I solved my arm and elbow issues while transitioning to a 1/8 grip size. Gripping looser with a lighter racket and low tension string bed were the key.
3:30 it has nothing to do with mass. With a larger radius on the grip you can apply more torque with the same effort so it's easier to twist the racquet when you have a larger grip.
In my opinion you can go one size up or one down without the risk of an eventual injury. For example if by the ruler you are L3 you can play either L2 or L4.
I went to a smaller grip and i like it, but i burn through grips a lot more. Also , i had to hold the throat more to know where the face was on backhands and volleys.
Great video providing a historical review of changes in the game. A couple of years ago I went from a grip 3 to a 2 which changed the pressure point in my palm. The net result was a trigger finger (finger not bending) in the ring finger. Problem went away once I switched back to the larger grip.
Can you guys make a video with best rackets for single handed backhand vs two handed backhand? I think that will be useful to know what is the difference, if there is any at all. Thanks 😊 🙏
@Federer K I think players like Wawrinka, Federer and others are using 97 sq inches, I am more curious about the type of the racket, maybe if we can have a video comparing which racket is better for one handers and which rackets will not be as good as for the two handed backhand 🤔🙄
It is obvious that most one handed backhand players are using Wilson or Yonex, and there are some exemptions like D. Thiem. But I hope to see in the video what makes those rackets most suitable for one handers, the real reason behind it. Or maybe it's just an part of the business and that's all? However, no single hander is using Head or Babolat Aero🤔🤔
I remember someone on the courts brought an original Pete sampras Wilson prosraff 85 sq.in. All of my one handed backhands were incredible with this racquet. The balance and the way it cuts through the air made the one hand backhand easier.
Hi, Great video. Just a question...I have used 4 1/4 grip always but then got another 2nd hand 4 3/8 grip. Do you think that is ok or should I stick to 4 1/4 but 4 3/8 is not that much difference in term of Size grip , Control, Power, top spin or might get tennis elbow due to slightly bigger?
Yes, but, like someone else said in the comments, a one size only smaller grip shouldn’t cause injuries to the arm. I went down from 3/8 to 1/4 about 2 years ago and that made no difference to my arm.
Very good video i need it this im glad i found it All this details are important for progress, especially today every top player use full western forehand grips
Hi. I was wondering if I could ask a question? When you’re matching rackets, how much variance in weight, SW and balance do you think is “tennis acceptable”? I’m trying to get three similar rackets but the QC of mainstream companies is irritating me so I’m asking them to match the rackets, I’m trying to give them some parameters. Thank you
@@tenniselbow74 I agree with you but the way I understood OP question was “how far apart specs wise should you tolerate, before any customisation takes place”. In my view you can easily shift 5gr and play with 0.3cm around. The 5cm2*kg swingweight can easily be reduced to at least 2 without dramatically changing overall weight/balance. More than that it begins to get tricky.
Thank you both. That’s really valuable. I’ve found a racket as really like. But they allow themselves +\- 7g and +\- 7mm. That means I could have rackets 14g different with 1.4 cm different balance. That’s clearly totally unacceptable. Hence asking for them to be matched and now I can give them some parameters to work within. ATB
Is it just me? As more people use smaller size grip, are the overgrip wraps getting shorter in length as well? Manufacturers saving cost? I’m wrapping my #4 grips & always about inch short!
its all abt muscle memory if you played with a wooden racket with large grips,modern rackets with smaller grips affects your strokes bn there had to build up my grip to almost 5"!bingo no more tennis elbow & wrist pain .Tried 4 1/4 but didnt measure my palm correctly should be almost 5" grip so using full size grip no issues.
Lack of feedback from the racquet when size is too small. You won't be able to "feel" the head angle. Me, I'd try a larger grip size, then work down, but only if you have to. Your 4 1/4 grip is small (if you are a man). That Nadal someone makes a tiny grip work for him should mean nothing to a club player.
I played with L3 grip (+overgrip) for many years, and about 3-4 years ago a coach suggested me to try L2 (+overgrip) size. Since then I cannot play with anything else. Well, my fingers are not especially long, my 17 year old son is already using L4 with an overgrip. I am not sure if anyone else recognized this, but my Wilson Burn 100 v4 with an L2 grip has a circumference of 4 3/8", which should be an L3 already. 🙂
@Tennis Spin you have great videos with lot of useful info.. I have couple of questions not sure which is the right forum ..but just asking here in case you happen to see them and answer. 1. Where do we see the version of a tennis racket ..specially Yonex ..i Have a Ezone DR 98 and not sure what version is that and also i do not see it mentioned in new Ezone also. This is to make sure that i am not buying some old inventory 2. Can you please do a comparison of Ezone 98 and Babolat Pure drive ( both latest version)? 3. Also, i heard you saying that racket's stiffness (RA factor) has nothing to do with tennis elbow or pain in forearm i have felt it my self that when i used a Head Radical i used to get lot of pain ( i am a beginner ) specially while serving as most of the serves used to hit frame. And i demoed a couple of head/Wilson rackets and then finalized on ezone DR 98 as it felt very arm friendly. NOt sure if it is to do with RA factor or just that ezone was heavier than other rackets that i tried.
Stiffer rackets are generally lighter. Heavier rackets are generally more flexible. The reason for this generalization is that people using lighter rackets generally want more power and easier to swing. Control rackets on the other hand tend to be heavier and more flexible. As with most things, there are exceptions.
@@mitchellsewell275 Thanks JM for response.. your explanation makes some. I was just looking at weight and stiffness for ezone 98 and Pure Drive and not sure if it willl count as an exception. Ezone 98 weight 305g / 10.8oz ; Stiffness 64 and for Pure drive Weight 300g/10.6oz ; stiffness 71; The stiffness factor varies much more than the weight
@@indernegi9668 Which is heavier? Which is stiffer? I would say that they fit the paradigm. Babolat are definitely stiffer across their line than most especially with their "player" sticks.
hey Chief, you demo like modern grip. In old days you move in, hit than you follow through. your conti grip is a modern spin forehand. Snap on shots depends on circular racquet's head movement and adding your body weight into the shot. otherwise one may lose the the upper arm after hitting more then a dozen of forehands
Wolfy is 5’10” 150lb...has been playing tennis for half a century. Always builds grips to 4 ⅝, then adds one over grip. Hits with heavy topspin on both forehand and one-handed backhand. Comes to the net at every opportunity and finds racquet will twist if grip is anything less than 4 ⅝.
I actually need a 4 5/8 grip but there are NO 4 5/8 racquets anymore! In Europe that is. For some reason TW Europe chooses to not sell those. Many racquets they sell ARE made in a 4 5/8 grip size and are sold by Tennis Warehouse (USA). Just not in Europe. I can't get used to a smaller grip. I tried but it keeps annoying me.
Excellent, I'm old school also. 5/8 grip. I'm 6' and can almost palm a men's basketball, big hands. Anything smaller than 1/2 I couldn't hang on to properly. I don't use overgrip, just the Head Hydrosorb Pro grip
stop recommending the pure drive, cmon its not for new players, its a racket that has no CONTROL literally the worst control i have ever seen and played with........
Hi, what size beer should I drink after a match, 12oz ,16oz, 24oz?
Any as long as it's Guiness
40 oz.
@@EMarangell1985 Screw-top 40.
I think it’s also subjective and the the feel of each grip size in your hand is important
Joseph: you are rigth dude.
True but also if you prefer too small of a grip for you it can cause tennis elbow
I solved my arm and elbow issues while transitioning to a 1/8 grip size. Gripping looser with a lighter racket and low tension string bed were the key.
3:30 it has nothing to do with mass. With a larger radius on the grip you can apply more torque with the same effort so it's easier to twist the racquet when you have a larger grip.
What about Federer’s one hand backhand with the small grip? Not a disadvantage. Up to the player
In my opinion you can go one size up or one down without the risk of an eventual injury. For example if by the ruler you are L3 you can play either L2 or L4.
I went to a smaller grip and i like it, but i burn through grips a lot more. Also , i had to hold the throat more to know where the face was on backhands and volleys.
Great video providing a historical review of changes in the game. A couple of years ago I went from a grip 3 to a 2 which changed the pressure point in my palm. The net result was a trigger finger (finger not bending) in the ring finger. Problem went away once I switched back to the larger grip.
Very informative. Thank you for spinning my tennis. Loving your content.
Best video on YT explaining this more than just giving personal opinions without substance. Good work!
- Michael Stich is about 6'4
- The girl in the window wins the video
Time stamp?
@@billwall9886 7:16
I love how you showed us the grips from the past. Great video!! 👍🏿👍🏿
Excellent review of grip sizes, pros and cons !
Can you guys make a video with best rackets for single handed backhand vs two handed backhand? I think that will be useful to know what is the difference, if there is any at all. Thanks 😊 🙏
@Federer K I think players like Wawrinka, Federer and others are using 97 sq inches, I am more curious about the type of the racket, maybe if we can have a video comparing which racket is better for one handers and which rackets will not be as good as for the two handed backhand 🤔🙄
It is obvious that most one handed backhand players are using Wilson or Yonex, and there are some exemptions like D. Thiem.
But I hope to see in the video what makes those rackets most suitable for one handers, the real reason behind it. Or maybe it's just an part of the business and that's all?
However, no single hander is using Head or Babolat Aero🤔🤔
I remember someone on the courts brought an original Pete sampras Wilson prosraff 85 sq.in. All of my one handed backhands were incredible with this racquet. The balance and the way it cuts through the air made the one hand backhand easier.
@@rishijai Definitely you feel the difference as a one handed backhand player. Racket does make the difference through it specs, shape, etc.
@Federer K I guess it might be true, because this way is easier to adjust it to yourself, using overgrip with different thickness, etc.
The one you feel more comfortable and maneuverable in your hand, so you have to try different sizes to choose the right one for you.
could you please do a video on how to customize thr Babolat Pure Aero?
Hi,
Great video.
Just a question...I have used 4 1/4 grip always but then got another 2nd hand 4 3/8 grip.
Do you think that is ok or should I stick to 4 1/4 but 4 3/8 is not that much difference in term of Size grip , Control, Power, top spin or might get tennis elbow due to slightly bigger?
couldnt agree more, you got it dude
Can the grip size have any impact/effect on arm issues?
Of course!. A grip too thin, will make you grip the racket tighter, therefore it can affect your elbow.
Yes, but, like someone else said in the comments, a one size only smaller grip shouldn’t cause injuries to the arm. I went down from 3/8 to 1/4 about 2 years ago and that made no difference to my arm.
Yes, grip too small could cause wrist and elbow problems
Very good video i need it this im glad i found it
All this details are important for progress, especially today every top player use full western forehand grips
hi where is ur store location?
very good sharing and nice to put words on my own sensations too. Thanks.
Right on time. Great topic
Hi. I was wondering if I could ask a question? When you’re matching rackets, how much variance in weight, SW and balance do you think is “tennis acceptable”? I’m trying to get three similar rackets but the QC of mainstream companies is irritating me so I’m asking them to match the rackets, I’m trying to give them some parameters. Thank you
My opinion (max values):
@@tenniselbow74 I agree with you but the way I understood OP question was “how far apart specs wise should you tolerate, before any customisation takes place”. In my view you can easily shift 5gr and play with 0.3cm around. The 5cm2*kg swingweight can easily be reduced to at least 2 without dramatically changing overall weight/balance. More than that it begins to get tricky.
Thank you both. That’s really valuable. I’ve found a racket as really like. But they allow themselves +\- 7g and +\- 7mm. That means I could have rackets 14g different with 1.4 cm different balance. That’s clearly totally unacceptable. Hence asking for them to be matched and now I can give them some parameters to work within.
ATB
Is it just me? As more people use smaller size grip, are the overgrip wraps getting shorter in length as well? Manufacturers saving cost? I’m wrapping my #4 grips & always about inch short!
its all abt muscle memory if you played with a wooden racket with large grips,modern rackets with smaller grips affects your strokes bn there had to build up my grip to almost 5"!bingo no more tennis elbow & wrist pain .Tried 4 1/4 but didnt measure my palm correctly should be almost 5" grip so using full size grip no issues.
What is the downside of a. Smaller handle
I bought a 4 1/4
I ordered without looking at size
No problems yet
Lack of feedback from the racquet when size is too small. You won't be able to "feel" the head angle. Me, I'd try a larger grip size, then work down, but only if you have to. Your 4 1/4 grip is small (if you are a man). That Nadal someone makes a tiny grip work for him should mean nothing to a club player.
It should be great using a mic, I need to turn sound to max level in order to hear you
Didn't he do a video on this already?
I played with L3 grip (+overgrip) for many years, and about 3-4 years ago a coach suggested me to try L2 (+overgrip) size. Since then I cannot play with anything else. Well, my fingers are not especially long, my 17 year old son is already using L4 with an overgrip. I am not sure if anyone else recognized this, but my Wilson Burn 100 v4 with an L2 grip has a circumference of 4 3/8", which should be an L3 already. 🙂
Please turn up the audio volume this channel is like 30% as loud as every other youtube channel
Do you have consults for this? I have no idea how to do this and get conflicting advice 😭
Bro what are those all white frames at the bottom of the screen please
@Tennis Spin you have great videos with lot of useful info.. I have couple of questions not sure which is the right forum ..but just asking here in case you happen to see them and answer.
1. Where do we see the version of a tennis racket ..specially Yonex ..i Have a Ezone DR 98 and not sure what version is that and also i do not see it mentioned in new Ezone also. This is to make sure that i am not buying some old inventory
2. Can you please do a comparison of Ezone 98 and Babolat Pure drive ( both latest version)?
3. Also, i heard you saying that racket's stiffness (RA factor) has nothing to do with tennis elbow or pain in forearm i have felt it my self that when i used a Head Radical i used to get lot of pain ( i am a beginner ) specially while serving as most of the serves used to hit frame. And i demoed a couple of head/Wilson rackets and then finalized on ezone DR 98 as it felt very arm friendly. NOt sure if it is to do with RA factor or just that ezone was heavier than other rackets that i tried.
Stiffer rackets are generally lighter. Heavier rackets are generally more flexible. The reason for this generalization is that people using lighter rackets generally want more power and easier to swing. Control rackets on the other hand tend to be heavier and more flexible. As with most things, there are exceptions.
@@mitchellsewell275 Thanks JM for response.. your explanation makes some. I was just looking at weight and stiffness for ezone 98 and Pure Drive and not sure if it willl count as an exception. Ezone 98 weight 305g / 10.8oz ; Stiffness 64 and for Pure drive Weight 300g/10.6oz ; stiffness 71; The stiffness factor varies much more than the weight
@@indernegi9668 Which is heavier? Which is stiffer? I would say that they fit the paradigm. Babolat are definitely stiffer across their line than most especially with their "player" sticks.
Does pure aero have the same as pure drive?
Did you feel the burn on the Wilson Burn?
In Germany I have gripsize 3. When I startedin the old days, I used gripsize 4. Whatever that is in the USA.
Grip sizes are stepped/graduated in 1/8 inch. 1=1/8, 2=2/8=1/4, 3=3/8, 4=4/8=1/2, 5=5/8 and so on.
hey Chief, you demo like modern grip. In old days you move in, hit than you follow through. your conti grip is a modern spin forehand. Snap on shots depends on circular racquet's head movement and adding your body weight into the shot. otherwise one may lose the the upper arm after hitting more then a dozen of forehands
Wolfy is 5’10” 150lb...has been playing tennis for half a century. Always builds grips to 4 ⅝, then adds one over grip. Hits with heavy topspin on both forehand and one-handed backhand. Comes to the net at every opportunity and finds racquet will twist if grip is anything less than 4 ⅝.
I actually need a 4 5/8 grip but there are NO 4 5/8 racquets anymore! In Europe that is. For some reason TW Europe chooses to not sell those. Many racquets they sell ARE made in a 4 5/8 grip size and are sold by Tennis Warehouse (USA). Just not in Europe.
I can't get used to a smaller grip. I tried but it keeps annoying me.
Smaller grips are bad news. 4 5/8" suit me fine, and my hands are not large.
Im a big believer in Babolat Pure Drive 3/8. Feels phenomenal for my 1 handed backhand. I can rip the 1hbh like Wawrinka!
It’s all subjective Harry
Excellent, I'm old school also. 5/8 grip. I'm 6' and can almost palm a men's basketball, big hands. Anything smaller than 1/2 I couldn't hang on to properly. I don't use overgrip, just the Head Hydrosorb Pro grip
stop recommending the pure drive, cmon its not for new players, its a racket that has no CONTROL literally the worst control i have ever seen and played with........
You are aware Grand Slams have been won with a Pure Drive?
@@robertclary1718 yea A PRO STOCK HEAVY CUSTOMIZED "pure drive" that is nothing compared to a pro stock
@@ssportslivetvstreaming that didn't make sense
@@robertclary1718 I actually buyed and played with the new pure drive and has no control
@@ssportslivetvstreaming Do you know it's the racquet or maybe just you that has no control?
That methods of the index finger in the gap and the other one of the ruler are both rubbish.
Smaller grip equals more wrist injury, which has skyrocketed in the last 15 years.
For beginners who are older that 14 start with 4-3/8” and go from there.
Nadal has small hands.
:)
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