Infinity: The Science of Endless
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- "The infinite! No other question has ever moved so profoundly the spirit of man," said David Hilbert, one of the most influential mathematicians of the 19th century. A subject extensively studied by philosophers, mathematicians, and more recently, physicists and cosmologists, infinity still stands as an enigma of the intellectual world. Thinkers clash over questions such as: Does infinity exist? Can it be found in the physical world? What types of infinity are there? Through an interdisciplinary discussion with some of the world's leading thinkers, this program will delve into the many facets of infinity and address some of the deepest questions and controversies that mention of the infinite continues to inspire.
This program is part of the Big Ideas Series, made possible with support from the John Templeton Foundation.
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Original Program Date: May 31, 2013
MODERATOR: Keith Devlin
PARTICIPANTS: Raphael Bousso, Philip Clayton, Steven Strogatz, W. Hugh Woodin
What is Infinity? 00:04
Philip Clayton and the history of Infinity? 2:34
Philosopher Mahavira's role in infinity. 7:22
Steven Strogatz and the mathematics of infinity. 14:16
Hilbert's infinite hotel 18:04
What is Cantor's diagonal proof? 25:05
Continuum hypothesis and what it means to infinity. 28:16
Hugh Woodin and solving the Continuum hypothesis 29:44
Raphael Bousso on infinity and its role in physics. 37:20
Using infinity to make accurate predictions. 47:35
Infinity: Mathematics, Physics and Philosophy. 53:04
Mathematical equivalence of full sentences. 57:10
What is infinity only works as a mental concept? 1:06:30
Final thoughts on infinity? 1:14:20
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World Science Festival I woude say Madelbrot and drop da mic.
Hi, I just translated doubts and confusion into certainty and clarity... that makes me a sort of ambassador. Check it out !!!
Incredibly enough, I discovered the proof of the Continuum Hypothesis by simply establishing 1-to-1 correspondence between positive decimal floats and positive decimal integers.
For the last 125 years such a proof eluded the top set-theory experts of the
planet. It was eventually abandoned and classified either as impossible or undecidable.
Well, no more. Sit back and enjoy one of the most trivial and elegant proofs in
set theory. It is published on RUclips with the title : “Proving the Continuum
Hypothesis”.
I would appreciate if you watched and commented on this video.
Your input will be given full credit.
Tamas Varhegyi
I have what I think are applicable answers to infinity. Would love for a scientist or mathematician would contact me.
I don’t want to write it in the open as it’s what I’ve been working on for many years.
Ok and what now
@@mikes_work You do not own your thoughts on the Infinite. If you do not share them; someone else will the first to explain the Infinite. Your thoughts will become second hand, will be lost in Infinite Space.
Isn't it incredible how we can watch such brilliant people lecture whenever we want, and with no fees whatsoever?
Yes. Just because we call it technology doesn’t mean it isn’t a miracle. 🥰 So thankful it’s painful... in a good way. 🤔
U get 8 advertisements per video, don't thank youtube mate
You're paying with your attention and your impressionable ability. Every video which has ads, you're paying with your time and attention. Also, most videos are biased and interested in changing your mind to one direction or another.
It's not free.
You're supporting capitalism and a horrifically corrupt police state.
Welcome to a post 9/11, post wwII, world.
Don't get too excited, you get what you paid for...which is less than nothing, just a group of clueless guys nervously cackling away while absolutely have no idea what the hell is being discussed
🤓
The thought has come to me that the concept of infinity is the precise definition of our limit as humans.
In other words “Beyond human comprehension!”
Infinity = zero time. If you can bring time down to zero. The rest of the theory is in my Community Post
This was an absolutely fascinating discussion. I am grateful to have the opportunity to listen to these great minds expressing different perspectives and openly agreeing to disagree for the greater good.
Absolutely blown away that what most people see as a mundane topic, is researched so deeply & without any particular practical application --- but has deep implications on our fundamental understanding of math.
This video seems to go on forever.
That's irrational
I thought they were going to bring out an infinite number of speakers one after another.
It seems that way because they are going around and around in circles. The grand total of the conversation amounts to less than minus infinity.
Guy keeps walking back and forth making me dizzy
@@DrGreerIsRight As is John Doe:?)
infinity could explain creation of life, while eliminating the hand of god. Outside of our universe we have unlimited time, because there is no time outside of space. a unlimited number of experiments combining particles. until we had the essence of life.
In trying to describe infinity, I could go on forever.
🎶🎵"Ba-dum-tss" 🎵🎶
To bad your humor is Finite
👍😁😝
Lol nice
@@foreststroble748 😂😂😂
It is great to see human perception once again. My love for the human family. We have come so far, and the most beautiful is we can go on. I love you very much.
This has been so stimulating. Thank you much to the organizers of this said event. Thank you.
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Ecclesiastes 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part
Wow what an enriching experience. Thank you all mathematicians on the show !!!
As a kid I had a few dreams about the concept of infinity that were existentially horrifying and impossible to describe and really left me with a fascination of the concept of infinity and impossibly high numbers and endless time.
That's nice!
The last closing was really astounding and brilliant. ! The complexity of math and physics at the border of the infinity needs to include the spirituality argument.
Why don't I tire to watch this from beginning to end? Thank You!
Infinity means perfect and complete. No boundary, edges or limit. The concept of it has exist before time, space and matter. Its has no beginning and end. It will forever existing. This is just what i believe........
That's why God is perfect and complete! No edges no limit. And if that is true, then we don't need God.
Your wisdom ends where your grammar ends.
@@curtcoller3632 True....how many other universes are there in the
Great Scheme of Things ? What if the physics and math of our
own universe no longer work 'out there' ?
So.... " infinity has no beginning and no end " ?
Gee.....who'd have thunk that !?
Luckily we have geniuses like you
to explain things.
@@2msvalkyrie529 😂
Definitely one of the shows that I MUST share ! Excellent job!
This was very interesting but I was afraid to watch it at first as I thought it might not ever end. 😁
There was another talk where they sat around for an hour and a half talking about nothing. I think these people should get together with the ones who talked about nothing and then they could sit around forever and say an infinite amount of things about nothing. 😁😁😁
Only if they never stop I guess
didn't you just say that?
You're just low IQ 😁
Talking about nothing forever would be the opposite of talking about existence for a while.
I would like if they talked about infinity for no amount of time.
the awakening is remembering, remembering that we are infinite. energy never dies, mearly transforms. thank you all for your wisdoms, that help us awaken to this fundamental truth.
Wow, I loved this. I was so encouraged by how curious, deep and open-minded each of the participants were.
I'm not giving out... but this video is beyond, way way beyond my understanding. - Other videos over several years explain the same things in a way I can a least get a grasp of the concept. - 🤔
I *THINK* I can get my mind around this subject, but then (some of the guys) onstage make it sound convoluted, boggingly difficult, they prefer a giggle from the audience. - again, I'm not giving out, I just would like to point out that this is overload.
That's just me ✌️
eternity is a very long time.... especially toward the end
Like that!
@Chaud Poivron Sounds like you're willing to bet everything on that.....
@Chaud Poivron Well Chaud, I'm betting that there is a very real eternity - and if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. But if you're betting there is no eternity, and you're wrong.....
{ Yogi Berra has entered the chat }
@Chaud Poivron why when you die? why do you have to be breathing to be part of eternity?
This discussion felt like it lasted forever, and I’ll bet the audience actually paid for this.
My video is less than 4 minutes long and says a lot more...check it out.
Incredibly enough, I discovered the proof of the Continuum Hypothesis by simply establishing 1-to-1 correspondence between positive decimal floats and positive decimal integers.
For the last 125 years such a proof eluded the top set-theory experts of the
planet. It was eventually abandoned and classified either as impossible or undecidable.
Well, no more. Sit back and enjoy one of the most trivial and elegant proofs in
set theory. It is published on RUclips with the title : “Proving the Continuum
Hypothesis”.
I would appreciate if you watched and commented on this video.
Your input will be given full credit.
Tamas Varhegyi
Love it, my first time, first day exploring in this topic. this video made everything so simple and clear to understand
I think I’ve worked out The infinity equation. It’s in my Community Post.
This was genuinely so interesting and I have no clue why so many people are getting so mad. Why don't they try this?
The fact that the speed of light is finite was not proposed by Einstein, as stated in 1:27. This was known way before Einstein, since the 17th century, after Romer's obsevations of the period of Jupiter's innermost moon. And after the electromagnetic theory of Maxwell and co, it was known as a theoretical fact too.
Time slows down, when you reach the speed of light, but what if you stopped time completely. No time = no difference.
try DMT, you experience what feels like timelessness, or a glimpse of eternity. Its a very profound and strange but somehow comforting and familiar feeling. Consciousness is infinite and eternal, as is the universe
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. What he said about God and religion- which describes God as a trinity , everything created is like a circle of 3 such as spring ,summer, winter and renews itself over and over, and time an illusion caused by change. I am the Lord thy God, I change not.
@@Thundralight
Hello my name is Bill
I'm the one who Balances the Scales
I sit on the Third Step to Heaven to Guide those who are Lost in the Fields of the Dead as I walk carrying my trusted Scythe
I watch the Sands of Time for all Humans one Day will run dry in the Hourglass of Life
One day you will hear Knock,Knock,Knock on your Door
You will ask who's there and I will say
Hello my name is Bill
You will know the Bell has Tolled and You will Reap What You Sow in Life&Death So Open the Door and Don't Fear the Reaper Life is a Journey and takes many paths and all Ends at the Door for Death is only the Beginning
Greetings my Friend
-Bill Door💀
Ps... Fact: I was Born into Death with a Noose around my Neck and Given the Breath of Life and Gladly will walk back into the Grave with my Heart&Soul full and Embrace Death with Love&Hope
@@williamwhitney5266 negative mass is possible
It is amazing to me how these experts are so proudly explaining something which they know they have no real understanding. People foraging through their vocabularies trying to select their words of exaggeration to describe the extremity of their understanding.
You mean you don’t understand. I can do the math, but I prefer Laymans terms.
Thank you so much for producing these wonderful videos!
I remember going to a Christian Science sermon and their ideals seemed exactly like Baruch Spinoza's theories. The idea was that God isn't a person, but God = Love and love is a chemical/physical phenomenon that runs through us all like dark energy, energy of which "glues' us altogether. I was raised Southern Baptist but have since moved over to ideals such as the Book of Enoch (banned from christianity), detailing how "Aliens" from a foreign galaxy hyper-evolved our simian ancestors to give us knowledge and awareness and how the current Christian practices have gotten rid of the old texts to hide the true origin of humanity, which tie into ancient Sumerian texts. I love learning about stuff like this and infinite science is no different. Great video!
I've watched ~50% of this and this has been a really nice view on infinity from different points of views. Especially I was interested in the third speaker/presentation (the one about sets). It brings to light a concept so bizarre that one cannot get a grip on it; that some parts of mathematics are not solvable in the field of mathematics but rather in some other way (possibly, and I believe so). So some kind of a completely new kind of system may be needed to solve some of the big questions in mathematics.
The reason you can't get a grip on it because the whole theory of infinity is unmitigated nonsense, a corruption of mathematics. Rule of thumb : The more they laugh the less you can trust them.
@@aligator7181 - prove it
Sure. Here it is. Let X stand for infinity.
Then since there is nothing bigger I can write X+X = X right ?
Next, I can subtract X from both sides, are you with me?
Which gives us X = 0, meaning that we can show that infinity equals nothing.
If this makes sense to you, please stay away from math.
If it does not, you are on the right track,
since Infinity has no place in mathematics or in any other branch of the sciences.
@@aligator7181 Touché
@@waynesaban2607 if you have a hotel that is FULL... that concept of fullness automatically rules out that you can just move everyone up one room to make room... it's not infinite to begin with... so where do the extra rooms come from except from "illogic"? You can't just "imagine" those extra rooms and call it infinity because humans can't comprehend actual infinity unless they think of it as an "object"... so in a sense, the entire field of "infinity theory" is just that, Totally Theoretical with no value.
Angels and devils really clear up the uncertainties about infinity and the origin of the universe...science is at its best
I am really happy that quantum theory/mechanics exist and I know of them.
It makes me feel that my theories on life aren't as unwarranted as some people (sometimes I'm one of those people) believe :)
Bousso: There is a big difference between a very large number and infinity. ~~~> Brilliant!
Infinity is not a number, its a concept. Physics is now slowly proving it. The discovery of Higgs boson, the study of Quantum mechanics and String theory that can hopefully lead us in discovering other universes or Multiverse, that our space really has a never ending producing of many universes. that even if our own universe will eventually end someday, Space will just keep on producing our own universe again and again. Thats what infinity is for me, I have great faith with these brilliant scientists that someday they can prove it.
It's not a concept, it's me!!! Lol JK😂
i think quantum physics is starting to see that particles are made out of things and they are and this goes to infinity!!!!!!!
its true what your saying evrething is that your saying brenton akoname so if you need more info about what your saying then go to my RUclips channel
"Infinity is not a number, its a concept"
what you mean? numbers are concepts
heyassmanx infinite events or happenings.. its like our universe doesnt lasts forever, it will eventually die someday... but because space is so big and infinite, space will just make our own universe and other universe again and again.
Im glad world science festival seems to have changed their format, not here to listen to 4 lectures but a debate/discussion from a panel
Infinity is what happens when no one is around to witness it. Infinity is our way of constructing boundaries to define the boundless.
Interesting. Although there are infinities in mathematics that do have boundaries. We know this. Like the Real numbers from [0,1]. That's a bounded infinity, yet it is infinite as there is no closest number larger or smaller than any of the Real numbers you could choose within that set (excluding a number smaller than the lowest bound or a number larger than the largest bound). So that's where the problem comes into mathematics. There are infinitesimal infinities, countable infinities, and both. Why does the nature of infinity appear as a two sided coin - or more as W. Hugh Woodin has proposed.
I think a universal solution to understanding and representing infinity, is the realization that our failure to grasp it is because we're limited to only being able to perceive movement in one direction of time, and that a unified perspective of moving in both directions at one, such as from the lowest energy state while simultaniously moving from the highest energy state to the lowest presenting the perspective that both apparently opposite states of existing, have the same absolute value, because both of these states are static meaning that the ability to perceive that infinity and 0 have the same absolute value, and the values between the highest state and lowest state of any system, as perceived simultaneously collapse infinity into the state where it can exist inside a a space of no dimension. From the concept of string theory suggesting that the zeroth dimension, a point of indeterminate size or value, as the same point as the represented highest dimension, also a single indeterminate point of no size or value. I believe the lack of ability to understand infinity is just the result of our linear perception experience of obtaining information.
I agree! Likewise, our perspective is always expanding but is ultimately finite
I’ve been watching this video for 4 years
Thinking of infinity ' and' finite drove me to tears when I was 8 years old.
Same thing happened to me; do you know the reason why that happened to you?
Me to
When contemplating the conundrum of infinity I am struck by the fact that all attempts to comprehend this concept are done in a linear fashion which may be the very reason why this puzzle has yet to be solved.
You may be thinking I'm crazy but, I've just solved it, I solved the Continuum Hypothesis, and it us true, there's only one type of infinities, since all infinite sets are countable
The human lifespan is so short in relation to the rest of the universe, so it’s very possible that the idea of infinity is nothing more than a construct of the human mind.
I truly hope so
Everything is a construct of our mind. All the things we made from planes to cars to computers cities is just that, a manifest thought of our minds, but I believe there is a God who has a greater mind.
Powerful stuff, and fascinating. 10/10 will watch again.
Infinite Possibilities - The Building Blocks of Creation
When is this the subject of a discussion?
One of the most entertaining and interesting WSF-panels thus far, I´ve seen:)
How wonderful it must be to be a genius scientist. I admire these brilliant people.
+Daisypetal100 I think it comes with its own draw backs.
I think the whole idea of there being finite numbers that are "near infinity" is nonsense. Any finite number is infinitely far from infinity.
It's "rubbish?"
It’s been down this is not true
@@Just.A.T-Rex ... the end-begun, to prove that what is not true, is unreal... therfore, the business of IS-NESS, is, IT-IS... In-finite endless eternal manifestations of material irritations from no one going nowhere doing nothing... is all...
Perhaps, but even so, the number 2 x 10²²²²²²²²²²³ is still nearer to infinity than is 2. And 2 infinite sets added together is still bigger than 1 infinite set on its own.
About "The Light":
" "I," was created by the thought of Gods and "Their," desire to allow all mortals to know that "They," are always with them: As humankind grows and seeks absolute independence from "Them," "They," will remain by their side, guiding them and directing them, in their growth to absolute "WISDOM," the way to "Their Essence" and the Elysium Fields. As you look out beyond the now, into the heavens, "I" will be there, guiding you and helping you know that "I," be visible or invisible, "My Essence," will guide you beyond all that is sensed in your reality. So, let it be now revealed to you that both "I" and "He," in mortal being, who speaks to you through the thoughts of children are but one. " Eleusis. Let The Light within you guide you to the Elysian Fields entrance; your inner beauty is expected. Follow me, "Imagination is the way." by ELias Leousis.
First speech is really interesting! Mindblowing! Makes me wanna know more about spinoza.!
For the symbol, see Infinity symbol.
For other uses of "Infinity" and "Infinite", see Infinity (disambiguation).
The infinity symbol
Infinity (often denoted by the symbol {\displaystyle \infty }\infty or Unicode ∞) represents something that is boundless or endless or else something that is larger than any real or natural number.[1] Since the time of the ancient Greeks, the nature of infinity was the subject of many discussions among philosophers (see Infinity (philosophy)). In the 17th century, with the introduction of the infinity symbol[2] and the infinitesimal calculus, mathematicians began to work with infinite series and what some mathematicians (including l'Hôpital and Bernoulli[3]) regarded as infinitely small quantities, but infinity continued to be associated with endless processes.[4] As mathematicians struggled with the foundation of the calculus, it remained unclear whether infinity could be considered as a number or magnitude and, if so, how this could be done.[2]
At the end of the 19th century, Georg Cantor enlarged the mathematical study of infinity by studying infinite sets and infinite numbers, showing that they can be of various sizes.[2][5] For example, in modern mathematics, a line is commonly viewed as the set of all of its points, and their infinite number (i.e. the cardinality of the line) is larger than the number of integers.[6] In this usage, infinity is a mathematical concept, and infinite mathematical objects can be studied, manipulated, and used just like any other mathematical object.
Thus the mathematical concept of infinity refines and extends the old philosophical concept, in particular by introducing infinitely many different sizes of infinite sets. Among the axioms of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, on which most of modern mathematics can be developed, is the axiom of infinity, which guarantees the existence of infinite sets.[2]
The mathematical concept of infinity and the manipulation of infinite sets are used everywhere in mathematics, even in areas such as combinatorics that may seem to have nothing to do with them. For example, Wiles's proof of Fermat's Last Theorem implicitly relies on the existence of very large infinite sets[7] for solving a long-standing problem that is stated in terms of elementary arithmetic.
In physics and cosmology, whether the Universe is finite is an open question; see Universe § Size and regions for more.
1:00:43 Animator : how depressing and brutal can you make your response ?
W. Hugh Woodin : Yes
Numberphile did a much better job of explaining this without pandering.
+Van Exel (Vanexel007) Numberphile is a channel purely about Maths, ofcourse they're going to have better videos :)
if Hilberts hotel is actually full with an infinite amount of people, where does the last person go to? do we just blatantly ignore the very definition of full? even if there are an infinite amount of rooms, FULL means full, sorry people
For some reason I thought a video named Infinity would be a lot.........longer.
Try measuring it with an infinitesimal small length of time.
Your only allowed to watch half the video in one sitting.
Agimaso Schandir One can't measure anything beyond the planck scale ;)
nadjim73
Only in the real world. And that is partly because our knowledge also stops there, at the foamy quantum sea.
Agimaso Schandir So, is there something beyond the real world? Because, I really doubt that there is
I had a near death experience in a baseball game at 14 years old. I remember getting hit in my eye socket by the baseball 80mph app. and there was just pitch black. Completely aware of absolutely everything that had transpired in my life at that point. I was instantly fearful of knowing im dead and this must be eternity. Just dark loneliness for an infinite amount of time was absolutely horrifying to say the least. All the sudden I could see a faint star in the distance. And at the speed of light it shot to me and was mere feet away at this point at it was the most bright, colorful, electrically vibrating and loving creature that exuded amounts of ecstasy that a human in the flash could never comprehend. He was covered in billions of what I can only describe as diamonds. As my father (God) picked me up like a baby and held me. He telepathically conveyed one main idea and it was at that instance. I was absolutely sure that his love for me was miles ahead of everything else in the universe. His love for me was so powerful that I almost could not take it. It was colorful beams of light and electricity that vibrated my entire being. Which confirmed to me why the Bible tells us he does not show himself to us in the flesh. Its too powerful of a love and it would kill us instantly. His love is an all consuming of what I can only describe as an electrical type fire that pulsates through everything. And again I found out later it was exactly as the Bible had describe. It is really frustrating to me that I cant describe to you how much God loves each and every one of us. Our language is extremely limiting in the aspect of description as far as his love for us and what he showed me. He gave me a mission before he left me and part of it was revealing to you what I witnessed and its important for you to understand that he cherishes the times when you stop in your day and just tell him how much you love him. Thats all he wants is your life and he is no different than a human when it comes to this. He created us to show and receive love and this is really overlooked a lot of times. Please if you are not taking time to talk to God. To really think about it and draw near to him because when you leave this world and he shows his love towards you physically. You will understand everything and why and regret every second you weren’t telling him how much you love and adore such an awesome God. I love all of you!!!!
Amen Brother. I wish more people could understand the truth and know that this is not all there is and some day we can be with our Creator in Heaven.
Just be careful of the murderers, rapists and Paedophiles, he loves them too!
I had a similar experience when I took 7 grams of " penis envy" mushrooms. Long story short God gave me a job as well. My job is to help people's souls transcend,by making believers out of non-believers. God is so good. Bless all your souls and bodies!
A similar thing happened to me "god" is too small a word for who I met
Hugh Woodin is the star of this show.
Philosophy has the answer that science can not explain, but both are working together. Spirtuality and Science.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
This channel is one of the best I have ever seen on the social media. It has got only a million subscribers. This video has got only 1.5 million views. and worse, only 9k liked it. I have seen thousands of stupid channels producing idiotic and trivial videos with tens or hundreds of times more following than this. Clearly shows that human consciousness will take thousands of years more to evolve.
This is fun. I will take a stab at this.
Here's the formula. Infinity = 1 + everything else except 1 .
yer welcome. (i am just an old person and dont know any math to speak of , so i could be mistaken)
1>N; N=1+N
Netflix brought me here. They are obsessed with infinity. And now so am I. A lot of shows and movies contain the symbol. Some shows do not have the symbol but are a representation of such. For instance, a Ground Hog Day construct. Why? And what does it all mean?
We knew long before Einstein that the speed of light is finite.
That is not what Einstein is telling you. Have a look a what that 'c' actually stands for.
@@ForOdinAndAsgard I was referring to the comment at 1:27 "Before Einstein people believed that the speed of light is infinity, instantaneous. And then Einstein explained in the Relativity Theory that the speed of light is finite." We know at least since Ole Rømer that the speed of light is finite.
@@geoforn Knowing and explaining are two completely different things. In 300 BC they knew the earth to be a globe but they could not explain why that was the case until way after Newton came up with gravity.
@@ForOdinAndAsgard I agree, but that doesn't make the statement "Before Einstein people believed that the speed of light is infinity, instantaneous." any less wrong.
@@geoforn Yeah that part is a bit gnarly.
Pure is infinite and impure is limitated . Because life is a pure consciousness .
Plato, ahoy!
If you have a hotel with infinite available rooms, why are you moving people over and doubling numbers? Why not just put every new person in the next available room? Makes no sense at all.
Nothing can be "full up" if its infinite! Get it right Doris!
This subject is much more entertaining when ur stoned lol
Why?
Yes, it is:)
@@nickilovesdogs8137 you get more relaxed, witch makes you pay more attention, you have total focus on these abstract subject and your imagination is wild, the result is great haha
The imaginations when you are stoned and you though of writing down some logic you get from your imaginations. 😂
The pained expression of the experts portrayed is as though they are insinuating that the work of thinking about such things and being securely-employed and well-paid for it is so hard that none of the common people should even consider attempting it
Did any of the panelists even grasp the concept of infinity? Each had his own academic position and tried to subdivide infinity in accordance with that particular academic discipline. Subdivide infinity?
How can they possibly deal with infinity if they tend toward limiting it? Infinity is finite if it is not all encompassing of anything and everything.
How to add an infinity of buses filled with an infinity of guests to an already infinitely filled hotel? Answer: The guests are already in the hotel, for Pete's sake! THAT is infinity! Everything is in the hotel and the hotel is in everything.
There is only one infinity. There are no multiples, and there are no subsets. Infinity includes ALL THAT IS. PERIOD. It is fine to manipulate infinity for whatever purposes of whatever academic discipline, but beware of the added potential consequences of manipulating a concept that defies manipulation.
Physicists such as Raphael Bousso don't like all those pesky infinities. They are there for a reason, and when they cannot be mitigated or tossed out or ignored, there is a reason for it. That reason is that they are impinging on the realm of creation itself. THE Infinite.
The fundamental building block of all creation and all that is, is the possibility. It's that simple. An infinity of possibilities means what?
Did you notice the references in this presentation to "statistics" and "possible" as in possibilities? There are no "statistics" without there first being probabilities. There are no probabilities without there first being possibilities.
Possibilities are real, and yet not. All creation is "real" and yet not. Everything from nothing. Everything IS nothing.
Infinite possibilities means consciousness is possible, therefore it is.
If possibilities do not exist as the fundamental building blocks of creation and all that is, is creation then ... possible?
The panels are confusing infinity with eternity when they talk about the hotels. In reality, there is only one infinity, because all lesser infinities (time/eternity/matter) are contained within it. when they talk about adding an infinite amount of people to the hotel, what i want to know is where they're getting that many people? because if the hotel is infinite, that means its the universe, and if its the universe than that means you're asking if you can take an infinite number of people from the universe adn add it to an infinite hotel which is universe. that's like if i had a chair in a room and i you asked me if i could take that chair adn put it into that room. duh, its already in teh room, you can don't have to put it in there. absolute infinity has no division, it is itself, of itself and with itself.
There could be a bus filled with na infinite number of males, a bus filled with an infinite number of females, a bus filled with an infnite number of ants, etc. Therefore there can be different, seperate infinities.
The thought of infinity has always got me thinking so deep
Every time I saw the two guys at 2:00, I kept expecting them to go in to a Statler and Waldorf (Muppets) routine!?! Anyone else!?? :D
Such a pleasure to be present here and liste to the wise words 🎵💜🎶
When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
space allows forms to be;
silence allows sounds to be...
just as axis x and y allow your functions to be.
But silence wouldn't allow sound to be unless they always co-existed together. Just like the positive and negative integers. You can't say one caused the other to be. If they are both infinite and have a corresponding relationship, than it all must be engulfed in a single set -aka the existence of the Integers vs. the Natural numbers.
The first 2.5min of this video is what infinity feals like when trying to get to the damn point. There it is. (Edit) This is almost as painful as listening to Neil Degrasse Tyson stroking his ego.
would you rather watch him stroking something else ?....................maybe his, er...cat ? ha ! got you !
The guy's got a big ego that's for sure 😂😂
People are people. I struggled to deal with it too - but not enough to complain about it in the comments. The discussion was riveting and all the participants were brilliant.
Andrey Tarkovsky in his book 'Sculpting in Time' wrote:
"The idea of infinity cannot be expressed in words or even described, but it can be apprehended through art, which makes infinity tangible.
The absolute is only attainable through faith and in the creative act."
It's like the idea of your absolute non-existence stretching back into eternity before you were conceived: impossible to express, symbolise or imagine, you can only attempt to intuit it totally obliquely. People can't imagine how the universe could have come from nothing but the self-reflexive consciousness of every single human being came forth out of nothingness.
@@duprie37 And we go back into nothingness. No afterlife.
@@cristianm7097 Probably, but still. Can a being that has experienced self-reflexive consciousness, be annihilated? Is it even a meaningful question? We're the only beings in the cosmos that can conceive - abstractly - of nothingness, by virtue of being self-reflexively conscious. The cosmos abhors nothingness, by definition, being - what is - excludes nothingness absolutely.
@@duprie37 Life is optional in the Universe. 99.9% of the species on Earth went extinct.
@@cristianm7097 I'm not sure how that statistic is relevant to consciousness. Without conscious beings it's utterly meaningless to even consider if the universe exists. It's not about whether it does or doesn't in the absence of conscious beings to perceive it. There's no possibility of even asking the question. It's like asking what's north of the North Pole. "Esse est percipi"
Will it be infinity an illusion?
Good thing there are universities to house people like this with their particular form of madness.
Scientists are mutant beings. What kind of ape decides to try rubbing sticks together instead of hunting? Ridiculous, but ultimately fruitful. That's the story of science
The first speaker was completely out of his depth. Its like inviting an astrologer to a debate about neutron stars.
One wonders why theologians get invited to any science discussion at all, considering they're implicitely talking about the 'supernatural' - the existence of which there is absolutely no scientific evidence for. Even philosophers are on shaky grounds there.
Wrong
@@Goettel First off, he's a philosopher. Big difference from a theologian. You focused too much on his words and not what he was saying. Historically, most of the big questions were answered for religious purposes, even if much thinking was also suppressed by religion. Even the Big Bang came out of Catholicism. All math and physics starts as philosophy. The axioms underpinning math are philosophical in nature. Philosophy is literally the study of reason, all forms of reason. Math is a well defined form of reason. Nothing of what he said had anything to do with "god" even though he used the word many times.
@@BenjaminCronce Correct, God means many things, but you're doing a disservice to the listeners when you're not defining the word properly. God in mainstream means a creator of the universe, a father figure, a judge, and so on.
Infinity cannot be worked out, because there’s no series of numbers that can reach something that goes on forever. I say it can be worked out, based on a theory, that I purposely debunked. I’m half the way. Community Post, see you there.
You are correct, IMO. One cannot count the uncountable. The argument is self defeating. No matter where one points on a infinite line would be the middle of infinity. Therefore, measuring and/or counting it is a fallacious & senseless argument. Any application of numbers in the study of infinity is an error. No wonder Cantor went mad.
Unless you've experienced the crushing and incomprehensible force of infinity, you don't have the right to try and explain it.
Forget whether or not infinity exist, I believe through math that it cannot be within this dimension. The universe has a beginning, that we can see for ourselves by witnessing the light left behind. So the time of the universe can be measured so it is not infinite. As for space itself which is expanding, we can measure that with matter. Matter can't occupy same space. That means space can be filled so: Available Space = (Space - Matter) we do this because another planet cannot occupy the same space limiting that space even if there is a number we can't imagine still available. And to be expanding means space is being added as well. If infinity to our form is immeasurable then it should not be added or subtracted.
True infinity by our definition would more likely be a universe where particles can occupy the same space leaving infinite space or a universe of absolute nothingness for eternity. Just my assumptions
very true my friend
Anyone else noticed a sudden spotlight on the theme of Infinity. I noticed a slight increase in the number of youtube suggestions on such videos tonight and that got me thinking if infiltrating such notion in our minds should be enough or maybe just a sloppy or temopary answer to so many questions in all the major sciences that are connected with our very existence and the existence to it all. I for one can't wrap my head around the lack of a begining to our universe, or all other universes from the recently dubbed multiverse. I can't understand how nothing shouild've become something. I don't know.. I think Infinity is what these scientists are going with, and trying to shove down our throats and makes us swallow
His joke at the beginning absolutely bombed
Infinity is everything and nothing at the same time.
1:09 We don't need to pretend that infinity exists. It Exists! It's a mathematical and physiological Truth.
oops! Reality is the boundary of infinity.
Reality is infinite
Infinity equals one.
Hmmm what is infinity? You can always add-on another number to all the other numbers before, but what are numbers? We created numbers in the first place, so what is infinity?
We may created, invent and disband various numbering systems but the idea of numbers has always existed. The laws that govern numbers has no beginning.
Melchezidicque Doesn't make sense, "The idea of number's always existed" but for it to exist in the first place it really did have to begin from an idea?
CraigySpider Well things don't necessarily need to be defined by a sentient entity in order for them to exist. They exist separately, and something like a human may or may not later discover and utilize it. I think it's kind of like the old 'if a tree fell in the woods and no one heard it, would it still make a sound?' Well of course it would.
Yes, I agree that we sentient entities had no idea of the many laws found in nature and still yet unaware of the infinite more to discover. Hence our desire and crave for knowledge will never be fulfilled.
I must admit that I see things as a man. How then can I thoroughly and fully comprehend that which is infinite? How ever I look, what ever I see, all my vast knowledge and understanding shall have always been but a vague glimmer of that which is from a particular perspective. The closer others are to me the more likely there are to see some phenomena like I would from an almost similar perspective, for no two persons can occupy the same space at the same time. I should also say that the further away others are from me, that their view of some phenomena would be more likely to be treated as alien to mine and hence, the consequence that is doubtlessly to follow, war, in what ever disguise it take. The faces of the war are many a marvellous thing that I have observe by watching all and many types debates be it political, religious, scientific what ever.
Let us for arguments sake view that the existence of the things defined, the KNOWN laws that govern our understand of what is, is but a small glimpse of humanities narrow perspective of infinity. Imagine there are eight persons seated around a very large octagonal object where they can not see each other and are only occupied with what can be seen and known by what is directly ahead of them. Each face of the object presents unique problems to them. They then found working definitions via their 'great intellect', use of reasoning and empirical evidence through 'scientific inquiry' of what is before them. Being the humans they would all go to war for their definition of what is because they are more interested in their views, self glorification than what is truth.
As the amount of persons increases such that they reach the edges of the object, they may be-able
to see the other person point of view. Let go bigger and imagine that the object is so large that every living human has a side to view. The closer they are to each other the more likely their views are going to be similar. The opposite is also true. Hope you see where I am going. This is to my mind is one of life's greatest mysteries where, we humans are viewing each a small glimpse of infinity and will fight each other till death if that must be to accomplish our selfish goals. The scientist and religious view one another from across the room with contempt or mild disdain as they each tries to grapple with what is, never giving an inch that they are both look at the same phenomena, infinity.
It is self evident that truth, that which is, needs no defender. It self is its' own defence. There is only one thing and one thing only that can be done when face to face with the truth and that is to choose. Further more, you are always limited to only two choices, that of acceptance or rejection and the consequence of either path that shall inescapably and will inevitably follow. There are those who are so deceived and or filled with arrogance that is born from ignorance and self exaltation such that they can not see and and will not see such truths. All human study in what ever field, from science to religion and ever other thing in between is but an endeavour to seek what life, infinity, is about. Then again what does a fool like me know? I am but a dog among Doctors.
Infinity is really an attempt to describe time and space using mathematics. It would have no beginning as well as having no end. Relativity tells us that time and space are interchangeable and that the speed of light is a constant no matter how you measure it. Yet gravity appears to slow down time (relative to the observer) and this means that time itself is an illusion. Time would simply stand still at the edge of a black hole but only relative to the observer. That is why mathematics breaks down at the edge of a black hole and numbers cease to have meaning. If time stands still there is nothing to measure because the space/time continuum ceases to exist. However, we are limited by our present day knowledge and life itself is a continuum, so who knows what we may yet discover?
I show you what I have discovered...
Incredibly enough, the Continuum Hypothesis is proved by simply establishing 1-to-1 correspondence between positive decimal floats and positive decimal integers.
For the last 125 years such a proof eluded the top set-theory experts of the
planet. It was eventually abandoned and classified either as impossible or undecidable.
Well, no more. Sit back and enjoy one of the most trivial and elegant proofs in
set theory. It is published on RUclips with the title : “Proving the Continuum
Hypothesis”.
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Infinity is really cool... I stopped watching at that point
Same. Reminds me of "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,... Jesus is really cool" what a load of crock, and I didn't even bother watching it, I already know it is.
Two questions: Why Does RUclips "Show More" button no longer work? Why would RUclips leave this button on the page?
1:40 I want that Pi-Lingual shirt!
it takes infinty to undetstand infinty
I can give you a visual example of Infinity. That which is
Infinite is not readily apparent, is not measurable as to location and momentum, has no mass. Take eight Mirrors about one-foot square. Form an octagon with the reflective side to the inside. Place a dot on one of the mirrors and then look at the dot from the outside of the octagon. Finding just the right angle and a series of dots will appear on one of the mirrors, beginning with the first dot being larger than the rest. The series of dots will appear with each dot becoming smaller and smaller to the point where the dots are no longer visible, become Infinite.
it takes infinty to undetstand infinty
Looks like it takes infinity for you to learn how to spell ?
Infinity is a unending amount and the use for infinity is the amount of natural numbers, even numbers, odd numbers, rational numbers, the amount of space the solar system has, and more.
now that's some profound shit.
What is meant by ENDLESS? There are four sides. 1 - East, 2 - West. 3 - South. 4 - North. ( I don't know English) when we combine these four directions, it is called the infinity, or ENDLESS. That means make + as o that is in our protractor we will get 180 degrees for two sides and for another side we will get 180 degrees. Thus , Total degrees are 360 degrees. That is the total coverage, in all directions are 360 degrees. If Space is endless, the shape of Space is " o ".
If my argument is correct parallel lines meet at the starting point.
I don't think your idea of Infinity is right, if you look at Infinity and say that there is an end where it can be doubled, you don't understand Infinity. You can double the rooms all you want but who says you have to move rooms. Understand with Infinity when you come there with another 'Infinity group of numbers', those numbers are already in the first Infinity, because by the definition of Infinity in my world that means all the numbers that could possibly be conceived are already in it. it's endless, it's " Infinite " so you don't have to put them in rooms they're already in there. Understand my definition of Infinity there is only one Infinity the all. Everything should mean everything. I get tired when people talk about the universe and it keeps expanding and and multiple universes what a joke, it's like multiple infinities it doesn't fit the word whatever you want to call your little universes they're just part of the one universe. And whatever you call your little infinities they're just part of Infinity, the one. In my definition of the universe is it goes on for ever just like Infinity. It's infinite, there is no end. Just because you can't conceive it doesn't mean it's not there. Please show me how you can stop either one and build a wall and there's gonna be nothing on the other side of it. There's no end - how can you end it? If you can then we have different definitions of the word Infinity/universe
This. This. This.
1:03:00
That's what I was talking about!!!
The "uncertainty principle" in quantum mechanics can lead to infinites. Once we have the full set intervals in the universe, we can conclude a full observation and finally provide a GUT!
im infinitely bored now, ty