How Paiste developed their own version of the B20 alloy for the Formula 602 series in 1957
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Robert Paiste founded the Swiss factory across the lake from where Metallwerke Dornach was located by accident (Paiste had not started using B20 alloy at that time), little did he know they were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!
Robert Paiste initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production.
Metallwerke Dornach supplied B20 alloy for the Swiss mint, Swiss coins were made out of B20 bronze.
Paiste does not have a foundry, they have traditionally used an outside supplier to provide their alloys with the first production stage completed.
For the B20 alloy they are delivered to Paiste as circular “blanks”.
The B20 “blanks” were supplied by Swissmetal from 1957 to 1994, they were originally called "Metallwerke Dornach AG".
The Formula 602 and Sound creation lines were discontinued around 1994 (or earlier) because Swissmetal stopped making B20 blanks, it is understood that Swissmetal went through substantial financial difficulties during this time, it’s assumed it wasn’t cost effective for them at that point as Paiste would have been a small customer.
"Wieland works" in Vöhringen Germany now supply all of Paiste's alloys but specifically; they supply the B20 blanks for the “classic 602’s” and "modern essentials 602’s".
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Played and collected Zildjians for decades. That "hi-fi" analogy is spot on and is the main reason why I primarily only buy Paiste these days. The 22" vintage 602 in my collection is hands down the best all around cymbal I have ever played.
Thanks so much for watching!
I am now the proud owner of a pre serial 602 20" and also 14" hats, and WOW!! I love them!! They are so very different from my 1950s As, but so very tasty! I am officially hooked and cant wait to get more!!!!!!🥁❤️🥁
I hope you plan on going to the Chicago Drum Show this year, I'd love to run into you and talk Paiste!!!
@@brent3760Unfortunately, I live in Los Angeles, so the trip is just too far. You can contact me on Facebook or email me: type85@gmail.com
Vintage 602's and super formula 602's are the LAST undiscovered gems still at reasonable prices!
Fascinating, and illuminating
I always just thought it was the difference between sheets or plates of the bronzes, but it makes sense how some Turkish made can have more impurities in the metals.
I love zildjian i like Paiste. Zildjian for individual sound. Paiste for consistent purpose
It's apparent that with Masters they use a Turkish alloy. I had a whole set, but moved them on. They didn't do it for me, not Paiste enough. Today I use 602, 602 ME (darker) 2002 Big Beat ( B8, thinner 602 ME hammering) and PSTX. Paiste has so much to offer.
You are %100 percent correct! Not only do they use Turkish B20, but they are also hand hammered in Turkey. I also assume lathed, finished and tested int Switzerland!
That's just about what I heard. Shaped in Turkey, finished in Switzerland.@@thetype85
I gotta say, im a vintage Zildjian guy, specifically 1950s, bur i really want to try a vintage 602 thanks to you! 😁
Very cool! I'm glad I exposed you to something new!
@@thetype85Yes! Me too!!
U collect only Paiste?
Yes, that is correct!