I would suggest that it is more like 40% of pensioners NEED the winter fuel payment ,and YES it does look a spiteful and vindictive move on perceived Tory voters .I am 72 and will never vote Labour again .Never tory ,but not Labour !
Crass comments on Winter fuel allowance (90% of pensioner do not need it. Total lie) by commentators. Also, it is the Stupidity of the reform that is worrying. Out of 12.5 Mln pensioners 4.5 approx do not pay income tax because they earn less than £ 12 570 pa (Personal Allowance). This group should obviously keep the allowance. As per the rest 8 mln income tax payers, they could have applied a simple tapering mechanism, starting for instance, from an income of £ 15 000 pa. There are good reasons for granting an allowance to pensioners; simply because they are much more vulnerable to cold and related sickness. Pensioners that are now facing 10% increase in energy prices, without protection. Labour also proved not to be above lying, when pretending that the reform was essential to economic stability, when the saving amounts to 1.22 per thousand of the total government spending pa. They are even lying about the presumed protection afforded by the 'triplelock' mechanism
Old rich people who shouldn't be able to claim a benefit are angry that they wont receive money that can be better spent on the crumbling NHS which they are more likely to need... It's baffling that this is an issue.
Absolutely. As soon as rich old people are asked to make a sacrifice they can well afford they lose their minds and throw their toys out of the pram because they’re used to getting everything.
George Eaton's claim that cutting winter fuel payments will 'reassure the markets' is mistaken. It looks like the same mistake that Osborne and Cameron made after the GFC. Notice that the US economy and financial markets are strong at the moment *because* of the large US fiscal deficit. Investors are not calling for austerity.
This is not the labour party i grew up with. The labour party of old would have stood up for the elderly and disabled, they wouldn't have treated them like criminals just for claiming benefits. They would never have tried to snoop into our bank accounts with no evidence of wrongdoing. They are more like the Tory light. I didn't vote Tory because I hate their policies of hatred toward the vulnerable and now we've got Labour enacting the same policies. If voting helped the ordinary person in the street, they wouldn't let us do it.
Which Labour Party did you grow up with ? The figures are easily available and they show that the Tories have been in government appreciably longer than Labour. As for your subsequent sentences , where ids your evidence because I think you’re talking nonsense.
What policies can you point to that are negatively impacting disabled people? I ask as a disabled person. As for the WFA, 90% of pensioners don't need the benefit.
Instead of taking money from the elderly and people who need it, why not finally charge the big companies like Google, Amazon etc the taxes they haven't paid over the past 6/7 years!!
_"Who is Labour's approach thus far design to be for?"_ That weird new international corporate professional managerial elite class. The kind of people who think they're progressives because their hedge fund did some Tweets about diversity.
What part of nationalising railways, introducing more workers rights, rescinding draconian union laws and giving inflation busting pay rises to public sector workers gave you that impression?
Cunliffe thinks that the winter fuel allowance (WFA) isn't necessarily a disaster. In what universe does she inhabit where she thinks that an old person on £11,400 a year is sufficiently well-off that they do not require the allowance? Eaton thinks that voters might believe that withdrawing the WFA (whilst simultaneously awarding well-paid train drivers even more dosh) might highlight Labour's fiscal prudence to the electorate. They both demonstrate how wonderfully out of touch the posh English metropolitan middle-class are in their smug wee bubble.
They were too lazy, and too stupid to make the cut off fairer. Only if you are really on the very lowest income will you avoid the cut, but what about the millions of others who are still poor and will find the much higher fuel bills difficult to bear. Such utterly dimwitted politics.
It would be useful to examine the government's statistics on 90% of pensioners not needing the winter fuel payments I suspect it is a more believable 80%. The problem is it's the gatewsy benefit system where if you have income below a certain amount you qualify for a raft of state benefits the problem appears to be it's got no tapering so many folk just above the income level get no assistance where they could probably do with some tapering off of benefits not just in or out. I think many people would like to see a "fairer tax and benefit system" not so skewed to give the well advised endless ways to reduce their tax liabilities and for benefits a more tapered approach to get people interested in working as they see a real reason to work rather than just become expert at manipulating the system.
The twenty percenters are so much better pointing and barking from the opposition benches. The calibre (on both sides of the house)is dire. They’re out of their depth and most of us get it!
I get that Rachel is trying to do damage limitation. but there is no way if she is being fair can defend the way labour have handled the whole assisted dying stuff. It has been a total and unmitigated disaster!
Pensioners complain they will not receive £300 a year that they didn’t need, while working people have to find thousands in extra cash to cover the increased cost of their mortgages that the Tories left us.
Comments like 90% of pensioners do need the winter fuel payment is insidious. Not backed up. If you take £300 from someone that is a real cut whatever their circumstances. Above average wage increases to sectors of public services are a real increase. This is not an equitable deal. Good luck with that policy.
@@californiadreamin8423 Nobody but you has suggested that. Who said anything about it being an either-or issue? You have a lot to say for yourself, most of it is utter tripe.
@@deadandburied7626 it would be better if they had thought this through & put it in place over summer 2025, however, they haven't. So it's a help yourself scenario. First call your local council & ask for their assistance, if they cannot provide, ask for contact information of local charity groups they recommend that might assist. Finally & VERY, VERY importantly leave bank account details & private pension etc information blank, only enter that information when you are alone, do the rest of the form first & if you get the slightest whiff that your 'helper' is not a good egg. Call your community support officer at your local police station.
I mean I thought the strategy was quite obvious, old people don't vote Labour anymore (and never will again in the future) and young people are one of their only strong bases of support. Why would you not sacrifice old people to instead look after people who actually might vote for you? The tories have done the opposite for years, which again made perfect sense, why would they not prioritise looking after old people when that was their core vote?
The reason nobody knows about / can be optimistic about the public ownership stuff is because that is a Corbyn policy and so Starmer and his band of incompetents therefore don’t want to talk about it or promote it
@@thespiritphoenix3798So you would have let people lose the money they had in bank accounts and for a significant number of banks to fail completely? Funny how pretty much every major economy copied what Gordon Brown did to deal with the financial crisis (that started with sub-prime loans in America). Please define what has been economically miss managed, specifically, in the last 100 days.
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"90% of pensioners don't need the fuel allowance" - pure lies!
Absolutely true
I would suggest that it is more like 40% of pensioners NEED the winter fuel payment ,and YES it does look a spiteful and vindictive move on perceived Tory voters .I am 72 and will never vote Labour again .Never tory ,but not Labour !
Crass comments on Winter fuel allowance (90% of pensioner do not need it. Total lie) by commentators. Also, it is the Stupidity of the reform that is worrying. Out of 12.5 Mln pensioners 4.5 approx do not pay income tax because they earn less than £ 12 570 pa (Personal Allowance). This group should obviously keep the allowance. As per the rest 8 mln income tax payers, they could have applied a simple tapering mechanism, starting for instance, from an income of £ 15 000 pa. There are good reasons for granting an allowance to pensioners; simply because they are much more vulnerable to cold and related sickness. Pensioners that are now facing 10% increase in energy prices, without protection. Labour also proved not to be above lying, when pretending that the reform was essential to economic stability, when the saving amounts to 1.22 per thousand of the total government spending pa. They are even lying about the presumed protection afforded by the 'triplelock' mechanism
Old rich people who shouldn't be able to claim a benefit are angry that they wont receive money that can be better spent on the crumbling NHS which they are more likely to need... It's baffling that this is an issue.
Absolutely. As soon as rich old people are asked to make a sacrifice they can well afford they lose their minds and throw their toys out of the pram because they’re used to getting everything.
@@stopthetories I also bet these people complain about others claiming benefits.
George Eaton's claim that cutting winter fuel payments will 'reassure the markets' is mistaken. It looks like the same mistake that Osborne and Cameron made after the GFC. Notice that the US economy and financial markets are strong at the moment *because* of the large US fiscal deficit. Investors are not calling for austerity.
The Cold weather payment deletion looks like assisted dying to me...
Different times, new scapegoat.
Well it isn’t.
This is not the labour party i grew up with. The labour party of old would have stood up for the elderly and disabled, they wouldn't have treated them like criminals just for claiming benefits. They would never have tried to snoop into our bank accounts with no evidence of wrongdoing. They are more like the Tory light. I didn't vote Tory because I hate their policies of hatred toward the vulnerable and now we've got Labour enacting the same policies. If voting helped the ordinary person in the street, they wouldn't let us do it.
Which Labour Party did you grow up with ? The figures are easily available and they show that the Tories have been in government appreciably longer than Labour. As for your subsequent sentences , where ids your evidence because I think you’re talking nonsense.
@@californiadreamin8423Nonsense? Clearly you are an expert lol
What policies can you point to that are negatively impacting disabled people? I ask as a disabled person. As for the WFA, 90% of pensioners don't need the benefit.
Disabled people and pension credit receivers will still get the payment. Stop clutching your pearls
Instead of taking money from the elderly and people who need it, why not finally charge the big companies like Google, Amazon etc the taxes they haven't paid over the past 6/7 years!!
Perhaps they will. You can’t blame this government for the last 6/7 years.
_"Who is Labour's approach thus far design to be for?"_ That weird new international corporate professional managerial elite class. The kind of people who think they're progressives because their hedge fund did some Tweets about diversity.
What part of nationalising railways, introducing more workers rights, rescinding draconian union laws and giving inflation busting pay rises to public sector workers gave you that impression?
What about ‘making the broadest shoulders carry the burden’? Ah, poor pensioners, of course. What utter ineptitude!
Calm down.
The poorest pensioners are still able to claim the benefit...
Cunliffe thinks that the winter fuel allowance (WFA) isn't necessarily a disaster. In what universe does she inhabit where she thinks that an old person on £11,400 a year is sufficiently well-off that they do not require the allowance? Eaton thinks that voters might believe that withdrawing the WFA (whilst simultaneously awarding well-paid train drivers even more dosh) might highlight Labour's fiscal prudence to the electorate. They both demonstrate how wonderfully out of touch the posh English metropolitan middle-class are in their smug wee bubble.
Political hacks will say whatever in support of their party political football team
Have they mentioned higher taxes on the wealthy?
Heavily rumoured but the budget is coming in due course
90% OF PENSIONERS DONT NEED IT?????
You have information to the contrary on this statement. Be good to know it.
Cruel , vindictive and unnecessary.
They were too lazy, and too stupid to make the cut off fairer. Only if you are really on the very lowest income will you avoid the cut, but what about the millions of others who are still poor and will find the much higher fuel bills difficult to bear. Such utterly dimwitted politics.
It’s a sensible policy. 90% don’t need the winter fuel payement.
@@WolfloidThe problem with a different cut-off point is that it becomes more expensive to administer and the savings made will thereby be deminished.
@@californiadreamin8423 You don't know that. You shouldn't believe everything you hear or read. Didn't your mother teach you that?
@@californiadreamin8423Clearly showing your expertise again. Your data as well as your morality is clearly flawed
It would be useful to examine the government's statistics on 90% of pensioners not needing the winter fuel payments I suspect it is a more believable 80%. The problem is it's the gatewsy benefit system where if you have income below a certain amount you qualify for a raft of state benefits the problem appears to be it's got no tapering so many folk just above the income level get no assistance where they could probably do with some tapering off of benefits not just in or out.
I think many people would like to see a "fairer tax and benefit system" not so skewed to give the well advised endless ways to reduce their tax liabilities and for benefits a more tapered approach to get people interested in working as they see a real reason to work rather than just become expert at manipulating the system.
The twenty percenters are so much better pointing and barking from the opposition benches. The calibre (on both sides of the house)is dire. They’re out of their depth and most of us get it!
Most pensioners do not need the winter fuel payment. The working class should not be expected to fund the excessive lifestyles of wealthy pensioners.
I get that Rachel is trying to do damage limitation. but there is no way if she is being fair can defend the way labour have handled the whole assisted dying stuff. It has been a total and unmitigated disaster!
A free vote on assisted dying is the right thing to do
Pensioners complain they will not receive £300 a year that they didn’t need, while working people have to find thousands in extra cash to cover the increased cost of their mortgages that the Tories left us.
Public ownership of the railways will make no difference unless there is a commitment to bring HS2 into Euston as planned.
That is a non sequitur.
They have already said it’s going to happen… the issue is we own the railways but not the trains… absolutely remarkably stupid
It absolutely will make a difference even without HS2. You have no idea how the railways really work
Comments like 90% of pensioners do need the winter fuel payment is insidious. Not backed up. If you take £300 from someone that is a real cut whatever their circumstances. Above average wage increases to sectors of public services are a real increase. This is not an equitable deal. Good luck with that policy.
Got my letter saying no more WFP yesterday. 😢
Do you feel you deserve it more than children going to school hungry ?
Did it also include info on how to claim pension credit or are they wasting paper & postage on contacting you twice
@@californiadreamin8423 Nobody but you has suggested that. Who said anything about it being an either-or issue? You have a lot to say for yourself, most of it is utter tripe.
@@Claire-dg3gh not how to, but what benefits paid might entitle me to WFP. The claim form is 23 pages long 😓😱
@@deadandburied7626 it would be better if they had thought this through & put it in place over summer 2025, however, they haven't. So it's a help yourself scenario.
First call your local council & ask for their assistance, if they cannot provide, ask for contact information of local charity groups they recommend that might assist.
Finally & VERY, VERY importantly leave bank account details & private pension etc information blank, only enter that information when you are alone, do the rest of the form first & if you get the slightest whiff that your 'helper' is not a good egg. Call your community support officer at your local police station.
Why doesn't Rachel answer at 08:55 given the question was addressed to her?
Who's the guy spouting rubbish at the start?
Oh 9 million pensioners and their children who will have to help out , idiots
I mean I thought the strategy was quite obvious, old people don't vote Labour anymore (and never will again in the future) and young people are one of their only strong bases of support. Why would you not sacrifice old people to instead look after people who actually might vote for you?
The tories have done the opposite for years, which again made perfect sense, why would they not prioritise looking after old people when that was their core vote?
Where can people even find the full episodes?
There is an audio podcast and there is definitely shared marerial between that and these videos.
Be careful what you wish for! 😅
Free prescriptions will be next on Reeves list
The reason nobody knows about / can be optimistic about the public ownership stuff is because that is a Corbyn policy and so Starmer and his band of incompetents therefore don’t want to talk about it or promote it
When did Labour mismanage the economy?
In 2008 and in the 100 days they have been in power this year.
Whenever it was in government.
@@jonathancorbyn8203 Like when they managed the recovery after WW2? Be stupid elsewhere.
@@thespiritphoenix3798So you would have let people lose the money they had in bank accounts and for a significant number of banks to fail completely?
Funny how pretty much every major economy copied what Gordon Brown did to deal with the financial crisis (that started with sub-prime loans in America).
Please define what has been economically miss managed, specifically, in the last 100 days.
@@thespiritphoenix3798 That's a lie.
Maybe the old people who are outraged should stop spending their money on scones at the garden center... then they could afford heating
It wasn't until I started reading internet comments that I understood how bright I was. Or should I say what fools some people are?
@@gio-oz8gf Just a joke mate... surprised someone as bright as you didn't get it!