I think you need to remember that when a bill is passed anymore there is so many things attached to it. sometimes they want to pass it without even knowing what's in it. I think saying no and looking into every single bill individually is really important.
The problem is that neither party wants to compromise on anything. So many bills did in committee because neither party wants to remove their pork so that the real problems get solved.
Voting has become less about who you want to be in the seat and more about keeping out the one you don't want. Watching this debate was for me to learn if I'm voting for who I want, or if I'm voting to keep the other one out. 4 candidates on the ballot? but only two major players. If I didn't care who ended up in the seat, I'd use my vote the way it was intended.
We need ranked choice voting in this country. If we could cast votes of diminished value for second and third choice candidates, then our primary vote for a third party would not be a throwaway vote.
Better than ranked choice voting is replacing our first past the post system entirely with proportional representation. With that system a first election would determine each parties order of picks for Congressional seats. After that a second vote would take place without names but political parties with a proportional number of seats being awarded to each party based on the percentage of the vote they got. Say there were 100 seats up for reelection, if the Republican party got 35 percent of the vote, they would get 35 seats and would refer back to their list of most popular candidates and give those seats to the top 35 on that list. The Democratic party got 25% and 25 seats and a third party got the remaining 30 percent and gets 30 seats. This would eliminate the two party tug of war and allow Congress to be a more diverse forum for all kinds of ideas.
Good debate, very enlightening and revealing on both men's character. While I'm registered R to vote in primaries I haven't voted for an R president for the last 3 terms. I hate the current 2 party system... but Mike Lee has more integrity than McMullen... Lee shares exactly why he voted the way he did because he's obviously thought it through. He is clearly familiar with the constitution and refers to it on the spot. I'm confident he will hold to constitutional principles. If he was unaffiliated I would be even more likely to vote for him. McMullen on the other hand is using slight of hand and rhetoric to taint reality. He accused Lee wanting to deport dreamers when Lee had clearly stated his support of them. His ads are "anti-Lee" and a temptation of "power for Utah" but his actions say he'll do anything for power. Run as democrat to increase odds of winning - check. (Didnt work) Accept money from the "broken political system" to increase odds - Check. He's not standing on principles. If you stand for nothing you'll fall for everything. Lee stands for principles and he's willing to say NO to trump and biden... I like that... very rare in a politician :)
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence. Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
The reason neither candidate answered the first question is because the debate format neglected to include opening statements ... duh. Give them 60 seconds for opening statements so things can get on track faster ... rookie mistake by the organizers.
@@truedarkness4052 it’s obviously a bunch of regular Utahns. Nobody supports evan McMullin. He’s a fake candidate. He doesn’t even have any beliefs. He just says what he thinks people want to hear. At least Lee believes in something.
All that time recruiting people from extremist groups to work with the CIA in the Middle East and you’d think he’d be better at gaslighting, which is all McMullin did this whole debate. You can hear the manipulative tactic in his voice. Some of us see through it buddy. Mike Lee for Utah senate all day, every day.
Ya, I feel bad for his wife and her 5 kids. He very clearly married her right before running for office so he could run as a father and family man because attack ads called him out in 2016 for not having a family or ties to the community.
Wow, I though Doug would be a good moderator, but the constant chastisement of the audience is so annoying. The chastisement took longer then the audience reactions.
Here's an idea. If this is an important debate, don't try to cram it into an hour. Let them go back and forth as many times as they want until we get to the truth... for hours. "B-b-but television needs it be an hour". Okay, post the whole thing on youtube. We shouldn't be held to ancient traditional TV cramming.
I love how Evan concedes that the Senator voted No for the spending bills, but then says he doesn’t get credit because it didn’t work to stop the spending. Which if Evan was Senator and voted No would’ve had the same result. Basically, Evan seems to believe that if he does the same as the Senator but “reaches across the aisle” (implying that Lee doesn’t, without evidence) then he will be able to do more. Evan seems to want to become like Joe Manchin, a Senator with the power to hold the Senate hostage by selling a vote for the right pork or donations. No, I have no proof that he will do this but when he talks in such a non-commital way that’s what it seems to me.
Lol you allowed the national debt to increase. How dare you. You didn't vote to send billions in cash to Ukraine. How dare you. Where do these people come from where they think we are this stupid?
@@L._Diaz How do you know that Lee ISN’T reaching across the aisle? I think that Democrats it’s more likely to slap his hand away than Lee refusing to work with Democrats. To be fair, I don’t have proof that he IS trying to work with Democrats, but I’m not accusing him of anything. It’s easy for McMullin to accuse Lee of refusing to work with Democrats when he doesn’t have to provide any evidence.
@@irenefavela3197 When tax dollars go to pay people's bills....I wonder why the prices of those commodities magically go up? Hmm....economics 101. Supply and demand. That is why Reagan famously said, the government is NOT the solution, but the problem!!! Wise words. Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell have been trying to educate the Left for decades. There is no Santa Claus....sorry to break it to you.
@@irenefavela3197 you mean professional liberals? Why aren't students who've already paid their debt getting any compensation? Oh because they are not in this group that are primarily studying in liberal arts! Biden is grooming kids and brainwashing the new generation to think Democrats are on their side.
Both candidates are gross. Their political speech is so scripted and manipulative. I guess we’re still forced to choose the lesser of two poor choices.
this is why i hate politics and i hate it when it comes election time because every year it makes me realize more and more that nobody is fit to be anything
PS I'm old enough to remember senator Lee going tomorrow Lago for a fundraiser 3 weeks after the insurection, I wonder what he and Trump talked about during that time? just asking PS what happened to Scott Wyatt :-) he's my favorite Southern Utah Republican, damn my fat fingers I meant insurrection or violent overthrow of our constitutional democracy thank God for edit
Why were only these candidates invited?? There are 4 candidates on the ballot. Where are the other 2? This was just a silly slapfight that went exactly how everyone expected it to go and changed nobody's mind. Having a couple more podiums might have made the candidates actually talk about policies instead of platitudes and one another.
Yes! It’s not even democrat vs republican. They used to pretend that only the two major parties get to participate. Now we have an independent and a republican in the debate, yet the other candidates still aren’t there!
@@spencerpetersen4092 The Democrats did not field a candidate. And the polls have them combining for like 97-98%, who would you suggest be on there? Green Party? There's a Libertarian but he's not even in the polls.
@@spencerpetersen4092 it is democrat vs republican. But democrats realize they can’t win in Utah if they tell the truth so they had Evan McMullin run as “independent” and lie about his stances. If you look who funds him though, it’s democrats. They even didn’t put up a democrat candidate so it could be 1v1. I hope people pay attention.
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence. Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
Goodness, could Mike Lee look more smug and annoying? Multiple times it looked like he was going to leave his podium to get in Evan's face...can't believe I used to like Senator Lee. I've seen the spins he's made over the last few years. He's made more flips than IHOP.
Dear California, sorry, it's going to be a tight race. Since so many Californians have moved to Utah it's becoming a more balanced state political wise. Maybe even a purple state. No disrespect but this state needs that. McMullen is a step in the right direction. Thanks in part to the influx of Californians. God bless em.
Lee is a bit slow on the uptake, but he tends to listen to reason in the end. I'll prefer a bumbling fool who learns, over a spy planning to backstab me from the start.
@Andy Witmyer The Reps and Conservatives can't afford bots, and even if they did, big tech won't sell to them. But yeah, in all seriousness, I'm seeing some weird comments. There are certain errors people make when they type. There are different errors people on a script (or bots on a script) make. It's hard to tell them apart by sight alone, but some things are easier to measure. Take the like/dislike ratio, or the number of hidden comments. There's some clear favoritism going one way on the internet comments,, despite the live audience on camera definitely leaning a different direction.
Evan... what to say... For someone supposedly so eager to not be beholden to a party, you spent an awful lot of time focusing on partisanship, and not enough time on issues. Also, what you said relating to the story about the 10-year-old girl during the abortion section was false. It sounds to me like you are parroting Democrat talking points without even doing your research. I wanted to vote independent this time, but you lost me. You have too many differences to Lee on important issues to me, and in this case I'd prefer the devil I know to the devil I don't.
In reference to your comment about the 10 year old denied her right to an abortion as a false statement, is incorrect. July 2022, Ohio. A man was convicted of raping a 10 year old girl who was then denied an abortion due to the 6 week law forbidding any abortion in Ohio. Two suggestions, 1- do your research. 2- stop parroting the Republicans. Simple enough?
@@omingomak That is false. There was an exception in the Ohio law for her situation. But since her family were a bunch of activists who didn't understand the law, they decided to take her out of state unnecessarily. It is you who needs to "do your research" and "stop parroting".
Better double check your "facts". The young lady might have been able to use a loop hole In the Ohio law according to AG Yost of Ohio. But at 10 years old and the fact it was a pregnancy incurred during a rape. I'll go out on a limb and guess her "Activist" parents thought best to go to Indiana instead of gambling their child's well being on a loophole. Research it! Quit parroting BS.
Actually already happened multiple times this year. It’s not a talking point but the reality for some poor children in this country. If you think rape of children isn’t occurring then you have your head in the sand and are not fit for any kind of office.
thank you again for making this available on youtube. I'm currently living out of the country in St Kitts nevis. I will not have the opportunity to vote this time for my Utah senator. ropolado farms has long supported the Weber county community. lifelong farmer lifelong Republican I support McMillan
Mike Lee knows,has, and will continue to stand up for the constitution. Evan is being backed up by some of democrats money so I don’t call that running as an Independent. I was deceived once by voting for Evan, but not this time. Mike Lee all the way.
McMullin is like most “independents,” a democrat and will caucus with them if elected. Yes Sen Lee is being overly dramatic about apologies. This is not ping pong. Quit taking up time with pretended offense.
sad reality is independents have no chance without major funding in any race. i bet if democrats nominated a candidate they would slandering evan a "spoiler" during this debate
Voting for an independent is scary. This issue is highlighted here, when, after visiting Mcmullin’s website and watching this debate, I’m still not certain how he would vote in congress on many key policies that are important to me. His answers in this debate were vague, and his policies listed on his website are even less helpful in understanding what/who he truly supports. He also totally sidestepped the question on whether he thinks the government or corporations are responsible for the unrelenting inflation. Listed as an independent, unless Mcmullin explicitly states where he stands on every major issue, I have no idea how he will actually vote on those issues in Washington. As for Lee, I can at least say with some certainty that I know where he stands on many important policies due to his party alignment and his solid policy stance in this debate, therefore I have an idea of how he will vote in congress. That’s why it will be hard to ever leave a party system in America, because Independents like Mcmullin can be such wild cards in policy; and that is scary to voters.
@@kid113 the man is in favor of abortion. The man created socialist healthcare as a model to be used nationally. The man defiles God's name by citing him for political gain. He's a carpet bagger who uses his name to gain favor among the LDS community. He uses that favor to vote against LDS interests in going against prophetic council to live within your means, value life, and reject socialism and communism that strips agency.
this is something you retards need to understand, because nobody other than McMullin can beat Lee, its just a fact, if anyone beats Lee its McMullin, the dems have nobody on the ballot so obviously they are going to support the guy who has the best chance at taking down the republican because if you know anything about politics, republicans and democrats are very different, Democrats don’t support McMullin, they just would RATHER have him over Lee. I guarantee you that if there was someone listed as a democrat, no matter how small of a chance they would have, they would support the Democrat over McMullin unless McMullin was labeled as a dem. it’s common sense as to why the democratic party would support and send money to McMullin over Lee, you just need to not be retarded
Because they would RATHER Utah have a moderate conservative like McMullin then a staunch conservative like Lee. But they know a Democrat would have no chance in Utah.
@@cavedweller333 that’s a front. Sneaky evan has lots of experience manipulating people from his time in the CIA recruiting assets in the war on terror.
Just because the Democrats support him doesn’t mean they really like him. They just would RATHER have him instead of Mike Lee since he’s more moderate.
@@RubenQuinones1 Typical intimidation tactic.. It feels like I'm in 7th grade again. Use Words and ACTIONS, Mike. What a clown. Can someone name what good Mike has done for Utah?
Doug Wright ..... Look at Me syndrome. 60 seconds to save 5 seconds. Anywho....I was neutral going into the debate. Right now it appears Mike Lee will get my vote. Not sure what Evan stands for. He sounds Iike a Democrat.
Where do these guys stand on 2A stuff? I am surprised it wasn't in the debate. Can anyone enlighten me on this one? I looked online and cant see what McMullin has to say about it.
I looked for McMullin's position on it as well, and all I came up with is that he called on Mike Lee to back the "Safer Communities Act", which had some bad provisions (e.g. funding for red flag laws which encourages violating due process). Mike Lee opposed the "Safer Communities Act" because he would not trample on rights protected by the Constitution, and for that, I applaud him. Evan McMullin's calls to support it tell me what I need to know about his stance on the Second Amendment. As for Mike Lee, I've been very active in watching him. Pretty much every time I saw something concerning (proposed legislation or ATF's attempts to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens), he already had a message up on how he was working to fight against the government's infringement of our natural rights. I still emailed him, but it was a "Thank you for standing against this" instead of a "Please stand against this" (though I did have to send the latter to Romney so he knew the desires of his constituents). As far as all the 2A items I'd been tracking, Mike Lee never disappointed. Personally, I see the Second Amendment as the bulwark against the march of tyranny, so a candidate's position and record on this may possibly be my primary consideration in preserving a free state wherein all good can be openly pursued. If someone is for every lawful American keeping and bearing arms without infringement, it speaks a great deal to me of their regard for freedom and their disgust for tyranny. I wouldn't say those who allow infringements are actively FOR tyranny, but rather that their considerations are substantially short-sighted, by which they're being an unwitting boon to tyrants. I, too, mourn deeply for the loss of innocent life at the hands of criminals, and I want people to develop morality again so we can see these wicked crimes end. For the sake of freedom being maintained, we must not allow our natural rights to be infringed. History has shown us what tyrants do when the people are unable to oppose them - Mao, Stalin, Hitler. Without arms, tyrants impose their will and murder tens of millions more people than the sick, evil, and (generally) lone shooters do. Remember that every law has a loaded barrel at its end to enforce it, so if you stand without arms, you will find yourself subjected to every law the power-hungry can think up. Stay armed, stay free, and (most importantly) stay good to one another.
@@theDarkKni9ht exactly!! People seem to have forgotten this. The 2nd amendment us why the US didn't go down the road of Canada or Australia during ronapocalypse.
McMullin wants to be independent and says he won't identify with either party, but if you know how senators are selected for committees, you really need to identify with a party. Elected officials of the same party vote on who will be on certain committees, after which the total senate (both parties) vote on the who will be on the committee. So...... identifying with a party is important on getting on a committee. Since democrats paid for much of McMullin's campaign, don't think they they will not very strongly encourage him to identify with them. Also - what if at election time, there are 50 Republican senators elected and 49 Democrats, and since McMullin doesn't identify with a party, then Republicans will be in the majority. Don't think Democrats will almost force him to identify with them so they have the majority.
Why does this matter? McMullin is very far right. He's less libertarian right than Lee but he's about as conservative as it gets. His background may be an interesting shake-up within Democrat dominated committees. Sure the money will push him in a certain direction but also getting votes will continue pushing him conservative because Utah is mostly conservative voters.
@@Kevin_2435 He could be a socialist; not saying he is, but it's possible. People always seem to confuse Libertarians and socialists, despite Libertarians being against socialism on EVERY level.
@@stephtimms1776 Is this a bad thing? I hate Romney with a passion but he hasn't done anything illegal like participating in a quo like Lee, so there's that.
Was this supposed to be a dig aimed at McMullin? if so it failed sufficiently. I’d like to see your actual criticisms of his policies not just cheap name calling.
@suzy do you really expect anything less? Name calling and finger pointing is what the GOP has morphed into since they became beholden to their god, trump
@@cowsapphic it’s impossible to know McMuffins policies. He intentionally isn’t clear on them so he can attract centrist voters when in reality he is a Democrat in centrist clothing
@@utahedc447 Did you watch the same debate I did? He was clear on every issue. He even went as far as to say he’s Pro-life, he just believes (rightfully) that there are exceptions.
@@LivingCrusader MAGA has become the party of Traitors. Lee hasn't done much for all Utahns. I can't in good conscience vote for the right wing zealot.
@@JohnHancock.1776 I don't want unity in Washington. I want child mutilation banned. If you want to work with moderate Democrats that are willing to ban "gender affirmation" surgeries, fine. But I'm not interested in working with proponents of that.
@@owlblocksdavid4955 I believe in what the Constitution say, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. So this is not about what you want for others, is about being inclusive, nobody should be out of any possibility to pursuit their own happiness”.
That’s what all politicians do regardless of Party... But this was very clear - Which One Stands for the People & Which One Works for the Money To Be Bossed ... Joe Biden nor Donald Trump are the Leaders The Underworld are The Deceivers After watching all the Debates - this one was clear, as to Who will Lead rather then Be LED
Fact time: Continuing Appropriations and Ukraine supplemental appropriations Act, 2023 Lee did not vote. Inflation reduction act, 2022. Lee voted no. Honoring our pact act 2022 (expanding help for our vets) Lee voted no. Supreme court security funding act. 2022 (CHIPS and Science act of 2022) this was in acted to invest in computer chip manufacturing and development in the US. Lee voted no. Bipartisan safer communities act. 2022. Lee voted no. The list is long but its glaring in the sense lee only votes the party line. Sorry but that's a boot licker move on his part.
Mike Lee theatrics....always moving his pen and yellow pad, pointing to the moderator almost every time Evan spoke trying to draw attention away from his opponent, drinking water in a dramatic fashion and leaning away from his podium moving his shoulders square to Evan. And that smirk. Why won't he address his tweets?? #trump101BS
Pretty disappointed I voted for Mullin in the past.. He's nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothing. If you're a Democrat, run as one! No wonder why he's best buds with Romney. #Disappointments
@@cavedweller333 ahhh lets never forget the May 29 2020 insurrection. It was a day that should never be forgotten. It will live in the history books forever as the day our capitol was on fire and so many people were injured and lost lives. Never forget.
@@cavedweller333 Tried? You don't know what trying looks like. When Trump tries to do things, it ain't subtle, and it doesn't happen off camera. If anything, Trump defused the situation. No, things are going to happen - and I quote - "Legally. It has to be legal."
I agree with McMullin here. The blame game Us vs. Them politics is trash and is destroying the country. Lee is a rubber stamp sticking to the Red play book.
Mike Lee opposed a ton of Donald Trump’s bills. Lee didn’t exactly like Trump at first but worked with him to get things done. The problem is McMullin will always go against the populist group by the way he talks down about them which isn’t very helpful or supportive to what he states he’ll bring to the table. McMullin is all talk hoping people in Utah are stupid enough to believe him. I’m surprised so many are.
Funny thing is; that "Red play book" had me in a position to retire. Obeden's play book has gutted my sizeable retirement savings by close to 1/3. I guess I'll be working well into my 70's now.
@@old-patriot4509 I hear that a lot. In my experience due to Trumps" tax breaks" , I actually owed taxes at the end of the year for the first time in my life.
As soon as Mike Lee mentioned Milton Friedman, I was clapping for joy. I know exactly what Mike Lee will do and I agree wholeheartedly. Senator Lee has not only backed up his words; his records show that he has IN FACT signed many bills into law. You guys in Utah are lucky to have him.😔
Abortion is about to be legal across all 50 states, but we will never forget the names and faces of those, like you, who voted to rip ten year old girls apart by forcing them, A CHILD, to have a CHILD. You will 100% be judged by god for your satanic, evil ways.
Utah Senate Debate Summary: I believe the election was real more than you do. I love 3rd world immigration and oppose deportations more than you do. I am more reasonable on abortion than you. “I am more concerned about looking good than actually being good”-more than you.
And acting poorly at that. He voted for Biden. He is supported by Democrats as their last gasp effort to overturn this Senatorial seat. He's a Democrat charading as an independent.
@@matthewpotts167 That's not true. Unless you are loving this record high inflation, growing crime problems throughout the nation, record high energy prices and a dangerously depleted strategic oil reserve, and open border that ushers in Fentanyl that is killing thousands, human trafficking, inhumane deaths of migrants, and large numbers of gotaways... unknown numbers of criminals and terrorists. So no thanks, I will continue to urge sound thinking, country loving people to reject Biden-Harris and the Democratic party, even those who masquerade as an independent.
If you're new to Utah, please consider the kind of voting that shaped it into the wonderful environment that enticed you here. Please don't mar Utah with imported ideas that run contrary to what made this state somewhere you wanted to be.
I agree you probably shouldn't clap or cheer during the debate, but he didn't need to waste more time telling them to stop, just tell the audience to not do that and then end it there, and it was pretty dumb to stop them from clapping at the end, it's over so they arn't interrupting anything or anyone
Lol the last thing we need is more military spending while the country is over 30 trillion in debt(a huge chunk of that is thanks to Lee being a rubber stamp during the trump administration for trump's reckless spending)
@@bosmith1820 take a look at his voting record. While McConnell and other senate republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling multiple times during Trumps time in office, both Lee and Romney were a no go for all those times.
@@mckinlysnyder7035 The topic was military spending which Lee voted to support. We don't need more military spending. You can't say you are anti-war and want a bigger military. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics all saw their stocks skyrocket because of trump's increased military spending.
1/6 was a riot. We had them all summer. It only stinks to democrats. Independents and republicans don’t smell anything and are bothered you keep bringing it up.
They’re really honestly not that different in terms of policy. I like Lee better because of how intelligent he is when it comes to the constitution but either one would represent Utah well
You might want to check McMuffin's campaign page. The front page. The part where he advertises being a CIA spook who ran independent instead of democrat at the advice of democrats. Do not take a single thing that guy says at face value.
Mike Lee says we need to reduce spending but he wants to go hog wild buying ICBMs and Aircraft carriers. Yea... he wants to reduce spending on people and groups that do not fund his campaign.
@@davpal6067 Watch your mouth. I'm Chinese and American born. I should not have to tell you that racism is what is hurting the right wing extremists groups. Refer to the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys still in prison for attacking our state Capitol over Trump's Big Lie. Those are the Traitors we need to contain.
Having enough weapons to dissuade war is cheaper than fighting a war. Look at Ukraine. We could have stopped that for a fraction of the cost by upholding our promise to the Ukrainians to protect them in exchange for them denuclearizing them. Instead, we egged on Russia by raising oil prices, and promising NOT to defend Ukraine. Russia took the bait, and is being played. The military industrial complex makes trillions, the US spends billions, meanwhile the global logistics of fertilizer and electronics is put at risk. Yeah. ICBMs and Aircraft carriers are the CHEAPER alternative. And that's for a small war - what we need to dissuade is a world war.
if you think mcmullin was petty and smug it is because you can't see what either candidate is saying at face value. Your perception of both candidates was already decided, and so you view one as a success and the other as a failure
@@BrettWoodPiano I can see that one was acting/manipulating and the other was sincere. One was speaking to your emotions the other was speaking to logic and reason. McMullin is a CIA trained liar. He recruited people from extremist groups in the Middle East to work for him. He’s a democrat running as an independent. Dishonest AF! He’s changed his stance on multiple issues to virtue signal to his supporters. I’ve had years to observe Mike Lees actions. He’s consistent. Evan is a HUGE gamble for anyone voting for him. I’ll stick with the person who I know and who does a great job in his position.
I really think McMullen is lost in this idea that you can reach across the isle for common ground. That can't happen when democrats have their focus on social issues all while we are in position of fiscal collapse. Federal, state and personal finances are in limbo. Will social issue matter in a collapse? I argue no!
Evan McMullin was hard to follow. He accused Mike Lee of rhetoric but it his answers that were way too broad to understand. Mike Lee actually made everything more easily understood, even Evan's comments.
@@Kas25 Has McMullin decided where he stands on any issues? Or is he going to play independent and go with the establishment but say he’s just middle ground.
@@justsomelovelylady did u not watch the debate? he explained where he stood and even agreed on alot of the same issues as lee but took time to also expose how radical lee is
I thought Lee believed in term limits? shouldn't he step down and endorse a suitable Republican rather than "risking" losing the seat to an Independent?
With %70 of the vote every single election going to Lee the argument is that him giving up the seat would be in Democrats favor. He is the most popular Senator among his constituents in the Senate. I know you'll be surprised to hear that being that the press is in the bag for Democrats. I agree he should call it quits but not until he can endorse a constitutionalist like himself. We are in a constitutional crisis. It would do us no favors to give up one of the 3 good senators without a decent replacement.
@@stephenpetersen354 why does everyone on the internet take offense where there is no intent? I was responding to your claim that he's unpopular and risking the election. Many people don't talk to friends about politics or research politics to gain perspective of incumbent popularity. That doesn't make them idiots. So you do. Good on you. I figured you had not since you're considering it a risky election cycle for him.
@@ILikeFreedomYo you 100% missed the point of the comment while asserting that I'm obviously to the fact the gap between the two is much larger than some like to think. Mike Lee has hammered the concept of term limits. Now that the concept would apply to him he discards the idea because he claims we are in crisis. I thought our liberties and principles aren't to discarded in time of crisis. My concept was an idea for him to help repair the damage of 1/6 while avoiding the catastrophe that would occur an R wasn't in the seat. It was to point out that his manufactured crisis is completely avoidable if he held to his claimed principles.
@@stephenpetersen354 the crisis is legitimate and it's my argument not necessarily Lee's. Lee's participation on 1/6 is propaganda. Take a legitimate dive into the claims being made. It is the progressive takeover of law through the "experts" It's the transparent goal of the progressives to remove checks and balances in favor of an expert class of oligarchs. It's historically been announced through people like Wilson, Roosevelt, LBJ and the like. COVID made it undeniably transparent that Fauci has more powers then any of our elected officials. The Trump trials are showing us that the FBI has more power than the president. All these bureaucracies have been subverting our republic for a century now. One Senator giving up one seat on principal in this crisis would end in trillions more in debt and who knows what other insane ideologies cramming down. We've lost rule of law. We've lost our dollar. We've lost our daily rights. Our government now believes men can get pregnant. If this isn't crisis then what is? It's all bigger than Lee and giving up that seat gets us further from term limits not closer. Pro choice Republicans aren't endorsable and don't stand on principal let alone become worthy of the Lee's seat.
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence. Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
If Audiences cannot respond or clap, then don’t have them. WHAT is everyone afraid of? Why do we treat men running for high office like gentle cream puffs? We need old fashioned, intellectual, real debates without these rules to keep either one from going very deep on anything!
If you make a prediction as to future action based on present circumstance, in good faith, then find that circumstances change, then you are not a liar if you honestly change your actions. Parents deal with this nonsense all the time. "But you promised!", "You lied!", constant nonsense. How much sense does it make to enslave yourself to things said years ago based on assumptions that were proven false?
This was good to hear. Glad it was put on. I really wish we had more of this dialogue. This is the best way to learn about the candidates.
I think you need to remember that when a bill is passed anymore there is so many things attached to it. sometimes they want to pass it without even knowing what's in it. I think saying no and looking into every single bill individually is really important.
And remember when Rand Paul continually puts up the "read bill resolution" they give it a hard pass.
The problem is that neither party wants to compromise on anything. So many bills did in committee because neither party wants to remove their pork so that the real problems get solved.
this moderator takes up more time
It's all about him
I’m surprised he didn’t show a paddle to the audience, he contributed much to his domination.
Voting has become less about who you want to be in the seat and more about keeping out the one you don't want. Watching this debate was for me to learn if I'm voting for who I want, or if I'm voting to keep the other one out. 4 candidates on the ballot? but only two major players. If I didn't care who ended up in the seat, I'd use my vote the way it was intended.
We need ranked choice voting in this country. If we could cast votes of diminished value for second and third choice candidates, then our primary vote for a third party would not be a throwaway vote.
Better than ranked choice voting is replacing our first past the post system entirely with proportional representation. With that system a first election would determine each parties order of picks for Congressional seats. After that a second vote would take place without names but political parties with a proportional number of seats being awarded to each party based on the percentage of the vote they got. Say there were 100 seats up for reelection, if the Republican party got 35 percent of the vote, they would get 35 seats and would refer back to their list of most popular candidates and give those seats to the top 35 on that list. The Democratic party got 25% and 25 seats and a third party got the remaining 30 percent and gets 30 seats. This would eliminate the two party tug of war and allow Congress to be a more diverse forum for all kinds of ideas.
Doug Wright: “everyone stop applauding! You’re taking 30 seconds away from the debate!”
Also Doug Wright: Takes 2 minutes explaining that……
Exactly
My thoughts exactly 💯
I was thinking the same thing. 😅
It was a bad move to have a debate with an audience. #LeeforSenate
@@LivingCrusader Yep, Mike Lee got exposed for the charlatan fraud he is. McMullin destroyed him!
Geez we can’t even applaud at the end of the debate?!
So awkward…
check out floridas debate
then why can other countries buy our drugs for a third of what we pay for them while we pay the price
Maybe you need to ask your representative in your state. DC is in the pockets of Big Pharma.
Good debate, very enlightening and revealing on both men's character. While I'm registered R to vote in primaries I haven't voted for an R president for the last 3 terms. I hate the current 2 party system... but Mike Lee has more integrity than McMullen...
Lee shares exactly why he voted the way he did because he's obviously thought it through. He is clearly familiar with the constitution and refers to it on the spot. I'm confident he will hold to constitutional principles. If he was unaffiliated I would be even more likely to vote for him.
McMullen on the other hand is using slight of hand and rhetoric to taint reality. He accused Lee wanting to deport dreamers when Lee had clearly stated his support of them. His ads are "anti-Lee" and a temptation of "power for Utah" but his actions say he'll do anything for power. Run as democrat to increase odds of winning - check. (Didnt work) Accept money from the "broken political system" to increase odds - Check. He's not standing on principles.
If you stand for nothing you'll fall for everything. Lee stands for principles and he's willing to say NO to trump and biden... I like that... very rare in a politician :)
Bro was super trumpy, tf you mean?
17:20 that was the fastest "7-8 minutes" i've ever seen.
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence.
Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
Doug Wrong is a washed up elite himself. He has no sense
@@BumpyHumpyDumpy most Utahns support Lee and for good reason... biased media doesn't like that.
Fr 😂😂
I think he meant seconds not minutes
The reason neither candidate answered the first question is because the debate format neglected to include opening statements ... duh.
Give them 60 seconds for opening statements so things can get on track faster ... rookie mistake by the organizers.
Why do you bring an audience? pure circus
Lee needed a hype crowd since he's so pathetic
@@truedarkness4052 God forbid the public be present at a debate between people vying to be public representatives.
???? What are you smoking? Reminds me of something someone would say who believes it is racist to have a border and protect that border.
@@BumpyHumpyDumpy It's obvious It's a bunch of Lee simps cheering him
@@truedarkness4052 it’s obviously a bunch of regular Utahns. Nobody supports evan McMullin. He’s a fake candidate. He doesn’t even have any beliefs. He just says what he thinks people want to hear. At least Lee believes in something.
All that time recruiting people from extremist groups to work with the CIA in the Middle East and you’d think he’d be better at gaslighting, which is all McMullin did this whole debate. You can hear the manipulative tactic in his voice. Some of us see through it buddy. Mike Lee for Utah senate all day, every day.
Ya, I feel bad for his wife and her 5 kids. He very clearly married her right before running for office so he could run as a father and family man because attack ads called him out in 2016 for not having a family or ties to the community.
Wow, I though Doug would be a good moderator, but the constant chastisement of the audience is so annoying. The chastisement took longer then the audience reactions.
Here's an idea. If this is an important debate, don't try to cram it into an hour. Let them go back and forth as many times as they want until we get to the truth... for hours. "B-b-but television needs it be an hour". Okay, post the whole thing on youtube. We shouldn't be held to ancient traditional TV cramming.
I love how Evan concedes that the Senator voted No for the spending bills, but then says he doesn’t get credit because it didn’t work to stop the spending. Which if Evan was Senator and voted No would’ve had the same result. Basically, Evan seems to believe that if he does the same as the Senator but “reaches across the aisle” (implying that Lee doesn’t, without evidence) then he will be able to do more. Evan seems to want to become like Joe Manchin, a Senator with the power to hold the Senate hostage by selling a vote for the right pork or donations. No, I have no proof that he will do this but when he talks in such a non-commital way that’s what it seems to me.
correct.
Precisely!!!
Lol you allowed the national debt to increase. How dare you. You didn't vote to send billions in cash to Ukraine. How dare you.
Where do these people come from where they think we are this stupid?
It's pretty much that he doesn't reach across the aisle.
He is indebted to his party boss.
Evan will be indebted ONLY to his Utah voters .
@@L._Diaz How do you know that Lee ISN’T reaching across the aisle? I think that Democrats it’s more likely to slap his hand away than Lee refusing to work with Democrats. To be fair, I don’t have proof that he IS trying to work with Democrats, but I’m not accusing him of anything. It’s easy for McMullin to accuse Lee of refusing to work with Democrats when he doesn’t have to provide any evidence.
Evan endorsed Joe Biden, Mike Lee has my vote.
And mike lee endorses trump…. Soooo
Did Mike Lee not remember Trump running 3 one trillion dollar deficits while Trump was president before there was any need.
He voted against most bills
Zero money for our kids ! Debt ! Give tax brakes for fucking Bezos ! Ans our kids ? I’m gladly paying taxes for our kids to become professionals !!
@@irenefavela3197 When tax dollars go to pay people's bills....I wonder why the prices of those commodities magically go up? Hmm....economics 101. Supply and demand. That is why Reagan famously said, the government is NOT the solution, but the problem!!! Wise words. Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell have been trying to educate the Left for decades. There is no Santa Claus....sorry to break it to you.
@@irenefavela3197 you mean professional liberals? Why aren't students who've already paid their debt getting any compensation? Oh because they are not in this group that are primarily studying in liberal arts! Biden is grooming kids and brainwashing the new generation to think Democrats are on their side.
How much was Obama’s? Oh and now the puppet Joe what has that cost us?
Moderator telling crowd to shut up is wasting more time telling them to shut up😂
No joke, I always vote for the person ABC hates as that is the best way to find the good guy.
Vote for Mike Lee.
@@philmorris1675 no 😂😂😂
@@philmorris1675 doesn't he want to get rid of ss Medicare and medicaid?
Evan, You Should have won.
The moderator was awful and spent more time telling people to be quiet than anything the audience did
Both candidates are gross. Their political speech is so scripted and manipulative. I guess we’re still forced to choose the lesser of two poor choices.
this is why i hate politics and i hate it when it comes election time because every year it makes me realize more and more that nobody is fit to be anything
Good debate, I've got my ballot ready and this will help me make a better decision.
Vote for Senator Lee please,. McMullin is a democrate in disguise, which he is a lie as an independent.
You must not be very intelligent if you needed this to help you. How unfortunate stupid people can vote.
Vote for Lee. Don’t be fooled by Democrat backed McMullen.
@@philmorris1675 McMullin is a independent, are you really that shallow. We need more clear mind senators so things can get passed in this country
@@philmorris1675 The one who backed trump to overturned the will of the people?
Vote republican!!!
Pass
PS I'm old enough to remember senator Lee going tomorrow Lago for a fundraiser 3 weeks after the insurection, I wonder what he and Trump talked about during that time? just asking PS what happened to Scott Wyatt :-) he's my favorite Southern Utah Republican, damn my fat fingers I meant insurrection or violent overthrow of our constitutional democracy thank God for edit
It wasn't an insurrection you tool.
Insurrection? Lol you talk like a dummcrat Utahans are confused
lol McMullin is no independent. He’s using democrat talking points.
Why were only these candidates invited?? There are 4 candidates on the ballot. Where are the other 2? This was just a silly slapfight that went exactly how everyone expected it to go and changed nobody's mind. Having a couple more podiums might have made the candidates actually talk about policies instead of platitudes and one another.
Yes! It’s not even democrat vs republican. They used to pretend that only the two major parties get to participate. Now we have an independent and a republican in the debate, yet the other candidates still aren’t there!
@@spencerpetersen4092 McMullen is a Democrat in Independent's clothing.
@@spencerpetersen4092 The Democrats did not field a candidate. And the polls have them combining for like 97-98%, who would you suggest be on there? Green Party? There's a Libertarian but he's not even in the polls.
Because fucking Mormons ruin everything they touch.
@@spencerpetersen4092 it is democrat vs republican. But democrats realize they can’t win in Utah if they tell the truth so they had Evan McMullin run as “independent” and lie about his stances. If you look who funds him though, it’s democrats. They even didn’t put up a democrat candidate so it could be 1v1. I hope people pay attention.
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence.
Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
Precisely. He was kind of annoying in that way.
Exactly.
Goodness, could Mike Lee look more smug and annoying? Multiple times it looked like he was going to leave his podium to get in Evan's face...can't believe I used to like Senator Lee. I've seen the spins he's made over the last few years. He's made more flips than IHOP.
I’m in CA and wish Senator Lee was my senator!
Utah, please do the right thing by voting for Lee.
America 🇺🇸 First
Ew
🤡
Dear California, sorry, it's going to be a tight race. Since so many Californians have moved to Utah it's becoming a more balanced state political wise. Maybe even a purple state. No disrespect but this state needs that. McMullen is a step in the right direction. Thanks in part to the influx of Californians. God bless em.
C.I.A man as senator?
No please
Can you name the president who was head of the CIA? Hint: last name was Bush.
Mike Lee voted for Evan McMullin for president of the United States over (Captain Moroni)Trump in 2016? That alone speaks volumes for McMullin.
Lee is a bit slow on the uptake, but he tends to listen to reason in the end. I'll prefer a bumbling fool who learns, over a spy planning to backstab me from the start.
Lot of bots in this chat. You can tell easily.
Beep boop vote for the CIA deep state
@Andy Witmyer The Reps and Conservatives can't afford bots, and even if they did, big tech won't sell to them.
But yeah, in all seriousness, I'm seeing some weird comments. There are certain errors people make when they type. There are different errors people on a script (or bots on a script) make. It's hard to tell them apart by sight alone, but some things are easier to measure.
Take the like/dislike ratio, or the number of hidden comments. There's some clear favoritism going one way on the internet comments,, despite the live audience on camera definitely leaning a different direction.
Senator Mike Lee! 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
Evan... what to say... For someone supposedly so eager to not be beholden to a party, you spent an awful lot of time focusing on partisanship, and not enough time on issues. Also, what you said relating to the story about the 10-year-old girl during the abortion section was false. It sounds to me like you are parroting Democrat talking points without even doing your research. I wanted to vote independent this time, but you lost me. You have too many differences to Lee on important issues to me, and in this case I'd prefer the devil I know to the devil I don't.
In reference to your comment about the 10 year old denied her right to an abortion as a false statement, is incorrect.
July 2022, Ohio. A man was convicted of raping a 10 year old girl who was then denied an abortion due to the 6 week law forbidding any abortion in Ohio. Two suggestions, 1- do your research. 2- stop parroting the Republicans.
Simple enough?
@@omingomak That is false. There was an exception in the Ohio law for her situation. But since her family were a bunch of activists who didn't understand the law, they decided to take her out of state unnecessarily. It is you who needs to "do your research" and "stop parroting".
Better double check your "facts". The young lady might have been able to use a loop hole In the Ohio law according to AG Yost of Ohio. But at 10 years old and the fact it was a pregnancy incurred during a rape. I'll go out on a limb and guess her "Activist" parents thought best to go to Indiana instead of gambling their child's well being on a loophole.
Research it!
Quit parroting BS.
It's funny how you even justify that a 10 year old rape victim was denied an abortion. Good luck in hell buddy.
Actually already happened multiple times this year. It’s not a talking point but the reality for some poor children in this country. If you think rape of children isn’t occurring then you have your head in the sand and are not fit for any kind of office.
Wow two of my comments got deleted. Someone is pushing for McMullin
I've noticed the same.
Ditto
thank you again for making this available on youtube. I'm currently living out of the country in St Kitts nevis. I will not have the opportunity to vote this time for my Utah senator. ropolado farms has long supported the Weber county community. lifelong farmer lifelong Republican I support McMillan
Don’t worry, I’ll vote for Mike Lee for you.
You can still vote! You are able to get an absentee ballot.
Don’t worry, Mike already lost and if you ask him, he will tell you.
i dont see a McMillan on my ballot🤔
Mike Lee knows,has, and will continue to stand up for the constitution. Evan is being backed up by some of democrats money so I don’t call that running as an Independent. I was deceived once by voting for Evan, but not this time. Mike Lee all the way.
BS
Evan did, in fact, vote for Uncle Joseph and there's no defending that. If he were principled he would've voted Independent.
He was never an independent. He just knew he couldn’t win calling himself a democrat in Utah
McMullin is like most “independents,” a democrat and will caucus with them if elected. Yes Sen Lee is being overly dramatic about apologies. This is not ping pong. Quit taking up time with pretended offense.
You’re not running as an Independent.
sad reality is independents have no chance without major funding in any race. i bet if democrats nominated a candidate they would slandering evan a "spoiler" during this debate
Voting for an independent is scary. This issue is highlighted here, when, after visiting Mcmullin’s website and watching this debate, I’m still not certain how he would vote in congress on many key policies that are important to me. His answers in this debate were vague, and his policies listed on his website are even less helpful in understanding what/who he truly supports. He also totally sidestepped the question on whether he thinks the government or corporations are responsible for the unrelenting inflation. Listed as an independent, unless Mcmullin explicitly states where he stands on every major issue, I have no idea how he will actually vote on those issues in Washington. As for Lee, I can at least say with some certainty that I know where he stands on many important policies due to his party alignment and his solid policy stance in this debate, therefore I have an idea of how he will vote in congress. That’s why it will be hard to ever leave a party system in America, because Independents like Mcmullin can be such wild cards in policy; and that is scary to voters.
I won’t vote for anyone who was involved in efforts to undermine the will of the people and promote tyranny.
I just don't want another mitt Romney
Why?
Don't vote for mcmuffin then
@@kid113 You have a lot of learning to do if you ask "why".
Romney is a RINO and he's corrupt to the core.
Agreed, no more NRA boy.
@@kid113 the man is in favor of abortion. The man created socialist healthcare as a model to be used nationally. The man defiles God's name by citing him for political gain.
He's a carpet bagger who uses his name to gain favor among the LDS community. He uses that favor to vote against LDS interests in going against prophetic council to live within your means, value life, and reject socialism and communism that strips agency.
Why did the Utah democrats not run a candidate and are supporting Evan if he's a so called independent?
cause i guess they figured they had no chance with mullin running against them, so they backed him up hoping that he'd vote with them in the senate
@Andy Witmyer That's exactly what he is, a democrat in disguise.
this is something you retards need to understand, because nobody other than McMullin can beat Lee, its just a fact, if anyone beats Lee its McMullin, the dems have nobody on the ballot so obviously they are going to support the guy who has the best chance at taking down the republican because if you know anything about politics, republicans and democrats are very different, Democrats don’t support McMullin, they just would RATHER have him over Lee. I guarantee you that if there was someone listed as a democrat, no matter how small of a chance they would have, they would support the Democrat over McMullin unless McMullin was labeled as a dem. it’s common sense as to why the democratic party would support and send money to McMullin over Lee, you just need to not be retarded
Because they would RATHER Utah have a moderate conservative like McMullin then a staunch conservative like Lee. But they know a Democrat would have no chance in Utah.
Evan says he is independent yet his campaign is paid for by Democrat money. Hmm, who is he going to vote with?
Probably Republicans, he's pretty conservative
@@cavedweller333 that’s a front. Sneaky evan has lots of experience manipulating people from his time in the CIA recruiting assets in the war on terror.
Just because the Democrats support him doesn’t mean they really like him. They just would RATHER have him instead of Mike Lee since he’s more moderate.
@@ethanpetersen810 as if they want moderate... *far* from it!
I don't think he'd vote with them that much, my guess is that they knew democrats would have 0 chance if it were a 3 way race.
How creepy is Mike Lee with the stance and death stare and his crowd there are so disrespectful. He needs to GO
His level of disrespect is deep, and his fan base are equally as crude!
This goofy grin: ruclips.net/video/KDaHYZ7dBPs/видео.html
@@RubenQuinones1 Typical intimidation tactic.. It feels like I'm in 7th grade again. Use Words and ACTIONS, Mike. What a clown. Can someone name what good Mike has done for Utah?
A lot less creepy then a CIA operative that recruited terrorists through deception running for a position of public trust.
Mikes policies and votes are sound. I don't care about his social skills, or his appearance. As for the crowd? That's an honest crowd.
Doug Wright ..... Look at Me syndrome. 60 seconds to save 5 seconds. Anywho....I was neutral going into the debate. Right now it appears Mike Lee will get my vote. Not sure what Evan stands for. He sounds Iike a Democrat.
He is, check out his campaign page. CIA spook turned democrat - whoops I mean independent.
Mr. Lee continues to impress with his wealth of knowelege and fundamental fairness.
Yep, Lee is even more extreme than MAGA.
bs. he is a tea party republican, nothing more.
@Henry Same thing
Watching this debate made me realize how screwed we are and how dismal our options are looking. What a waste of time
Senator Lee reflects Utah's values and is strong conservative.
Where do these guys stand on 2A stuff? I am surprised it wasn't in the debate. Can anyone enlighten me on this one? I looked online and cant see what McMullin has to say about it.
I looked for McMullin's position on it as well, and all I came up with is that he called on Mike Lee to back the "Safer Communities Act", which had some bad provisions (e.g. funding for red flag laws which encourages violating due process). Mike Lee opposed the "Safer Communities Act" because he would not trample on rights protected by the Constitution, and for that, I applaud him. Evan McMullin's calls to support it tell me what I need to know about his stance on the Second Amendment.
As for Mike Lee, I've been very active in watching him. Pretty much every time I saw something concerning (proposed legislation or ATF's attempts to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens), he already had a message up on how he was working to fight against the government's infringement of our natural rights. I still emailed him, but it was a "Thank you for standing against this" instead of a "Please stand against this" (though I did have to send the latter to Romney so he knew the desires of his constituents). As far as all the 2A items I'd been tracking, Mike Lee never disappointed.
Personally, I see the Second Amendment as the bulwark against the march of tyranny, so a candidate's position and record on this may possibly be my primary consideration in preserving a free state wherein all good can be openly pursued. If someone is for every lawful American keeping and bearing arms without infringement, it speaks a great deal to me of their regard for freedom and their disgust for tyranny. I wouldn't say those who allow infringements are actively FOR tyranny, but rather that their considerations are substantially short-sighted, by which they're being an unwitting boon to tyrants. I, too, mourn deeply for the loss of innocent life at the hands of criminals, and I want people to develop morality again so we can see these wicked crimes end. For the sake of freedom being maintained, we must not allow our natural rights to be infringed. History has shown us what tyrants do when the people are unable to oppose them - Mao, Stalin, Hitler. Without arms, tyrants impose their will and murder tens of millions more people than the sick, evil, and (generally) lone shooters do. Remember that every law has a loaded barrel at its end to enforce it, so if you stand without arms, you will find yourself subjected to every law the power-hungry can think up. Stay armed, stay free, and (most importantly) stay good to one another.
@@theDarkKni9ht exactly!! People seem to have forgotten this. The 2nd amendment us why the US didn't go down the road of Canada or Australia during ronapocalypse.
McMullin wants to be independent and says he won't identify with either party, but if you know how senators are selected for committees, you really need to identify with a party. Elected officials of the same party vote on who will be on certain committees, after which the total senate (both parties) vote on the who will be on the committee. So...... identifying with a party is important on getting on a committee. Since democrats paid for much of McMullin's campaign, don't think they they will not very strongly encourage him to identify with them. Also - what if at election time, there are 50 Republican senators elected and 49 Democrats, and since McMullin doesn't identify with a party, then Republicans will be in the majority. Don't think Democrats will almost force him to identify with them so they have the majority.
Why does this matter? McMullin is very far right. He's less libertarian right than Lee but he's about as conservative as it gets. His background may be an interesting shake-up within Democrat dominated committees. Sure the money will push him in a certain direction but also getting votes will continue pushing him conservative because Utah is mostly conservative voters.
@@Kevin_2435 McMullin will vote and act like Romney
Lee is funded by democrats. It’s a ploy. He’s just pretending to be independent, but he’s the candidate the democrat party endorsed.
@@Kevin_2435 He could be a socialist; not saying he is, but it's possible. People always seem to confuse Libertarians and socialists, despite Libertarians being against socialism on EVERY level.
@@stephtimms1776 Is this a bad thing? I hate Romney with a passion but he hasn't done anything illegal like participating in a quo like Lee, so there's that.
Does anyone know what was shouted at 53:45?
Mike Lee scrambled some egg Mcmuffin and had it for dinner
Was this supposed to be a dig aimed at McMullin? if so it failed sufficiently. I’d like to see your actual criticisms of his policies not just cheap name calling.
@suzy do you really expect anything less? Name calling and finger pointing is what the GOP has morphed into since they became beholden to their god, trump
@@cowsapphic it’s impossible to know McMuffins policies. He intentionally isn’t clear on them so he can attract centrist voters when in reality he is a Democrat in centrist clothing
@@cowsapphic His jokes was hilarious!!
@@utahedc447 Did you watch the same debate I did? He was clear on every issue. He even went as far as to say he’s Pro-life, he just believes (rightfully) that there are exceptions.
thx 😊
Voting Mike lee, there’s no other REAL choice
He is a massive hypocrite who claims the national debt is a major issue, but was a rubber stamp for trump's reckless spending.
Yep. He's MAGA, McMullin is establishment. That's more than enough for me.
@@LivingCrusader MAGA has become the party of Traitors. Lee hasn't done much for all Utahns. I can't in good conscience vote for the right wing zealot.
@@JohnHancock.1776 I don't want unity in Washington. I want child mutilation banned. If you want to work with moderate Democrats that are willing to ban "gender affirmation" surgeries, fine. But I'm not interested in working with proponents of that.
@@owlblocksdavid4955 I believe in what the Constitution say, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. So this is not about what you want for others, is about being inclusive, nobody should be out of any possibility to pursuit their own happiness”.
civil exchange of incivilities is all you can expect from the Heritage Foundation stooge
Lee’s comment’s tonight go against the way he has acted and voted for the last 6 years
@CindyAdams Please provide specifics, he has seemed consistent to me.
Lovin' the specifics offered here....NOT.
That’s what all politicians do regardless of Party... But this was very clear - Which One Stands for the People & Which One Works for the Money To Be Bossed ...
Joe Biden nor Donald Trump are the Leaders
The Underworld are The Deceivers
After watching all the Debates - this one was clear, as to Who will Lead rather then Be LED
@R S And you still believe Trump won
Fact time:
Continuing Appropriations and Ukraine supplemental appropriations Act, 2023
Lee did not vote.
Inflation reduction act, 2022.
Lee voted no.
Honoring our pact act 2022 (expanding help for our vets)
Lee voted no.
Supreme court security funding act. 2022 (CHIPS and Science act of 2022) this was in acted to invest in computer chip manufacturing and development in the US.
Lee voted no.
Bipartisan safer communities act. 2022.
Lee voted no.
The list is long but its glaring in the sense lee only votes the party line.
Sorry but that's a boot licker move on his part.
Anyone else notice how they never actually answer the questions given. Just kind of talk around them until you forget what the questions was?
Yes. I noticed this from both politicians. Both of them talk loud, but, say nothing.
Mike Lee theatrics....always moving his pen and yellow pad, pointing to the moderator almost every time Evan spoke trying to draw attention away from his opponent, drinking water in a dramatic fashion and leaning away from his podium moving his shoulders square to Evan. And that smirk. Why won't he address his tweets?? #trump101BS
xD
No point in addressing tweets until Elon has finished kicking out the bots. Wait - even then, twitter would still be a waste of time.
He said Republican Incompetent
Please Fact Check this .. think
The lighting and setup is horrible. Horrible audio, horrible camera rotation.
oh henlo, mike lee. the stock market is too ify thru the years to play w ss money.
Nobody cares about Jan 6
Evan McMullin for Utah!!!
Mullin is Biden's candidate. What more do You need to know?
Pretty disappointed I voted for Mullin in the past.. He's nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothing. If you're a Democrat, run as one! No wonder why he's best buds with Romney. #Disappointments
Can't believe I did the same...
I will never regret my vote for this honest gentleman.
we have some what of a chance to have a seat filled by anything but an R and you're gonna turn your nose up on it?
@@stephenpetersen354 you’d vote for a CIA war on terror candidate just to spite republicans? Democrats have fallen far.
@@royrogers3133 who says I'm a Democrat
This 'moderator' needs to chill and quit crying because people make a noise. Give him a chilled prune juice and Xanax..
Utah needs the great salt lake in order to get more snow pack. Lake affect!
McMuffins is really hung up on election stuff and Jan6. Like that is his only firm stance on anything.
As he should be, trying to overthrow the government is pretty major
@@cavedweller333 ahhh lets never forget the May 29 2020 insurrection. It was a day that should never be forgotten. It will live in the history books forever as the day our capitol was on fire and so many people were injured and lost lives. Never forget.
@@cavedweller333 Tried? You don't know what trying looks like. When Trump tries to do things, it ain't subtle, and it doesn't happen off camera. If anything, Trump defused the situation.
No, things are going to happen - and I quote - "Legally. It has to be legal."
Eww Mike Lee
I agree with McMullin here. The blame game Us vs. Them politics is trash and is destroying the country. Lee is a rubber stamp sticking to the Red play book.
He took 1.5 million from the left, he’s no independent.
Mike Lee opposed a ton of Donald Trump’s bills. Lee didn’t exactly like Trump at first but worked with him to get things done. The problem is McMullin will always go against the populist group by the way he talks down about them which isn’t very helpful or supportive to what he states he’ll bring to the table. McMullin is all talk hoping people in Utah are stupid enough to believe him. I’m surprised so many are.
Funny thing is; that "Red play book" had me in a position to retire. Obeden's play book has gutted my sizeable retirement savings by close to 1/3. I guess I'll be working well into my 70's now.
@@old-patriot4509 I hear that a lot. In my experience due to Trumps" tax breaks" , I actually owed taxes at the end of the year for the first time in my life.
As soon as Mike Lee mentioned Milton Friedman, I was clapping for joy. I know exactly what Mike Lee will do and I agree wholeheartedly. Senator Lee has not only backed up his words; his records show that he has IN FACT signed many bills into law. You guys in Utah are lucky to have him.😔
Lee: this is exactly what I think about this subject and this is some legislation that I think we need.
McMullen: Lee is bad, vote for me.
This seems more like a primary debate
Vote for Lee!
Abortion is not a matter for the Supreme Court but for the people of each State to decide how to go forward in regards to abortion
Abortion is about to be legal across all 50 states, but we will never forget the names and faces of those, like you, who voted to rip ten year old girls apart by forcing them, A CHILD, to have a CHILD. You will 100% be judged by god for your satanic, evil ways.
We need a National ban on abortion, especially late term abortion where extremist Democrats support abortions right before the time of birth.
Utah Senate Debate Summary:
I believe the election was real more than you do.
I love 3rd world immigration and oppose deportations more than you do.
I am more reasonable on abortion than you.
“I am more concerned about looking good than actually being good”-more than you.
The audience AGREED not to applaud.
He’s a democrat no doubt acting like an independent.
Evan is the BEST!!!!!
And acting poorly at that. He voted for Biden. He is supported by Democrats as their last gasp effort to overturn this Senatorial seat. He's a Democrat charading as an independent.
@@edwardquisenberry9429 ...Thats ok....A Dem or an Independent is better than a Repub any day of the week.
@@matthewpotts167 That's not true. Unless you are loving this record high inflation, growing crime problems throughout the nation, record high energy prices and a dangerously depleted strategic oil reserve, and open border that ushers in Fentanyl that is killing thousands, human trafficking, inhumane deaths of migrants, and large numbers of gotaways... unknown numbers of criminals and terrorists. So no thanks, I will continue to urge sound thinking, country loving people to reject Biden-Harris and the Democratic party, even those who masquerade as an independent.
@@edwardquisenberry9429 ....No sir.....I'm happy that we got rid of the Insurrectionist running around Washington....that's what Im happy about.
Which one is mormon? Cuz I’ll vote for the opposite
If you're new to Utah, please consider the kind of voting that shaped it into the wonderful environment that enticed you here. Please don't mar Utah with imported ideas that run contrary to what made this state somewhere you wanted to be.
I agree you probably shouldn't clap or cheer during the debate, but he didn't need to waste more time telling them to stop, just tell the audience to not do that and then end it there, and it was pretty dumb to stop them from clapping at the end, it's over so they arn't interrupting anything or anyone
No matter what the moderator did to manage this debate, he couldn’t make everybody happy
Make our military great again 🇺🇸
Lol the last thing we need is more military spending while the country is over 30 trillion in debt(a huge chunk of that is thanks to Lee being a rubber stamp during the trump administration for trump's reckless spending)
@@bosmith1820 take a look at his voting record. While McConnell and other senate republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling multiple times during Trumps time in office, both Lee and Romney were a no go for all those times.
@@mckinlysnyder7035 The topic was military spending which Lee voted to support. We don't need more military spending. You can't say you are anti-war and want a bigger military. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics all saw their stocks skyrocket because of trump's increased military spending.
Mile Lee took a call on 1/6 supposedly for Tuberville from Giuliani that in itself stinks
1/6 was a riot. We had them all summer. It only stinks to democrats. Independents and republicans don’t smell anything and are bothered you keep bringing it up.
Prettt gross to put ads on a video like this. And It’s shameful that these debates aren’t on public TV
Who watches public tv? RUclips is more accessible to most people IMO
Mike Lee is the best choice! We love mike!!
No he is not. Another right winged 🤡
They’re really honestly not that different in terms of policy. I like Lee better because of how intelligent he is when it comes to the constitution but either one would represent Utah well
But can you trust that McMullin is honest about what he says? He’s funded by the democrat party. Why would he be if he was conservative?
You might want to check McMuffin's campaign page. The front page. The part where he advertises being a CIA spook who ran independent instead of democrat at the advice of democrats. Do not take a single thing that guy says at face value.
McMullin and Romney would make an excellent ticket for the RINO party in 2024. I am so disappointed in Romney. Regret I voted for him.
romney traitor.
Can't wait to vote out Pierre Delecto.
Cox as Secretary.
Romney can kiss my ass. Not welcome in Southern Utah.
Mike Lee says we need to reduce spending but he wants to go hog wild buying ICBMs and Aircraft carriers. Yea... he wants to reduce spending on people and groups that do not fund his campaign.
Are you a Chinese or Russian influencer?
YES. Sen Lee never fights the system. Now he acts like a champion and fights MAGA policies just like Mitch and other RINOS do
It’s sad that Mike Lee isn’t sleeping on an air mattress each night. Maybe he would have more compassion.
@@davpal6067 Watch your mouth. I'm Chinese and American born. I should not have to tell you that racism is what is hurting the right wing extremists groups. Refer to the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys still in prison for attacking our state Capitol over Trump's Big Lie. Those are the Traitors we need to contain.
Having enough weapons to dissuade war is cheaper than fighting a war. Look at Ukraine. We could have stopped that for a fraction of the cost by upholding our promise to the Ukrainians to protect them in exchange for them denuclearizing them. Instead, we egged on Russia by raising oil prices, and promising NOT to defend Ukraine. Russia took the bait, and is being played. The military industrial complex makes trillions, the US spends billions, meanwhile the global logistics of fertilizer and electronics is put at risk.
Yeah. ICBMs and Aircraft carriers are the CHEAPER alternative. And that's for a small war - what we need to dissuade is a world war.
Also, McMullin was petty and smug. Lee carried himself well.
Lee carried himself like a little brat.
@@ZZZXYZ And Lee was doing the smirking. Republicans are only good for one thing. Projecting. Oh wait, two things. Lying to their constituents.
lee looked and acted like a rat throughout this entire debate
if you think mcmullin was petty and smug it is because you can't see what either candidate is saying at face value. Your perception of both candidates was already decided, and so you view one as a success and the other as a failure
@@BrettWoodPiano I can see that one was acting/manipulating and the other was sincere. One was speaking to your emotions the other was speaking to logic and reason. McMullin is a CIA trained liar. He recruited people from extremist groups in the Middle East to work for him. He’s a democrat running as an independent. Dishonest AF! He’s changed his stance on multiple issues to virtue signal to his supporters. I’ve had years to observe Mike Lees actions. He’s consistent. Evan is a HUGE gamble for anyone voting for him. I’ll stick with the person who I know and who does a great job in his position.
I really think McMullen is lost in this idea that you can reach across the isle for common ground. That can't happen when democrats have their focus on social issues all while we are in position of fiscal collapse. Federal, state and personal finances are in limbo. Will social issue matter in a collapse? I argue no!
😂 dems have control of the house and senate and the White House dems made inflation worse not republicans
...and the important thing to remember here is that Egg McMuffin was (still is) a democrat.
@@old-patriot4509 another Mark Kelly 2.0 rubber stamp for Biden and Chucks radical policy’s
Republicans caused inflation due to their recession in 2020.
@@aln5832 that’s the dems buddy keep voting democrat how you like those high gas prices and inflation you must not have a job lol 😂
@@bigtimejames8641 More so than I liked that Republican induced pandemic Recession in 2020. 🤣
Evan McMullin was hard to follow. He accused Mike Lee of rhetoric but it his answers that were way too broad to understand. Mike Lee actually made everything more easily understood, even Evan's comments.
😂mcmullin sounds like a Mark Kelly 2.0 another rubber stamp for Biden and Schumer radical policy’s 😂
Lee dishonestly oversimplifies issues leaving out key details in the process
@@Kas25 Has McMullin decided where he stands on any issues? Or is he going to play independent and go with the establishment but say he’s just middle ground.
@@justsomelovelylady did u not watch the debate? he explained where he stood and even agreed on alot of the same issues as lee but took time to also expose how radical lee is
Lee showed you his EXTREMISM
I thought Lee believed in term limits? shouldn't he step down and endorse a suitable Republican rather than "risking" losing the seat to an Independent?
With %70 of the vote every single election going to Lee the argument is that him giving up the seat would be in Democrats favor. He is the most popular Senator among his constituents in the Senate. I know you'll be surprised to hear that being that the press is in the bag for Democrats.
I agree he should call it quits but not until he can endorse a constitutionalist like himself. We are in a constitutional crisis. It would do us no favors to give up one of the 3 good senators without a decent replacement.
@@ILikeFreedomYo as someone in the state I am not surprised. Why does everyone absolutely insist on talking down to people like they are idiots?
@@stephenpetersen354 why does everyone on the internet take offense where there is no intent? I was responding to your claim that he's unpopular and risking the election. Many people don't talk to friends about politics or research politics to gain perspective of incumbent popularity. That doesn't make them idiots. So you do. Good on you. I figured you had not since you're considering it a risky election cycle for him.
@@ILikeFreedomYo you 100% missed the point of the comment while asserting that I'm obviously to the fact the gap between the two is much larger than some like to think. Mike Lee has hammered the concept of term limits. Now that the concept would apply to him he discards the idea because he claims we are in crisis. I thought our liberties and principles aren't to discarded in time of crisis. My concept was an idea for him to help repair the damage of 1/6 while avoiding the catastrophe that would occur an R wasn't in the seat. It was to point out that his manufactured crisis is completely avoidable if he held to his claimed principles.
@@stephenpetersen354 the crisis is legitimate and it's my argument not necessarily Lee's. Lee's participation on 1/6 is propaganda. Take a legitimate dive into the claims being made.
It is the progressive takeover of law through the "experts"
It's the transparent goal of the progressives to remove checks and balances in favor of an expert class of oligarchs. It's historically been announced through people like Wilson, Roosevelt, LBJ and the like. COVID made it undeniably transparent that Fauci has more powers then any of our elected officials. The Trump trials are showing us that the FBI has more power than the president.
All these bureaucracies have been subverting our republic for a century now.
One Senator giving up one seat on principal in this crisis would end in trillions more in debt and who knows what other insane ideologies cramming down. We've lost rule of law. We've lost our dollar. We've lost our daily rights. Our government now believes men can get pregnant.
If this isn't crisis then what is?
It's all bigger than Lee and giving up that seat gets us further from term limits not closer. Pro choice Republicans aren't endorsable and don't stand on principal let alone become worthy of the Lee's seat.
UTA debate audience! Please follow the debate rules!!!! Or else, you are going to go down in history as the most violators of debate rules!!!!
The moderator is a sulking old grouch. Any debate with an audience will have natural reactions. A GOOD moderator should be able to moderator audience response, rather than chastise them and expect absolute silence.
Either have an empty room debate or acknowledge human responses will occur with audiences present.
Yes, Karen.
If Audiences cannot respond or clap, then don’t have them. WHAT is everyone afraid of? Why do we treat men running for high office like gentle cream puffs? We need old fashioned, intellectual, real debates without these rules to keep either one from going very deep on anything!
Evan dropped the 🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤 on lee
Omg.
I couldn't give fewer craps about the Jan 6 stuff at this point.
Wow... Really?
Didn't Mike Lee say he wasn't going to run for a 3rd term in his initial run?
Wo unto the liar ... you know the rest.
Eh, the other primary candidates weren’t very good.
If you make a prediction as to future action based on present circumstance, in good faith, then find that circumstances change, then you are not a liar if you honestly change your actions.
Parents deal with this nonsense all the time. "But you promised!", "You lied!", constant nonsense. How much sense does it make to enslave yourself to things said years ago based on assumptions that were proven false?