I understand, but the massive casinos are much more offensive than bells. They do much more harm, and we should focus on removing the millions of non native palm trees planted here as well. They really don't belong in California, with the exception of the Palm Springs/ 1000 palms region. The rest should be gone and replaced with California Oak and sycamores.
As a Mexican/American I see it as a shame to remove the bells. I mean in México we have architecture that dates back since the 1500’s. Over there there’s also a huge movement of removing a lot of shit that to me seems really a waste of time rather than something good. In this case I also see it as the same it’s a waste of time and it’s also erasing part of our culture, which shows that the mestizos & Españoles we’re here. The tribe member also try to compare this to the Confederate flag or to the situation that I assume he’s referencing to slavery in the south which truly isn’t the case here, you can’t compare the history in southwest United States compared to the rest of the country it’s stupid.
Its meaning to us as indigenous is different than the meaning to them. To us it reminds us of the atrocities committed, to them it reminds them of the power they had over us. Take them down like all symbols of power over another race. F them bells and f them churches. F the vatican fir sending black robes upon our people
Yeah but once society accepted the false narrative the confederate flag was “racist” it opened the door to everything else, The real issue is that we need to stop acting like the Indians were poor innocent victims. They were not, they actively resisted many efforts to impose civilization and order
Talk about wacky, San Diego's completely unhinged. Today my leftard city voted to redefine what a woman is. I'm so embarrassed. The idiocy is unbearable here.
Only middle passage descendants are allowed to complain (or destroy) about historical monuments. I see those bells as I do the civil war monuments : a sad chapter, but one that should never be forgotten. Take away those monuments and other visuals, and there is no longer a talking point. History cannot be served up all nice and sanitized. It didn't come down to us all squeaky clean...we need to know all the warts and scars that made this country what it is today.
@@omi_god I'm not offended by their presence at all. I'm Russian and Irish. Would be ironic if I was offended. Relatives of mine saw first hand what happens when you white wash history from one side
The Franciscans came in with NO ARMY, NO FORCE. They were welcomed, for the most part, by the native tribes. Thankfully, if the Franciscans had NOT come, the indigenous people would have ended up as either like the brutal Aztecs or slaves to the Aztecs. This is a HAPPY chapter in history. As you say, history cannot be served up all evil and brutish. God bless.
Good grief. That period of Spanish colonization and exploitation is long over. The US govt later went to war with Mexico and made a land grab that included most of the Southwest. Native peoples have been treated very badly by our government, but taking down landmarks isn't going to change history. We should learn and move forward.
@Harry Beez ^History isnt meant to be cute. Most historical events arent coated in sugary happy ending fairytales like you assume. History is HISTORY, period. If you don't like?? Too bad!🤷♂️ So how about you keep your comments and blue pills to yourself 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@@ramenlover1727 I didn't say the missions should be destroyed. Nor do I think manzanar or Auschwitz should be destroyed. They are pieces of actual history. I don't think removing mission bell decorations around town is in the same ballpark at all. edit: this stuff should be exhibited, not celebrated, if that makes sense.
Welcome to 2022 where everyone one is butt hurt about history and thinks changing it instead of teaching it will make a difference . All I have to say to these people is stop worrying about history and get a life and make a future history for everyone.
Casinos don't have anything to do with the Missions. Nobody "donates" to Casinos either. They go in and lose money gambling 😛. Casinos donate money ALL of the time ❣️
@@melviasheppard8466 "Casinos don't have anything to do with the Missions." You're missing the point. "Nobody "donates" to Casinos either. They go in and lose money gambling😛." Semantics. "Casinos donate money ALL of the time" To what, exactly? Show us the evidence.
as a native they mark the path of the natives the church took to follow, now as a catholic that loves my native heritage and still being catholic i must be aware of another faith following these paths to bring in there forced belief
So let's get rid of all other history,because it's upsets someone.they wete used for lots of things,like weddings,can we just stop,this is going to far.
They treated the Native Americans terribly. They made them change everything about them. They cut their hair off they made them wear different clothes. They wanted them to be American. I didn’t know any better in those days but it’s too bad it was brutal. They never should’ve been made to conform.
You've been taught a whitewashed version of history by our liberal education system. You need to WAKE UP. The native Americans didn't OWN all the land in North America any more than a bird owns a forest, or a fish owns an ocean. They didn't PAY for it. There were no property deeds. They didn’t give up anything of value to obtain it. The natives were nothing more than SQUATTERS. The bounty of the Earth was to be SHARED by all living creatures. Whitey just wanted to eat, but wherever whitey went, natives showed up and claimed that they owned everything - ALL the land, ALL the buffalo, ALL the deer, the ENTIRE lake with ALL the fish, etc. The selfish natives didn't want to share with whitey. The natives were savages. Nature’s way is survival of the fittest. People had to FIGHT for land back then, just like wild animals do today. Natives fought EACH OTHER for territory all the time, but it was only called “stealing” when whitey won. The savages constantly attacked white settlements and wouldn’t leave whitey alone. They tried their best to exterminate whitey. That’s right - GENOCIDE. They raided settlements and killed men, women AND children. Kidnapping and scalping white people alive and slowly strangling them or flaying them (look it up) were favorite activities of these subhuman A-holes. Whitey was superior to the natives in terms of technology and intelligence, so whitey won, just as nature intended. The native savages didn’t want to coexist with whitey, so whitey was forced to either kill them or to round them up and physically separate them, just like we separate criminal savages from civilized society today - by putting them in PRISON. It would have been much easier just to slit their throats than to go through the HUGE effort of escorting them to their new digs, but whitey was far TOO NICE and decent to kill them. This PROVES that all whitey wanted was to be left alone and to live in peace. Whitey didn’t want to kill anybody. The natives got what they DESERVED for refusing to share the bounty of the Earth and to live and let live. You won't learn the truth from a history book in school. It's all anti-White BS today.
thats life. they should have stopped warring with other tribes and faced the threat at hand. no other opressed popluation cries as much as the native americans do, even when the situations are comparable. whiny people who were taught to complain and fight change no matter how apparent the change is
False. The Franciscans came in with NO ARMY, NO FORCE. They were welcomed, for the most part, by the native tribes. Thankfully, if the Franciscans had NOT come, the indigenous people would have ended up as either like the brutal Aztecs or slaves to the Aztecs. This is a HAPPY chapter in history.
Gotta wonder how many of the people commenting against this supported the other monuments being removed because those werent in their state. hmmmmmm...
If it is decided to take the bells down, don't. Just let people know it is okay to take them now. People used to steal them! Problem solved with minimal cost to taxpayers!
Personally I don't think going through the trouble of removing all of these bells is practical or warranted. Whether we like it or not, these markers are a reflection of our history and you can't just pretend like it never happened because it hurts your feelings. Maybe the bells can be accompanied by unique art pieces created by the tribes of each region the bells are found in, kind of like how public spaces have both nativity scenes and menorahs during the holidays? Instead of taking away we ought to add further context and deeper meaning.
They should be replaced with native American art and we should start changing street names that are named after conquistadors to something Native American or chicano related.
How about replacing all the Spanish names because Spanish was the language of the conquistadores? Something tells me these same people would have a fit.
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No. The removal would exactly that wash the history away. Leave them. The native nations have survived. They need to be told. Not washed away.
I understand, but the massive casinos are much more offensive than bells. They do much more harm, and we should focus on removing the millions of non native palm trees planted here as well. They really don't belong in California, with the exception of the Palm Springs/ 1000 palms region. The rest should be gone and replaced with California Oak and sycamores.
Still part of history, leave them alone.
As a Mexican/American I see it as a shame to remove the bells. I mean in México we have architecture that dates back since the 1500’s. Over there there’s also a huge movement of removing a lot of shit that to me seems really a waste of time rather than something good. In this case I also see it as the same it’s a waste of time and it’s also erasing part of our culture, which shows that the mestizos & Españoles we’re here. The tribe member also try to compare this to the Confederate flag or to the situation that I assume he’s referencing to slavery in the south which truly isn’t the case here, you can’t compare the history in southwest United States compared to the rest of the country it’s stupid.
Its meaning to us as indigenous is different than the meaning to them. To us it reminds us of the atrocities committed, to them it reminds them of the power they had over us. Take them down like all symbols of power over another race. F them bells and f them churches. F the vatican fir sending black robes upon our people
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Yeah but once society accepted the false narrative the confederate flag was “racist” it opened the door to everything else,
The real issue is that we need to stop acting like the Indians were poor innocent victims. They were not, they actively resisted many efforts to impose civilization and order
Somebody is always complaining about something in the wacky place.
History is always written by the “winners”. Shut the f up.
Talk about wacky, San Diego's completely unhinged. Today my leftard city voted to redefine what a woman is. I'm so embarrassed. The idiocy is unbearable here.
Bells go when the Indian casinos go
yup
Amen! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
No. It's our history. Good, bad and ugly. Feel free to display your art too!
Only middle passage descendants are allowed to complain (or destroy) about historical monuments. I see those bells as I do the civil war monuments : a sad chapter, but one that should never be forgotten. Take away those monuments and other visuals, and there is no longer a talking point. History cannot be served up all nice and sanitized. It didn't come down to us all squeaky clean...we need to know all the warts and scars that made this country what it is today.
That's why we have exhibits/museums, historians and history class in school.
@@omi_god I'm not offended by their presence at all. I'm Russian and Irish. Would be ironic if I was offended. Relatives of mine saw first hand what happens when you white wash history from one side
@@teddyrosevelt4699 Pretty sure the OP is arguing not to destroy historical monuments.
@@dq3666 ah is really now. Thank you. In bad reception with delayed posting. Commented on wrong one. Thanks for pointing that out for me.
The Franciscans came in with NO ARMY, NO FORCE. They were welcomed, for the most part, by the native tribes. Thankfully, if the Franciscans had NOT come, the indigenous people would have ended up as either like the brutal Aztecs or slaves to the Aztecs. This is a HAPPY chapter in history. As you say, history cannot be served up all evil and brutish.
God bless.
Good grief. That period of Spanish colonization and exploitation is long over. The US govt later went to war with Mexico and made a land grab that included most of the Southwest. Native peoples have been treated very badly by our government, but taking down landmarks isn't going to change history. We should learn and move forward.
I bet you don’t want us to forget 9/11 thought right lol #doublestandards #hypocrites
At some point they would have been conquered. Look at Hawaii.
History is so important..leave it alone…stop trying to erase it! Too much division . Never forget. 🙏
We don't need the bells to remember. Just like we don't need the old Jim Crow laws with the Whites Only signs in windows.
Wow!!! Leave those Bells alone!! They are part of Cali HISTORY 😡😡😡😡😡😡
@Harry Beez ^History isnt meant to be cute. Most historical events arent coated in sugary happy ending fairytales like you assume. History is HISTORY, period. If you don't like?? Too bad!🤷♂️ So how about you keep your comments and blue pills to yourself 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@Harry Beez Should Poland take down Aushwitcz?
You cannot and should not erase history. Tell your perspective, but don't erase historical monuments.
Removing monuments to heinous institutions isn't erasing history. Nobody can ever erase the deeds that were done at these missions.
@@ramenlover1727 I didn't say the missions should be destroyed. Nor do I think manzanar or Auschwitz should be destroyed. They are pieces of actual history. I don't think removing mission bell decorations around town is in the same ballpark at all.
edit: this stuff should be exhibited, not celebrated, if that makes sense.
Welcome to 2022 where everyone one is butt hurt about history and thinks changing it instead of teaching it will make a difference . All I have to say to these people is stop worrying about history and get a life and make a future history for everyone.
CBS 8 San Diego is desperate with this bullshit.
You are.
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@@marryellenmonahan5585 Do you need help deleting your stupidity? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Leave the bells alone… most people donate a lot of money at the Indian casinos
Casinos don't have anything to do with the Missions. Nobody "donates" to Casinos either. They go in and lose money gambling 😛. Casinos donate money ALL of the time ❣️
@@melviasheppard8466 "Casinos don't have anything to do with the Missions."
You're missing the point.
"Nobody "donates" to Casinos either. They go in and lose money gambling😛."
Semantics.
"Casinos donate money ALL of the time"
To what, exactly? Show us the evidence.
Awsome...donate
Instead of being cancelled, these mission bells should be preserved so that future generations know that California has such a dark history.
It isn’t dark you cannot apply modern moral standards for that time.
🎶And still those voices are calling from far away 🎶
Ohhhhh.......no out cry to move the san diego padres....🤔🤯🤷♂️.....What about removing all the Taco Bells, it fosters itself after Missions.
How embarrassing that they never teach what the mission system was all about
Crazies. Leave them bells alone
Who hates bells?? Why?
Leftard outrage "culture." Stay offended, San Diego.
Wokies hate everything. Hate is their religion.
lets just get rid of more history! wtf people
Lopez? Sounds like a European name. Maybe he should change it to Chief Whines-a-lot... :Oo
Read a book
@@esalas_tataviam Read plenty of books, your point?
Yeah just erase everything. Is this all people have time to worry about!? Bells!?
🤡...yep and San Diego has a team named the Padres, I guess they pick and choose
@@michaeltabanao9014 I’m offended.
I hope we keep them.
That's a tough one, valid points on both sides. Maybe leave them but add Native American art or texts explaining the other side of the story. (?)
awesome idea
If you remove them, then its like saying nothing happened.
yes, let's tear down and hide all evidence of wrongdoing...
The Spaniards were cruel and harsh at times, but it's not like the indigenous people were angels either.
Nobody wanted to see the White Only signs either !!! That's what going to happen to the Bell's 😜
Our ancestors came as conquerors and built metropolises out of the dirt. We shouldn't pander to those who are still sour about losing.
The best way to rewrite history is to erase it.
Worked for Joseph Stalin.
as a native they mark the path of the natives the church took to follow, now as a catholic that loves my native heritage and still being catholic i must be aware of another faith following these paths to bring in there forced belief
So let's get rid of all other history,because it's upsets someone.they wete used for lots of things,like weddings,can we just stop,this is going to far.
They treated the Native Americans terribly. They made them change everything about them. They cut their hair off they made them wear different clothes. They wanted them to be American. I didn’t know any better in those days but it’s too bad it was brutal. They never should’ve been made to conform.
They were Americans long before Spain invaded America !!!!!
You've been taught a whitewashed version of history by our liberal education system. You need to WAKE UP. The native Americans didn't OWN all the land in North America any more than a bird owns a forest, or a fish owns an ocean. They didn't PAY for it. There were no property deeds. They didn’t give up anything of value to obtain it. The natives were nothing more than SQUATTERS. The bounty of the Earth was to be SHARED by all living creatures. Whitey just wanted to eat, but wherever whitey went, natives showed up and claimed that they owned everything - ALL the land, ALL the buffalo, ALL the deer, the ENTIRE lake with ALL the fish, etc. The selfish natives didn't want to share with whitey.
The natives were savages. Nature’s way is survival of the fittest. People had to FIGHT for land back then, just like wild animals do today. Natives fought EACH OTHER for territory all the time, but it was only called “stealing” when whitey won. The savages constantly attacked white settlements and wouldn’t leave whitey alone. They tried their best to exterminate whitey. That’s right - GENOCIDE. They raided settlements and killed men, women AND children. Kidnapping and scalping white people alive and slowly strangling them or flaying them (look it up) were favorite activities of these subhuman A-holes. Whitey was superior to the natives in terms of technology and intelligence, so whitey won, just as nature intended.
The native savages didn’t want to coexist with whitey, so whitey was forced to either kill them or to round them up and physically separate them, just like we separate criminal savages from civilized society today - by putting them in PRISON. It would have been much easier just to slit their throats than to go through the HUGE effort of escorting them to their new digs, but whitey was far TOO NICE and decent to kill them. This PROVES that all whitey wanted was to be left alone and to live in peace. Whitey didn’t want to kill anybody. The natives got what they DESERVED for refusing to share the bounty of the Earth and to live and let live. You won't learn the truth from a history book in school. It's all anti-White BS today.
thats life. they should have stopped warring with other tribes and faced the threat at hand. no other opressed popluation cries as much as the native americans do, even when the situations are comparable. whiny people who were taught to complain and fight change no matter how apparent the change is
False. The Franciscans came in with NO ARMY, NO FORCE. They were welcomed, for the most part, by the native tribes. Thankfully, if the Franciscans had NOT come, the indigenous people would have ended up as either like the brutal Aztecs or slaves to the Aztecs. This is a HAPPY chapter in history.
DEMOCRAPS are treating people worst... crazy liberals
Totally biased reporting with no local input from tribes or diocese. Shameful
The reportor was so ignorant stating "Sometimes" ...when in reality all of the time it was forceful
Gotta wonder how many of the people commenting against this supported the other monuments being removed because those werent in their state. hmmmmmm...
If it is decided to take the bells down, don't. Just let people know it is okay to take them now. People used to steal them! Problem solved with minimal cost to taxpayers!
Great, more of this “woke” non sense
Dude I can't hear the homeless people fighting outside of my $3k/m shoebox or the guy upstairs with violent diarrhea over those STUPID mission bells.
Personally I don't think going through the trouble of removing all of these bells is practical or warranted. Whether we like it or not, these markers are a reflection of our history and you can't just pretend like it never happened because it hurts your feelings. Maybe the bells can be accompanied by unique art pieces created by the tribes of each region the bells are found in, kind of like how public spaces have both nativity scenes and menorahs during the holidays? Instead of taking away we ought to add further context and deeper meaning.
It symbolizes their power over us
Colby the Caucasian wrote a whole paragraph about his panties being too tight
Let get rid of native history also
If it's only purpose is to serve as the basis of a grievance industry, then yes.
then shut down all illegal Indian casinos since I'm sure non pay any taxes
This is all malarkey! I will say it loud and Proud! Viva Cristo Rey and St. Juniperro Serra!
FJB !!
SMH
Escape California before they create their own East Berlin.
Cry babies
I would like to have a bell.
It’s history..
Only natives have say what should stay and what should go💯
goofy mentality.
They should stay on the rez and STFU.
So that would be the ingenious animals 🤷♂️
I'm native, and I say they stay.
Stfu they don't who cares it'd history people who focus on the past are the problem
That dude speaking is a fake
They should be replaced with native American art and we should start changing street names that are named after conquistadors to something Native American or chicano related.
How about replacing all the Spanish names because Spanish was the language of the conquistadores? Something tells me these same people would have a fit.
omg lol. you are just the whiny liberal poster child arent you
Orale homes
hell no!!!no Way!!!
I'm Chicano and I say BS. We shouldn't destroy history. It is what it is. Teach about it and learn from it.
Sad-
Absolutely my a$$
MOST JUST COMPLAIN LOOK AT CHINA LOCK DOWN MAYBE U CAN C Y JUST BE HAPPY 4 NOW
Hispanic people suffered so much under European rule.
There were no Hispanics before Europeans got here.
@@davidmyhra4931 Thank you for reminding Bozo of that fact here.
hispanics LOL you mean mix breed
I'm Hispanic. Should I hate half of myself?
You're a dumb bozo I'm half European and half Mexican you're saying i should hate the Latin side?
Dejenlas y ya