Marcel Duchamp had an alter-ego… of a different gender. Here’s Rrose Sélavy. Anemic Cinema: • Marcel Duchamp's "Aném... Support us on Patreon: / thecanvas
The Canvas man speaks French so well. Another good video, it discuses an important issue in this time of overwhelming social media identity where people want to cultivate false images to be admired right now! Of course, some people are born genuine as Rrose Selavy was, never to be wholly accepted or understood in their living times. Duchamp understood the nature of time.
Hi Canvas, here is the answer to your riddle: Since 1920, the role of Rrose Sèlavy has concentrated the forces of a specific desire: the desire for artification, to become art. It encompasses the longing for recognition, commercial and financial success, and even the very act of declaring something as artwork-the desire to be recognized as an artist. These are aspects that Duchamp himself deliberately avoided since 1912. Rrose Sèlavy, serving as the feminine double, encapsulates the financial-technological-engineering aspect of artistic production (the art machine in motion). Not only does Rrose Sèlavy act for posterity, but she also represents posterity in action; she can reinterpret artworks and artist intentions over time, determining who and what will become the new art.So, his choice is not really about gender. In fact, his choice is slightly offensive. It was 1920, so we cannot apply 2023 criteria. However, Duchamp used quite offensive racial stereotypes (Duchamp even thought about a Jewish character instead Rrose). He described Rrose as a 'whore,' maybe ironically, but still. Hope it can be userful. Best Rgds from Berlin.
I was childreared by antisexuals. They deprived me of much life. So of course I like Rrose Selavy. I discovered Duchamp as a freshman at Yale in 1964. My roommate was a 26 year old French aristocrat who at least said he had grown up underfoot with persons like Albert Camus and smoked Gauloises. None of the "people" in my childhood and schooling or what they did or beieved had ever appealed me as good that they existed. That roommate was the first person I ever actually met who seemed to me better exist then never to have been born. And Duchamp's art was an antidote to the sentimental less than world (I call it: Abwelt or Scheissestuckwelt) in which I had less than lived: The American Dream. But at the time, Yale was still back in the Dark Age of "in loco parentis" which I translate as: "Parents are insane". No women undergraduates. And the boys could not have living female bodies in their rooms except during limited hours and with the doors open. We need an orgasm friendly social world. Rrose Selavy.
"ready made" O.M.G thank you!! I have been making, what are called apparently, "ready made assisted" pieces for the last few years but I don't sell them nor even post pictures online. I never had a name for it whenever someone would ask me about the arranged objects. So now I have a new art vocab word in my brain, thanks!!
I think Rrose is more than Duchamp's identity or alter -ego Her name "Sélavy" is a pun on her acceptation of her fate making her a carricature of woman of her time and opening a door to build her future evolution or absence of evolution.
Not sure about the smartest person of the first half of the 20th century, but certainly the absolute god of 20th century art. Which brings me to selavy, I think Duchamp is saying the artist can play a character, someone different than they actually are. You don’t have to be the boring neurotic white man artist often are. Some examples, and I’m sure not the best would be Warhol who would probably never told the full truth ever and even banksy who is so hidden as to he essentially invisible.
@@TheCanvasArtHistory My first language is English... That doesn't mean my English pronunciation is perfect, or even good. Most English accents sound like gibberish to my ear.
And a Dada poem in honor of World War I Version 2 which we have today in the country of Zelenskia. this poem authentically produced according to Tristan Tzara's instructions except using a persons=al computer instead of a paper bag: "different protect may have darkness troops rooted of world refuse of For freedom freedom and for for God sake of in hope decency democracy future live God free a in light this a victory Thank power and never and a you may dignity and to you patience a bless hopelessness principle Russia our all and Ukraine For brighter will remain future be and cannot defend possibilities and God's your our will man people God We in" (Source: Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr, POTUS №.46)
I think Duchamp was a clever man but I definitely don't consider him as a great artist 😀, I think he was a member of the high-bourgeoisie who knew how to talk to members of the high-bourgeoisie and made a living out of it 😀... and as, unfortunately, art is completely owned by the high-bourgeoisie, the high-bourgeoisie decided to credit him as being the greatest artist of the 20th century... because he was one of them. 😀
The term “multiple personality disorder” has not been used in DECADES- get with the times. It is now known as “dissociative identity disorder” and implying this artist embodies the spirit of that disorder is insulting to both the artist and the DID community. Think before you speak/post asinine comments online. You also incorrectly used the word “personify” - I genuinely hope you are a child and not a fully functioning adult.
@@sandraelliott4435 a bit hurtful, but okay. Firstly, I didn’t mean for it to be an insult. It was literally the first thing I thought of since it seemed like the artist would do various things with himself as the main focus but differently(like the wanted-poster or dressing up in women’s clothing and makeup); it was literally just me not being able to come up with a better way to describe what he was doing so yeah, sorry about saying multiple-personality and stuff. Yes, I’m an adult, but I’m not too great when it comes with words. Also, was it really necessary to insult me?! It’s a bit much to be honest with you(although, I do see where it’s coming from)
@@PowWowChikaBowWow6902 your original comment and response is incredibly insulting to the entire DID community bc it implies that the disorder that they suffer from is simply an act like the artist put on or something they do for fun. Dissociative Identity Disorder develops as the result of a young child experiencing such horrific trauma that it literally breaks their psyche and their “alters” (other personalities) develop as a means to protect the original. Everything about this conversation screams ignorance.
OP, I'm sure you didn't mean to insult or offend anyone with this comment. It is not your intention, and for that you should be excused by @sandra elliot. I am sorry that you have gotten insulted by her, since you really didn't mean any harm.
The Canvas man speaks French so well. Another good video, it discuses an important issue in this time of overwhelming social media identity where people want to cultivate false images to be admired right now! Of course, some people are born genuine as Rrose Selavy was, never to be wholly accepted or understood in their living times. Duchamp understood the nature of time.
He’s Canadian. Really somethin I wish I could do.
@@avrelo_south what do you mean by that? You wish you could do something because the man was canadian??
@@sandraelliott4435 as a Canadian I feel like I should be able to speak French.
Your videos are immensely inspiring in a handful of ways. Thank you for the work you put into this channel!! :)
Brilliant short of Rrose Selavy! Merci beaucoup :)
Duchamp doesn't get enough credit as a king of macaronic word play
Had to pause in the first 10 seconds of this video for this comment. I love Dada and I am over the moon you will be covering it.
Hi Canvas, here is the answer to your riddle: Since 1920, the role of Rrose Sèlavy has concentrated the forces of a specific desire: the desire for artification, to become art. It encompasses the longing for recognition, commercial and financial success, and even the very act of declaring something as artwork-the desire to be recognized as an artist. These are aspects that Duchamp himself deliberately avoided since 1912. Rrose Sèlavy, serving as the feminine double, encapsulates the financial-technological-engineering aspect of artistic production (the art machine in motion). Not only does Rrose Sèlavy act for posterity, but she also represents posterity in action; she can reinterpret artworks and artist intentions over time, determining who and what will become the new art.So, his choice is not really about gender. In fact, his choice is slightly offensive. It was 1920, so we cannot apply 2023 criteria. However, Duchamp used quite offensive racial stereotypes (Duchamp even thought about a Jewish character instead Rrose). He described Rrose as a 'whore,' maybe ironically, but still. Hope it can be userful. Best Rgds from Berlin.
Superb summation. Thank you!
Pls say croissant
FUCK YES GNC DUCHAMP
I was childreared by antisexuals. They deprived me of much life. So of course I like Rrose Selavy. I discovered Duchamp as a freshman at Yale in 1964. My roommate was a 26 year old French aristocrat who at least said he had grown up underfoot with persons like Albert Camus and smoked Gauloises. None of the "people" in my childhood and schooling or what they did or beieved had ever appealed me as good that they existed. That roommate was the first person I ever actually met who seemed to me better exist then never to have been born. And Duchamp's art was an antidote to the sentimental less than world (I call it: Abwelt or Scheissestuckwelt) in which I had less than lived: The American Dream. But at the time, Yale was still back in the Dark Age of "in loco parentis" which I translate as: "Parents are insane". No women undergraduates. And the boys could not have living female bodies in their rooms except during limited hours and with the doors open. We need an orgasm friendly social world. Rrose Selavy.
Thank you for introducing me to the term alter ego after watching this video.
"ready made" O.M.G thank you!! I have been making, what are called apparently, "ready made assisted" pieces for the last few years but I don't sell them nor even post pictures online. I never had a name for it whenever someone would ask me about the arranged objects. So now I have a new art vocab word in my brain, thanks!!
2:42 I believe the cover for John Frusciante's first studio album Niandra LaDes was inspired by this one
I think Rrose is more than Duchamp's identity or alter -ego Her name "Sélavy" is a pun on her acceptation of her fate making her a carricature of woman of her time and opening a door to build her future evolution or absence of evolution.
Not sure about the smartest person of the first half of the 20th century, but certainly the absolute god of 20th century art. Which brings me to selavy, I think Duchamp is saying the artist can play a character, someone different than they actually are. You don’t have to be the boring neurotic white man artist often are. Some examples, and I’m sure not the best would be Warhol who would probably never told the full truth ever and even banksy who is so hidden as to he essentially invisible.
Agreed. No absolutes. MD is one of many "thinkers"
Hard to quantify as the smartest.
We, each of us, contain multitudes.
another interesting video
Your French pronunciation is so creative.
My first language is French.
@@TheCanvasArtHistory My first language is English... That doesn't mean my English pronunciation is perfect, or even good. Most English accents sound like gibberish to my ear.
Life is but a game.........
not rubberstick
And a Dada poem in honor of World War I Version 2 which we have today in the country of Zelenskia. this poem authentically produced according to Tristan Tzara's instructions except using a persons=al computer instead of a paper bag:
"different protect may have darkness troops rooted of world refuse of For freedom freedom and for for God sake of in hope decency democracy future live God free a in light this a victory Thank power and never and a you may dignity and to you patience a bless hopelessness principle Russia our all and Ukraine For brighter will remain future be and cannot defend possibilities and God's your our will man people God We in" (Source: Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr, POTUS №.46)
You are mispronouncing WELCH as WELSH.
I think Duchamp was a clever man but I definitely don't consider him as a great artist 😀, I think he was a member of the high-bourgeoisie who knew how to talk to members of the high-bourgeoisie and made a living out of it 😀... and as, unfortunately, art is completely owned by the high-bourgeoisie, the high-bourgeoisie decided to credit him as being the greatest artist of the 20th century... because he was one of them. 😀
This sounds like if Multiple-Personality Disorder was personified through an artist
The term “multiple personality disorder” has not been used in DECADES- get with the times. It is now known as “dissociative identity disorder” and implying this artist embodies the spirit of that disorder is insulting to both the artist and the DID community. Think before you speak/post asinine comments online. You also incorrectly used the word “personify” - I genuinely hope you are a child and not a fully functioning adult.
@@sandraelliott4435 a bit hurtful, but okay.
Firstly, I didn’t mean for it to be an insult. It was literally the first thing I thought of since it seemed like the artist would do various things with himself as the main focus but differently(like the wanted-poster or dressing up in women’s clothing and makeup); it was literally just me not being able to come up with a better way to describe what he was doing so yeah, sorry about saying multiple-personality and stuff.
Yes, I’m an adult, but I’m not too great when it comes with words.
Also, was it really necessary to insult me?! It’s a bit much to be honest with you(although, I do see where it’s coming from)
@@PowWowChikaBowWow6902 your original comment and response is incredibly insulting to the entire DID community bc it implies that the disorder that they suffer from is simply an act like the artist put on or something they do for fun. Dissociative Identity Disorder develops as the result of a young child experiencing such horrific trauma that it literally breaks their psyche and their “alters” (other personalities) develop as a means to protect the original. Everything about this conversation screams ignorance.
@@sandraelliott4435 right. Well, the only thing I can do is say sorry to them.
OP, I'm sure you didn't mean to insult or offend anyone with this comment. It is not your intention, and for that you should be excused by @sandra elliot. I am sorry that you have gotten insulted by her, since you really didn't mean any harm.
Is it possible he was a closet cross dresser, instead of the "smartest"?
i wouldn’t characterize the state of gender/sexuality politics as a social conversation. it’s more like a belligerent rant
Go cry about it.