This is one of the BEST Salatin talks I’ve heard. I think he’s 100% correct to suggest that mass food regulation should be struck down at the neighbour to neighbour level and let the market decide who survives as a farm and who does not. His farm is 100% transparent and i’ve seen several RUclipsr‘s visit him there. You’d /never/ be allowed to go into a factory egg/meat house or wander around a factory where animals are being raised & harvested. I loved his example of a single mom who might have a few skills being prevented in succeeding in succeed by bureaucracy. I also love how Joel brings young people onto his farm, allows them to learn and sends them off successful (if they actively choose to work at their OWN success). This guy is a blessing to all of us.
vclubamp, Well, in my humble opinion, we don’t need another POTUS that hates the government of the people. Joel is great. I love what he’s doing but he’s a libertarian. No thanks.
@@wendyscott8425 another? Wasn't aware we had one yet. Libertarianism doesn't mean you hate the government of the people. It means you think the role of the government and its relationship to the people should be very different than what we have.
@@wendyscott8425 The United States was founded and began with libertarianism: minimum, small government and no intrusion into your personal life and property rights. That lasted from 1788 until the Civil War.
In US we get around this by 'cow shares' were folks buy shares in the cow, for example, making those shareholders owners, therefore they can get the cow products, raw milk etc because they own the cow and so on ...
I heard an interesting take on "rights". Rights are anything you can do in the middle of the woods by yourself. If it requires effort from someone else it is no longer a right, save those instances where we need protection from the state.
@@leifcian4288 WE'RE PAYING A SECOND CAR PAYMENT WITH MORE FORCED INSURANCE COSTS, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT MAFIA INSURANCE REFUSED TO PAY OUR CLAIM WITH FULL COVERAGE INSURANCE AND ROAD SERVICE... SAID WE NEEDED COMPREHENTION INSTEAD... WE CALLED THE STATE FOR HELP; THEY DON'T PROTECT, THEY ABUSE!!! THEY WRITE LIES ON RECORD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM US... BLACK LISTS ARE REAL!!!
I agree with Mr. Salatin completely, but I put it more plainly: the real rights do not require that you TAKE anything from me. When you say "the right to food" -- someone else has to WORK and PRODUCE that food. If you claim it as a "right," then you are making a slave out of them. Your right to free speech, assembly, self-defense, and property does not take anything by force from me and my family.
End central banking and all this corporatism nonsense will come to an end, and we will not have to explain the proven simple libertarian idea to indoctrinated sheepeople.
He doesn't understand austerity. It is government-imposed while at the same time multinationals are paying no taxes with no penalty. That's corporate welfare.
He doesn't realize he is imposed upon to believe there are lazy poor people and industrious people and not even consider the greedy corporations which create more limitations in law on small farmers. Poor people who are disenfranchised or limited in opportunity and/or education are not his enemy or opposites.
There are plenty of people who use austerity and blame government instead of taking responsibility and realising that most of what happens jn your life is in your hands.
Thirty years vegetarian and happier for it, I'm a 6 foot strong man, healthy, I'm nearing fifty and for the last ten years I go to the doctors once a year only to get a man check. The thing that Joel never brings across is the ridiculous amounts of meat that people eat today, cheap meat is the modern day scandal. I agree with building soils, making food great, I belive in lots of what he says, 'a fraternity of ideas' but really for those who choose to do so, meat consumption is a luxury, it isn't an everyday thing and it never will be.
It doesn't have to be an everyday thing, but it doesn't have to be eliminated from our diets either. If it weren't for our ability to eat meat, we wouldn't be here deciding whether or not to eat it as our species would have died off during the ice ages when vegetables and fruits were pretty much nonexistent. And buying grass-fed meats, pasture-raised chickens and their eggs, and produce grown on regenerative farms supports the rebuilding of our soil and enables CO2 to get put back into it and out of our atmosphere. Plants and animas (and humans for that matter) evolved together. There have always been predators and prey. We'd like to think that's terrible, but it is what it is, what nature intended. Humans just need to use their heads and not eat the meat produced on industrial farms. Plus, we can be perfectly healthy not eating meat with every meal. Trader Joe's now has milk and yogurt from grass-fed cows. I buy all that stuff. I'll never be a farmer as I'm too old, but I can support a better environment with my dollars.
Joel doesn't bring up amounts of meat that people eat because they specifically raise nutritious meat in a large variety of animals. The more improved the quality of meat, the more sated people are when eating the good quality meat. He even joked about the herbivore customers....because he finds it funny.
Same here. Vegetarian for 25 years and very happy with it on BOTH health and moral grounds. I'm a rare older American on NO prescription drugs. Only animal products contain cholesterol. I don't need cows to be stabbed through the eye into their brain with a spike to keep me alive, ethically. More people should visit an abattoir and see where their hamburger is coming from ... IF the "food producers" would allow them to see it!
Joel's paradigm regarding vegetarians is different. Joel pointed out a farm making 150K from 0.9acres - clearly farming vegetables without livestock is possible and profitable. I propose they (vegetarians) are on the fringes of innovation that Joel speaks of; rather than urban disease. Ofcourse, globally a vegetarian diet is the norm with meat being eaten on occasion. The paradigm about concentrating on building soil is universal in farming.
i would bet they are running chickens on that small farm as you can make 60k a year on an acre for chicken production rotating them around every day and they cut your fertilizer and insecticide bill as well.
I like Mr. Salatin's goals, methods, and philosophy; but, it's a pity he is so concentrated on making a buck off of dead animals. There is one more moral leap he needs to make. Vegetarianism/veganism is definitely not a "fad." It is science-based health, with the best knowledge that we have. Both Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr have been vegetarian for years. So have I, for more than 20 years, on both health (cholesterol, which comes only from animal products) AND moral grounds (I don't need cows slaughtered with a spike through their eye to sustain my life and health). I also disagree strongly on his description of the fast-developing market for plant-based meat substitutes. Such "burgers" from Morningstar, Tofurkey, and Beyond Foods are delicious. We agree completely on the tyranny of "zoning." It is insane that a farm is not allowed to make chicken broth (or vegetable broth) on site. All of this is about access to the market, not health and sanitation. "Zoning" is a tyranny by the bureaucracy to keep the "little people" OUT of new enterprises and markets. I oppose all "zoning," period. It is really an infringement of property rights. If you cannot use your land and property the way that YOU want to, then you are not "the land of the free." You have no property rights. I fully support Mr. Salatin on this libertarian philosophy. His book 'Everything I Want to Do is Illegal' is a very humorous take on this subject from his personal experience.
I do wish he would keep to farming and leave his garbage politics out of it. Misquoting the Bible is the least of it. Libertarian (read: Neo-Feudalism) Rights? Real rights?
lol, his politics and religion drive his farming, it is all of a set. What you call Neo-Feudalism is lowering the barrier to entry that allows people with no political connections or wealth to enter into farming as a profession, on a voluntary basis, on both sides. I know that is a foreign concept to you, it being a prime example of the free exchange of value between two private citizens, but nevertheless, it is a superior method around which to organize a society.
@@idiocracy10 What he's doing is fine. I have no argument with his papraxis. His political stance doesn't have shyt to do with its effectiveness. See Perkins or Holmgren, Lawton, etc. They are progressives. This Libertarian Garbage ends in an Kristo-Ethno State. Earn your keep is dangerous. So is caveat emptor.
@@GlenGanaway you are nuts. spouting demagogic statements about libertarian ethno states is a sign of mental illness, or severe academy induced disassociation from reality. Infact, the further away from libertarianism, and meritocratic distribution of resources you get, the more likely you will have some form of an ethno state, due to the competition for the control of resources thru the high powered government. Earn your keep is a law of nature, just as much as the laws of thermodynamics. But politicians sell a lie that they can "give" you a certain minimum level of goods and services for "free" to buy power, all while using your tax dollars to do it. I dont know what is more perverse, that they do it, or that fools like you have bought the propaganda so much so that you argue their case for them like some severe case of stockholm syndrome. Why are you not arguing for the breaking up of large multi-industry conglomerate corporations that compete on rent seeking, cronyism, scale, and monopolistic practices, why is not the separation of industry and state just as necessary as religion and state, in your mind? They didnt serve that flavor of kool-ade in your schools? edit: And his political stance has a lot to do with his compensation models, his laissez faire approach to how he employs his workers/partners creates skin in the game for them, as well as a motivation to innovate that is just not available to salaried or hourly employees. so his political stances drive his personal approach to how he operates his business, so at some level it does have an effect on the success of his operation. I would posit that it is greater than you realize.
@@idiocracy10 I'm going to respond in good faith. Earn your keep & merit based rewards are bunk. I"m glad your mother didn't operate that way when she fed you. Nature requires cooperation, or you don't survive. Would you really have the only people eating work for it? That's genocidal. The god Mr Salatin claims to revere doesn't do this. Corporations get the majority of handouts, not the people. They certainly don't earn it. Politicians give them monopolies. Regulations are in place because corporations would poison everything if we let them...and are. Of course I want an end that. Mr Salatin is using Libertarian talking points to support his farming method when it does nothing of the sort. I do wish we could give Liberarians an island, or continent and leave us alone as they Darwin themselves out of existence. Mr. Salatin is the most benign form of Libertarian (Libertarian-Socialist), but he'd be really mad if his neighbor starting fracking. I hope you get all the money you ever want, JKM. I hope that you and your family never have to earn the right to fresh air, healthy food, clean water and shelter over your head. Or have to rely on someone else's charity for healthcare, technology or an education. There is enough money, assets, food and work (all kinds, including ones that don't create sacred cash) to take care of us all.
@@GlenGanaway "earn your keep & merit based rewards are bunk." and thus we begin down the socialist rabbit hole. My mother fed me, knowing that eventually I would be feeding her. No government home. It is the very epitomie of earning your keep, raising the next generation that will sustain you in your old age. Oh I forgot, you have the government to keep you secure in your old age, my bad. good luck with that. Yes, Corporations do get a lot of handouts, because they have the money to buy politicians, so making the politicians more powerful, as every socialist system does, only aids large corporations. It is the libertarians and other small government types that want to end government welfare. If you want to end big business domination of the dispersal of funds, then end big government control of that decision. Regulations are not there to protect from poisoning, they are there to provide a moat for the big corporations. It is sad that you do not see this, this is the main point that Joel Salatin points out. Joel Salatin goes out of business if he poisons one of his customers or one of his neighbors. he has a high level of motivation to conduct his farm and his business in such a manner that is does zero harm to anyone. The big corporate feeder operations do not, they comply or pay fines, bu they could give two shits if they poison a few people or their neighbors are poisoned by runoff or leeching. I know from personal experience, they just budget in the fines and court costs. and political payoffs. The power of scale after all. Libertarians had an island, it was called north america, and it dominated the world, now the socialists have come in to dilute it into nothing, creating the rent seeking corps and government programs that you think are so beneficial, and all the while you blame the libertarians. I will get what I earn, good and bad. I hope you get what you earn, but moreso, I hope you just pull your head out of your ass and see into your blind spots. I strive to view into my blind spots every day, because I know they are what are holding me back from earning more. While people like you, not you necessarily, are paid to build blind spots because that is what the powers that be want . My sincere hope is that you can see that difference, whether that makes you "right" or me "right'. peer into your blind spots.
This is one of the BEST Salatin talks I’ve heard.
I think he’s 100% correct to suggest that mass food regulation should be struck down at the neighbour to neighbour level and let the market decide who survives as a farm and who does not.
His farm is 100% transparent and i’ve seen several RUclipsr‘s visit him there. You’d /never/ be allowed to go into a factory egg/meat house or wander around a factory where animals are being raised & harvested.
I loved his example of a single mom who might have a few skills being prevented in succeeding in succeed by bureaucracy. I also love how Joel brings young people onto his farm, allows them to learn and sends them off successful (if they actively choose to work at their OWN success).
This guy is a blessing to all of us.
The ,, lunatic farmer ‘’ is a piece of gold!!!!!
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Bring back the milk man. Simply set up routes where delivery services pick up farm production and delivers it to the customer.
The brilliance of this man
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When Joel Salatin runs for POTUS, I know who I'm voting for already.
vclubamp, Well, in my humble opinion, we don’t need another POTUS that hates the government of the people. Joel is great. I love what he’s doing but he’s a libertarian. No thanks.
@@wendyscott8425 another? Wasn't aware we had one yet. Libertarianism doesn't mean you hate the government of the people. It means you think the role of the government and its relationship to the people should be very different than what we have.
@@matthewtaylor2185 Well, I agree with that. I just don't agree with libertarianism. :)
@@wendyscott8425 do you want the govt to wipe your ass for you?
@@wendyscott8425 The United States was founded and began with libertarianism: minimum, small government and no intrusion into your personal life and property rights. That lasted from 1788 until the Civil War.
51:10 D. Howard Doane. Vertical Farm Diversification. University of Oklahoma Press, 1950.
I wonder what Joel thought about that stage creaking under foot?
Rocking the boat, matey.
He is saying out loud what needs to be recognised and acted on. Change is necessary.
Hwoo, thankyou!
In US we get around this by 'cow shares' were folks buy shares in the cow, for example, making those shareholders owners, therefore they can get the cow products, raw milk etc because they own the cow and so on ...
@@nateman10 interesting...
nateman10 Humorous! And all true!!!
@@nateman10 lololol that is hilarious...
Colleen Lassie Maryland outlawed cow shares and raw milk...we have to drive into PA for raw milk!!!!
BeeFriendlyApiary - yep, drive to Chambersburg, PA for our milk.
Still the best.
What was the edit around 46 seconds ....that was getting interesting around “rights” but I can hear the howls already
I heard an interesting take on "rights". Rights are anything you can do in the middle of the woods by yourself. If it requires effort from someone else it is no longer a right, save those instances where we need protection from the state.
Meaning the state is the aggressor or the state is the protector?
Nah, fend off the marauders in the woods by yourself then...
THE STATE IS NOT A PROTECTOR, THEY ARE THE ABUSERS!!! THEY STEAL FROM THE WORKER AND GIVE TO THE NON WORKING, OR LAZY PEOPLE WITH LIES OF THEIR OWN...
@@leifcian4288 WE'RE PAYING A SECOND CAR PAYMENT WITH MORE FORCED INSURANCE COSTS, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT MAFIA INSURANCE REFUSED TO PAY OUR CLAIM WITH FULL COVERAGE INSURANCE AND ROAD SERVICE... SAID WE NEEDED COMPREHENTION INSTEAD... WE CALLED THE STATE FOR HELP; THEY DON'T PROTECT, THEY ABUSE!!! THEY WRITE LIES ON RECORD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM US... BLACK LISTS ARE REAL!!!
I agree with Mr. Salatin completely, but I put it more plainly: the real rights do not require that you TAKE anything from me. When you say "the right to food" -- someone else has to WORK and PRODUCE that food. If you claim it as a "right," then you are making a slave out of them. Your right to free speech, assembly, self-defense, and property does not take anything by force from me and my family.
Bro Joel, let us be farmer partners , in the millenium !
Who is the 'she' around 40mins?
1:17:50 Minette? Batters? Maybe?
End central banking and all this corporatism nonsense will come to an end, and we will not have to explain the proven simple libertarian idea to indoctrinated sheepeople.
He doesn't understand austerity. It is government-imposed while at the same time multinationals are paying no taxes with no penalty. That's corporate welfare.
He doesn't realize he is imposed upon to believe there are lazy poor people and industrious people and not even consider the greedy corporations which create more limitations in law on small farmers. Poor people who are disenfranchised or limited in opportunity and/or education are not his enemy or opposites.
There are plenty of people who use austerity and blame government instead of taking responsibility and realising that most of what happens jn your life is in your hands.
Thirty years vegetarian and happier for it, I'm a 6 foot strong man, healthy, I'm nearing fifty and for the last ten years I go to the doctors once a year only to get a man check. The thing that Joel never brings across is the ridiculous amounts of meat that people eat today, cheap meat is the modern day scandal. I agree with building soils, making food great, I belive in lots of what he says, 'a fraternity of ideas' but really for those who choose to do so, meat consumption is a luxury, it isn't an everyday thing and it never will be.
It doesn't have to be an everyday thing, but it doesn't have to be eliminated from our diets either. If it weren't for our ability to eat meat, we wouldn't be here deciding whether or not to eat it as our species would have died off during the ice ages when vegetables and fruits were pretty much nonexistent. And buying grass-fed meats, pasture-raised chickens and their eggs, and produce grown on regenerative farms supports the rebuilding of our soil and enables CO2 to get put back into it and out of our atmosphere. Plants and animas (and humans for that matter) evolved together. There have always been predators and prey. We'd like to think that's terrible, but it is what it is, what nature intended. Humans just need to use their heads and not eat the meat produced on industrial farms. Plus, we can be perfectly healthy not eating meat with every meal. Trader Joe's now has milk and yogurt from grass-fed cows. I buy all that stuff. I'll never be a farmer as I'm too old, but I can support a better environment with my dollars.
Joel doesn't bring up amounts of meat that people eat because they specifically raise nutritious meat in a large variety of animals. The more improved the quality of meat, the more sated people are when eating the good quality meat. He even joked about the herbivore customers....because he finds it funny.
you make a great point, in his book he does mention the sheer amount of meat americans are eating, and how unnatural it is.
Same here. Vegetarian for 25 years and very happy with it on BOTH health and moral grounds. I'm a rare older American on NO prescription drugs. Only animal products contain cholesterol. I don't need cows to be stabbed through the eye into their brain with a spike to keep me alive, ethically. More people should visit an abattoir and see where their hamburger is coming from ... IF the "food producers" would allow them to see it!
Joel's paradigm regarding vegetarians is different. Joel pointed out a farm making 150K from 0.9acres - clearly farming vegetables without livestock is possible and profitable.
I propose they (vegetarians) are on the fringes of innovation that Joel speaks of; rather than urban disease.
Ofcourse, globally a vegetarian diet is the norm with meat being eaten on occasion. The paradigm about concentrating on building soil is universal in farming.
i would bet they are running chickens on that small farm as you can make 60k a year on an acre for chicken production rotating them around every day and they cut your fertilizer and insecticide bill as well.
I love Joel's passion for clean farming. But, that's about it.
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I like Mr. Salatin's goals, methods, and philosophy; but, it's a pity he is so concentrated on making a buck off of dead animals. There is one more moral leap he needs to make. Vegetarianism/veganism is definitely not a "fad." It is science-based health, with the best knowledge that we have. Both Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr have been vegetarian for years. So have I, for more than 20 years, on both health (cholesterol, which comes only from animal products) AND moral grounds (I don't need cows slaughtered with a spike through their eye to sustain my life and health).
I also disagree strongly on his description of the fast-developing market for plant-based meat substitutes. Such "burgers" from Morningstar, Tofurkey, and Beyond Foods are delicious.
We agree completely on the tyranny of "zoning." It is insane that a farm is not allowed to make chicken broth (or vegetable broth) on site. All of this is about access to the market, not health and sanitation. "Zoning" is a tyranny by the bureaucracy to keep the "little people" OUT of new enterprises and markets. I oppose all "zoning," period. It is really an infringement of property rights. If you cannot use your land and property the way that YOU want to, then you are not "the land of the free." You have no property rights. I fully support Mr. Salatin on this libertarian philosophy. His book 'Everything I Want to Do is Illegal' is a very humorous take on this subject from his personal experience.
37:43 "who cares about world standards, just feed yourself". Well that's mighty christian of you.
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I do wish he would keep to farming and leave his garbage politics out of it. Misquoting the Bible is the least of it. Libertarian (read: Neo-Feudalism) Rights? Real rights?
lol, his politics and religion drive his farming, it is all of a set. What you call Neo-Feudalism is lowering the barrier to entry that allows people with no political connections or wealth to enter into farming as a profession, on a voluntary basis, on both sides. I know that is a foreign concept to you, it being a prime example of the free exchange of value between two private citizens, but nevertheless, it is a superior method around which to organize a society.
@@idiocracy10 What he's doing is fine. I have no argument with his papraxis. His political stance doesn't have shyt to do with its effectiveness. See Perkins or Holmgren, Lawton, etc. They are progressives. This Libertarian Garbage ends in an Kristo-Ethno State. Earn your keep is dangerous. So is caveat emptor.
@@GlenGanaway you are nuts. spouting demagogic statements about libertarian ethno states is a sign of mental illness, or severe academy induced disassociation from reality. Infact, the further away from libertarianism, and meritocratic distribution of resources you get, the more likely you will have some form of an ethno state, due to the competition for the control of resources thru the high powered government.
Earn your keep is a law of nature, just as much as the laws of thermodynamics. But politicians sell a lie that they can "give" you a certain minimum level of goods and services for "free" to buy power, all while using your tax dollars to do it. I dont know what is more perverse, that they do it, or that fools like you have bought the propaganda so much so that you argue their case for them like some severe case of stockholm syndrome.
Why are you not arguing for the breaking up of large multi-industry conglomerate corporations that compete on rent seeking, cronyism, scale, and monopolistic practices, why is not the separation of industry and state just as necessary as religion and state, in your mind? They didnt serve that flavor of kool-ade in your schools?
edit: And his political stance has a lot to do with his compensation models, his laissez faire approach to how he employs his workers/partners creates skin in the game for them, as well as a motivation to innovate that is just not available to salaried or hourly employees. so his political stances drive his personal approach to how he operates his business, so at some level it does have an effect on the success of his operation. I would posit that it is greater than you realize.
@@idiocracy10 I'm going to respond in good faith. Earn your keep & merit based rewards are bunk. I"m glad your mother didn't operate that way when she fed you. Nature requires cooperation, or you don't survive. Would you really have the only people eating work for it? That's genocidal. The god Mr Salatin claims to revere doesn't do this.
Corporations get the majority of handouts, not the people. They certainly don't earn it. Politicians give them monopolies. Regulations are in place because corporations would poison everything if we let them...and are. Of course I want an end that.
Mr Salatin is using Libertarian talking points to support his farming method when it does nothing of the sort. I do wish we could give Liberarians an island, or continent and leave us alone as they Darwin themselves out of existence. Mr. Salatin is the most benign form of Libertarian (Libertarian-Socialist), but he'd be really mad if his neighbor starting fracking.
I hope you get all the money you ever want, JKM. I hope that you and your family never have to earn the right to fresh air, healthy food, clean water and shelter over your head. Or have to rely on someone else's charity for healthcare, technology or an education. There is enough money, assets, food and work (all kinds, including ones that don't create sacred cash) to take care of us all.
@@GlenGanaway "earn your keep & merit based rewards are bunk." and thus we begin down the socialist rabbit hole. My mother fed me, knowing that eventually I would be feeding her. No government home. It is the very epitomie of earning your keep, raising the next generation that will sustain you in your old age. Oh I forgot, you have the government to keep you secure in your old age, my bad. good luck with that.
Yes, Corporations do get a lot of handouts, because they have the money to buy politicians, so making the politicians more powerful, as every socialist system does, only aids large corporations. It is the libertarians and other small government types that want to end government welfare. If you want to end big business domination of the dispersal of funds, then end big government control of that decision. Regulations are not there to protect from poisoning, they are there to provide a moat for the big corporations. It is sad that you do not see this, this is the main point that Joel Salatin points out. Joel Salatin goes out of business if he poisons one of his customers or one of his neighbors. he has a high level of motivation to conduct his farm and his business in such a manner that is does zero harm to anyone. The big corporate feeder operations do not, they comply or pay fines, bu they could give two shits if they poison a few people or their neighbors are poisoned by runoff or leeching. I know from personal experience, they just budget in the fines and court costs. and political payoffs. The power of scale after all.
Libertarians had an island, it was called north america, and it dominated the world, now the socialists have come in to dilute it into nothing, creating the rent seeking corps and government programs that you think are so beneficial, and all the while you blame the libertarians.
I will get what I earn, good and bad. I hope you get what you earn, but moreso, I hope you just pull your head out of your ass and see into your blind spots. I strive to view into my blind spots every day, because I know they are what are holding me back from earning more. While people like you, not you necessarily, are paid to build blind spots because that is what the powers that be want . My sincere hope is that you can see that difference, whether that makes you "right" or me "right'. peer into your blind spots.