Yes, you are RIGHT, but it is still more reliable than listening to the church leaders who have curried favor with the powers of the world and no longer have the Holy Spirit in them. Jesus Christ already made us aware that many will come in his name....
@@isabelleskiss And you can infallibly declare that they no longer have the Holy Spirit, yet conveniently, you do have the Holy Spirit? It seems very convenient to me that whoever disagrees with you must not have the Holy Spirit. And it is certainly impossible for you to ever be deceived by another spirit that is not of God. Very convenient. This is a dangerous way of thinking, my friend. The demons are far more intelligent and ancient than you or I am, you cannot imagine yourself to be smarter than them. No one is immune to the sin of pride, which is the root of all sins. Demons can deceive those who are filled with pride. Self-assurance. You are certain of your own interpretations and understandings over the collective wisdom of 2000 years of Christians. That is pride. Christianity is marked by a life of repentance and self-denial. Through this, we learn humility and we learn to lean on God, and not on ourselves. But it is not something that comes easily, and you cannot expect to be able to guide yourself through the spiritual life. We all need a guide. If your guide is immaterial (i.e., you allow yourself to be led by a spirit you believe to be the Holy Spirit), you are open to deception. You are not incapable of being deceived.
Has Christ risen or did God rise from the grave??? If you believe in the Oneness or the Trinity or Just that Jesus is God in the Flesh, you will always run into the fact that God Himself cannot die.... Jesus did, in fact die, and to fake a death is a lie and a deception....
It's the Spirit's work in scripture, in the church (Christ's people), and in each of us. All three in balance are necessary for the Spirit to accomplish his ends. Overemphasis on any one leads to hindrances to the Spirit's moving. Denominational polities are the tools he has used in history and culture in this age to preserve the gospel, but they are not the goal. The goal is the perfect Kingdom when Christ returns in glory. Our job here and now is to trust in the Lord simply in all things, to love and do good works of service in fellowship with our community.
Currently trying to convert my mormon friend. Such a pain, he just says that the same way i can cite evidence of the early church he says he can cite joseph smith and his followers
@@haydenwalton2766 why are you running? Debate Jay if you are confident. If you just want to hang out in the comments, we know what kind of person you are by default.
You need Scripture, Reason, Tradition, and Experience. But Experience is the most important category, and the one that we are least aware of. Reason is a close second. But the churches answer to different questions will vary depending on time/place/denomination. At the end of the day truth is the only authority. Not the "bible alone" or the church.
@@mattmurdock2868 You can claim "The the Bible is perfect" and a Muslim would claim "the Quran is perfect". The reason you both believe what you believe is because you have chosen based on your personal experience. Thats why experience is primary.
@@johnmackie9498 Paul’s road to Damascus conversion was an Experience. Experience includes but is not just emotions. But for better or for worse, our subjective experience is the main reason people believe what they believe. People interpret the Bible based on the denomination they grew up in, or whatever person they personally choose to be authoritative. This is why we have so many different denominations/religions. I agree we have to try to see past our experiential biases, and appeal to reason.
First and foremost, All traditions are derived from interpretations of scripture alone... What people need is to get right with God.... Going to church does not bring you closer to God... What brings you closer to God is you obedience to Him....
@@nousquest and that is using scripture alone... plus the Catholic Church believes it has mor authority than God.... They Believe that Jesus is God Himself and even Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law and that the law would remain the same until the second coming, yet the Catholic Church seems to think it could transfer the sabbath from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week and they also think they can ignore the second commandment about idols... Daniel 7:25 "He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time."
The Church's faith, that was once for all delivered to the saints, is not based on Scripture. Rather, it's based on the Gospel, that is who Jesus Christ is, what He's done, and what He expects of us. The Scriptures bear witness and attest to the faith of the Church, but they are not the basis of it.
@@justanotherlikeyou without the Scriptures you would have no foundation for your faith.... you are still destroying your own argument... One would not know about Jesus without scripture... One would not have traditions without scripture... One could not explain who Jesus was without scripture... If Scripture bears witness to the faith of the church, the church got it's faith and traditions from interpreting scripture.... Without scripture, the church could not claim any authority whatsoever....
Old Testament: Sex is good, here is some erotic poetry. "Orthodoxy": nope, sex is evil, the fall created it, become a monk (even though not a single OT Saint is a monk) and deprive yourself as much as possible of anything even remotely fun. Yeah, I think I'll pass.
Sex isnt evil, marriage is Gods condescension to man for our benefit. You can choose whether or not you want to be married, marriage is a sacrement that can aid in salvation. You also have the free will to choose monasticism or priesthood. The nazarenes and St John the baptist were like monastics, and if you knew anything about the life of The Theotokos she herself was like a nun living in the temple. You dont have to deprive yourself of everything fun, you just need to make sure you have balance and arent controlled by anything..
@@ducky1016 tell me you haven't read your church fathers, without telling me you haven't your church fathers. I can provide an abundance of quotes from your fathers and saints calling sex a defilement and sinful but you clearly don't even know the basics of your religion, so this discussion won't be worth a dime.
At the end of the day, the "Bible alone" people really mean "their interpretation of the Bible alone."
Went from one pope in the west to infinitely many popes.
Sola Interpretatio.
Or pastor billy bob down the street lol
Yes, you are RIGHT, but it is still more reliable than listening to the church leaders who have curried favor with the powers of the world and no longer have the Holy Spirit in them.
Jesus Christ already made us aware that many will come in his name....
@@isabelleskiss And you can infallibly declare that they no longer have the Holy Spirit, yet conveniently, you do have the Holy Spirit? It seems very convenient to me that whoever disagrees with you must not have the Holy Spirit. And it is certainly impossible for you to ever be deceived by another spirit that is not of God. Very convenient.
This is a dangerous way of thinking, my friend. The demons are far more intelligent and ancient than you or I am, you cannot imagine yourself to be smarter than them. No one is immune to the sin of pride, which is the root of all sins. Demons can deceive those who are filled with pride. Self-assurance. You are certain of your own interpretations and understandings over the collective wisdom of 2000 years of Christians. That is pride. Christianity is marked by a life of repentance and self-denial. Through this, we learn humility and we learn to lean on God, and not on ourselves. But it is not something that comes easily, and you cannot expect to be able to guide yourself through the spiritual life. We all need a guide. If your guide is immaterial (i.e., you allow yourself to be led by a spirit you believe to be the Holy Spirit), you are open to deception. You are not incapable of being deceived.
Super concise. I can think of a LOT of people who need to see this.
They dont want to see it tho lol.
Christ is risen!
Truly He is risen!
Has Christ risen or did God rise from the grave??? If you believe in the Oneness or the Trinity or Just that Jesus is God in the Flesh, you will always run into the fact that God Himself cannot die.... Jesus did, in fact die, and to fake a death is a lie and a deception....
@@mrtheology2069Or, you know, we don't believe that.
@@mrtheology2069 Jesus is God and he "died" he didnt really die if he came back
3 days after
@@XenGosuto I have said a lot... which part are you referring???.... list them and I will help you understand your own lies...
This is where I found Jay in the first place 🙏🏼
W way to convey this in a super informational and respectful way. Keep it up bro!
Glory to God ☦️
Just a reminder that pay piggy is the greatest song on earth
Well moon beaver hasn’t dropped yet. Hold onto your hat 🌒🦫🎶🎷🎸🌇🌴
Upload those clips from Insitum Verbum, brother took down his videos. They were helpful in my conversion to holy Orthodoxy.
Always spot on bro
It's the Spirit's work in scripture, in the church (Christ's people), and in each of us. All three in balance are necessary for the Spirit to accomplish his ends. Overemphasis on any one leads to hindrances to the Spirit's moving.
Denominational polities are the tools he has used in history and culture in this age to preserve the gospel, but they are not the goal.
The goal is the perfect Kingdom when Christ returns in glory.
Our job here and now is to trust in the Lord simply in all things, to love and do good works of service in fellowship with our community.
I just watched James White get smashed by jimmy akin on sola scriptura. White admits it wasnt possinle
Currently trying to convert my mormon friend. Such a pain, he just says that the same way i can cite evidence of the early church he says he can cite joseph smith and his followers
Remind him about Apostles and apostolic tradition. Joseph Smith doesn't have that.
what paul said was the word of god because - he said it was.
way to go jay. thats some solid reasoning you've got going there.
You should come on the next debate stream
@@theelement6255 why would I waste my time talking with you bunch of numbnuts ?
@@theelement6255 so you can teach me what 'special pleading' is ?
maybe try watching the video next time
@@haydenwalton2766 why are you running? Debate Jay if you are confident. If you just want to hang out in the comments, we know what kind of person you are by default.
👑💕🙏👍
You need Scripture, Reason, Tradition, and Experience. But Experience is the most important category, and the one that we are least aware of. Reason is a close second. But the churches answer to different questions will vary depending on time/place/denomination. At the end of the day truth is the only authority. Not the "bible alone" or the church.
@@mattmurdock2868The Word of God is Jesus Christ.
@@mattmurdock2868 You can claim "The the Bible is perfect" and a Muslim would claim "the Quran is perfect". The reason you both believe what you believe is because you have chosen based on your personal experience. Thats why experience is primary.
@@johnmackie9498 Paul’s road to Damascus conversion was an Experience. Experience includes but is not just emotions. But for better or for worse, our subjective experience is the main reason people believe what they believe. People interpret the Bible based on the denomination they grew up in, or whatever person they personally choose to be authoritative. This is why we have so many different denominations/religions. I agree we have to try to see past our experiential biases, and appeal to reason.
Circle.
Erm, what the sigma, the Spanish Inquisition was a very justified and necessary court
First and foremost, All traditions are derived from interpretations of scripture alone... What people need is to get right with God.... Going to church does not bring you closer to God... What brings you closer to God is you obedience to Him....
Using the book of Revelation canonically is a tradition determined by the Church.
@@nousquest and that is using scripture alone... plus the Catholic Church believes it has mor authority than God.... They Believe that Jesus is God Himself and even Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law and that the law would remain the same until the second coming, yet the Catholic Church seems to think it could transfer the sabbath from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week and they also think they can ignore the second commandment about idols...
Daniel 7:25 "He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time."
The Church's faith, that was once for all delivered to the saints, is not based on Scripture. Rather, it's based on the Gospel, that is who Jesus Christ is, what He's done, and what He expects of us. The Scriptures bear witness and attest to the faith of the Church, but they are not the basis of it.
@@justanotherlikeyou without the Scriptures you would have no foundation for your faith.... you are still destroying your own argument... One would not know about Jesus without scripture... One would not have traditions without scripture... One could not explain who Jesus was without scripture... If Scripture bears witness to the faith of the church, the church got it's faith and traditions from interpreting scripture....
Without scripture, the church could not claim any authority whatsoever....
Going to church is part of being obedient to Him good sir.
Old Testament: Sex is good, here is some erotic poetry.
"Orthodoxy": nope, sex is evil, the fall created it, become a monk (even though not a single OT Saint is a monk) and deprive yourself as much as possible of anything even remotely fun.
Yeah, I think I'll pass.
Complete fundamental understanding.
Sex isnt evil, marriage is Gods condescension to man for our benefit. You can choose whether or not you want to be married, marriage is a sacrement that can aid in salvation. You also have the free will to choose monasticism or priesthood. The nazarenes and St John the baptist were like monastics, and if you knew anything about the life of The Theotokos she herself was like a nun living in the temple. You dont have to deprive yourself of everything fun, you just need to make sure you have balance and arent controlled by anything..
@@ducky1016 tell me you haven't read your church fathers, without telling me you haven't your church fathers.
I can provide an abundance of quotes from your fathers and saints calling sex a defilement and sinful but you clearly don't even know the basics of your religion, so this discussion won't be worth a dime.
@@aiminghigh276 ur a cornball.
@@aiminghigh276 not everything a saint/church father says is to be taken to heart, people get things wrong sometimes.
Christ is risen ❤
Indeed He is risen!