without any indication of excessive headspace.
The bore difference doesn't help accuracy, but doesn't really hurt it either. A .308 bullet still engages the rifling in a .311 barrel just not as deeply. Frankly, that probably reduces pressure a bit, which would be a good thing.
Bannermans are pretty rare. You can still get unmodified Remington and N.E.W. Mosins, though. Some stayed in the US, but plenty were shipped to Russia.The standard Mosin I used as a comparison in the video is an N.E.W. gun was used by the Russians and then captured by the Finns.
I've got a bannerman Mauser with a 1903 barrel reamed for the 7.65 argentine. Had absolutely no idea what it was when I picked it up years ago
Just found a Bannerman for $500 at a local pawn being sold as a bubba’ed Mosin
“And on the 7th day, Gun Jesus did check the headspace of the rifle, and he saw that it was good” - Book of Armaments 30:06
Should have said the eighth day but still funny
I think it was primarily that the 1903 Springfield was a much nicer rifle.
When the conversion was done, there were no round receiver Mosins.
There are a few companies that make left-handed bolt action sporting rifles, but no military ones that I know of. The closest would be the Finnish 28/76 Olympic style Mosin conversion, which they did make in both left and right handed versions.
Bannermans retail store at one time was in Manhattan...and NOT Manhattan. Kansas...Manhattan...one of the 5 boroughs of NYC...
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure you didn't. A 54R cartridge is much wider at the base than the .30-06, and would not possibly fit into a .30-06 chamber. I guess it's possible someone just ran a .30-06 reamer into a standard 54R chamber, which would be unsafe for both cartridges.
This is most likely the same Bannerman whose castle is on Pollepel Island in the Hudson River just north of West Point. On the side of the "castle" in very large letters are the words "Bannerman Island Arsenal." It was the storehouse for arms and munitions that Bannerman sold to the government. The place is a ruin today and looks very strange, if it hasn't fallen down.
Yes, same Bannerman. The castle was mostly destroyed by a fire in 1969.
MontagueMile Tours of the island are available.
I live right next to that area of the Hudson. Never been on the island, but it's a great sight.
It's a smoothbore handgun, which makes it an AOW...although the original production ones have been specifically exempted from the NFA. New production repros have rifled barrels to avoid the issue.
re: reduced safety due to smaller diameter of barrel at throat of chamber. in the 20s, hatcher did an experiment with "safety of the steel" in springfield rifles (in response to the shattered low number receiver problem). his experiments found it took reducing wall thickness to 1/16 inch (65 thou, a really ding wee wall) for a blue pill (75,000 psi high pressure proof load) to split open the barrel (right at the shoulder, neck, throat interface). those are barrels produced of roughly the same steel, in the same period, using the same techniques. the mosin barrel will actually see LOWER pressure, because it is 0.003 inch "overbore" for an -06. as hatcher opined in closing that section of his "notebook", "if it takes reducing it to 1/16 inch for a bluepill to make it fail, it's fine just the way it is". that dovetail over the chamber is probably equally perilous to the "reduced support at the throat", which is "not very, at all". the setback barrel is NOT dangerous, any more than a "pencil sporter" barrel is on a "light weight rifle". btw, there is JUST ENOUGH meat to turn a late press in SKS barrel from a 91/30, to exact dimensions called for by spec. that would require even further setback (as the base of the 7.62x39 is 30 thou smaller than an 06), yet NEVER results in "hand grenade time". besides, if you were REALLY worried, you could just turn the shoulder square, clean up the barrel to cylindrical, and turn a sleeve of 4140 of same od as the shank, id a few thou smaller than od of the cylindrical section, same overall length. place action in freezer over night, heat sleeve in 400 degree oven. press sleeve to shoulder. when temps equalize, sleeve is well bedded into that barrel, and will not move. bam, as beefy a shank as you could desire (you can pin it if you like, or locktite on the COLD barrel), of whatever dimensions you little heart desires. so long as it is steel of a carbon variety, the expansion characteristics should be "close enough" (no stainless, aluminum, pot metal, or brass, lol). using a chunk of old RWD car axle would work just as well (or even thick wall mild DOM tube). just radius the "inside corner" where the cylindrical turning meets the square shoulder on the barrel, and give a good sized chamfer to that face of the sleeve ID (thus no stress riser). either way, that 06 mosin is fine to shoot if the headspace is correct, and there are no cracks or other structural flaws.
My grandpa has been hunting deer with one of these since he was 17 years old.
One Doomed Spacemarine I consider myself to be primarily a surplus collector, but I’ll NEVER pass down a good priced sported rifle. As full-sized examples start to disappear more and more into the hands of greedy collectors (not me lol), and with all the dumbasses actually turning firearms they have no clue about into local law enforcement to be destroyed, any firearm is a good firearm. Plus, I think sporter rifles are an important part of America’s past. That there was a time you could just shorten barrels and everyone was okay with it. That there was a time every sporting goods store wasn’t lined with polymer bolt action rifles ready to use. These guns have character, and I can respect the humbleness of those who use, and continue to use, them.
One Doomed Spacemarine the only hunting rifles my dad likes are Sporterized SMLE’s. He’s always raves about the .303 cartridge. Unfortunately he’s butchered some very nice war surplus rifles. Latest was a 1946 date Aussie issued rifle that looked almost totally unused. Cut the barrel, synthetic stock, new sites
@@redram5150 I have a sporterized Lee Shtle that was made in 1908. It saw service in two world wars, was sporterized in Australia in the 50's, and ended up in Vietnam with a group of Aussie engineers. The guy I bought it from was an American engineer who bought it there and brought it home. Has a scope mounted on it and kills whitetails just fine. 😁
@@jwnagy jesus i wonder how many deer, roos, and jerrys that rifle has killed.
@@MrSGL21 it's hard to say. All I know is that 111 years after it was made its still going strong.
I am a lefty that has adopted the right hand shooting but it's so neat to watch a lefty work the action
jackson nicole watch again he shoots left handed and right handed. As a lefty that makes me even more confused
Shooting lefty on a right handed bolt action just works better, I need to practice it more.
Actually, I just noticed that rifle this afternoon. I can't say 100%, but it certainly looks like a Bannerman gun to me. They converted some guns in military config (like that one), and others in sporter style. I haven't seen enough conversions to know how many of each they did.
M91s were converted to 8 x 50 R Austrian, 7.92 x 57 by Imperial Germany and later Poland. The only problem was with feeding from the magazine. The M 91 is generally very strong.
Hard to put a value on them - most people aren't interested, and most people think they are unsafe to shoot. OTOH, they aren't very common. I think I would be willing to pay $200-$250, depending on the condition.
of course, if Bannerman could see into the future. the 7.62 X 54 R is an abundant supply today
will eventually dry up like 8mm Mauser
Anthony Schurz yep I bought a nugget to find out the mosin ammo supply is slim pickings in my area or people are wanting triple or quadruple the price of surplus ammo
Devin Coronado buy red army ammo. They have 180 round boxes for 60 bucks
@@harryjoe860 red army ammo dont make 7.62x54r any more
@@mrguiltyfool 8mm Mauser isn't in an active service anyware anymore for a long time, but 7.62x54R is and in many countries including Russia itself.
I know this is an old video, but that Bannerman conversion seems to work smoother than any Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R that I have ever seen or handled.
A bit tricky. Bending the bolt handle without lengthening it doesn't really make it more ergonomic.
Just thinking, it seems like they might have been better off chambering them for .30-30 Winchester. No pressure worries and a popular US deer cartridge. Cut down to carbine length they might have been a decent economy woods rifle. Who knows why corporate does what they do?
Now that is a great idea, I'd buy that.
Charles Inglin the only problem I could see would be that the .30-30 is smaller, and from a few quick measurements the chamber would have to start about 1.5 inches from the 54r bolt face. there might have been a concern with chamber pressures, but who knows. .30-06 may have just been easier and more popular.
As far as I know, the max pressure on he .30-30 is lower than the 7.62x54R, while the max on .30-06 is higher. It could well be that they'd have had to set the barrel back too far to rechamber it.
Maybe they were a western company where you can actually see 800 yards and might need to shoot at a deer at more than 12ga slug range.
Charles Inglin the chamber set back was what I meant,I just left out half of what I was going to say. I.5 inches from the bolt face probably wouldn't leave enough bark width to catch the threads, which is a *small* problem when rebarrelling. oh, and the pressure on .30-06 is around the 7,62x54R at 55,000 to 56,000 psi. not a huge deal, especially is the chamber is cut on the loose side.
I think that really depends on your importation laws and perceived market demand.
Having seen a person TRY to blow up a 91/30 with waaaaaaAAAAY over pressure 7.62x54R reloads. I am just going to say there built like a freaking tank. He never could make it explode, finally after several that were increasingly waaay over pressure a load filled to max capacity best I recall of a mixture of powders did cause a failure, but still never exploded.
IV8888? :P
Yeah the round that finally popped it was either swept up range scrap or a fast pistol powder. And the way it blew still probably wouldn't have hurt the person shooting it.
Remember the rifle was designed to be Peasant proof. Much stronger than ever needed because some peasants/privates can break anything with their bare hands given enough time.
I don't have video yet, but there is a page at Forgotten Weapons on the Welrod.
It also looks like they removed the interrupter (I think it is called the interrupter :) ), that holds the rimmed rounds in place to prevent rim-lock. The Mosin can withstand a high pressure in the chamber. If you see some of the torture tests on RUclips, it can take high pressure loads without blowing up. The bolt might stick but it doesn't blow up. Nice videos you guys make, I am glad I found this channel :)
As a builder and lover of guns my primary reason for the sub. Watching you go left to right and back with ease was most impressive to say the least. Your articulate common sense manner is an excellent teaching tool. Kudos indeed!!
Eventually - I don't have one in the reference collection, though.
It really varies, but I would expect around $200.
If this was a TFB TV video they would be bashing on that gun regardless of it's origins, just because it bears the name 'Mosin Nagant'.
Wobben Buffet "they're good enough" pretty much covers it. most people who want a rifle are probably going to buy a Rem 770 for $300 and shoot it once a year. but my Mosin is a bolt action, iron sighted, wooden stocked, stripper clip feed, full powered rifle, with a strong receiver. it fits the practical definition of a Springfield or Mauser, but it doesn't cost $3,000. and it's nowhere as bad as the last ditch Arisakas, or as logistically screwed up as the Carcano.
I have 13 mosins and all have been good decent rifles. Maybe ive just been lucky but I havent come across a bad mosin nagant yet.
I can't think of a worse action used in bolt action rifles, that is obtainable today.
Tevo77777 its not gonna give you AIDS though
Wobben Buffet
The commission rifle was better and that was a terrible rifle made over a hundred years ago.
As far as I know, it wasn't done by any Russian military units.
Online auctions are probably your best bet.
That makes perfect sense. I will keep it in mind if I ever come across another one. Thanks for the info and great job on all your vids; they're a wealth of knowledge and the items you showcase are just too cool not to look at and learn about!
Thanks for the video! I have one of these minus the stock. It's in line in the project list to refurnish it with a new stock. Glad to see it's possibly a shooter. I'll check the headspace and start with some low power cartridges and work my way up to the M2 cartridge. The big open sights might make it a good wild hog/coyote brush gun.
Great video as per usual.When I was a kid too young to buy a BB gun on my own I remember reading about a White Russian emigre living in New York City in the 1920's that purchased a bunch of these in the expectation of supplying a counter revolution in Russia ( which never happened) We knew quite a few decedents of White Russian emigres so the story stuck in my head. When WW 2 happened he reluctantly gave them to the NY State Militia.
I actually like the Mosin dog collar sling, because it allows a great degree of rotation for comfort. And it makes it very good for left-handed shooters who want to use it to brace. One thing you lose with a lot of modern sling setups is this kind of universality. So while dog collars may look crude, they actually function better than many newer setups in practice.
I heard the whole thing about these being dangerous, glad to see you set the record straight - and made it out in one piece. Great video
Seems to me that they could have done a lot less work converting this rifle to .30-30 Winchester. They still would have had to cut the barrel and re work the bolt face, but not as much. The .30-30 case is only .074" shorter and the rime is .064" (.032" each side from center) smaller than the 7.62X54R. It certainly would have loaded better in the magazine and the .30-30 could be used with spritzer points and give better ballistics. Pressure would be about the same as the 7.62 X 54R too. Don't get me wrong I love the 06 but I do have a .30-30 and it is a damned good dear rifle.
go compaire a 30-30 to a 54R once in person and u will find your answer to that.
Very neat video. In all of my Mosin Naganting and searching for Mosin models of all types, I have still yet to come across a Bannerman. I found a Polish 8mm Mauser conversion, similarly done, but never found a Bannerman yet. Some day, maybe. Nice presentation, and information!
Cool video. This is the first I have heard of the Bannerman.
I'll be damned. I never knew there were American-made Nagants, let alone 30'06 sporterized conversions.
I'm thinking they went with 30-06 instead of 30-30 because 30-06 was the main round in use by U.S. military. Bannerman may have been trying to appeal to the USMC with this conversion. Although mosins are not nearly as smooth as Enfield's, mousers, or springfields, they are probably the hardiest of the bunch and are great rifles that do not require finesse or babying. It seems like US troops preferred the smoother actions of the Springfield. And few years later the semi auto M1 Garand was developed and non semi-autos were no longer preferred by anyone except for snipers, of course who used Springfields.
Sorry but no Mosins are not at all the hardiest of the bunch they're as finicky as Enfields and require just as much babying. Because like the Enfields they have a two piece bolt head and so wear out twice as fast as mausers or springfields with their one piece bolt heads which in fact are the hardiest in that lot. And lets be real here Springfieds are literally Mauser actions with American chambering and stock sensibilities and with good reason even modern bolt action rifles are based off the Mauser action its that good. Mosins are in no fashion great rifles, they're serviceable at best.
Terminalsanity finicky as enfields? What do you think the word finicky means? Neither are finicky I own both I also own a tc compass and type 99 (both based on Mauser action the type 99 being almost identical mechanically) and none of them are finicky or have had literally any problems. Which kinda leaves me to believe your one of those "my friend read it on the internet so I know it's true" kinda guys
@@yyeezyy630 Somewhat more prone to mechanical issues that require attention. In the case of the Enfield because their bolt heads are prone more wear due to the design of the action so as their heads wear down they start having issues. Something you as a supposed owner Enfield should know all too well because the bolt heads are literally the most frequently replaced part on them. But the up swing is the Enfield has one of the slickest and smoothest actions period.
LOL at suggesting Mosins aren't finicky and don't have problems the loose tolerances built into the action create so many potential wear issues that will vary gun to gun there's a can of worms of potential issues. Only a "my friend read it on the internet so I know it's true" kinda guy would pretend Mosins aren't finicky and don't have a rough action. But by all means film yourself with doing a mad minute on a Mosin and then on an Enfield and show me what's what.
A friend of mine back in the day had an 1891 that was chambered for .30-40 Krag. Full length in orginal military stock. Should have bought it off of him.
one of the best things about the mosin is the cheap ammo, now it doesnt even have that.
When the Bannerman conversion was made, 7.62X54R wasn't available in the United States. .30-06 was the inexpensive ammunition of the time.
The only good thing about a Mosin is that the ammo is cheap. I wish Savage or Ruger would build a modern rifle that was cambered in 7.62x54R
lucus1959 the surplus ammo will run out eventually, or before it runs out the us will ban it like the 5.45 and not let us import it. plus all the cheap 7.62x54r is corrosive. not really a issue with a bolt action.
lucus1959 I see what you mean. If you aren't into precision shooting, 7.62X54R is a great cartridge. The problem with 7.62x54R is the fact that it isn't nearly as flexible as other cartridges that are available here in the U.S., such as .308 Win, and the modern 6.5MM cartridges like the .260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5X47 Lapua. The 7.62X54R just doesn't have the developed components that hand loaders like myself need for long range competition. That's not to say it's a bad cartridge at all, it has its uses in service rifle matches (I've seen some Finnish Nagants that shoot some really tight groups), but it doesn't have the same level of support here in the U.S. that some other cartridges do.
JDsgreatz28 The 7.62X54R already has a very well established market on the commercial level. The steel cased commercial ammo will remain inexpensive even after the milsurp has dried up.
Another good video and history lesson on the Bannerman Nagant. How was the recoil on it?
Smoothest opening of the bolt I ever saw with a mosin. Every video of a 54R I watch people have problems opening the bolt after firing.
i guess don't watch many mosin vids lol
Your videos are always good and this is no exception. Very very good.
I wonder if a conversion to .303 British would not have been better? Also a rimmed cartridge, lower pressure than the 30-06 (safer) and the ammunition was available in the US and Canada, in the nineteen twenties.
Ian is smart not to shoot modern high pressure 30-06 ammo in this rifle . The original 30-06 ammo was lower pressure than the stuff available now . During development of the 7.62 NATO cartridge Olin Winchester created a powder that allowed the same performance as 30-06 In the new cartridge . Using the new powder in a 30-06 gives it higher chamber pressures and performance . This is Okay in a modern 30-06 , but I wouldn't use these loads in a gun over a century old . Even if the old warhorse didn't blow up in your face , the newer hotter powders might burn out the bore . I'd stay away from firing "hot" loads in a 1903 Sringfield or M1 Garand for the same reason . Also , these " hot" loads might not gas correctly in the M1 Garand . As a handloader , I reccomend shooting milspec ammo , or a more sedate modern load in older rifles . Premium 30-06 ammo is made for modern sporting rifles , made with modern metallurgy , and chambered in that caliber at the factory . That's my opinion .
Victor Waddell I always figured the medium powered 150 grain 30 06 ammo was meant for use in Garands to keep from beating both the guns and the operators to pieces.
@@harryhudson5140 Sounds reasonable to me . I wouldn't want to bend the rod in a Garand shooting stuff too hot for its design .
Victor Waddell You’re right. A modern day .30-06 is more powerful than the modern day .308. But back when they were developing it (around the mid 50’s) they both had similar performance.
The most interesting and satisfying Mosin nagant video
The same Bannerman who built that kooky looking castle in New York?
Yep.
You could probably fit a .311 diameter projectile into a .30-06 case. A lot of Mosins in my country were converted to 30-284 which you can (just) manage to get a .311 in there.
I inherited one of these rifles from my grandfather after he passed away. I had no information on thier history until now. I've put plenty of rounds thought it. Even quite a few hopped up loads. The only issue I've had with it is the old wood stock is starting to crack from the pin in the side back to the trigger guard.
This must truly be the most interesting firearms related channel on youtube!
I found an unconverted Remington M-N years ago. Like many old smokeless guns, the bore had some corrosion / roughness. With work, it can be removed, and SHOULD be before firing. I did not. It chipped some wood behind the tang (recoil / pressure). I have seen people buy 7mm Rolling Blocks with the same hardened fouling. So the equation of rock-hard fouling (constricted bore) + modern loads + old steel can equal a very bad day!
If in doubt, BE SAFE.
God that sound makes my heart drop. Very cool rifle.
Well now that the caliber restriction is gone, there's no limit on how much ammo you can have. Which is why before many of the imported ones were converted to 30-284 which is terrible for ejection. Because you have no rim anymore and they are very expensive to buy. I'm hoping there will be a big demand for these rifles in their original caliber. But in the end I might have to get one from the UK (which it wasn't caliber restricted) and get it transferred to France.
In Finland after the war they did alot of 8.2x53r conversions for old mosins because of the moose hunting caliber rules at that time
Pretty sure I have one of these, but mine is still 7.62x54r.
And has some cool aperture sights that flip around the bolt handle.
I've had it for years not knowing really what it is or where it came from.
I have a Mauser 98 in 30-06. Great gun...
I found one of these guns at an auction today and it went for $120, I should have bought it. I thought it was a mosin that someone sporterized.
Well, technically speaking, it was. :) But yeah, you should have bought it!
Seems like it works pretty well. I've got an American Enfield that's been sporterised and I deer hunt with that. It's super accurate and doesn't fail.
I always learn something for your videos. Great work.
Hungária , Budapesten gyártotta a FÉG fegyvergyár a Mosin-Nagantot 30-06 kaliberben vadászpuskának.Hidegen kovácsolt lengőcső., belső tár, sneller, diófa faragott tus , tolókás biztositó.Lehetett vásárolni céltávcsővel szerelve is.2005-ig volt gyártásban sajnos azután megszűnt a fegyvergyár. Üdv András
Always interesting watching a lefty do anything that was designed for a right handed person and you do well
That’s crazy! Good history lesson!
Hi Ian! Merry Christmas! How I wish to be there with you! I'm an ardent fan of yours from India..... Highly interested in guns..... The way you explain stuffs is fascinating.... Keep up your good work dear....
As collector i would like one. I collect guns that where converted before 1940. I do not have one of these, yet.
Is it safe to call it a Mosin-Bannerman
Nyet.
I gave this a thumbs up cause he's a lefty! Everyone is born right handed but only the truly gifted over come it. :)
What is this blaber?
is it weird to shoot a right handed bolt action while left handed? I'm a left handed shooter and it feels awkward to reach over.
Something I learned today. Thanks Ian!
Haha I love when you throw in an intro like that. This one especially made me laugh quite a bit.
The old intro, was awesome
I wonder how accurately a .308 diameter bullet does going through a. 311-.312 bore? I did hear Ian miss one of the steel targets! Great video!
Excellent video and research on this particular model. Thanks for the video.
Hello from Ukraine! Very interesting video. I often thought about the changes they made to adapt it to 30-06, and you explained a lot. Still, technically the bore is oversized for the 30-06, isn't it? I once reloaded 30-06 bullets in my Mosin carbine, and it delivered decent accuracy though. I wonder what changes they did to an iterruptor/ejector to hold the cartridges in the magazine and does it still work as an interruptor?
Neat! Love the history lesson and comparison.
Very cool, I always wanted to see one of these in action.
Mosins are awesome rifles. I have a hex receiver one dated 1935. Looks brand new. Bought it for $95 from a friend. The only downside is the trigger sets off extremely easy.
Totenkopf Landser The trigger sear could be defective or someone messed with it. The sear is easily replaceable or can be modified for a safer trigger.
This is very interesting thank you forgotten arms, love your channel !
I never saw a Bannerman at an auction, but there was another company that was doing .308 conversions. I have seen these at auctions. The problem there was the chamber was not fully cleaned up after reaming. I believe that is where the "dangerous conversion" story started.
Sweet deal! That Mosin is a really cool little piece of history. How much would be a reasonable price to pay for one in good condition? I have seen one once but the antique dealer wanted 475$ for it, thought that a bit much and passed on it.
I had a Westinghouse conversion in the 1970s but it was still in 7.62 Russian. I loaned it to a cousin who then died and I never saw that rifle again.
As I know, interruptor was created by Mosin not to overcome a rimlock (the case rims were bevelled for that), but to avoid double feed that might lead to open action ignition. Mauser solved that problem by opening the bolt face ring to the bottom, so that the cartridge is grabbed by the extractor as fed, and if not fed, it is extracted. In real Mosin, the case rim is not engaged by the extractor claw on feeding, but the next round is not raised up due to interruptor until the bolt is closed.
As somebody who's not familiar with guns, what does "sporterised" mean? It's somehow better at shooting animals?
+LittleMikey Military rifles typically have full-length wooden hand guards and metal hardware to fit a bayonet. "Sporterizing" is a generic term for removing the extra wood and metal bit to make the rifle lighter. It also includes replacing the military sights with commercial-style sights or a mount for a telescopic sight, and adding a padded buttplate to the stock. Things that tend to make the rifle more appealing to the hunter.
Forgotten Weapons I see, thanks very much for the info, and the videos!
+LittleMikey Also, in this specific instance, the sporterization also included adapting the rifle for commonly available rounds (the 30-06 rounds that were readily available in the US at the time). When these rifles were made, 7.62x54R ammunition was rare in the US, so to make the rifle more sellable they adapted it for firing cheap 30-06. Basically making it useful for the domestic market.
+ldobehardcore that makes sense, thanks.
+shadowrundas You did not just say that.
I have several nagants 7,62x54 original set up I use norma ammo they are great hunting rifles very accurate
Nice demo and explanation. I did not know about Mosin/USA.Thanks
Nice video. I didn’t know we were making the Mosins for the Russians before WW 2 and for sure didn’t know some were converted to 30-06. I have a 1942 M1891/30 now I want one of the 30-06’s.
Looks like Ethiopian military surplus 30-06 being used in the video. Very distinctive case head markings. Nice shooting and decent ammo.
Which eye is your master? Amazing how you are able to shift from left to right with apparent ease. I am a southpaw and have struggled with right hand actions for most of my life, but have finally managed to acquire two lefty match rifles which have helped greatly in improving my scores.
Bannerman Island is in the Hudson River near Newburgh and is now a crumbling fortress.
This is indeed an original. The US had to do something with them. Another neat piece of history in the plethora of history with regards to Mosin rifles.
Very interesting, as always
So anyway, another nice video. I remember hearing about how people weren't too sure about shooting it because of the set back chamber.
Wow... these things cost the equivalent of $40 bucks each in 1920... really makes me frustrated considering I could get a good
Mosin for $70-100 bucks a few years ago, and now they’re usually in the price range of $300...
Which is really frustrating! I’ve saved and saved for a deer rifle and a cheap mosin is all I want but I can’t find one for under 300 around me. I’m old enough to go hunting alone just need a rifle. Granted I’ve still got a Benelli I was gifted for my 16th birthday.
A 30-40 conversion would have a little less work and eased the pressure worries.
Wonderful intro!
thank you for your time and information I appreciate it
This is not anything I would have ever expected to see. I guess now it is kinda useless since 7.62x54R is abundant, at least at my house. I really enjoy my Mosin, and bet this rifle is fun too. Thanks for sharing.
That really looks like a nice handling 30-06. I don't think I would put any of my hunting loads through it, it would probably be ok but always err on the safe side when it comes to things that can explode with shrapenl etc. I hand load so ammo would not be a problem. Very cool gun.