In todays economy - doing the right thing is often going to come with a higher price than the alternative... But sure... I absolutely understand if someone can't do it for financial reasons. I'm in a similar situation myself. I want to use my money to be able to change career. That means that I can't buy a Tesla Model 3. So unfortunately I'll have to make do with a ~2015 Manual VW Golf Station wagon that I almost completely run on methane from recycled organic waste (which is widely available in the European country that I live in)... But hey, all things considered it's still a completely ok car...
For 50k conversion with used parts... you could buy both cars new, that they're getting the used parts from. Very odd. Must be 1k$/h labor cost or something...
I've always felt an electric conversion of a DeLorean makes so much sense... The DeLorean is such an iconic car, yet it's known the engine was total rubbish and without merit. I'd love a well sorted electric DeLorean. It would even resemble the Tesla truck in car guise too :)
That's what im thinking too. I have a lot of friends that are into cars or mechanics but i've never gotten into them. Then i started reading about old classic cars and all the love, quality and human effort that has gone into these cars. But also just the vibe and look of old mercedes and volvos that my friends have. Only issue with those always has to do with the fuel ineffiency and the decline of combustion engines. My dream is to have one of those old cool looking cruisers but without all the (to me) unimportant fluff of the engine...
Cost aside. I think it would be classed as sacrilege for most. Converting an old saloon or mass produced classic seems to be acceptable ,where the driving experience never really mattered may be considered ok ,but a Ferrari ? where the driving connection ,engine sound, handling quirks ,gear shift and overall feeling of the beast is what makes it dynamic to drive would be a mistake big time. Very happy to hear you have declined from such a path.
I agree but if you had enough cash to just do it to see what it would be like, you probably would, right? I was a little shocked seeing the classics they had in there. Maybe their engines are buggered so they decided why not.
I don't think it's sacrilege. He drove the electric version of this car and he seemed to really like it. Doing it on a concourse level classic Ferrari would be sacrilege or on most any v12 Ferrari.
A classic car conversion makes no sense whatsoever. First a classic car is an occasional car. More than likely at the weekend which will maybe do 2-4k miles a year. Second a classic car has character of its own. The throaty carbs, the throttle response and the engine responding behind to your inputs, the feeling as you drive through the gears, the sound of the exhaust reverberating behind you, the smell of the oil etc. The costs involved are astronomical as you'll a never going to get your money back from cheap electricity vs 90k invested. You'll never drive it enough!! Buy a Tesla for your daily if you want but a classic absolutely pointless!!
A classic car makes no sense at all either. You'd do this because you really want to enjoy the results, just like you pay over the odds for "transport" in a Ferrari when a Toyota Yaris will do a similar job.
@@markwalton8644 you guess wrong and you completely miss the point i'm making. it's a personal choice as to how much you want to spend on a car in whatever form. You could lose 70k in depreciation on some cars so how does spending 70k on a conversion "make no sense whatsoever"?
@@AndyRRR0791 Sorry I misconstrued what you are saying. Yes a Classic car will gaining value, then to spend 70+k , on the conversion only to completely devalue your classic. The only time this would make sense is if you could no longer buy petrol or a fuel to power it!!
@@markwalton8644 You're being an idiot. A classic car has nothing to do with economics. It's spending money for the pleasure it brings and, for some, that includes EV conversions.
I'll grudgingly accept some of the conversions of old limousines to electric propulsion, (they're about quiet), but the march of the milk-floats into "driving pleasure" territory is rather depressing.
Wow, am I the only one who was massively underestimating the costs involved? I can’t believe anyone does these conversions, keep the V8 and buy a Tesla! Crazy money
It's because they rip you off. And using Tesla parts is the most expensive option. Nice show off value. Nice empty bank account. There are cheaper parts you can use
Only those who've never run a proper engineering business. This is for a bespoke one off build, not a kit that they make hundreds of. There is significant design effort, bespoke skilled operator fabrication time, all of which has to be fit for purpose and safe to use on the road. Not cheap but nothing good is, and this companies work is of a very high standard.
So more than the cost of a properly developed electric car, to have an inferior "solution" that you would constantly have to explain to people and make excuses for?
I feel as time goes on that battery technology will just improve out of site, also the layout and constructed will change to make an electric car better and cheaper, than it is today and that also applies to conversions. So, to convert now maybe a bit of a premature decision as I am sure better alternatives are just around the corner. The all electric car world is still 14years away, a lot can happen between now and then. So, lets enjoy the beautiful old classics for what they are today. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
@Colin Gregson you have got to be kidding us, you do realize the nonsense of the squarish shaped Volvos of the 80s being the safest car on the road were completely and utterly debunked, THEY LIED !!! and they are lying now about EVs, but I don't care what people think I luv electric cars, they were around before gasoline powered cars and at one point there were more electrics 100 years ago than gas powered ones, and we are heading for that again, YES !!!
What a cool company! I love stuff like this, I’m going to start up my own business converting Tesla’s to massive V8 petroleum power ………. I think I’m onto a winner!😂😂 Great video Jack 👍
As Enzo said… ‘the car is just somewhere for the engine to go’ I’m paraphrasing a bit but you get what i mean… the one thing I dislike about electric vehicles is the lack of any noise.. yes they are fast.. but they sound like a bloody milk float.. very disconcerting. Even if it was £20k to change the drivetrain I wouldn’t. It’s a Ferrari!!! Let’s save the cars with character for when the rest of the world is humming around pretending they are saving the earth!! I have spoken !!😀😀😀
Do you think in a parallel universe somewhere, they made battery powered vehicles first, and then some oil burners 30 years later. Someone is saying, “these petrol engines are fast but they sound like a milk float” as f1 cars in their world were electric and milk floats little oil burners…. Ie are we conditioned to think electric cars sound like milk floats and petrol cars like race cars as that’s what fast cars have sounded like, maybe if petrol was the new thing and formula E had been around 70 years people would be saying these new petrol engines are fast but they are very uncooth in their sound 🤣🤷♂️🤣
An interesting insight into the electric mod process. I am glad it makes no financial sense for your car since, properly set up, the carb 308 engine is a thing of joy. It may only have 230-ish BHP but its response and multi-faceted sound is wonderful, and so suited to that very physical but rewarding gearbox and pedals. Now I'll have to go away and play some of the old track day videos! I also noticed the replica Countach shell up on the racking. Given how much the charisma of a Countach comes from its engine that must be an even worse idea than gutting a carb 308!
Sorry guys, but the racket of dinosaurs screaming in a Ferrari leaves me flat. I'd never want to own one. But if one was converted to EV and it came my way, then I'd jump at the chance to drive it. The looks are great, and that counts for a lot to me. Incidentally, Ferrari is the Italian equivalent name to Smith. 😉 The sound of metal being forged comes to mind.
Could not be more violently opposed to a conversion than this. Like the Python pet shop sketch turning a cat into a fish, pure madness with no humour at all.
@@gsxrmh A Tesla small motor subframe suspension you can get that for about £2500 and sell what you don't need... Battery packs, there are already people in Europe making 18650 cell type replacement modules for the Nissan Leaf... so it`s not impossible to build you own pack...
So let me just see if i got this right. Take a very decent looking (and considerably valuable) classic Ferrari, have it ripped to bits, and consequently remove any value that it might have, and pay 70000+ pounds to have that done?? WHAT? Can’t believe any person in his right mind would see that through. Maybe if the classic in question was a Fiat 500, or a VW bug, or mostly anything that was somewhat dreary to start off with.. BUT A FERRARI?? You’ve lost me there..
I’d say no to converting a Beetle. The rumbling flat four is a defining characteristic that shouldn’t be taken away. Electrify a classic Rolls Royce, fine as it’s meant to be quiet so not taken away something that makes the car what it is.
Not only that, but in a few years time, when the batteries are shot, he's screwed because they have no equivalent replacement... they're already obsolete! What happens then, get your cheque book out and give them another £35k+? 🙄
@@MrMairu555 i absolutely agree. Well, Jack seems to be a smart bloke, and i am sure he knows exactly what the Influenzo is worth, and would therefore never really go through with such a ridiculous idea. It’s all just to test the reaction of his viewers i guess. Anyhow, his car in the end, he could turn it into a pretty canoe, or set in on fire if he feels so inclined, i guess..
@@namibgtv6 Yeah, it was aimed more at the guy who's already had the Ferrari conversion done, than Jack. No offence to Jack, but I don't think he's got £75k kicking about to do an electric conversion just for RUclips views, and also prepared to sacrifice £60k+ worth of 308 in the process. It's financial suicide for the majority. 20 years ago it was all "convert your ICE to liquid gas"... in another 10 it will probably be hydrogen fuel cells or Mr. Fusion & a flux capacitor!
No classic deserves to be converted to electric - the ultimate insult to historically important artifacts. Even VW Beetles and Fiat 500's need to stay more or less original. Has the world gone mad?
Thanks for another great video, Jack. Curious, though, about your remark that the 308 motor is not one of Ferrari's best. Sure, it's not the Colombo V12 or the screaming 5-valve V8 of the 355, but 3 liter V8 sustained Ferrari from the mid-70's up to 1989 (in its 3.2 form). From that I'd say it's one of their more successful powerplants. I'm biased, though, as I think the motor on my Mondial 3.2 is glorious :)
The way I'd look at it is you could have your car plus repairs etc and it might cost say £50,000 all in, that leaves maybe £40,000 for fuel and tyres. That's a lot of fun with a nice exhaust note!! Lol
That's an astronomical cost for a technology that isn't nearly developed enough and hasn't yet got the infrastructure to support it. I struggle to see how we're going to develop cost effective, practical electric vehicles by 2030 with acceptable environmental footprints, which certainly they don't have at the moment. Of course we need to move away from fossil fuels, but why electric? What about hydrogen? Interesting video, as always 🙂
You do understand that hydrogen cars are electric right? The hydrogen fuel cell takes the place of the rechargable lithium cells to produce the electricity.
@@simong6855 I was referring to hydrogen gas, which works in a similar was to lpg in combustion engines. It's not a problem free (extraction from H2O for example) but it's far less of a dramatic change than converting to electricity. Plus, the only bi-product is water!
The price though eyewatering seems about right, for all of that unique engineering. My only concern is how much room the whole business takes. It renders the car to a simple day tripper. Forget an overnight or weekend bag. Where would you put it?
I like how "non-committal" he was on costing, I think it's more like " how deep is this chap's pockets. They'd have a real good idea on price, but play the game of "how much can the market bear"...
Price is "about right" yes, but it makes no sense. Would be a bit like paying 100 million pounds to power your house with a very small nuclear plant, again the price would be "about right" but what would be the point of it?
I think: For cars where the engine is a big part of the cars ’soul’ - like almost any italian car (bar maybe a classic Fiat 500/600) it’s better to keep the engine & wait for the CO2-neutral fuels. For cars where the engine isn’t really The Thing, like a 2CV or an old Porsche 356, it’d be a different matter. As usual you’ve done the right choice! Another reason not to jump the gun is of course the speed the electric drivetrains develop now, in 5years it’d be old already. (Goes for any new electric car too of course)
I think the engine is a thing on any car. Just wait till 99% of what’s on the roads is silent - that 2-pot engine will then have a character that you’ll crave.
Would be such a shame to castrate such a beautiful classic like that.. a Ferrari is mostly about that wonderful engine.. Anyhow, your car, your choice.. you could hang it from a tree, or paint it pink if you choose so..
I’ve recently had a Jaguar XJC restored and seriously considered going electric but the costs just do not add up. Like you I was quoted north of £70k against the cost of just over £7k to recondition the engine. There is no road tax for a classic, so same advantage as a modern electric car and frankly the mileage most people cover in their classics cars does not warrant the extra investment. I had a 90% restoration done on my car for way less than than an electric conversion. If you do not like the Ferrari engine I would suggest you change it for a more reliable modern engine which would be way cheaper than going electric.
When I was a teenager in the late 70s/early 80s one of my friends Dad had two 308s at the same time…a GTB and GTS. Both were company cars which after 3 years became his own property….but that’s another story. This biggest thing I remember about being in the cars was the sound of opening those engines up! Surely, the loss of that noise would totally spoil the experience of the car.
Interesting how fast things are moving with the tech. I wonder how much you’d get for the Ferrari ICE internals as a downpayment towards conversion? Personally I’d be waiting a year or two for the tech to start to plateau, the experience to be more technologically analogue and costs to improve.
As eye-watering as those costs are, remember that if you actually did this conversion, you could offset it by selling that lump of an engine for an amazing amount of money. You are right that it is FAR from Ferrari's best engine, but it's still a Ferrari engine and it'll fetch a significant sum.
the only thing i would miss when changing from a typewriter to a laptop would be the key-stroke of the mechanical keyboard. the typewriter is so precise, such a pleasure to write...... i will stay with my typewriter 2024 🙂
Musk has hypnotised everyone, more effort needs to be put in to hydrogen internal combustion - much better for the environment but just needs the know how. You would still be able to listen to the V8 rumble and the only emission would be water. Have a look at the work that JCB are doing.
Your right, and not the first to mention this, personally I think battery power is a short term option, the future probably is hydrogen. There is no way the UK could cope with a few million battery cars on the road, the national grid would go into melt down.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 from water? It isn't easy to extract hydrogen from H2O but it's proving quite successful in California and JCB have developed hydrogen engines for their machines as electric motors are just not practical.
Isn't a problem that to get hydrogen, you have to refine something, & by doing that, it takes far more energy to make the refined 'fuel', than what you get out? Also, an engine will still need oils & lubricants, & brakes wont be able to re-gen, whilst still giving off dust. I don't think anyone really has the solution at the moment, due to where we are with technology.
@@eze8970 You're right, but the environmental impact of producing electric cars, and in particular their batteries, is huge. Not to mention the fact that we burn fossil fuels to make the electricity. Madness! Also, synthetic oils and lubricants are already available
It's good to see a figure quoted (well nearly quoted) for this type of conversion, and as expected it's not exactly pocket money! I guess some people are just very fortunate to be able to throw circa £100K at a car which will already have lightened their wallets quite a bit and the great thing about it is it means I don't even have to waste time considering it. A good thing to remember is that the value of the car being converted will have little bearing on the cost, just the amount of batteries and, presumably, the size of the motor/power output so even a much smaller car will cost a good chunk of this amount. I believe I've heard Moggy mention £20K as the starting point for conversion which would be a small car (Beetle/Fiat 500) with enough battery to give you less then 100 mile range. I couldn't make the math's work on that either. Had to chuckle at the way it started by the way, "At the moment you've got the V8 in there, that has all got to come out" you see I never realised that!
Be interesting to know what the batteries do to weight distribution, C of G height and polar inertia - ie could the car retain good handling and still have reasonable range? I guess with the Tesla motor it would be a lot quicker than on petrol which might compensate for the quiet progress. When is someone going to start selling noise synthesisers to make a nice V8 burble or V12 howl for electric cars??
Cool. My take away from this is that electric cars are going the same way as our phones. That is, battery pack you had, no longer available. Requires a complete redesign and re-installation to get the current batteries to fit. New charge controller required. New batteries, new power controller required. All to refresh your cars capacity. Basically at a cost that it will be cheaper to bin the whole car and buy something else, much like we do with our phones. I wouldn't be surprised that upgrading your phone will inadvertently not be compatible with the cars onboard software at some point meaning you'll need to keep an old phone to bluetooth to it to facilitate connecting to the onboard system monitoring computer. Far from being 'green' and saving the raw materials the planet has, the electric car is going to demand more and more as more becomes incompatible and is simply landfilled with the 'constantly evolving technology' much like our wonderful 'green' phones that now adays has no replaceable battery within. And if you can, much as this guy said, "We have to change the Tesla controller because we can't talk to it." the onboard computer will like Apple phones, check to see if its a genuine manufacturer battery before it'll let you use it, thus shutting out third party manufacturing, or put another way, competition that forces a lower price point to the consumer. Number 27 already has this Ferrari so the cost of conversion is an additional £70k. For that he could buy another 2 308's meaning he's got three. Three times the trouble but would now be able to bring us three times the RUclips content
Interesting. I ran some numbers when I swapped out my Marcos' engine and it was coming to £30k for a shed built leaf conversion. I opted for the 'race spec' rover v8 as a last hurrah. Give me 5 or ten years of that and it'll definitely be going elec!
Love the Marcos .my uncle had a very early wood. Chassis one still remember the drop off the sill into the seat.. and the view forward only equaled by an early E type. My favourite was a concourse Mantula 😎🇬🇧 i saw at a kit car show back in the heyday. Its a great pity the E tech is so expensive still its counterproductive to what needs to be happening. William Towns saw it back with his Micro Dot self charging E runabout. One of the Midas Gold's or the Quantum saloons would be a superb conversion platforms. Having both the strength aerodynamics and light wt. to turn modest power systems into something quite 🔥😎
@@domtdoodar99 Im guessing but a lot comes down to where you live and whats available at the time... Even three or four years ago there just wasnt the availability of donor vehicles and supporting conversion parts. 🤷🏻♂️ .... Im a life long kit car fan it would be perfect sense to convert a old RWD Ford based utility vehicle like the Dutton Sierra or Rickman ranger to E power using a direct drive motor axel conversion...but it's not going to economical to do still.
like putting a seemingly agreeable rover v8 into a stag - seems to make sense.....But, you rob the car of its soul, that organic whoofly melodious, creamy unique Stag V8
Although I am more of a purist, I do love your honest and personal perspective and the way you put your arguments forward. Frankly "you" would win me over...Cheers, Ruud (Holland)
It’s really interesting from an engineering perspective, but for me that’s where the interest ends. I don’t see what people would get out of driving a converted classic over a new electric car - why not just transform the latter with a body kit and leave the original to be worth something to someone else in a few years? Also, what happens when major components like the battery need to be replaced? Already in the time that this company has been at this they have had to redesign around new components. Is it a major conversion each time?
Yeh, the layout of an ICE car doesn't allow for decent battery placement so you get poor range, power and handling compared to a new car on a BEV specific platform
@@whyIsItSoLoud If you follow Electric Classic Cars on YT you will see that they usually end up improving weight distribution despite some inevitable compromises. Power is invariably increased over the original car... and they do the conversion in such a way that you can put the original engine and drive train back in the car and go back to original if you wanted to in the future. If you're rich enough (mad enough?) and want a Ferrari as a daily driver rather than a once a month toy it does have some things in its favour!
The sound of your 308, with that flat plane crank V8, would be sorely missed in my opinion. It just sounds great. The acceleration performance of an electric vehicle is amazing though.
Pretty sure you're going for the "wind up" effect, with this one.. I actually don't mind EV's, to a certain extent. And you can decide for yourself, whether you feel their 'carbon footprint' is any less than a gas powered auto. But to convert a classic, or any car that has 'heart and sole', or even a kit car that has the look of a classic or exotic...absolutely baffles me!! Driving a nicer car, that has a quality sound to it, is 100% the entire experience! Feeling the sound....hearing the revs....experiencing the living creature! Why would anyone want to amputate that???? An EV is perfectly fine.. if it's in a toaster shaped vehicle. Designed to get you from Point A, to Point B. Or if you want to show people your silent 0 to 60....which is rather boring, after the first few times.
Although the figures quoted are "ball park"..... I can get a massive amount of mileage out of a P5B with my current and/or projected annual use. If the costs were IRO £10K..... different matter. Great insight and knowledge has been taken on board here. Thank you for sharing this 👍.
Boyo forgot to mention it also comes with a sheep fitted in the boot ...this is handy if Sir gets over excited by the sound of the electric motor...one can simply pull over anywhere in Wales and give it a damned good seeing to. ..so yes 95K starts to make sense.
It’s a great idea to convert considering some parts are difficult to find. One old car’s engine bay interior was burnt down. It’s time for a change. EV maybe one of those changes.
There is a way to do the conversion and keep the manual transmission. You would sacrifice some power because a motor with torque equal to Tesla's Model S motor would destroy the Ferrari OEM trans unless the amps and ramp-up was dialed down. The price seems a bit high, although perhaps it is because you are in Europe. You can buy the Tesla drive train from EV West (in California) for about $12,000 and the batteries are somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000. You have cables, DC-DC converter, gauges, and a few other minor minor components but you are still in the neighborhood of $35,000. With labor I think about $50,000 is reasonable. Not cheap, but considerably cheaper than $75,000. You could ship the car back and forth from California and still come in under that. The guys at EV West did a fire salvaged F-308 conversion. Check it out on their RUclips channel. Last I heard there was a two year waiting list for their services though.
Here in France the government is giving help between 2500-5000euro for retro-fit. The average price according to them is apparently 18’000euro to do it. I took my Defender in for a quote. 77k!!! Friend quoted over 100k on a classic 911. A modern Mini cost 52k. And that’s with them keeping the parts they take out!
Hiya Jack. Quick thought - nobody mentioned the range the wee beasty would have after the conversion. My main issue with electric cars has always been the sustainability - not just with the replacement of the batteries every X years, but also the raw materials available to make the batteries as well as the generation of the power to charge them. Here in New Zealand, we have one of the highest rates of car ownership in the world. There are 5m of us and there are something like 4.4m cars registered every year in the NZ fleet. Considering that at least a fifth of our population is under the eligible driving age of sixteen, that's an average of 1.1 vehicles for every person aged 16 and older, regardless of whether they own one or not. If every vehicle was converted to electricity......somehow I do not believe I would be able to write this wee post on your vid from the comfort of my armchair! If it were just a case of restricting new car sales to electric and waiting until the modern fossil-fuelled vehicles grow old and retire, that would be similar to the people enforcing this mandate believing that the current classic, vintage and veteran vehicles can retire with them - let alone any of the current fleet that make it to classic status. I note that it appears that many governments seem to have lost the ability to see classic and older vehicles as something to be cherished.....but let's sit politics over in the corner where it belongs. Other than the cost of retrofitting, most classic vehicle owners I know are more concerned about the lack of range in the electric vehicles. I have never understood why someone has not fitted a simple generator or alternator to supplement the draw on the battery pack's ergs. When a car with an alternator is running, the alternator can provide all necessary power - even with a battery that is doing the impression of a doorstop and not taking a charge. Using an electric motor to get you off the line and the armature turning fast enough to engage the charge circuit - wherein it flicks over and stops charging the battery and just runs the car off the alternator - sounds so simplistic to me that I cannot understand why it has not been done. Charging the full whack on the battery would only have to be done once a week (instead of daily in most cases) and the range would only be diminished by stop-start traffic and the number of lights and stop signs between home and destination. Also, if there were a way to enable the alternator to charge the battery pack with the alternator without decreasing the battery pack's lifespan, then why not use it for that too? Then the cost. You paid something like 32k pounds for the Influenzo.....but the conversion will cost more than twice as much as that to fit a motor that will not give you the sound nor gearing that makes the car such a delight to drive. I'm sorry mate, but I don't see the attraction at all. What is the cost of a fully rebuilt Ferrari 308 engine? I know it will be expensive, but I don't see it in the 75-90k range somehow..... Until conversions become about a tenth of the current cost (says the owner of two Triumphs and a Mini) and give me the range of 250 miles minimum, I'm really not interested in them. The dubious benefit gained by converting a petroleum-driven classic vehicle is far outweighed by the lack of practicality, cost, sustainability and the reason I bought my classics to begin with. A MPEG soundtrack playing in the background will never replace the rumble, burble, growl, snarl and roar of a Stag V8, a 2500cc straight six or a 1275cc A-series engine.....nor the fun of chucking any of them through the gears and setting myself up for the next corner with a wrist-flick at the gear stick, pump of the clutch and gauging when to turn by the note she is singing..................ever!
Would be interesting to find out what you would get $ wise for the Ferrari engine, gear box and everything that gets removed from the car and take that off the cost of the conversion…
another issue with real classic cars..batteries degrade over time even when not used..a ICE does not degrade over time, if its turned over even now and then..I drive early 1930's cars and the engine still runs 90 years later..doubt a Tesla will run 90 years later on the original battery pack
I can't help but feel that the heart and soul of any car is its motor - especially a sports / performance machine. Otherwise, we may as well all just get milk floats and stick bodykits on them - as let's face it, that's what they are. And as for the cost both financially and in respect of the carbon footprint and emissions... well, no electric machine is zero carbon is it - the manufacturing process kills that, then there's electricity generation which is yet to be realised cleanly.. and 70k?? The Ferrari would no longer be a Ferrari 🤨
The conversion thought is a very cool one, but for a car like this, a 10 to 20 K conversion would make sense or a little less if he chose a dc motor. The dc motor, because of its rpm limitations would necessitate the retention of the gearbox and therefore, a bit more driver engagement.
I would like an electric car but a classic one like those from the beginning of the 20th century with a mechanical commutator. They had low power but sounded better and it was worth having a gearbox because of their low power to go faster than 50 km/h. It's a pity that no one produces such engines anymore. They were also much larger in size compared to the power. You could see how they worked and "sparked" through the holes that were for cooling the commutator.
The principle is great but I would want to keep the main character of the car concerned. I would love an electric DS but the suspension/brakes/steering system would have to be kept. That's what makes that car so unique. I think any conversion needs to take that idea into account. Then there is, of course the matter of cost. It's a lot of money.
The difference in practice is you would be going from a car that you use rarely and requires a LOT of maintainance to a car that you could easily be driving every day, handles better, goes faster, is MUCH cheaper to run, needs very little maintainance and still turns heads just as much if not more than it does in original trim. If you can afford it it's a no brainer.
Interesting idea although not something I would do at that cost, also to my mind the second most important question after cost is what is the actual range given by the build?
Every car is the sum of its parts which defines its character. Apart from the fact that EV’s are not environmentally friendly to produce amongst numerous other negatives, the end result is not a Ferrari, it’s a Ferrari without heart and soul. I’ve done many miles in a 308, a 308 EV is just a food mixer.
Better idea. Buy a model 3, any of them, and keep the Ferrari as is. It’s a cheaper option and you get an extra car!!! I just got a model 3 SR+. Even that one is astonishingly quick and it’s probably around 40 grand.
Manual shifting gives a diver a better driving experience. I think the whole reason you have this Ferrari is that you enjoy tinkering with the engine and you love the manual driving experience. I wish many of these supercar manufactures are more concerned with their paddle shifting with their double clutches in getting a the lowest 0-60 times. I don’t care about having the best 0-60 time. I have a 430 and I enjoy the manual shifting of my transmission on winding country or mountain roads. Paddle shifting to me is like driving an automatic transmission car. I know they are faster than a manual shifting car but like I mention before it is not a concern of mine. I wish supercar manufacturers like Ferrari would bring back a manual transmission as an option for their new cars. I think Lotus is the only manufacturer doing that right now.
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In a nutshell, this only makes financial sense to someone who has more money than sense.
That's a good way of putting it
Or more dollars than cents! :-)
In todays economy - doing the right thing is often going to come with a higher price than the alternative... But sure... I absolutely understand if someone can't do it for financial reasons. I'm in a similar situation myself. I want to use my money to be able to change career. That means that I can't buy a Tesla Model 3. So unfortunately I'll have to make do with a ~2015 Manual VW Golf Station wagon that I almost completely run on methane from recycled organic waste (which is widely available in the European country that I live in)... But hey, all things considered it's still a completely ok car...
totally agree
For 50k conversion with used parts... you could buy both cars new, that they're getting the used parts from. Very odd. Must be 1k$/h labor cost or something...
I've always felt an electric conversion of a DeLorean makes so much sense... The DeLorean is such an iconic car, yet it's known the engine was total rubbish and without merit. I'd love a well sorted electric DeLorean. It would even resemble the Tesla truck in car guise too :)
Totally agree. The DeLorean’s motor contributed nothing to its fame. I would convert one to an EV and install a Flux Capacitor … for extra HP!!!
Makes perfect sense 👍
I agree
It's been done already ruclips.net/video/A6yTNvl-s-Y/видео.html
That would take it ‘Back To The Future’!
to be honest, i personally think that EV conversions are a great way to keep our classic cars surviving way past ourselves.
That's what im thinking too. I have a lot of friends that are into cars or mechanics but i've never gotten into them. Then i started reading about old classic cars and all the love, quality and human effort that has gone into these cars. But also just the vibe and look of old mercedes and volvos that my friends have. Only issue with those always has to do with the fuel ineffiency and the decline of combustion engines. My dream is to have one of those old cool looking cruisers but without all the (to me) unimportant fluff of the engine...
@@kimvette1 no it cant cause they become heavy and handle like shit. theres nothing positive in ev at all in al old car like this
Of course 😊 the only way that is possible anytime 🍻
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I Agree but it has to become a lot cheaper. It shouldn’t be long until some Chinese company starts selling these kits for cheap
Cost aside. I think it would be classed as sacrilege for most. Converting an old saloon or mass produced classic seems to be acceptable ,where the driving experience never really mattered may be considered ok ,but a Ferrari ? where the driving connection ,engine sound, handling quirks ,gear shift and overall feeling of the beast is what makes it dynamic to drive would be a mistake big time. Very happy to hear you have declined from such a path.
I agree, it is a sacrilege! If it get done I will unsubscripe from the channel!!!!
How about a W124 widebody alike the 500E electric.
Much better than a 308
I agree but if you had enough cash to just do it to see what it would be like, you probably would, right? I was a little shocked seeing the classics they had in there. Maybe their engines are buggered so they decided why not.
I don't think it's sacrilege. He drove the electric version of this car and he seemed to really like it. Doing it on a concourse level classic Ferrari would be sacrilege or on most any v12 Ferrari.
Had to switch off in view of the offensive nature of the conversion. Thought this crude behaviour was limited to the US.
£70k to convert? And destroy the value of the car? It's a no-brainer don't do it!
A classic car conversion makes no sense whatsoever.
First a classic car is an occasional car. More than likely at the weekend which will maybe do 2-4k miles a year.
Second a classic car has character of its own. The throaty carbs, the throttle response and the engine responding behind to your inputs, the feeling as you drive through the gears, the sound of the exhaust reverberating behind you, the smell of the oil etc.
The costs involved are astronomical as you'll a never going to get your money back from cheap electricity vs 90k invested. You'll never drive it enough!!
Buy a Tesla for your daily if you want but a classic absolutely pointless!!
A classic car makes no sense at all either. You'd do this because you really want to enjoy the results, just like you pay over the odds for "transport" in a Ferrari when a Toyota Yaris will do a similar job.
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Then I'm guessing you're not a car fan!
@@markwalton8644 you guess wrong and you completely miss the point i'm making. it's a personal choice as to how much you want to spend on a car in whatever form. You could lose 70k in depreciation on some cars so how does spending 70k on a conversion "make no sense whatsoever"?
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Sorry I misconstrued what you are saying.
Yes a Classic car will gaining value, then to spend 70+k , on the conversion only to completely devalue your classic.
The only time this would make sense is if you could no longer buy petrol or a fuel to power it!!
@@markwalton8644 You're being an idiot. A classic car has nothing to do with economics. It's spending money for the pleasure it brings and, for some, that includes EV conversions.
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I saw the shock in your eyes Jack! You can’t hide it well enough! Hahaha
I'll grudgingly accept some of the conversions of old limousines to electric propulsion, (they're about quiet), but the march of the milk-floats into "driving pleasure" territory is rather depressing.
I have zero interest in EV’s.
The sound of the engine would be most missed.
He can put it on a cassette 😂
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Wow, am I the only one who was massively underestimating the costs involved? I can’t believe anyone does these conversions, keep the V8 and buy a Tesla! Crazy money
It's because they rip you off. And using Tesla parts is the most expensive option. Nice show off value. Nice empty bank account. There are cheaper parts you can use
Only those who've never run a proper engineering business. This is for a bespoke one off build, not a kit that they make hundreds of. There is significant design effort, bespoke skilled operator fabrication time, all of which has to be fit for purpose and safe to use on the road. Not cheap but nothing good is, and this companies work is of a very high standard.
Yeah I thought the same thing. Cheaper buying a Tesla. These guys are rip offs. I know a acquaintance that converted a Audi a5 for under $15,000
@@pepip1000 they are definitely rip offs
@@pepip1000 did they do the conversion themselves and do you know what motor / battery config was used?
So more than the cost of a properly developed electric car, to have an inferior "solution" that you would constantly have to explain to people and make excuses for?
Great point.
Apart from eco peeps everyone would ask “why?”
Are you f*ckin’ kidding? After all that effort getting that lump to work!?
That is my gut reaction. I will watch the video now.
Uh.... he is just making YT content. Don't panic.
I feel as time goes on that battery technology will just improve out of site, also the layout and constructed will change to make an electric car better and cheaper, than it is today and that also applies to conversions. So, to convert now maybe a bit of a premature decision as I am sure better alternatives are just around the corner. The all electric car world is still 14years away, a lot can happen between now and then. So, lets enjoy the beautiful old classics for what they are today. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
As long as there is no chopping up the frame at all AND the original parts are oiled up and put aside, I could live with it.
An electric Ferrari is like making out with one's own sister. You can do it but something is seriously wrong with you if you do.
That is an outrageous price ( £95,000 ) for the conversion. The heartbeat of that car is the engine and gear change.
yup, especially since you can DIY your own EV Conversion for $5K ruclips.net/video/KHAEuOekAz8/видео.html
@Colin Gregson you have got to be kidding us, you do realize the nonsense of the squarish shaped Volvos of the 80s being the safest car on the road were completely and utterly debunked, THEY LIED !!! and they are lying now about EVs, but I don't care what people think I luv electric cars, they were around before gasoline powered cars and at one point there were more electrics 100 years ago than gas powered ones, and we are heading for that again, YES !!!
@Colin Gregson what does that have to do with the price of tea in China, my point was that Volvo lied.
My eyes nearly fell out of their sockets when the price was eventually squeezed out of the company owner.
Them dam Huel adverts are doing my head in.
Starling Bank drives me up the wall.
What a cool company! I love stuff like this, I’m going to start up my own business converting Tesla’s to massive V8 petroleum power ………. I think I’m onto a winner!😂😂
Great video Jack 👍
I think you could well be right! In five or ten years time today's Tesla will be outdated and worthless, an ideal candidate for an upgrade!
Come on! Don’t be silly.
A V12 Tesla please😂😂😂
Check out Rich Rebuilds v8 Tesla
@@rsole65 will do, cheers!
@@PeteCourtier I was saving the V12 for my Prius line up! 👍😂
As Enzo said… ‘the car is just somewhere for the engine to go’ I’m paraphrasing a bit but you get what i mean… the one thing I dislike about electric vehicles is the lack of any noise.. yes they are fast.. but they sound like a bloody milk float.. very disconcerting. Even if it was £20k to change the drivetrain I wouldn’t. It’s a Ferrari!!!
Let’s save the cars with character for when the rest of the world is humming around pretending they are saving the earth!!
I have spoken !!😀😀😀
Yes, electric vehicles are "just transport", easier than walking.
The 308 is a mobile piece of art built to stimulate the senses.
Do you think in a parallel universe somewhere, they made battery powered vehicles first, and then some oil burners 30 years later. Someone is saying, “these petrol engines are fast but they sound like a milk float” as f1 cars in their world were electric and milk floats little oil burners….
Ie are we conditioned to think electric cars sound like milk floats and petrol cars like race cars as that’s what fast cars have sounded like, maybe if petrol was the new thing and formula E had been around 70 years people would be saying these new petrol engines are fast but they are very uncooth in their sound 🤣🤷♂️🤣
@@stu4181 That would be a terrible world!!😂😂
@@oohmeconkers1968 they’d probably
Think mullets were fashionable as well🤣
@@stu4181 probably you're right, that'll be the planet called "Musk", he's from another universe.
Just imagine spending £70,000+ on an electric conversion, then finding out it cuts out every time you turn right! 😂
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Rottie. Brilliant mate! 😁👍
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An interesting insight into the electric mod process. I am glad it makes no financial sense for your car since, properly set up, the carb 308 engine is a thing of joy. It may only have 230-ish BHP but its response and multi-faceted sound is wonderful, and so suited to that very physical but rewarding gearbox and pedals. Now I'll have to go away and play some of the old track day videos!
I also noticed the replica Countach shell up on the racking. Given how much the charisma of a Countach comes from its engine that must be an even worse idea than gutting a carb 308!
Nothing like the sound of the intake on a 308 carburettor model, the noise from eight separate butter flies and eight cylinders.
There is a CRX with duel Nissan Leaf motors in it... they can produce 300bhp when tuned...
Sorry guys, but the racket of dinosaurs screaming in a Ferrari leaves me flat. I'd never want to own one. But if one was converted to EV and it came my way, then I'd jump at the chance to drive it. The looks are great, and that counts for a lot to me.
Incidentally, Ferrari is the Italian equivalent name to Smith. 😉 The sound of metal being forged comes to mind.
Could not be more violently opposed to a conversion than this. Like the Python pet shop sketch turning a cat into a fish, pure madness with no humour at all.
Those figures are an absolute joke
Agree, a Tela Plaid is just over a £100 000. I suppose when money doesn't matter...
@@gsxrmh A Tesla small motor subframe suspension you can get that for about £2500 and sell what you don't need... Battery packs, there are already people in Europe making 18650 cell type replacement modules for the Nissan Leaf... so it`s not impossible to build you own pack...
So let me just see if i got this right. Take a very decent looking (and considerably valuable) classic Ferrari, have it ripped to bits, and consequently remove any value that it might have, and pay 70000+ pounds to have that done?? WHAT? Can’t believe any person in his right mind would see that through. Maybe if the classic in question was a Fiat 500, or a VW bug, or mostly anything that was somewhat dreary to start off with.. BUT A FERRARI?? You’ve lost me there..
I’d say no to converting a Beetle. The rumbling flat four is a defining characteristic that shouldn’t be taken away. Electrify a classic Rolls Royce, fine as it’s meant to be quiet so not taken away something that makes the car what it is.
Not only that, but in a few years time, when the batteries are shot, he's screwed because they have no equivalent replacement... they're already obsolete! What happens then, get your cheque book out and give them another £35k+? 🙄
@@MrMairu555 i absolutely agree. Well, Jack seems to be a smart bloke, and i am sure he knows exactly what the Influenzo is worth, and would therefore never really go through with such a ridiculous idea. It’s all just to test the reaction of his viewers i guess. Anyhow, his car in the end, he could turn it into a pretty canoe, or set in on fire if he feels so inclined, i guess..
@@namibgtv6 Yeah, it was aimed more at the guy who's already had the Ferrari conversion done, than Jack. No offence to Jack, but I don't think he's got £75k kicking about to do an electric conversion just for RUclips views, and also prepared to sacrifice £60k+ worth of 308 in the process. It's financial suicide for the majority. 20 years ago it was all "convert your ICE to liquid gas"... in another 10 it will probably be hydrogen fuel cells or Mr. Fusion & a flux capacitor!
No classic deserves to be converted to electric - the ultimate insult to historically important artifacts. Even VW Beetles and Fiat 500's need to stay more or less original. Has the world gone mad?
Thanks for another great video, Jack. Curious, though, about your remark that the 308 motor is not one of Ferrari's best. Sure, it's not the Colombo V12 or the screaming 5-valve V8 of the 355, but 3 liter V8 sustained Ferrari from the mid-70's up to 1989 (in its 3.2 form). From that I'd say it's one of their more successful powerplants. I'm biased, though, as I think the motor on my Mondial 3.2 is glorious :)
Wow! A Ferrari with no noice and no smoke, perfect!
And no Ferrari maintenance...
You can add the flow master engine/exhaust sound duplicator and no one could tell the difference.
The way I'd look at it is you could have your car plus repairs etc and it might cost say £50,000 all in, that leaves maybe £40,000 for fuel and tyres. That's a lot of fun with a nice exhaust note!! Lol
I was gonna say, “You’ve come such a long way on this engine. Why convert to electric now?” Great job on this old 308, as always.
That's an astronomical cost for a technology that isn't nearly developed enough and hasn't yet got the infrastructure to support it. I struggle to see how we're going to develop cost effective, practical electric vehicles by 2030 with acceptable environmental footprints, which certainly they don't have at the moment. Of course we need to move away from fossil fuels, but why electric? What about hydrogen?
Interesting video, as always 🙂
You do understand that hydrogen cars are electric right? The hydrogen fuel cell takes the place of the rechargable lithium cells to produce the electricity.
@@simong6855 wrong
@@simong6855 I was referring to hydrogen gas, which works in a similar was to lpg in combustion engines. It's not a problem free (extraction from H2O for example) but it's far less of a dramatic change than converting to electricity. Plus, the only bi-product is water!
Where did you mention the battery capacity? I only heard about the charging time, but that is also very related to the battery size.
Nice to see the BMW E9 shell lurking in the background. Chin and roof hoop spoiler suggest something very nice! 🙂
The price though eyewatering seems about right, for all of that unique engineering. My only concern is how much room the whole business takes. It renders the car to a simple day tripper. Forget an overnight or weekend bag. Where would you put it?
@Joshua Langley I would use that for a Diesel Generator, so I dont need to charge the EV. lol
I like how "non-committal" he was on costing, I think it's more like " how deep is this chap's pockets. They'd have a real good idea on price, but play the game of "how much can the market bear"...
Price is "about right" yes, but it makes no sense. Would be a bit like paying 100 million pounds to power your house with a very small nuclear plant, again the price would be "about right" but what would be the point of it?
Batteries are getting more energy dense thus getting smaller so luggage is more more possible...
@@kylereese4822 Not really, batteries will still be very heavy, and nowhere near the energy density of diesel or petrol.
I think:
For cars where the engine is a big part of the cars ’soul’ - like almost any italian car (bar maybe a classic Fiat 500/600) it’s better to keep the engine & wait for the CO2-neutral fuels.
For cars where the engine isn’t really The Thing, like a 2CV or an old Porsche 356, it’d be a different matter.
As usual you’ve done the right choice!
Another reason not to jump the gun is of course the speed the electric drivetrains develop now, in 5years it’d be old already.
(Goes for any new electric car too of course)
HEY, WAIT A MINUTE - ARE YOU DISSING THE CLASSIC FIAT 500?
@@davidorama6690 Haha not really, only the 2-potter! :)
I think the engine is a thing on any car. Just wait till 99% of what’s on the roads is silent - that 2-pot engine will then have a character that you’ll crave.
@@dungareesareforfools No its just a matter of taste. I'm in the Lampredi twincam-camp myself...
Gee get over co2 bull, that gas feeds plants and makes a better 02 atmosphere
Would be such a shame to castrate such a beautiful classic like that.. a Ferrari is mostly about that wonderful engine.. Anyhow, your car, your choice.. you could hang it from a tree, or paint it pink if you choose so..
Agreed it’s the engine that makes a Ferrari pretty much like all Italian cars .
I’ve recently had a Jaguar XJC restored and seriously considered going electric but the costs just do not add up. Like you I was quoted north of £70k against the cost of just over £7k to recondition the engine. There is no road tax for a classic, so same advantage as a modern electric car and frankly the mileage most people cover in their classics cars does not warrant the extra investment. I had a 90% restoration done on my car for way less than than an electric conversion. If you do not like the Ferrari engine I would suggest you change it for a more reliable modern engine which would be way cheaper than going electric.
Definitely convert that thing........308s are not precious. Or fast. But they might be the perfect donor vehicle.
I take my beautiful wife to the surgeon for a quote to see how much it would cost to cut out her heart and brain and replace them with robotics.
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When I was a teenager in the late 70s/early 80s one of my friends Dad had two 308s at the same time…a GTB and GTS. Both were company cars which after 3 years became his own property….but that’s another story. This biggest thing I remember about being in the cars was the sound of opening those engines up! Surely, the loss of that noise would totally spoil the experience of the car.
It would.. having said that this isn't Ferrari's best engine! thanks for watching Derin!
Interesting how fast things are moving with the tech. I wonder how much you’d get for the Ferrari ICE internals as a downpayment towards conversion? Personally I’d be waiting a year or two for the tech to start to plateau, the experience to be more technologically analogue and costs to improve.
Woah!! That was more than expected!
Dont rip the soul out of a good car... Tell the Globalists to keep their EVs.
If you went ahead and converted the InfluEnzo, one question would still remain ... where would Iain Tyrell stick his rubber tune-up hose? 😁😲
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As eye-watering as those costs are, remember that if you actually did this conversion, you could offset it by selling that lump of an engine for an amazing amount of money. You are right that it is FAR from Ferrari's best engine, but it's still a Ferrari engine and it'll fetch a significant sum.
No engines worth 75-90k??
How would it effect the insurance?
Does the price include fire extinguishers?
the only thing i would miss when changing from a typewriter to a laptop would be the key-stroke of the mechanical keyboard. the typewriter is so precise, such a pleasure to write...... i will stay with my typewriter 2024 🙂
Musk has hypnotised everyone, more effort needs to be put in to hydrogen internal combustion - much better for the environment but just needs the know how. You would still be able to listen to the V8 rumble and the only emission would be water. Have a look at the work that JCB are doing.
This!
Your right, and not the first to mention this, personally I think battery power is a short term option, the future probably is hydrogen.
There is no way the UK could cope with a few million battery cars on the road, the national grid would go into melt down.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 from water? It isn't easy to extract hydrogen from H2O but it's proving quite successful in California and JCB have developed hydrogen engines for their machines as electric motors are just not practical.
Isn't a problem that to get hydrogen, you have to refine something, & by doing that, it takes far more energy to make the refined 'fuel', than what you get out?
Also, an engine will still need oils & lubricants, & brakes wont be able to re-gen, whilst still giving off dust.
I don't think anyone really has the solution at the moment, due to where we are with technology.
@@eze8970 You're right, but the environmental impact of producing electric cars, and in particular their batteries, is huge. Not to mention the fact that we burn fossil fuels to make the electricity. Madness! Also, synthetic oils and lubricants are already available
It's good to see a figure quoted (well nearly quoted) for this type of conversion, and as expected it's not exactly pocket money! I guess some people are just very fortunate to be able to throw circa £100K at a car which will already have lightened their wallets quite a bit and the great thing about it is it means I don't even have to waste time considering it.
A good thing to remember is that the value of the car being converted will have little bearing on the cost, just the amount of batteries and, presumably, the size of the motor/power output so even a much smaller car will cost a good chunk of this amount. I believe I've heard Moggy mention £20K as the starting point for conversion which would be a small car (Beetle/Fiat 500) with enough battery to give you less then 100 mile range. I couldn't make the math's work on that either.
Had to chuckle at the way it started by the way, "At the moment you've got the V8 in there, that has all got to come out" you see I never realised that!
Converting a 308 to electric would literally make the car 3 times faster lol!
Was that a countach body on the top rack?
Be interesting to know what the batteries do to weight distribution, C of G height and polar inertia - ie could the car retain good handling and still have reasonable range? I guess with the Tesla motor it would be a lot quicker than on petrol which might compensate for the quiet progress. When is someone going to start selling noise synthesisers to make a nice V8 burble or V12 howl for electric cars??
They can give the car a better weight distribution.
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Was that a Countach body on the rack behind John? Do they get to keep the Ferrari engine/gearbox/exhaust or would they post it back to you? 😁
The whole point of this car, especially being a classic isn't the speed. It's the sound and the manual box
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Cool. My take away from this is that electric cars are going the same way as our phones.
That is, battery pack you had, no longer available. Requires a complete redesign and re-installation to get the current batteries to fit. New charge controller required. New batteries, new power controller required. All to refresh your cars capacity. Basically at a cost that it will be cheaper to bin the whole car and buy something else, much like we do with our phones. I wouldn't be surprised that upgrading your phone will inadvertently not be compatible with the cars onboard software at some point meaning you'll need to keep an old phone to bluetooth to it to facilitate connecting to the onboard system monitoring computer.
Far from being 'green' and saving the raw materials the planet has, the electric car is going to demand more and more as more becomes incompatible and is simply landfilled with the 'constantly evolving technology' much like our wonderful 'green' phones that now adays has no replaceable battery within. And if you can, much as this guy said, "We have to change the Tesla controller because we can't talk to it." the onboard computer will like Apple phones, check to see if its a genuine manufacturer battery before it'll let you use it, thus shutting out third party manufacturing, or put another way, competition that forces a lower price point to the consumer.
Number 27 already has this Ferrari so the cost of conversion is an additional £70k. For that he could buy another 2 308's meaning he's got three. Three times the trouble but would now be able to bring us three times the RUclips content
Interesting. I ran some numbers when I swapped out my Marcos' engine and it was coming to £30k for a shed built leaf conversion. I opted for the 'race spec' rover v8 as a last hurrah. Give me 5 or ten years of that and it'll definitely be going elec!
Love the Marcos .my uncle had a very early wood. Chassis one still remember the drop off the sill into the seat.. and the view forward only equaled by an early E type.
My favourite was a concourse Mantula 😎🇬🇧 i saw at a kit car show back in the heyday.
Its a great pity the E tech is so expensive still its counterproductive to what needs to be happening.
William Towns saw it back with his Micro Dot self charging E runabout.
One of the Midas Gold's or the Quantum saloons would be a superb conversion platforms.
Having both the strength aerodynamics and light wt. to turn modest power systems into something quite 🔥😎
How on earth did you get £30k for a shed built using leaf components, my e46 is costing £6k to convert diy using leaf components
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Im guessing but a lot comes down to where you live and whats available at the time...
Even three or four years ago there just wasnt the availability of donor vehicles and supporting conversion parts. 🤷🏻♂️ .... Im a life long kit car fan it would be perfect sense to convert a old RWD Ford based utility vehicle like the Dutton Sierra or Rickman ranger to E power using a direct drive motor axel conversion...but it's not going to economical to do still.
How about installing a reasonable cost V-8 engine?
I wouldn't recommend spending good money to ruin a good car. In 20 years we'll look back on E-conversions to cars like this as blasphemy
like putting a seemingly agreeable rover v8 into a stag - seems to make sense.....But, you rob the car of its soul, that organic whoofly melodious, creamy unique Stag V8
Although I am more of a purist, I do love your honest and personal perspective and the way you put your arguments forward. Frankly "you" would win me over...Cheers, Ruud (Holland)
Good video , well done!
I think I’m going to ha et to get a push bike
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Interested to know what the performance would be.
It’s really interesting from an engineering perspective, but for me that’s where the interest ends. I don’t see what people would get out of driving a converted classic over a new electric car - why not just transform the latter with a body kit and leave the original to be worth something to someone else in a few years?
Also, what happens when major components like the battery need to be replaced? Already in the time that this company has been at this they have had to redesign around new components. Is it a major conversion each time?
Yeh, the layout of an ICE car doesn't allow for decent battery placement so you get poor range, power and handling compared to a new car on a BEV specific platform
@@whyIsItSoLoud If you follow Electric Classic Cars on YT you will see that they usually end up improving weight distribution despite some inevitable compromises. Power is invariably increased over the original car... and they do the conversion in such a way that you can put the original engine and drive train back in the car and go back to original if you wanted to in the future. If you're rich enough (mad enough?) and want a Ferrari as a daily driver rather than a once a month toy it does have some things in its favour!
Is that a Countach body shell on the racks 6:53?!
The sound of your 308, with that flat plane crank V8, would be sorely missed in my opinion. It just sounds great. The acceleration performance of an electric vehicle is amazing though.
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Now a conversion to synthetic fuel (or Hydrogen if that’s even possible) would be interesting.
Any idea on range?
180 miles driven slowly..
Going electric on a car like that is like going to see an opera but whit out sound it will never have the same feeling and emotion
The good thing is that you can still obtain tetraethyl lead to add to petrol, so I'm using as much of it as I can. 🤷♂️
Pretty sure you're going for the "wind up" effect, with this one..
I actually don't mind EV's, to a certain extent. And you can decide for yourself, whether you feel their 'carbon footprint' is any less than a gas powered auto. But to convert a classic, or any car that has 'heart and sole', or even a kit car that has the look of a classic or exotic...absolutely baffles me!!
Driving a nicer car, that has a quality sound to it, is 100% the entire experience! Feeling the sound....hearing the revs....experiencing the living creature! Why would anyone want to amputate that????
An EV is perfectly fine.. if it's in a toaster shaped vehicle. Designed to get you from Point A, to Point B. Or if you want to show people your silent 0 to 60....which is rather boring, after the first few times.
Well said.
What happened to LPG ?
will be an interesting option in the future, when costs come down, for cars with dead or no engines.
One important point, what range would it have ?
Or did I miss that ?
Although the figures quoted are "ball park"..... I can get a massive amount of mileage out of a P5B with my current and/or projected annual use. If the costs were IRO £10K..... different matter.
Great insight and knowledge has been taken on board here. Thank you for sharing this 👍.
Boyo forgot to mention it also comes with a sheep fitted in the boot ...this is handy if Sir gets over excited by the sound of the electric motor...one can simply pull over anywhere in Wales and give it a damned good seeing to. ..so yes 95K starts to make sense.
How much will it cost for them to convert my Insignia?
It’s a great idea to convert considering some parts are difficult to find. One old car’s engine bay interior was burnt down. It’s time for a change. EV maybe one of those changes.
There is a way to do the conversion and keep the manual transmission. You would sacrifice some power because a motor with torque equal to Tesla's Model S motor would destroy the Ferrari OEM trans unless the amps and ramp-up was dialed down. The price seems a bit high, although perhaps it is because you are in Europe. You can buy the Tesla drive train from EV West (in California) for about $12,000 and the batteries are somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000. You have cables, DC-DC converter, gauges, and a few other minor minor components but you are still in the neighborhood of $35,000. With labor I think about $50,000 is reasonable. Not cheap, but considerably cheaper than $75,000. You could ship the car back and forth from California and still come in under that. The guys at EV West did a fire salvaged F-308 conversion. Check it out on their RUclips channel. Last I heard there was a two year waiting list for their services though.
Here in France the government is giving help between 2500-5000euro for retro-fit. The average price according to them is apparently 18’000euro to do it. I took my Defender in for a quote. 77k!!! Friend quoted over 100k on a classic 911. A modern Mini cost 52k. And that’s with them keeping the parts they take out!
Wait... there's a Countach body shell in the rafters... Jack, if that gets made into an EV, I'd love to see a review.
Hiya Jack. Quick thought - nobody mentioned the range the wee beasty would have after the conversion.
My main issue with electric cars has always been the sustainability - not just with the replacement of the batteries every X years, but also the raw materials available to make the batteries as well as the generation of the power to charge them.
Here in New Zealand, we have one of the highest rates of car ownership in the world. There are 5m of us and there are something like 4.4m cars registered every year in the NZ fleet. Considering that at least a fifth of our population is under the eligible driving age of sixteen, that's an average of 1.1 vehicles for every person aged 16 and older, regardless of whether they own one or not. If every vehicle was converted to electricity......somehow I do not believe I would be able to write this wee post on your vid from the comfort of my armchair!
If it were just a case of restricting new car sales to electric and waiting until the modern fossil-fuelled vehicles grow old and retire, that would be similar to the people enforcing this mandate believing that the current classic, vintage and veteran vehicles can retire with them - let alone any of the current fleet that make it to classic status. I note that it appears that many governments seem to have lost the ability to see classic and older vehicles as something to be cherished.....but let's sit politics over in the corner where it belongs.
Other than the cost of retrofitting, most classic vehicle owners I know are more concerned about the lack of range in the electric vehicles. I have never understood why someone has not fitted a simple generator or alternator to supplement the draw on the battery pack's ergs. When a car with an alternator is running, the alternator can provide all necessary power - even with a battery that is doing the impression of a doorstop and not taking a charge. Using an electric motor to get you off the line and the armature turning fast enough to engage the charge circuit - wherein it flicks over and stops charging the battery and just runs the car off the alternator - sounds so simplistic to me that I cannot understand why it has not been done. Charging the full whack on the battery would only have to be done once a week (instead of daily in most cases) and the range would only be diminished by stop-start traffic and the number of lights and stop signs between home and destination. Also, if there were a way to enable the alternator to charge the battery pack with the alternator without decreasing the battery pack's lifespan, then why not use it for that too?
Then the cost. You paid something like 32k pounds for the Influenzo.....but the conversion will cost more than twice as much as that to fit a motor that will not give you the sound nor gearing that makes the car such a delight to drive. I'm sorry mate, but I don't see the attraction at all. What is the cost of a fully rebuilt Ferrari 308 engine? I know it will be expensive, but I don't see it in the 75-90k range somehow.....
Until conversions become about a tenth of the current cost (says the owner of two Triumphs and a Mini) and give me the range of 250 miles minimum, I'm really not interested in them. The dubious benefit gained by converting a petroleum-driven classic vehicle is far outweighed by the lack of practicality, cost, sustainability and the reason I bought my classics to begin with. A MPEG soundtrack playing in the background will never replace the rumble, burble, growl, snarl and roar of a Stag V8, a 2500cc straight six or a 1275cc A-series engine.....nor the fun of chucking any of them through the gears and setting myself up for the next corner with a wrist-flick at the gear stick, pump of the clutch and gauging when to turn by the note she is singing..................ever!
Just as long as they don't use Italian electrics for the conversion 😂
that why italians use german electrics in their cars :P
Interesting concept, gulp!
Would be interesting to find out what you would get $ wise for the Ferrari engine, gear box and everything that gets removed from the car and take that off the cost of the conversion…
another issue with real classic cars..batteries degrade over time even when not used..a ICE does not degrade over time, if its turned over even now and then..I drive early 1930's cars and the engine still runs 90 years later..doubt a Tesla will run 90 years later on the original battery pack
I can't help but feel that the heart and soul of any car is its motor - especially a sports / performance machine. Otherwise, we may as well all just get milk floats and stick bodykits on them - as let's face it, that's what they are. And as for the cost both financially and in respect of the carbon footprint and emissions... well, no electric machine is zero carbon is it - the manufacturing process kills that, then there's electricity generation which is yet to be realised cleanly.. and 70k?? The Ferrari would no longer be a Ferrari 🤨
You are correct, the cost did surprise me, I can't imagine anybody would get that done. £50k just for parts!!!!!!!
The conversion thought is a very cool one, but for a car like this, a 10 to 20 K conversion would make sense or a little less if he chose a dc motor. The dc motor, because of its rpm limitations would necessitate the retention of the gearbox and therefore, a bit more driver engagement.
I would like an electric car but a classic one like those from the beginning of the 20th century with a mechanical commutator. They had low power but sounded better and it was worth having a gearbox because of their low power to go faster than 50 km/h. It's a pity that no one produces such engines anymore. They were also much larger in size compared to the power. You could see how they worked and "sparked" through the holes that were for cooling the commutator.
The principle is great but I would want to keep the main character of the car concerned. I would love an electric DS but the suspension/brakes/steering system would have to be kept. That's what makes that car so unique. I think any conversion needs to take that idea into account. Then there is, of course the matter of cost. It's a lot of money.
Have you seen the 1950 Mark V Jaguar that superfastmatt did a EV conversion on? He was a former tesla engineer... if not do a search for it now.
The difference in practice is you would be going from a car that you use rarely and requires a LOT of maintainance to a car that you could easily be driving every day, handles better, goes faster, is MUCH cheaper to run, needs very little maintainance and still turns heads just as much if not more than it does in original trim. If you can afford it it's a no brainer.
I saw a new Porsche Taycan (electric vehicle). Looked amazing. I would rather one of those to retrofitting an older sports car.
Gearbox! I agree, my Morgan +4 with a Mazda MX5 gearbox is so beautiful
Do not convert a classic car to electric, I you want an electric car go and buy one, and sell your Ferrari cheap so that someone else can enjoy it!
yes cuñ dry faries
I am going to buy one of them cheap and convert it to electric.
Many classic cars will still be on the road in the future because of EV conversions.
95k, what a joke, you could buy 3 Ioniq 5s for that
A novelty for the rich, the price has got to get real before it becomes an important motivator when converting IC to EV.
Interesting idea although not something I would do at that cost, also to my mind the second most important question after cost is what is the actual range given by the build?
Every car is the sum of its parts which defines its character. Apart from the fact that EV’s are not environmentally friendly to produce amongst numerous other negatives, the end result is not a Ferrari, it’s a Ferrari without heart and soul. I’ve done many miles in a 308, a 308 EV is just a food mixer.
Thanks for that.
Better idea. Buy a model 3, any of them, and keep the Ferrari as is. It’s a cheaper option and you get an extra car!!! I just got a model 3 SR+. Even that one is astonishingly quick and it’s probably around 40 grand.
Manual shifting gives a diver a better driving experience. I think the whole reason you have this Ferrari is that you enjoy tinkering with the engine and you love the manual driving experience. I wish many of these supercar manufactures are more concerned with their paddle shifting with their double clutches in getting a the lowest 0-60 times. I don’t care about having the best 0-60 time. I have a 430 and I enjoy the manual shifting of my transmission on winding country or mountain roads. Paddle shifting to me is like driving an automatic transmission car. I know they are faster than a manual shifting car but like I mention before it is not a concern of mine. I wish supercar manufacturers like Ferrari would bring back a manual transmission as an option for their new cars. I think Lotus is the only manufacturer doing that right now.