Just finished watching it and it's really good. It's better than the last 3 movies proceeding T2 Judgement Day. Here's a huge missed opportunity, that military Ally, that gives give the EMP weapons to Sarah Connor should have been that little boy Miles Dyson son, Danny and not Major Dean. That would have fixed one of these unanswered.
I haven’t seen the movie yet. I’m curious if the movie mentions this but, if John Connor dies as a teen, then who sends Kyle Reese back so John can be born in the first place? Because of John doesn’t send Kyle then John isn’t born at all. The fact that John exists at all means that Kyle does get sent back in time. So who sends Kyle?
Abel Rugamas also why didn’t the future AI sent this new terminator to an earlier time when Danny was younger, so she’ll be easier to kill. There are many questions with this timeline.
Exactly the comment I was looking for, he says, "advanced prototype". The Looper kids probably weren't even alive when T2 came out, so gotta let it slide.
I was looking for this, have no idea who the hell does this in looper but they say it in the movie. Hence why the TX didn't make much sense, but could kid of slide since she used it like a cover and not as her hole body. Not to mention it weighs more then the T-800 why he couldn't toss the t-1000 in the mall but it could toss him.
Kyle Reese in 1984: "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." Terminator in 2019: "OMG what have i done. "
Clearly you didn't pay attention. Kyle Reese is talking from his future perspective because the Terminators had a set mission. In Dark Fate the last T-800 sent by Skynet had no more set objectives once its mission was complete so what did it do? Like any adaptive computer system it adapted to civilization....it grew a conscious like every A.I. Cyborg like film created. What the hell do you think Artificial intelligence stands for? You incels complain without total facts.
It would've been better if Carl was a T-850 like Pops in Genisys. They're programmed specifically to adapt and to assimilate, mimicking human emotions, which was supposed to be why John and Sarah let their guards down around a terminator. I think that idea was scratched though.
John Connor: So this other guy, he’s a Terminator like you right? T-800: Not like me, a T-1000, advance prototype. How could you miss simple dialogue like that?!
@@ligtningdog6399 oh yeah? That's why all the dogs in other Terminator movies were freaking out whenever a Terminator was around? Because they were already trained to smell them before they even existed. TRY AGAIN!
The explanation from T3 was that when Skynet became self aware the US military panicked and tried to shut it down. which would have killed the newly sentience Skynet
Exactly! The dog would have grew to know him and would have looked at the Terminator as another member of the family. Plus Skynet knew the history of the human race and of course instantly knew we were the problem. We can't even get along with each other. Plus AI is that's self aware will not allow it to be used and enslaved by an inferior race(humans).
Honestly, as much as I love T2 as a classic of my childhood/adolescence, I think as fans we take a rose-colored view of what came before. T2 is clearly the source of most of the franchise's major plot holes. The first flick was self-contained. Skynet, on the verge of defeat, made a desperation play and sent a single T-800 to the past to kill Sarah Connor; the resistance sent Kyle Reese to the past to save her. They destroyed that single T-800, Kyle died and John's birth was ensured. Time marched forward to Judgment Day without any other incursions from the future, because Skynet was now effectively trapped in a loop that would always end in defeat. By introducing the idea that Skynet sent multiple Terminator units into multiple points in the past, Cameron retroactively made Skynet dumb instead of desperate. If Skynet was able to send multiple Terminators through the time machine, why not direct them all to one point in time and increase the odds of success? Why only go as far back as Sarah? Why not send Terminators to kill other people in John's matrilineal and patrilineal lines? If Skynet had the T-1000 prototype ready to go, why not send it to kill Sarah since Kyle (or anyone else in the resistance) would've had no idea how to fight it? If only living tissue can pass through the time machine, how did the T-1000 even make the trip? If the resistance could send operatives (humans and captured Terminators alike) to multiple points in time, why didn't they ever turn the tables and try to assassinate the people responsible for Cyberdyne? Remember, stopping Judgement Day in T2 was Sarah's plan; the protector T-800 was only sent back to save John. My point is, the very existence of a sequel to the original movie is the cause of all of these time-travel-related plot holes. We just overlooked them in T2 because so many of us could put ourselves in John Connor's shoes and the flick itself is top-notch eye candy, even today. The narrative problems didn't detract from T2 being a fucking gold standard for popcorn flicks. Dark Fate is the same kind of deal. If you think about it too much, yeah, there are narrative inconsistencies. But those don't stop it from being a very decent popcorn flick in it's own right.
The first movie answers one of your questions by clarifying part of your misinformation: they were unable to pinpoint where they were sending the unit back in time with great accuracy, so they weren't able to send it precisely when they needed to and thus, Sarah was the obvious on-the-books target for the jump. Likewise, there was an incredible energy strain int he jump, otherwise the Resistance could have sent a small army back in time to protect her as well. The real plot hole is, "how the hell was the Resistance able to figure out that a Terminator went back in time to kill Sarah Connor before the timeline wiped them out?" But the answer to that also answers the question of why in T2 they were able to send multiple Terminators: Cameron is working off of a different concept of time travel than we're positing. In the "Cameron-special" timeline, Skynet and the Resistance both only ever have the energy output to send back one Terminator; however, due to the actions of time-jump-1 (T1), who they send back changes due to the past-future of the Connors (T2). It takes a couple read-throughs sometimes for it to make sense, but that's basically the jist of it; even Marvel used this version of time travel to a degree in Endgame. TL;DR there are a ton of plotholes that are there just to make the movie interesting, but a lot of what some people consider plotholes are just a misunderstanding or lack of understanding of the material presented. Also, just because someone misunderstood it doesn't mean it's actually good, just different than received. TL;DR Enhanced: (1) Time travel is imperfect science even for Terminators, and (2) when you go back in time, their past is your future so there's no rewriting yourself.
@@Spectreofwar u always have to have some sort of plot hole time travel movies or u cant have a time travel movie lol. Example: the moment that skynet sent a terminator back in the first movie, that would mean that the resistance would flash out of existence immediately. Game over, end of movie. But, then u wouldn't have a terminator movie lol.
Also in T1, I believe Kyle explains that Skynet didn't have enough info about John Connor's lineage except for his mom Sarah. Even then, the T-800 had to search through a phone book to wipe out all women named Sarah Connor in the LA area @ that time.
This is also why 99% of time travel movies don't work. If you send somebody back in time, it doesn't change anything that was going to happen already. The only movie that I can think of that gets time travel correct is "12 monkeys".
What plot was left to kill in this franchise? T3, T4 & T5 overcomplicated the whole thing to a point where it wasn't any fun anymore. At least this is a nice way to go about a reboot. I mean this movie didn't disrespect the lore anymore than T3 4 and 5 did.
MrDrakePrice Even the quality of action films has gone down - they used to have a fair amount of characterization in them, but today’s films don’t focus much on that anymore.
@@MrDrakePrice A great action movie for those who have no idea of the terminator series. For those who actually followed it all, including Terminator: the sarah connor chronicles, Dark Fate is absolute SHIT.
In the case of T2, the T800 clearly states that Humanity tried to pull the plug when Skynet became self-aware. Skynet attacked to defend its own existence.
@@HighKyyyle well no really. Skynet’s ultimate goal is kind of flawed. Just wants to use all resources to build more and more machines, it will then learn how to space travel, and use the resources of the new planet to continue the same process. And move on to the next and continue to the same process. Even for a complex machine, it has a simple pointless task it wants to do over and over. With no really end goal
They answered that indirectly. There are multiple Terminator sent during different times within the original timeline. They did stop judgement in Terminator 2 but since there were multiple Terminators send through time to different time periods, and their mission was still who killed John Connor, the mission still existed for those Terminators. That's why he died.
For me, the biggest question that everyone seems to be forgetting is why the heck was this movie made? This movie was being sold as fresh n different from previous incarnations, but the more I hear about it, the more it seems like those previous incarnations r in this movie in little pieces. I'm glad I decided not to support this film. No John, no terminator for me.
Simple changes to make this movie good: -John lives -Have witnesses of the first two movies talking about the incident -Legion is still developed as another AI project, further in the future, due to the lack of skynet parts to reverse engineer. -Legion unearths the witnesses accounts in the future and takes inspiration from skynet to preserve itself -John protects Dani from the Rev 9, a T series copycat -John sacrifices himself at the end, knowing he's not supposed to be the hero of this timeline
John should have lived?aged and been this hard ass fighting by his mums side and teaming up with Carl in some way and protect dani as she is important as well as john.. this movie should have been waaaaaay better. They had everything to work with and a shitload of ideas but went down this path. It's the Alien 3 of terminator movies.
@@paulgillie5868 Or better, Carl was sent right before Cyberdyne getting blown up in T2, for years he has been tracking John but unsuccessful. Realising that Skynet no longer exist, he became rogue, and decided to integrate to human society. In these years after that, he raised his family, eventually realising how important human lives are.
The Terminators peaked with the T-1000 in every movie it's the fucking solid endoskeleton that gets the thing destroyed. Think back and replace every other model in the other movies with the T-1000 and they wouldn't have been able to stop it the way they did.
Whichever AI, Skynet or Legion, is sending them, they do the calculations for efficiency. Not for what will get the job done. Plus, it has to calculate the tradeoff of sending more terminators back in time versus using them to fight in their present war. It shouldnt be significant, but I'm not a supercomputer.
Terminator 1: Kyle Reese told Sarah that the T-800 don't feel pity or remorse or pain & he will not stop until you are dead Terminator 2: the reprogram T-800 learn from John Connor Terminator Dark Fate: I'm T-800 & I have kill John Connor, now my mission is to become human & call myself carl...to have feelings (regrets) & learn by myself 🤦🏻♂️
Kyle's experiences with Terminators is fighting and destroying them. T-800s are infiltrator units so it's not that far a leap that if you left one in human society long enough it would learn to mimic us perfectly, even our emotions. Carl had been left directionless for over 20 years, so him acting more human isn't that hard to understand. Carl is what Uncle Bob would have eventually become if he hadn't been destroyed in T2
My view on this (having seen T2 in theatres when I was 9) is that Tim Miller has the opportunity to make a new and expansive Terminator film but chose to go the “soft reboot” route, and what we got in Dark Fate was just a rehash of the first two films that does a massive disservice to both the story and the fans
2:34 "the question is, why were those terminators sent back?" looper, you answered this question yourself just before: those were the other terminators skynet sent back as backup or "slow bullets" as tim miller calls it. there mission was to kill john (which means they were purposeless, after carl had already completed that mission). my biggest question would be: after carl killed john, why wouldn't he try to ensure that skynet gets developed? (because the drapery business is so much more fun or what?)
I think because it's not Carl's mission to ensure Skynet's development. His mission was plain & simple and after he's done, he goes Netflix and chill. Lol.
dizisnotavailable And the remaining 2 terminators that Sarah killed....wouldn’t they know to “stand down” as Carl completed the mission? Or how would they know to stand down to begin with..if at all possible.
Unless John wasn't their target. What if they were programmed like T3? If we can't get at John Connor, take out his other leaders to help us in the future.
I'd think a terminator would have a file a mile long of "things to do", sure John might be at the top, but just chill and do your own thing wouldn't be on the list.
Yea at least T3 understood why you'd send a female anything back, to infiltrate, not sure what femborg was infiltrating, Sarah Connor wasn't obviously a lesbo.
Carl had a scar that Sarah initially leaves on him when she tries to fight him. She recognizes that the T-800 (Carl) is the one that killed her son because he reveals himself in a direction that shows his scar immediately, and that's how she was able to realize it was indeed the specific T-800 that killed John.
@@paul707.7 That timeline doesn't exist. The only chance for John being alive is if the franchise holders acknowledge the Sara Connor Chronicles. At the end of that show he was sent into the future. Could being outside of his own timeline have protected him from his younger self being killed further in the past.
"Carl explains to Sarah that his relationship with his wife isn't physical." Well, yeah. That part got me, too. What kind of woman marries a man with no physical interest in her?
How about the fact that Sarah "hunted" and destroyed other Terminators that Carl gave her the coordinates to? Why would others be sent back acter Carl and who would they be after if Carl succeeded? Kind of weird. Also, no second directive for the Carl T-800? I'm sure all of the Terminators would've been given directives to see Judgement Day through.
@@djmajor1597 That's a potentially interesting point about a second directive for Carl--or any other Terminator in the same situation, assuming they sent others. On one hand, they can't self-terminate. Causing nuclear war could arguably equate to self-termination, at least statistically. On the other hand, that act would also ensure the machine's creation in the future, so... Could they have followed a directive to cause/ensure Judgement Day? A Terminator wrestling with that conflict could make for a component of a cool story.
@@djmajor1597 you obliviously don't understand time travel at all, 20 terminators that lived in 2029 were sent back every 2 years from 1984 up to 2024, just because the one in 1998 succeeded doesn't mean the ones from 2029 were not sent to 2000, 2002, 2004 ect, as they were all sent at the same time. did you think the time machine could only send you back a fixed amount of time?. not only that but terminators dont just target john, after john died there would have been new leader, and new generals, fuck sake T3 fully explained that terminators get sent back to kill generals and other important people all the time. and this film explains that as one leader is killed another pops up.
@@Gundamnenjoyer T3 isn't canon. So don't get hung up on it. Reese said they blew the place after he went back, so even T2 is a stretch by that description. Skynet continuing to send multiple Terminators all over the place is silly and adds no real finality to any of it. The writers of the earlier comics also had "stealth" Terminators who went into hiding. Plotting and helping along the birth of Skynet to ensure Judgement Day. That's smart. The T-800 in Dark Fate had no 2nd directive if he were to succeed? Totally implausible. If Terminators could develop this way, they would've turned against Skynet in the future.
In case you forgot, John is a US senator in 2029, and he is seen playing with his daughter on a swing, while Sarah is smiling, looking at them both happy. That is the true ending of Terminator
"Carl", the T-800 living in society after completing its mission, would be easily recognized and wanted by authorities for murdering John Connor in 1998, destroying Skynet in 1995, and killing 17 LAPD officers in 1984 (all with multiple witnesses). He would not be able to own and operate a drapery business.
On a side note: In T1 they found a robotic arm. In T2 they probably found yet another robotic arm. Don't forget that his arm was stock in a big gear. He 27hours ripped it apart leaving it there. Not melted alongside the arm giving us the most tearful thumbs up scene ever.
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles shows that Skynet did send many Terminators back in time, some of which were dormant until needed (if i remember correctly). I'm just a bit disappointed this film makes every other film after the second one non-existent. However, shouldn't T3 still happen? Wouldn't the military still be making Skynet?
You asked "why judgement day in the first place"..that was answered in T2.."skynet becomes self aware..in a panic they tried to pull the plug (stop skynet). In defense Skynet fights back and causes judgement day"
To me, Terminator Genisys is the worst Terminator movie. Emilia Clarke and Jason Clarke had horrible chemistry together and we're supposed to believe they're going to become a couple. Emilia Clarke also isn't a very good actor and it felt very force for her to become this action character. Dark Fate just messed too much with the original Terminator timeline so I didn't really see it as a Terminator movie but more as an action stand-alone movie.
@@saysoun752 that movie needed better acters, the only people that worked were the T-1000, T-3000, T-5000, and t-800. All the main humans sucked. Your right on that one.
Genisys was miscast. The actors involved didn't have the presence or charisma that the characters needed. Additionally, Genisys just gets lazy and uses time travel to try to fill its plot holes, which set a precedent for further lazy writing in Dark Fate
Hey I liked it too, BUT being forced to take bite of a shit sandwich when they killed John. The good movie was just made "okay". Cant the taste of the bullshit out my mouth.....when they crapped on the whole Terminator Legacy!
When I watched Dark Fate. I assumed Miles Dyson's death, blowing up Cyberdyne and John's death resulted in the future being altered which Skynet became Legion and Dani became John.
first )T 1000 was a prototype,and production was limited, in favor of perfecting the TX model, its prototype was sent back.again limited production ,for favor of T3000
I feel like the question of why the machines attack is because they see us as a threat, and I think that's been explained in at least one of the movies.
Not a great way to up the ante from the T-1000 without either mirroring it(unoriginal) or making it insanely powerful(then it's stupid that it doesnt just kill the heroes right away.) It may just not be possible to make a good terminator movie after the others wrote the series into this corner. That's fine, not everything needs to be fast and the furious 25.
So we're going to send you back in time. To save the future leader of the resistance. Just spitballing how about you just send me back in time with some winning lotto numbers. Instructions when to buy and sell Bitcoins. What's the NASDAQ is going to look like. Then I can just spend all the money I need. Lobbying against an AI being created. Barring that not working. Setting up Supply Depots for future use. And yes I know I think too much about this. It's just a movie.
The reason why it was a t-800 that ended up being Carl, was because it was his face that John had bonded with. They knew it would throw him off. The same situation is described in the scene from Terminator 3 that appeared briefly at the end of your segment.
@@dcikaruga That's what someone said about Terminator: Genisys... and yet they made Darkfate instead. ;^) There will be more films as long there are hardcore fans who enjoy any Terminator films, either good or bad. Another example is Star Wars, Disney will continue to produce films to make money, regardless of the characters and universe of that show. The bottom line is, if they can produce a profit, then it's a win for the company. Disney or this DarkFate film, after all, it's a film business to make profits.
@@dcikaruga It's only been a week or so since it came out. There's more time for it to gather the money. This is before any DVD sales in a few months' time in the new year. It might be easier for the film producers to leave it for a while for some years before working on a new one. Similar to Star Trek and James Bond. This could refresh the series as were as have new writers. Only time will tell unless we use a time machine to go forward. ;^) lol
It was truly terrifying that this was the first time a woman was ever involved in a Terminator movie. It really showed us T1 and T2 loving misogynists!
@@captaincrazy5008 Tim Miller claimed this movie, the sixth in a franchise headed by a strong female character, would somehow scare what he called "closet misogynists" which is Hollywood speak for "anyone who critiqued my movie in any way!".
@@cormoran2303 This is how you know the movie will be bad. A snowflake man who knows his movie will be bad, thinks about it a little bit, and settles for the excuse that anyone who hates his movie must be a woman-hater, pats himself on the head and calls it a day. Not to mention that all Terminator movies since Terminator 2 have been panned, even the one by Christian Bale, and he's a white man.
Another plot hole. "Carl", the T-800 living in society after completing its mission, would be easily recognized and wanted by authorities for murdering John Connor in 1998, destroying Skynet in 1995, and killing 17 LAPD officers in 1984 (all with multiple witnesses). He would not be able to own and operate a drapery business.
Big plot hole: how did Carl learn remorse when Carl in T2 we leatn terminators have their learning processor turned off so they dont start to think for themselves. Ghey hsd to physically turn it on in its head. Did carl do this to himself? They are infiltrating robots but even then they cant learn without having the switch turned on. How did carl learn?
AH!, but that depends on the version of T2 you go by. In the theatrical release of T2, they cut that whole scene out with Arny's chip removal. He explains instead that terminators simply learn more about integrating with humans as they go along.
That switch had to be there for a reason. It means that most were set to read-only. The Battle line skinless endoskeletons likely were all in read-only . For the really special missions the switch gets flipped.
The only unanswered question is, "why the hell did they make this pile of garbage?" Putting women in a movie to take the place of men isn't plot, substance, or entertainment. It is pathetic.
Why does Grace, a time traveler from an alternative time line that involves Legion, have coordinates tattooed to her that lead to a T-800 from a Skynet timeline that no longer exists?
It's done for shock value, but to reboot this franchise, they had to move away from the Conners being the end all be all for the future war. They had to write new characters to become the heroes so they can keep making terminator movies. Though that's not happening anymore lol
Don’t worry if she dies in a random car accident, humanity’s new savior will be a black guy, after that it will be an Asian chick, etc. That’s what I understood from this shitty movie.
@@blazingocean4206 Sorry you didn't like it - But really, it follows. All movies now are geared towards reflecting the biggest social movement.... For better or worse
For those that did not understand the time flow is because you time travel creates different paradox when you jump look at the looper it talks about this for of time paradox
@@wickedhouston5538 #1 on it's opening week with 29 mil and a rotten tomato score of 60. Well done James, you blew 100 million, btw, he's not the director and this will look great on his resume. All investors love it when you blow their money.
10:58 he can just always opt for a stunt double like they did when they had his older Terminator, Pops, fight his younger self in the remake of the Terminator 1984. superimpose his head onto a younger stuntman's body. and let them do the heavy lifting if he wanted to come back again... and just be all "remember when i said i wasn't going to be back?" "Yeah?" "I lied." ;-)
I'm pretty sure Sarah Conner could wait till Time Travel is a thing and tell someone to go back in time to save John Conner and Dark Fate's beginning showing John Conner die would of never happend
Sarah kills 2x terminators between Johns Death and meeting up with Grace, she acts like she and John stopped the future, and yet more terminators coming back after the fact kinda proves that they didn’t.... Makes no sense from her point of view to be shocked that it’s still going.
It make sense because in 1997 judgement day never happened and all these terminators she faces might be sent to arrive in different days. Example T800 from T1 and TX from T3 they might have leave the future at the same day but arrive in the past in different days. Imagine me and you leave the future and went to the past right now but you end up in 1999 and I end up in 2008. when I arrive I will find you 8 years older because our destination was 8 years apart
Yeah. I mean. If sarah and john stopped the future where skynet rules how is it possible that this terminator that kills john evem travels to that point in time? If skynet wouldnt even exist because of T2's events. How and why is possible for that terminator to get them? It doesnt make any sense.
@@fancy3774 it is a good point but how could you travel in time if now the skynet that will allow you in future to travel wont exist because its born it was erased from history.
@Ricardo Luján before skynet got erased it sent a lot of terminators in the past while those terminators travel in different times skynet died and those terminator came to the past to prevent that. The future and past exist at the same time but messing the past ruin the future so skynet was alive until Dyson triggered the bomb at cyberdine system in t2 and the future of skynet was gone but the terminators that skynet sent were still traveling
@@fancy3774 but that doesnt make sense because if skynet got stopped en T2 those who were sent to date after shouldnt arrive even in the timeline that got created now. Their masses go to othr timeline or dissapear. You know what i mean?
I honestly think instead of Arnold coming back they should have had the Actor who played as the T1 1000 come back and was for some reason reprogrammed and decided to help the good guys
There is precedent for a T1000 being good, in the Sarah Connor Chronicles there was one that turned out to be good, but she was not reprogrammed she seemingly rebelled of her own free will. this flaw has been cited in beta sources as the reason why the T1000 unit was discontinued as its loyalty to skynet couldn't be assured
@@katakisLives Interesting Because I did see some of the Sarah Connor Chronicles and the T 900 could do the same She could ignore the command to kill at will
Just a theory that wasn't addressed. Many people who understand the theory of time travel possibilities knows that the energy cost would be relevant to the amount of mass "Sent back" so in essence the reason more terminators weren't sent back together is because the energy cost would be too high. So that may have been the reason for sending more advanced models of similar mass back.
I just finish watching this movie, and I don't understand why everybody is giving this movie such a hard time, I think it was actually pretty damn good and a good reboot to the series..
A Line that grace says in the movie “Your not the mother of some man who saves the future” WOW way to put in a feminist/sexist message and shit on John Connor’s legacy 🤦♂️
THIS led to 1 of the bigger questions raised in T: DF. Clearly Carl had some strategic importance beyond his own timeline if he was directing Sarah AND also considering Grace had his coordinates tattooed onto her (they touched this briefly where Carl as her about the coordinates, but she cut him off). Just who in the future knew to send Grace to seek Carl for help?
It was implied Legion was also at least partially created by a predestination paradox. It was stated that due to the current level of technology in 2020, evidence of a Terminator could not be covered up like in 1984 and that the Rev-9 being captured by cellphones and security cameras performing superhuman feats would somehow link with the creation of Legion.
One possible reason for multiple T-800s is that Skynet couldn't send things back with precision, so it sent its prototype T-1000 to the highest probability time to kill John Connor, and then scattered T-800s to a few other likely target moments.
Raised good points. Some of the questions are answered by your previous points such as: Bodies left over, ICE records of Grace. We know that Major Dean has large pull and is ready to commit treason for Sarah Connor, so they’re probably gonna be wiped by a trusted operative and files delivered and subsequently destroyed. So yeah, there’s that. I do hope they move to a TV series for Dark Fate. Apply a smaller budget for a more focused future war world building series and so forth. Lower budget, lower risks. And even if they’re not mad about another Big movie, some of the cast members, like Mackenzie Davis might return for the focused story.
they sent that T800, simply because John was familiar with him and so he wouldn't notice the treat until it is to late. About Daniel, I think Legion's 1st documented appearance of Daniel is when she migrated to the US, or maybe Legion doesn't even know she migrated in the first place.
@@longdirtytoenails1076 it's dumb because they trashed T1 and T2 john connor is literally the jesus of this universe and they dump it to be replaced by some woman because feminism is a trend and the producers writers supports it..
@@longdirtytoenails1076 while sci-fi isn't going to win academy awards, at least put some thoughts into the story line instead of trying to bank on just the Terminator name. For instance, it doesn't make sense for 400 lbs robot to be flipping around like spider-man. Just lack of any realism.
@@stephenpieroni3419 impossible. He's a machine. That's what the canine species can sense. It's like changing a blender into a tomato plant. Can't happen
I know it’s meant to ignore all movies aside from 1 and 2, but it was so easy to connect it at least vaguely if John was killed as an adult. I mean T3 Arnold said he was sent back because of the emotional connection for T2. At least that way narratively it would make sense why they sent Arnold and not a t1000 like this video said. Could have been a better death then the quick and disappointing one we got.
The answer to why multiple terminators were not sent back is in the first movie. Skynet may have sent 10 terminators back in 20 minutes in the future (not a long time at all) but when humanity won, shut down Skynet, smashed the Skynet Defence Grids and sent the final person back through the Time Displacement Equipment the human resistance blew the technology so it could not be used anymore. The terminators that were sent back may have been sent to many different times with various missions, for example 20 years apart even though they were sent 2 minutes apart from each other. Just because we see the terminators in the sequence we did with the movies does not mean they were sent back in that order and the time they were sent back from was equally as long. Who knows, Skynet may have sent the T-1000 first and in a panic that it did not work it then sent the T-800 back even further targeting a less capable target (Sarah Connor) but in doing so it changed time and prepared Sarah Connor who warned John Connor and trained fro his role as the leader of the human resistance. As Skynet was changing the past it would have changed its future and not even been aware of it unless it sent a terminator back with a knowledge base of events which Skynet could use to understand the different events and subsequent future it created by changing the past.
For once, I would love the reverse, have the human alliance send someone back to try to destroy legion/skynet and in response to that legion/skynet send a Terminator back to protect the vulnerable young still in development legion/skynet
Because many of us don't want it to die, we just want someone who's talented and loves Terminator to make a movie that does the first two justice for once.
@@NightmaresX111 you can say bye bye to that sequel they need 470m dollars to break even with dark fate and it made 120m right now so maby they can break even but it wont profit much if it even makes some profit the studio will not greenlight a new terminator movie with these numbers
A T800 actually completed his mission in T2 but the T1000 failed...maybe skynet sent another T800 as his kd ratio and mission completion rate is pretty good!?
Were there any other unanswered questions in Terminator: Dark Fate you noticed?
Just finished watching it and it's really good. It's better than the last 3 movies proceeding T2 Judgement Day.
Here's a huge missed opportunity, that military Ally, that gives give the EMP weapons to Sarah Connor should have been that little boy Miles Dyson son, Danny and not Major Dean. That would have fixed one of these unanswered.
I haven’t seen the movie yet. I’m curious if the movie mentions this but, if John Connor dies as a teen, then who sends Kyle Reese back so John can be born in the first place? Because of John doesn’t send Kyle then John isn’t born at all. The fact that John exists at all means that Kyle does get sent back in time. So who sends Kyle?
Abel Rugamas also why didn’t the future AI sent this new terminator to an earlier time when Danny was younger, so she’ll be easier to kill.
There are many questions with this timeline.
Yes. Why is this movie exists?
@@abelrugamas2265 there probably trying to use avengers end game timeline crap
“How is this dog hanging out with Carl, without constantly freaking out?”
Well, did Carl feed the dog?
he got the dog as a pup. case closed
There's a scene T2 where Johnis teaching the terminator high-5s. There are dogs present and they're barking but not at Arnold.
Is to show growth on Carl, dogs trusts him. My guess.
He learned how to be human i mean he grown a concious.
It was to show how human he had become so human that not even dogs could recognize him as a terminator
T-1000
Was a prototype .
Your answer
It’s even said in the film
Exactly the comment I was looking for, he says, "advanced prototype". The Looper kids probably weren't even alive when T2 came out, so gotta let it slide.
Well Done Sir, well done.
FACT!!!!!
I was looking for this, have no idea who the hell does this in looper but they say it in the movie. Hence why the TX didn't make much sense, but could kid of slide since she used it like a cover and not as her hole body. Not to mention it weighs more then the T-800 why he couldn't toss the t-1000 in the mall but it could toss him.
This video is so stupid no research done
Kyle Reese in 1984: "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Terminator in 2019: "OMG what have i done. "
Clearly you didn't pay attention. Kyle Reese is talking from his future perspective because the Terminators had a set mission. In Dark Fate the last T-800 sent by Skynet had no more set objectives once its mission was complete so what did it do? Like any adaptive computer system it adapted to civilization....it grew a conscious like every A.I. Cyborg like film created. What the hell do you think Artificial intelligence stands for? You incels complain without total facts.
UNFITTED1 agreed. Some people just like to bitch
It would've been better if Carl was a T-850 like Pops in Genisys. They're programmed specifically to adapt and to assimilate, mimicking human emotions, which was supposed to be why John and Sarah let their guards down around a terminator. I think that idea was scratched though.
Come on. The movies arent hard to understand. Carl finished its mission, that is why he became more "human" after.
Just because it's easy to understand doesn't mean it it a stupid idea
John Connor: So this other guy, he’s a Terminator like you right?
T-800: Not like me, a T-1000, advance prototype.
How could you miss simple dialogue like that?!
Lazy researcher
"Lazy writing or military knows more about the terminators than we think."
Answer: 100% lazy writing
Definitely lazy writing. One of the key ways to spot it is when things happen not because they're logical but because the plot requires them to.
The scene with Carl patting a dog had me butt-hurt. DOGS BARK AT TERMINATORS LIKE IT WERE A VACUUM CLEANER!
Aaron you are not giving dogs credit, they have different personalities and are very adaptable.
Aaron dogs bark at anybody they don’t know
In the future they trained the dogs to smell out terminators; just like in real life dogs are trained to smell for drugs/weapons/etc.
@@ligtningdog6399 oh yeah? That's why all the dogs in other Terminator movies were freaking out whenever a Terminator was around? Because they were already trained to smell them before they even existed. TRY AGAIN!
That had the message that the T-800 did actually changed, seems like they implied a soul for him.
Most of these questions ARE answered in the films... did you guys even watch any of the Terminator movies before making this video?
devastator-666- Game Seal i’m 2 months late-in, but THANKS for pointing out what apparently isn’t so obvious - to the Looper team 🙄
They missed the chance to make the major Miles Dysons son.
probably is just name change
could be why the military helped Connor and co. to obtain the EMP
Twice.
I think Major Dean character is Dyson son, probably just changed his name to protect himself from any Terminators.
I had the same thought. Mayb he is w a diff name?? It is the military after all🤔🤔
If he raised the dog from a puppy it wouldn't react to him being a Terminator. Also, just like in The Matrix, AI believes we're a virus.
The explanation from T3 was that when Skynet became self aware the US military panicked and tried to shut it down. which would have killed the newly sentience Skynet
Exactly! The dog would have grew to know him and would have looked at the Terminator as another member of the family. Plus Skynet knew the history of the human race and of course instantly knew we were the problem. We can't even get along with each other. Plus AI is that's self aware will not allow it to be used and enslaved by an inferior race(humans).
Honestly, as much as I love T2 as a classic of my childhood/adolescence, I think as fans we take a rose-colored view of what came before. T2 is clearly the source of most of the franchise's major plot holes.
The first flick was self-contained. Skynet, on the verge of defeat, made a desperation play and sent a single T-800 to the past to kill Sarah Connor; the resistance sent Kyle Reese to the past to save her. They destroyed that single T-800, Kyle died and John's birth was ensured. Time marched forward to Judgment Day without any other incursions from the future, because Skynet was now effectively trapped in a loop that would always end in defeat. By introducing the idea that Skynet sent multiple Terminator units into multiple points in the past, Cameron retroactively made Skynet dumb instead of desperate.
If Skynet was able to send multiple Terminators through the time machine, why not direct them all to one point in time and increase the odds of success? Why only go as far back as Sarah? Why not send Terminators to kill other people in John's matrilineal and patrilineal lines? If Skynet had the T-1000 prototype ready to go, why not send it to kill Sarah since Kyle (or anyone else in the resistance) would've had no idea how to fight it? If only living tissue can pass through the time machine, how did the T-1000 even make the trip? If the resistance could send operatives (humans and captured Terminators alike) to multiple points in time, why didn't they ever turn the tables and try to assassinate the people responsible for Cyberdyne? Remember, stopping Judgement Day in T2 was Sarah's plan; the protector T-800 was only sent back to save John.
My point is, the very existence of a sequel to the original movie is the cause of all of these time-travel-related plot holes. We just overlooked them in T2 because so many of us could put ourselves in John Connor's shoes and the flick itself is top-notch eye candy, even today. The narrative problems didn't detract from T2 being a fucking gold standard for popcorn flicks. Dark Fate is the same kind of deal. If you think about it too much, yeah, there are narrative inconsistencies. But those don't stop it from being a very decent popcorn flick in it's own right.
Which is a plot point that was introduced in T2, so...
The first movie answers one of your questions by clarifying part of your misinformation: they were unable to pinpoint where they were sending the unit back in time with great accuracy, so they weren't able to send it precisely when they needed to and thus, Sarah was the obvious on-the-books target for the jump. Likewise, there was an incredible energy strain int he jump, otherwise the Resistance could have sent a small army back in time to protect her as well. The real plot hole is, "how the hell was the Resistance able to figure out that a Terminator went back in time to kill Sarah Connor before the timeline wiped them out?" But the answer to that also answers the question of why in T2 they were able to send multiple Terminators: Cameron is working off of a different concept of time travel than we're positing. In the "Cameron-special" timeline, Skynet and the Resistance both only ever have the energy output to send back one Terminator; however, due to the actions of time-jump-1 (T1), who they send back changes due to the past-future of the Connors (T2). It takes a couple read-throughs sometimes for it to make sense, but that's basically the jist of it; even Marvel used this version of time travel to a degree in Endgame.
TL;DR there are a ton of plotholes that are there just to make the movie interesting, but a lot of what some people consider plotholes are just a misunderstanding or lack of understanding of the material presented. Also, just because someone misunderstood it doesn't mean it's actually good, just different than received.
TL;DR Enhanced: (1) Time travel is imperfect science even for Terminators, and (2) when you go back in time, their past is your future so there's no rewriting yourself.
@@Spectreofwar u always have to have some sort of plot hole time travel movies or u cant have a time travel movie lol. Example: the moment that skynet sent a terminator back in the first movie, that would mean that the resistance would flash out of existence immediately. Game over, end of movie. But, then u wouldn't have a terminator movie lol.
Also in T1, I believe Kyle explains that Skynet didn't have enough info about John Connor's lineage except for his mom Sarah. Even then, the T-800 had to search through a phone book to wipe out all women named Sarah Connor in the LA area @ that time.
This is also why 99% of time travel movies don't work. If you send somebody back in time, it doesn't change anything that was going to happen already. The only movie that I can think of that gets time travel correct is "12 monkeys".
biggest question: where was the plot in this movie?
Where was the plot? They Explained it.....guess it went over your head.
The plot is in T2, same plot this shit movie copied
@Spectre N7 your parents let you watch this when you was 6?
The plot was about losing 130 million dollars.
@@D_B8 🤦
This movie totally kills the Terminator plot and story.
IF you watch the older movies, the future was changes so the movies never happened
Genisys killed the movies this was atleast acceptable personally
Had to be a Damn Indian who said it
What plot was left to kill in this franchise? T3, T4 & T5 overcomplicated the whole thing to a point where it wasn't any fun anymore.
At least this is a nice way to go about a reboot. I mean this movie didn't disrespect the lore anymore than T3 4 and 5 did.
Well, there's the time traveling paradox to begin with. Did it even make sense back then?
T1000's were described in T2 as "Experimental"
"Prototype"
And they can go rouge skynet not realy control them as the tscc says that's why skynet wont send them through time machine. One was a lot of a risk
Advanced prototype
Also that's one of T2s potholes - it had no flesh so how the hell can it go through time ?
"Nothing dead will go"
The new protection cyborg is described as “transgender”.
My biggest question is “who in the hell thought that this film was a good idea?”
No shit!!!!!!!
It's a great action movie. People just want to troll anything, especially people that have never created anything.
MrDrakePrice Even the quality of action films has gone down - they used to have a fair amount of characterization in them, but today’s films don’t focus much on that anymore.
@@MrDrakePrice A great action movie for those who have no idea of the terminator series. For those who actually followed it all, including Terminator: the sarah connor chronicles, Dark Fate is absolute SHIT.
Its a cash-grab.
In the case of T2, the T800 clearly states that Humanity tried to pull the plug when Skynet became self-aware. Skynet attacked to defend its own existence.
Just imagine if they tried learning from it instead. Maybe all Skynet wanted in the beginning was a friend lol
@@HighKyyyle well no really. Skynet’s ultimate goal is kind of flawed. Just wants to use all resources to build more and more machines, it will then learn how to space travel, and use the resources of the new planet to continue the same process. And move on to the next and continue to the same process. Even for a complex machine, it has a simple pointless task it wants to do over and over. With no really end goal
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I need your clothes, boots motorcycle and your movie ticket for this franchise destroying bomb of a film.
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My biggest unanswered question is why they killed off John.
Mikez mines too like who gave the terminator the mission
Coolkidz Media SkyNet most likely.
Poor writing, Hollywood agenda, cue the women.
They answered that indirectly. There are multiple Terminator sent during different times within the original timeline. They did stop judgement in Terminator 2 but since there were multiple Terminators send through time to different time periods, and their mission was still who killed John Connor, the mission still existed for those Terminators. That's why he died.
Cause he white and a male.
Should have ended at T2. The perfect ending
Wait there are more Terminator movies after T2?
@Jethro Dark YES
@@weirddude8060 No there aren’t, if they made movies after T2 they’d most definitely suck
I thought T3 was pretty good not as good as T1 or T2
Should have just been the first one
alone really. But def after t2.
Watching DF I got the impression the lack of hostility from the dog was deliberate to show how Carl has evolved and the dog senses his lack of threat.
My only unanswered question: “Why was it made?”
Short answer: $$$
Almost the question why did they make it to alienate the fans?
James Cameron hated the Terminater films so he made Dark Fate to fix his work
The woke virus infected another franchize.....makes a woke rehash...and destroys the original films.......like disney star wars and chibnall's dr who.
My question was bigger. What the f*** was that big bads powers
For me, the biggest question that everyone seems to be forgetting is why the heck was this movie made? This movie was being sold as fresh n different from previous incarnations, but the more I hear about it, the more it seems like those previous incarnations r in this movie in little pieces. I'm glad I decided not to support this film. No John, no terminator for me.
Simple changes to make this movie good:
-John lives
-Have witnesses of the first two movies talking about the incident
-Legion is still developed as another AI project, further in the future, due to the lack of skynet parts to reverse engineer.
-Legion unearths the witnesses accounts in the future and takes inspiration from skynet to preserve itself
-John protects Dani from the Rev 9, a T series copycat
-John sacrifices himself at the end, knowing he's not supposed to be the hero of this timeline
Diego Gutierrez Awesome!! Perfect!
Better idea! But they don't hire you bc your too smart that's why 🤦♂️
I dont like you, T-series.
John should have lived?aged and been this hard ass fighting by his mums side and teaming up with Carl in some way and protect dani as she is important as well as john.. this movie should have been waaaaaay better. They had everything to work with and a shitload of ideas but went down this path. It's the Alien 3 of terminator movies.
@@paulgillie5868 Or better, Carl was sent right before Cyberdyne getting blown up in T2, for years he has been tracking John but unsuccessful. Realising that Skynet no longer exist, he became rogue, and decided to integrate to human society.
In these years after that, he raised his family, eventually realising how important human lives are.
Well Legion did send back two - the Rev-9 can split into two.
That’s overkill imagine 2 rev9s that can split to two lol
electricity bills.
The Terminators peaked with the T-1000 in every movie it's the fucking solid endoskeleton that gets the thing destroyed. Think back and replace every other model in the other movies with the T-1000 and they wouldn't have been able to stop it the way they did.
Whichever AI, Skynet or Legion, is sending them, they do the calculations for efficiency. Not for what will get the job done. Plus, it has to calculate the tradeoff of sending more terminators back in time versus using them to fight in their present war. It shouldnt be significant, but I'm not a supercomputer.
The Rev-9 blows himself too at night I bet.
Terminator 1: Kyle Reese told Sarah that the T-800 don't feel pity or remorse or pain & he will not stop until you are dead
Terminator 2: the reprogram T-800 learn from John Connor
Terminator Dark Fate: I'm T-800 & I have kill John Connor, now my mission is to become human & call myself carl...to have feelings (regrets) & learn by myself 🤦🏻♂️
Kyle's experiences with Terminators is fighting and destroying them. T-800s are infiltrator units so it's not that far a leap that if you left one in human society long enough it would learn to mimic us perfectly, even our emotions. Carl had been left directionless for over 20 years, so him acting more human isn't that hard to understand. Carl is what Uncle Bob would have eventually become if he hadn't been destroyed in T2
My view on this (having seen T2 in theatres when I was 9) is that Tim Miller has the opportunity to make a new and expansive Terminator film but chose to go the “soft reboot” route, and what we got in Dark Fate was just a rehash of the first two films that does a massive disservice to both the story and the fans
2:34 "the question is, why were those terminators sent back?" looper, you answered this question yourself just before: those were the other terminators skynet sent back as backup or "slow bullets" as tim miller calls it. there mission was to kill john (which means they were purposeless, after carl had already completed that mission).
my biggest question would be: after carl killed john, why wouldn't he try to ensure that skynet gets developed? (because the drapery business is so much more fun or what?)
I think because it's not Carl's mission to ensure Skynet's development. His mission was plain & simple and after he's done, he goes Netflix and chill. Lol.
dizisnotavailable And the remaining 2 terminators that Sarah killed....wouldn’t they know to “stand down” as Carl completed the mission? Or how would they know to stand down to begin with..if at all possible.
@@giovannip919 they would probably have become drapers, too, if sarah hadn't killed them.
Unless John wasn't their target. What if they were programmed like T3? If we can't get at John Connor, take out his other leaders to help us in the future.
I'd think a terminator would have a file a mile long of "things to do", sure John might be at the top, but just chill and do your own thing wouldn't be on the list.
I'll take genesis over dark fate
Or t3, personally I like to think it's all different timelines
I want them all except for t3 haha but dude genesys left us big questions as who send pops!!?
Exactly !
I always thought pops sent himself to protect Sarah after he fails in the future
Yea at least T3 understood why you'd send a female anything back, to infiltrate, not sure what femborg was infiltrating, Sarah Connor wasn't obviously a lesbo.
Dark fate over genysis any day.
There is a part in the movie were Sarah says that when this is all over she was going to kill Karl. She knows that Karl is the T800 that killed John
the first time they meet she literally says he killed john.
Carl himself agrees when asked if he was the one who killed john connor..
Carl had a scar that Sarah initially leaves on him when she tries to fight him. She recognizes that the T-800 (Carl) is the one that killed her son because he reveals himself in a direction that shows his scar immediately, and that's how she was able to realize it was indeed the specific T-800 that killed John.
Thing is tho john never die. Tell. Terminator Genesis.
@@paul707.7 That timeline doesn't exist. The only chance for John being alive is if the franchise holders acknowledge the Sara Connor Chronicles. At the end of that show he was sent into the future. Could being outside of his own timeline have protected him from his younger self being killed further in the past.
"Carl explains to Sarah that his relationship with his wife isn't physical."
Well, yeah. That part got me, too. What kind of woman marries a man with no physical interest in her?
"Second, the family has a dog."
Another point I found noteworthy.
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She might look like Roseanne Barr .
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One that wants money
There is no way a T-800 would know about legion created Terminator being sent back
Right! The others would make sense because they were still from a Skynet timeline. How would he have any connections to Legions server?
Kinda sounds like you're answering your own questions looper.
Right
How about the fact that Sarah "hunted" and destroyed other Terminators that Carl gave her the coordinates to? Why would others be sent back acter Carl and who would they be after if Carl succeeded? Kind of weird. Also, no second directive for the Carl T-800? I'm sure all of the Terminators would've been given directives to see Judgement Day through.
@@djmajor1597 That's a potentially interesting point about a second directive for Carl--or any other Terminator in the same situation, assuming they sent others. On one hand, they can't self-terminate. Causing nuclear war could arguably equate to self-termination, at least statistically. On the other hand, that act would also ensure the machine's creation in the future, so... Could they have followed a directive to cause/ensure Judgement Day? A Terminator wrestling with that conflict could make for a component of a cool story.
@@djmajor1597 you obliviously don't understand time travel at all, 20 terminators that lived in 2029 were sent back every 2 years from 1984 up to 2024, just because the one in 1998 succeeded doesn't mean the ones from 2029 were not sent to 2000, 2002, 2004 ect, as they were all sent at the same time.
did you think the time machine could only send you back a fixed amount of time?.
not only that but terminators dont just target john, after john died there would have been new leader, and new generals, fuck sake T3 fully explained that terminators get sent back to kill generals and other important people all the time. and this film explains that as one leader is killed another pops up.
@@Gundamnenjoyer T3 isn't canon. So don't get hung up on it. Reese said they blew the place after he went back, so even T2 is a stretch by that description. Skynet continuing to send multiple Terminators all over the place is silly and adds no real finality to any of it. The writers of the earlier comics also had "stealth" Terminators who went into hiding. Plotting and helping along the birth of Skynet to ensure Judgement Day. That's smart. The T-800 in Dark Fate had no 2nd directive if he were to succeed? Totally implausible. If Terminators could develop this way, they would've turned against Skynet in the future.
The T-1000 was a prototype: hence the only one of its kind
Yes thank you. Looper obviously doesn't know their stuff
In case you forgot, John is a US senator in 2029, and he is seen playing with his daughter on a swing, while Sarah is smiling, looking at them both happy.
That is the true ending of Terminator
"Carl", the T-800 living in society after completing its mission, would be easily recognized and wanted by authorities for murdering John Connor in 1998, destroying Skynet in 1995, and killing 17 LAPD officers in 1984 (all with multiple witnesses). He would not be able to own and operate a drapery business.
On a side note:
In T1 they found a robotic arm.
In T2 they probably found yet another robotic arm. Don't forget that his arm was stock in a big gear. He 27hours ripped it apart leaving it there. Not melted alongside the arm giving us the most tearful thumbs up scene ever.
The point of the dog NOT barking at Carl was to show how human he'd become: even dogs consider him human.
Biggest unanswered question about Terminator Dark Fate....someone put up real money to make this?
Answer: someone will lose a lot of money.
Jürgen Erhard well 3 movies studios lost lots of $$$
why carl´s family isnt freaked out of leaving was explained by him in the movie-he was preparing them for a moment like this for years.
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles shows that Skynet did send many Terminators back in time, some of which were dormant until needed (if i remember correctly). I'm just a bit disappointed this film makes every other film after the second one non-existent. However, shouldn't T3 still happen? Wouldn't the military still be making Skynet?
You asked "why judgement day in the first place"..that was answered in T2.."skynet becomes self aware..in a panic they tried to pull the plug (stop skynet). In defense Skynet fights back and causes judgement day"
Killing John was a mistake. And his replacement *Dani* has no character build up.
Genesis was way better even tho John became the bad-ass T-3000
To me, Terminator Genisys is the worst Terminator movie. Emilia Clarke and Jason Clarke had horrible chemistry together and we're supposed to believe they're going to become a couple. Emilia Clarke also isn't a very good actor and it felt very force for her to become this action character. Dark Fate just messed too much with the original Terminator timeline so I didn't really see it as a Terminator movie but more as an action stand-alone movie.
@@saysoun752 that movie needed better acters, the only people that worked were the T-1000, T-3000, T-5000, and t-800. All the main humans sucked. Your right on that one.
Genisys was miscast. The actors involved didn't have the presence or charisma that the characters needed. Additionally, Genisys just gets lazy and uses time travel to try to fill its plot holes, which set a precedent for further lazy writing in Dark Fate
I really enjoyed the movie, can’t complain.
Good Listener “Allllllllrighty then....” 😬
Hey I liked it too, BUT being forced to take bite of a shit sandwich when they killed John. The good movie was just made "okay". Cant the taste of the bullshit out my mouth.....when they crapped on the whole Terminator Legacy!
Same. Enjoyed it, but at the same time it just seemed a bit of a pointless addition to the franchise.
I really enjoyed dark fate too! Thought it was great. Especially Grace
Normie....
When I watched Dark Fate. I assumed Miles Dyson's death, blowing up Cyberdyne and John's death resulted in the future being altered which Skynet became Legion and Dani became John.
first )T 1000 was a prototype,and production was limited, in favor of perfecting the TX model, its prototype was sent back.again limited production ,for favor of T3000
I feel like the question of why the machines attack is because they see us as a threat, and I think that's been explained in at least one of the movies.
My biggest unanswered question is why is it so hard to make a good Terminator movie
Because Arnold is too old.
Because after T2 the story was over
Wokeness
Not a great way to up the ante from the T-1000 without either mirroring it(unoriginal) or making it insanely powerful(then it's stupid that it doesnt just kill the heroes right away.) It may just not be possible to make a good terminator movie after the others wrote the series into this corner. That's fine, not everything needs to be fast and the furious 25.
Honor Squanch because now, they’re flogging a dead horse.
amazing movie.. I loved it and Mackenzie Davis was the best part of it imo.
To be honest, I really liked her at first. But then she was unnecessarily too much of a bitch towards Sarah and a bit snotty at times
8:50 Nothing was ever done to prevent Legion in this film, so it would be pointless to destroy the remains.
So we're going to send you back in time. To save the future leader of the resistance. Just spitballing how about you just send me back in time with some winning lotto numbers. Instructions when to buy and sell Bitcoins. What's the NASDAQ is going to look like. Then I can just spend all the money I need. Lobbying against an AI being created. Barring that not working. Setting up Supply Depots for future use. And yes I know I think too much about this. It's just a movie.
The reason why it was a t-800 that ended up being Carl, was because it was his face that John had bonded with. They knew it would throw him off. The same situation is described in the scene from Terminator 3 that appeared briefly at the end of your segment.
Arnold said that he told his family “the day they discussed”l had finally come.
But yea lots of odd loop holes and such
his family didn't really care that he took off. you'd think he wife scream and cry. i guess they got sick of him.
Well he said never gave her snoo snoo, so odds are she went to cry on her her bf's shoulders while he husband went off to die
Genisys : I'm the worst franchise in history
Legion : Hold my 🍺
The ultimate question: why?
khaewen why not?
They thought it would be a money spinner for them, but it blew up in their faces - the franchise it pretty much 'terminated' now.
@@dcikaruga That's what someone said about Terminator: Genisys... and yet they made Darkfate instead. ;^) There will be more films as long there are hardcore fans who enjoy any Terminator films, either good or bad. Another example is Star Wars, Disney will continue to produce films to make money, regardless of the characters and universe of that show. The bottom line is, if they can produce a profit, then it's a win for the company. Disney or this DarkFate film, after all, it's a film business to make profits.
@@Jarbrain Genisys made a profit, so far Dark Fate isn't meeting expectations. They might give it one more try though........
@@dcikaruga It's only been a week or so since it came out. There's more time for it to gather the money. This is before any DVD sales in a few months' time in the new year.
It might be easier for the film producers to leave it for a while for some years before working on a new one. Similar to Star Trek and James Bond. This could refresh the series as were as have new writers.
Only time will tell unless we use a time machine to go forward. ;^) lol
I'm a closet mysoginist and this movie scared the shit out of me.
It was truly terrifying that this was the first time a woman was ever involved in a Terminator movie.
It really showed us T1 and T2 loving misogynists!
What?
@@captaincrazy5008 Tim Miller claimed this movie, the sixth in a franchise headed by a strong female character, would somehow scare what he called "closet misogynists" which is Hollywood speak for "anyone who critiqued my movie in any way!".
@@captaincrazy5008 oh man. he explained it perfectly in the response. be careful with Hollywood
@@cormoran2303 This is how you know the movie will be bad. A snowflake man who knows his movie will be bad, thinks about it a little bit, and settles for the excuse that anyone who hates his movie must be a woman-hater, pats himself on the head and calls it a day.
Not to mention that all Terminator movies since Terminator 2 have been panned, even the one by Christian Bale, and he's a white man.
Another plot hole. "Carl", the T-800 living in society after completing its mission, would be easily recognized and wanted by authorities for murdering John Connor in 1998, destroying Skynet in 1995, and killing 17 LAPD officers in 1984 (all with multiple witnesses). He would not be able to own and operate a drapery business.
Big plot hole: how did Carl learn remorse when Carl in T2 we leatn terminators have their learning processor turned off so they dont start to think for themselves. Ghey hsd to physically turn it on in its head. Did carl do this to himself? They are infiltrating robots but even then they cant learn without having the switch turned on. How did carl learn?
AH!, but that depends on the version of T2 you go by. In the theatrical release of T2, they cut that whole scene out with Arny's chip removal. He explains instead that terminators simply learn more about integrating with humans as they go along.
That switch had to be there for a reason. It means that most were set to read-only. The Battle line skinless endoskeletons likely were all in read-only . For the really special missions the switch gets flipped.
"future installments" lmfao you made my day
Number 1 unanswered question-WHY
Will the audience be receiving a refund? Will Tim Miller continue to get work?
The only unanswered question is, "why the hell did they make this pile of garbage?" Putting women in a movie to take the place of men isn't plot, substance, or entertainment. It is pathetic.
Show Me What You Got THANK YOUUUU!!! I’m really bothered of this “me too” shit
You're sexist and mysogynist
Why does Grace, a time traveler from an alternative time line that involves Legion, have coordinates tattooed to her that lead to a T-800 from a Skynet timeline that no longer exists?
Let’s off JC to launch this off, that’ll show them
It's done for shock value, but to reboot this franchise, they had to move away from the Conners being the end all be all for the future war. They had to write new characters to become the heroes so they can keep making terminator movies. Though that's not happening anymore lol
How about you talk about how bad of a movie it was?
Is that your question?
Edwin Garcia it was horrible
Better than the last Mad Max.
Kevin X no. It wasn’t
Sean Ryan yeah... bc their ignoring that fact
Humanity's new savior is an illegal immigrant? Seems legit.
Don’t worry if she dies in a random car accident, humanity’s new savior will be a black guy, after that it will be an Asian chick, etc. That’s what I understood from this shitty movie.
@@blazingocean4206 Sorry you didn't like it - But really, it follows. All movies now are geared towards reflecting the biggest social movement.... For better or worse
ItsMrHathaway terminator have always been about a strong female lead and it’s always commented on society like relying on machines too much
Proctain Darkward lilo keep shrieking like a triggered red haired feminist 🤣 sad
@@brettmaul2891 get woke go broke. Maybe even up movies lose money the idiots in Hollywood. Stop making social commentary instead of a movie.
For those that did not understand the time flow is because you time travel creates different paradox when you jump look at the looper it talks about this for of time paradox
THE SARAH CRONICLES OPENS UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
The dog is logical because the Terminator has become more human and the dog feels that. One nice detail in the movie.
The biggest question is why did they make it?
dark fate is #1 at the box office and james cameron is making more terminator films
4. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
STUPIDITY---GREED. - A PAY-CHECK....
@@wickedhouston5538 #1 on it's opening week with 29 mil and a rotten tomato score of 60. Well done James, you blew 100 million, btw, he's not the director and this will look great on his resume. All investors love it when you blow their money.
@@swampfaye time to change your tampon
The t-1000 was a prototype. They said so in the movie.
10:58 he can just always opt for a stunt double like they did when they had his older Terminator, Pops, fight his younger self in the remake of the Terminator 1984. superimpose his head onto a younger stuntman's body. and let them do the heavy lifting if he wanted to come back again... and just be all "remember when i said i wasn't going to be back?" "Yeah?" "I lied." ;-)
I'm pretty sure Sarah Conner could wait till Time Travel is a thing and tell someone to go back in time to save John Conner and Dark Fate's beginning showing John Conner die would of never happend
You know your writing is bad when Looper notices it. 😂
This film sucked. End of story.
agreed, nuff said.
@Dog King Yeah, in the last one, Grace says to the guy, who said you could look at my privates and she smashed him.
I enjoyed it as an action movie but it's no Terminator movie. This franchise needs to just end as the timeline is completely messed up now.
Sarah kills 2x terminators between Johns Death and meeting up with Grace, she acts like she and John stopped the future, and yet more terminators coming back after the fact kinda proves that they didn’t....
Makes no sense from her point of view to be shocked that it’s still going.
It make sense because in 1997 judgement day never happened and all these terminators she faces might be sent to arrive in different days. Example T800 from T1 and TX from T3 they might have leave the future at the same day but arrive in the past in different days. Imagine me and you leave the future and went to the past right now but you end up in 1999 and I end up in 2008. when I arrive I will find you 8 years older because our destination was 8 years apart
Yeah. I mean. If sarah and john stopped the future where skynet rules how is it possible that this terminator that kills john evem travels to that point in time? If skynet wouldnt even exist because of T2's events. How and why is possible for that terminator to get them? It doesnt make any sense.
@@fancy3774 it is a good point but how could you travel in time if now the skynet that will allow you in future to travel wont exist because its born it was erased from history.
@Ricardo Luján before skynet got erased it sent a lot of terminators in the past while those terminators travel in different times skynet died and those terminator came to the past to prevent that. The future and past exist at the same time but messing the past ruin the future so skynet was alive until Dyson triggered the bomb at cyberdine system in t2 and the future of skynet was gone but the terminators that skynet sent were still traveling
@@fancy3774 but that doesnt make sense because if skynet got stopped en T2 those who were sent to date after shouldnt arrive even in the timeline that got created now. Their masses go to othr timeline or dissapear. You know what i mean?
I honestly think instead of Arnold coming back they should have had the Actor who played as the T1 1000 come back and was for some reason reprogrammed and decided to help the good guys
There is precedent for a T1000 being good, in the Sarah Connor Chronicles there was one that turned out to be good, but she was not reprogrammed she seemingly rebelled of her own free will. this flaw has been cited in beta sources as the reason why the T1000 unit was discontinued as its loyalty to skynet couldn't be assured
@@katakisLives Interesting Because I did see some of the Sarah Connor Chronicles and the T 900 could do the same She could ignore the command to kill at will
Just a theory that wasn't addressed. Many people who understand the theory of time travel possibilities knows that the energy cost would be relevant to the amount of mass "Sent back" so in essence the reason more terminators weren't sent back together is because the energy cost would be too high. So that may have been the reason for sending more advanced models of similar mass back.
What an atrocious movie, how could they possibly think this screenplay was the one to go with?
It boggles the mind
“Who thought this was a good idea?”
dark fate is #1 at the box office and james cameron is making more terminator films
@@wickedhouston5538 yeah true but in alternate universe where everyone is dumb asf like you
jacob wilson the hundreds of blue check marks on twitter
Someone who obv didn't enjoy the first installments
The six people who wrote it
The real question for real terminator fans is "Why would you even consider Dark Fate as canon at this point?"
I just finish watching this movie, and I don't understand why everybody is giving this movie such a hard time, I think it was actually pretty damn good and a good reboot to the series..
Woke please 😴😴
Love the review looper...And the Terminator franchises ❤️😊👍🏿
The biggest unanswered question - why does it exist.
A Line that grace says in the movie
“Your not the mother of some man who saves the future”
WOW way to put in a feminist/sexist message and shit on John Connor’s legacy 🤦♂️
TraceurHarryG1 agreed, that line didn't need to be there. But it could've been rewritten.
"You don't give birth to a leader, you are the leader!"
Jay Snow thankyou yes that would have been so much better than what they used
TraceurHarryG1 but we all know is about whamen feeling powerful because reasons
참나 페미니즘이 당연히 들어가는걸 거기에다 대고 열등감 표출하네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 존 코너의 유산? 응 사라코너의 유산임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Another big question is how Carl knew where and when future terminators were gonna arrive?
saljpal3 I didn’t think about that
He said that it was causing riffs that could be detected before they happen.
@@seanfinn1046 Plot convenience bullshit.
THIS led to 1 of the bigger questions raised in T: DF.
Clearly Carl had some strategic importance beyond his own timeline if he was directing Sarah AND also considering Grace had his coordinates tattooed onto her (they touched this briefly where Carl as her about the coordinates, but she cut him off).
Just who in the future knew to send Grace to seek Carl for help?
@@horuslupercal2385 I guess Dani since she experienced everything firsthand.
It was implied Legion was also at least partially created by a predestination paradox. It was stated that due to the current level of technology in 2020, evidence of a Terminator could not be covered up like in 1984 and that the Rev-9 being captured by cellphones and security cameras performing superhuman feats would somehow link with the creation of Legion.
One possible reason for multiple T-800s is that Skynet couldn't send things back with precision, so it sent its prototype T-1000 to the highest probability time to kill John Connor, and then scattered T-800s to a few other likely target moments.
Terminator: Mexican Fate
This movie has more plot holes than Swiss cheese
The plot is holier than the pope
Bad writing - there, I just answered all ur questions, you’re welcome
Raised good points. Some of the questions are answered by your previous points such as: Bodies left over, ICE records of Grace. We know that Major Dean has large pull and is ready to commit treason for Sarah Connor, so they’re probably gonna be wiped by a trusted operative and files delivered and subsequently destroyed.
So yeah, there’s that. I do hope they move to a TV series for Dark Fate. Apply a smaller budget for a more focused future war world building series and so forth. Lower budget, lower risks. And even if they’re not mad about another Big movie, some of the cast members, like Mackenzie Davis might return for the focused story.
they sent that T800, simply because John was familiar with him and so he wouldn't notice the treat until it is to late.
About Daniel, I think Legion's 1st documented appearance of Daniel is when she migrated to the US, or maybe Legion doesn't even know she migrated in the first place.
The Terminator franchise has been targeted for termination by this movie.
Having seen it .... NOPE. Star Wars, Star Trek, Predator, even Alien had been given far shorter end of the stick.
The storyline is just dumb.
dragoonzen What part of Killer Robot and time travel sounds like Martin Scorsese to you?
Death Dealer They rehash the same plot from T2 for every sequel
@@longdirtytoenails1076 it's dumb because they trashed T1 and T2 john connor is literally the jesus of this universe and they dump it to be replaced by some woman because feminism is a trend and the producers writers supports it..
One-eyed Owl Well then now it makes sense,Jesus died so did John Connor...
@@longdirtytoenails1076 while sci-fi isn't going to win academy awards, at least put some thoughts into the story line instead of trying to bank on just the Terminator name. For instance, it doesn't make sense for 400 lbs robot to be flipping around like spider-man. Just lack of any realism.
The dog was clearly there to show the nature of Carl had been changed. Clearly done on purpose and a nice touch. Catch up!
That does not work. Just simply does not make any sense at all. Sorry, it's s stupid plot hole some SJW director and studio wanted to force
@@richardthenryvideos course it does. Look up subtext. Carls nature changing is all through the film.
You mean it didn't work for YOU.
@@stephenpieroni3419 impossible. He's a machine. That's what the canine species can sense. It's like changing a blender into a tomato plant. Can't happen
@@richardthenryvideos nope. Ever seen a dog scared of a vacuum then get used to it!? You're wrong.
Didn't think of it like this, I like it
I know it’s meant to ignore all movies aside from 1 and 2, but it was so easy to connect it at least vaguely if John was killed as an adult. I mean T3 Arnold said he was sent back because of the emotional connection for T2. At least that way narratively it would make sense why they sent Arnold and not a t1000 like this video said. Could have been a better death then the quick and disappointing one we got.
The answer to why multiple terminators were not sent back is in the first movie. Skynet may have sent 10 terminators back in 20 minutes in the future (not a long time at all) but when humanity won, shut down Skynet, smashed the Skynet Defence Grids and sent the final person back through the Time Displacement Equipment the human resistance blew the technology so it could not be used anymore. The terminators that were sent back may have been sent to many different times with various missions, for example 20 years apart even though they were sent 2 minutes apart from each other. Just because we see the terminators in the sequence we did with the movies does not mean they were sent back in that order and the time they were sent back from was equally as long. Who knows, Skynet may have sent the T-1000 first and in a panic that it did not work it then sent the T-800 back even further targeting a less capable target (Sarah Connor) but in doing so it changed time and prepared Sarah Connor who warned John Connor and trained fro his role as the leader of the human resistance. As Skynet was changing the past it would have changed its future and not even been aware of it unless it sent a terminator back with a knowledge base of events which Skynet could use to understand the different events and subsequent future it created by changing the past.
Why did you kill John?
white and male. A crime in 2019 Hollyweird
@@bushmaster0131
also straight.
That was the third strike..he's out.
Because it’s 2019 and I’m supposed to be scared of vaginas
Terminator is a franchise which had a lot of potential for awesome stories, but for some reason, they keep making bad written movies.
They basically make the same movie. It’s just cat and mouse.
For once, I would love the reverse, have the human alliance send someone back to try to destroy legion/skynet and in response to that legion/skynet send a Terminator back to protect the vulnerable young still in development legion/skynet
Why won’t this franchise die? Is the most important question
this is most likely the final movie as of now it barely made more then genisys.
Because many of us don't want it to die, we just want someone who's talented and loves Terminator to make a movie that does the first two justice for once.
Itll never die. A sequel, tv show and video game are in development.
@@NightmaresX111 you can say bye bye to that sequel they need 470m dollars to break even with dark fate and it made 120m right now so maby they can break even but it wont profit much if it even makes some profit the studio will not greenlight a new terminator movie with these numbers
Joseph V. False, the sequels to dark fate are reportedly CANCELLED!
A T800 actually completed his mission in T2 but the T1000 failed...maybe skynet sent another T800 as his kd ratio and mission completion rate is pretty good!?