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I have just stopped caring about the fragmentation discussion because it is something that we can't get rid of unless suddenly we wake up one day and find out Linux became proprietary.
@@stopspyingonme9210 I actually just realized that after watching this video because I never really cared about the lack of search feature. I hardly ever use it even on other operating systems. However, I think my overall point was that it's not application specific on vanilla Ubuntu, unlike many other distros.
This man giving nearly 18 minutes of straight facts. Something I've started doing for clarity is saying "Linux based operating systems" instead of "distributions" or "distros", because that's how Linux actually works.
As a user just dipping my toes into Linux, not really knowing too much, I’ve experienced a lot of toxicity from the Linux community. There are SO MANY people who have what seems like a superiority complex and instead of kindly answering questions they take the opportunity to be a passive-aggressive smartypants. I say this not to grift, but to express my experience. The Linux community I imagine is a large contributor to why people try it and then immediately go back to Windows.
Interesting comment. Thanks for making it. I think for every person who does have some type of "I'm just better than you for knowing something you don't" I think there are 20 no linux users who didn't spend five minutes looking for the answer, and don't like always answering questions that a couple minutes of duck duck go searching would solve the problem, or at least make the question... well a real question. More than passive-aggressive comments, I see more: "I am going to ask the question in a form that no one can answer without a long conversation, and will get mad and run away with my toys when people don't have a back and forth just for me to ask an answerable question". Of course there is both online, but linux makes you always ask "how much of the tools I use should I understand?" This is a moving target, and we have different striations of the community based on the answer to that question. And not knowing always comes at a cost... always. Even on windows :) This is compounded by a feeling that linux is a threat to profit motives, and might cause people to be even a little introspective (very dangerous these days), so we have large companies willing to use linux to run how we all connect, but my God if there is some feeling of diversity in how we use the tools we own :) In a world where people don't know how to change a tire, no wonder there are arguments online about cars :) Hope you stick with it. Linux has come a long way, but, unlike other ecosystems, it is honest of the responsibility of the user to learn something about what they do. #rantover
I think that the big thing that might solve the fragmentation issue in terms of helping beginners pick is to have more Linux-specific consumer hardware. People don't have to choose a distro if they have one already installed, which means they now have a nice entrypoint.
I know it's near impossible for the Linux community to agree on anything, but I'd like to think that if we had to choose a Linux-based OS to ship with most consumer laptops, a majority of us would agree that Linux Mint is probably the one to go with.
@@softwarelivre2389 I'd go with KDE stuff, notably because Tuxedo does that with their PCs, but I'd be down for Linux Mint if it meant simplifying things. Kubuntu might be a good option that I'd like.
@@jerryq27 Arch, KDE but make it so you can just update selected stuff that you want without any weird konsole mumbo jumbo... and make it so you can update whenever you please... nothing forced.
Discussing the choice is imo only half as relevant as having an affordable laptop widely available in stores where people go to buy some device, not only online for those who already want it specifically.
what i dislike is when you come in as a newbee and you ask a question you get yelled at that it has been asked many times and read the friggin manual or go search in the right places .... but as a newbee you do not know how to access the manuals or where to find answers or how to search in the right places ... in the time they yell at the newbee that couls just answered the question without alienate the new user to stay with linux .. that is the biggest problem
So one tip...( And I can easily instruction you on how to create a GUI launcher button for this) get comfy with the terminal command inxi -Fxxxmprz It's a decent half-ass way of someone remoting into your PC...BUT.. WITHOUT seeing any personally identifiable info. Looks good to those trying to help you as it is a way of proving you've at least read spmething. Again..all good vibes meant. Cheers
I agree that it's still a very good thing to point out. It's an important utility on a browser (probably the most used desktop software). You'd think it would get a bit more love. Still they get the job done!
The problem with fragmentation isn't that there are too many distros. The problem is that the difference between distros is absurdly trivial. Pick almost any distro you want and it's basically guaranteed to come with the same 3-4 web browsers, 2-3 different audio players, GIMP, Thunderbird, and a few other standard programs. Picking between them is hard because there is no real choice. Fragmentation is basically a myth. You do have some specialized distros, like Kali. But nobody has a hard time choosing those because it's clear what they offer. What does Mint give me that Ubuntu or Debian doesn't? The different distros are basically nothing but wallpaper packages for a standard set of Linux programs.
i love Arch.. because of its wiki.. the more documenation thats readly available and easy to follow for me the better. so i can avoid chapter 6 of your video entirely, and fend for myself. i've run the full gambit this last year, including fedora, and nobara, arco, and a slew of others.. i am now only running endeavouros , because it just works out of the box for me, and i have little to no issues configuring or using it. i do have dual boot with windows 10 for Tarkov and adobe (GIMP's fine, but i've been using photoshop since windows 3.11 lol). I think of all the other distros i tried Arco was the most fun, because i got to learn a good bit about i3 and tiling managers.. but sadly, i love gnome way way too much to leave it completely (sorry, not sorry). And i'm not talking VM installs, at one point i was multi booting up to 4 different OS's. you name a distro and i probably had it on here for a couple months at a time. If i had to choose a personal top 3.. EndeavourOS (honestly, one of; if not, the best Arch based distro IMO) Fedora and Nobara. Nobara is friggin amazing, but doesnt run right on my pc, similar to fedora, i think its wayland and my nvidia card, and theres no reason for me to switch to X11, when X11 in Endeavour already runs amazingly well. but gaming in nobara was actually better than in endeavour.. weird, i know. i'm looking for a Radeon card now tho, see how that goes. Pop_Os.. it too, just works and the user experience is quite smooth, and good documentation. but i'm looking at a mac for a future purchase.. theres no reason to only use linux, you can even download windows 10 and and use it for free (with watermark) forever. you can have the best of both worlds easily lol.
I whole-heartedly agree on the file pickers. I'm fine with the KDE one, but my apps refuse to use it! Firefox, Thunderbird, Inkscape, the list goes on. And now Portal is broken, so I get a non-themed GTK fallback. And I **hate** the GNOME file picker! No address bar, tab navigation is broken, file name is highlighted, but typing starts a search instead, no way to turn off search,...
File Pickers: haha, ya. I do a lot of kijiji work through FF and the file picker literally has no image preview when picking an image. So I need to know what random string of numbers is the picture I need. Bluetooth: I dont know how long ago you tried Windows, and I cannot speak to compatibility, but bluetooth at least on this new motherboard has worked far better for me than my old windows setup. I used to have earbuds that only worked on my android and another set that only worked on my computer. At the very least the BT menu and control is far far better on Fedora/Linux.
"I think that if you love something, that you *should* criticize it, and try to make it better and point out the flaws and you know just try to realize that things can always improve." We all believe this... That's why nerds don't have girlfriends...
Matt the only problem I have with fragmentation is problem solving. a simple change in a library or lack thereof can break your system and you're looking around for someone to help and there's none to be found. So I wind up nuking my system and just reinstalling
I'm currently a distro hopper and what I've experienced from doing that is that not a lot of distros look perfect in my 1366x768 screen. For example, any Gnome desktops always seem to look way over blown compared to KDE. KDE still sometimes look big especially the settings, but for the most part it looks normal. Also, I've printed some papers on Linux and recently, they've been coming out a bit blurry. Compared to before. Not sure if that's a Linux thing so don't count me on that. That's about it.
@@TheLinuxCast i have a macbook with 2560x1600p and dang thats a pain on linux. In native scaling, things are too small, and at 2x scaling its 800p and things are tooo big. Scaling it to 1200p ish using fractional scaling is the only way to make things looks correct, and when you use fractional scaling, Xwayland programs get blurry as hell.
Yeah I get so tired of arguing with people lol. "You should switch to Linux on your old hardware" "But Windows 10 works fine" "But Windows 10 is only supported until 2025" "That's still in the future, right?"
Qutebroser has an option to choose your file manager as the file picker. I don't know why more apps don't have that. Fragmentation is the consequence of the open source.
I've found that LibreOffice, GIMP, and Scribus allow me to take a book from manuscript to completed product. There may be things that Word, Photoshop, and InDesign do better, but I can't name them from my own experience. Is Linux fragmented? Yes. As a Cinnamon Mint fan, however, I'm glad that I have available what works for me, while you have Fedora, and others have what serves their requirements. I object only to Deepin, but that's for political reasons.
Graphic designers I talk to hate the Adobe suite (cost, stability, performance, licensing, terrible technical support, feature creep are frequent complaints), but they live with it because they don't have the time to slow down and learn a different set of tools. Basically they use it because that is what they started on.
@@TheLinuxCast I'm not sure what you mean. For a graphic designer not having proper access to the tools of their trade is akin to suddenly not being allowed to use qwerty to write or edit articles. You can do it, but you'll be slower and time is money. Outside of graphic designers I don't see anyone else being married to the Adobe suite anymore. Artists seem to be on ClipStudio or Krita, photographers do corrections in Darktable or something in the browser or phone app, video editing has shifted to Canva for basic editors or other non linear editors like Blender (or Kdenlive if it can keep it's poop in a group). Graphic designers are still sticking to inDesign and Illustrator, but Dreamweaver is on life support. Everything business office staff pay for to have in Acrobat Pro is now possible through Adobe's web tools, just waiting for the "still paying $400 annual to be able to digitally sign PDFs twice a year" age people to retire. At this point I think the "Linux needs Adobe" mantra is repeated because people keep saying it, not for any actual need for it.
Ome thing on bluetooth.. It not horrible in linux. You can get almost every device working but the process of getting that is kinda painful in some cases. If you are using standard desktop env like gnome or kde then blutooth should work fine. In my experience when i was tinkering around bt in arch I've learnt that pusleaudio sucks for bt so switched to pipewire, pipewire-media-session and bluez for bt stack and then after enabling aervices and one restart my bt headphones started connecting and A2DP was also working fine and headphones were connecting to 2 devices simultaneously as expected. So when i switched to debian sid i did thin manually while setting up distro after install and have no bt problems since. I can even say that switching audio from mobile to pc when phone call completed is slightly faster than windows and it didn't broke audio in gaming if i get calls so thats plus i guess 😅
Logitech Bluetooth keyboard and mice just worked like magic for me. I had a Ryzen APU when Linux had only initial beta level support for the APU. But it was a great experience and learning for me since it made compile the daily kernels to stay less buggy everyday 😆
To be honest distro doesn't matters as you need to be adept at command line and CLI tools assuming almost everyone can use a GUI. But just like Topher said Red Hat and Debian would be your best bet. I'd personally suggest Debian.
Bluetooth regularly stuck if I use my headphones for longer than 3-4 hours. The same behavior on Arch and Ubuntu on two different laptops. In the best case restart of bluetooth.service helps, in rare occasions I have to reset hci0 config.
I agree with some of these, but lack of photoshop etc. is not a linux problem. It's an Adobe problem. There's an argument that gimp should be made better (and I agree), but whether or not specific pieces of proprietary software exist on a given OS is completely down the vendor of said software.
I don't think many people would be willing to pay for it. Linux is a tiny fraction of the market to begin with, and most Linux users prefer to go "free everything".
I have trouble with wifi and wired net connections on my laptops. I have a Lenovo and an Asus for gaming and both have their maximum download rates throttled at 3.7 Mbs, wired or wifi. I run Fedora on both. The problem is common, but no solution yet. Frustrating.
I've used Linux on and off since about 2006 or so, I think my first distro was Mandrake/Mandriva. I often have it on my laptop, but my desktop has usually been Windows due to games. This week I decided to give Fedora a try and I have to say I was really blown away. The setup was as easy as I'd expect from a modern Linux distro, and getting games to work has been as simple as installing Steam and Heroic Launcher and installing my games. I've tried Star Trek Online, Plague Tale Innocence and Cyberpunk 2077 so far and they've all worked, and in the case of Plague Tale it actually gives me better FPS on Linux/Proton than I get on Windows on my Rzyen 2600/RX-580 8GB. I've never had it be this easy on Linux before. I've switched my desktop and laptop over to Fedora and I don't see myself going back to Windows.
The bluetooth thing is an example of why I like Linux. It has flaws, but it lets me fix them. On my laptop I connected a bluetooth mouse, keyboard, and noise cancelling headphones (BOSE QC35 II), and I experienced skips in audio on BOTH Windows and Linux. On Linux I can go into /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and just search the arch wiki and fix it (it was an option I don't remember what I had to set). Maybe there are even more things that fail on Linux, but when things fail on Windows, you can kind of feel Windows not being happy of you trying to fix it. Curious about what the bluetooth is on the MacOS side of things (with and without apple propiertary magic devices) I agree with the file picker thing though. 100%. Edit (I pressed CTRL+Enter on accident): About the cultism, I found this in other sides of my life, and what I've been able to gather is that when you do it, it comes from insecurity. It's a part of your brain being: "Oh no! We can't be using the bad distro, imagine the time we'll have to spend to change to the better one! Better prove them wrong!" The cure for this is understanding that it's all personal preference, and a video of Veronica Explains I liked called "Your hardware and software tools are probably fine" explains this perfectly. If it works for you, you don't have to change it. You can, to pursue something better and to have fun (currently figuring out tiling WMs, I'm on plasma), but you don't *have* to do it. Adobe is a problem on its own. I manage with gimp, but poor people who need them that have to pay things like cancellation fees...
Bluetooth beyond stuff such as cheap Logitech keyboard + mouse suites really *is* a nightmare, but it really *is* a Bluetooth problem, *not* a Linux one. As for fragmentation, it's the price we pay for freedom. You can't have choice if there aren't enough options to choose from, full stop. The distro elitism really *is* a problem, though. Yes, I use Manjaro not Arch, and I don't really like either Ubuntu (rather, Canonical) nor Mint (Cinnamon isn't my style, but that's a personal *taste* , the least rational thing there is), and I vastly prefer KDE Plasma over other DEs or WMs, but that's just me. Zero validity beyond "that's what I, personally, feel most comfortable with." Does the variety within Linux sometimes scare potential new users? Hell, yeah. Good job Linux is not a company trying to sell its product to as many uninformed, ICT-illiterate, customers as possible. At the same time, this hearkens back to the distro elitism point: some folks you know, upon hearing you sing the praise of Linux and seeing you use it, will ask for your advice. Don't get them bogged down by your own preferences for yourself: recommend what's best for *them* , even if it means that you, an Arch+Emacs fan, should recommend Xubuntu LTS or Peppermint, or whatever.
I just got a Logitech K400+ synced up to the M510v2 mouse usb dongle on Mint via Solaar and it just works. Lost the original usb dongle to the keyboard somewhere.
I felt that bluetooth argument. I only just recently got my sound bar I got for audio on my desktop to work on Mint 21 using the bluetooth connection (with some hick ups like the audio randomly dropping requiring it to be disconnected then reconnected) when I originally thought the optical audio connector or the HDMI connection would work (still doesn't). Heck my onboard wireless adapter didn't work with Mint 18 and had to update to version 20 for it to finally work. But I am more willing to put up with these hick ups then go back to windows.
for me it's the lack of the autodesk suite, and national instruments multisim. Luckily my school provides windows desktops in labs, but if that ever stops being the case i'm gonna look into hardware level virtualization (proxmox), and see if I can get a tri boot system working (windows, gentoo, and the most recent macOS possible)
The thing I don’t like at all, and this might just be me not knowing how to set it properly, it’s font rendering. Most of my fonts look bad. Fonts for me look thin, I can see the pixels, it’s not a good look.
Looking at Adobe from the other end. People have to use Adobe products on Windows because the have no other options. Not because there no other programs, but because this is what their work requires, or their school or university. Education tends to stick to MS and Apple and most teachers do not use Linux at all.
1 Should has many Web browser to choose . 2 Ibus to switch language ,should always be present and available in the lower pannel at after activating . 3 Night color instead of Redshift ( some like to set ALWAYS ON after set the desires Hue color )
100% agree on everything you said! I think anyway that many of us would love to have everything working smooth and easy, but when we think about linux becoming really mainstream...I'm not sure about it...for some reason it doesn't sound so good to me. Maybe it's just the idea that things could change towards a more..."commercial" direction(sorry for my poor English, I'm from Italy)
Adobe thinks of the 3% market share that they're building their software collection for. And Windows know many are using Windows for just the Adobe Creative Suite. So, Windows might be paying Adobe for not porting their software to Linux.
It's possible, but it's also possible that they think having alternatives pre-installed and readily accessible would make it more likely that their software gets dropped by such users. After all they are some of the worst offenders of SaaS.
Im a huge fan of Zorin for everyday customers. I def push it for that SPECIFIC use case. Me? I have over 50 distros on my keychain USB and ive used half of them for various reasons. Linux is a tool. It does some things well and some things not so well. Mac OS is the same. Windows is the same. Just tools. For example. Ended up using MX Plasma to run our church projectors. Why? Program needed Debian (not Ubuntu) because of a Python bug. Also needed Plasma as its the only DE that handled the projectors well. Vanilla Debian didnt have drivers for wifi card. So it was narrowed down to MX, the only polished Debian distro with Plasma. See? Right tool for the job. Never used MX before. Might never use it again.
The majority of Linux and GNU issues are just narrow to one item (in my opinion): Inconsistency. It is just a terrible inconsistency across the board (community included) that is just frustrating to try it for anybody that is not wheeling to put weeks (even more in some cases) just to make the system ready to work with it without needing to pamper the SO. Yes, you can be lucky and get everything works at hardware level (or spend a week to trying to get sound coming from your speakers), just to hit the wall solving stupid issues like the different application theming on Gnome or find the correct repo for something you need to use (which now not only need to be looked on the bunch of repos for the distributions themselves, but also need to double check if they are distributed by snaps or flatpacks) All of that leaving alone the inconsistencies across multiple distro communities. In my opinion, inconsistency is what is preventing Linux distributions be a real alternative in the desktop.
In Kubuntu 22.04 my bluetooth headphones work great. Better than 20.04 were they would not connect automatically. Though I don't have tested multiple devices at the same time yet.
I miss being able to use .exe applications and files WINE does a ton of cool stuff, and it can even run Warcraft, although I need it to work with small .exe applications as well
My logitech mx keys + samsung buds2 works wonders for me! Honestly surprised how well bluetooth works for me. It used to be a pain a few years ago for me
I think music producers/sound designers like me are few and far away on Linux but I would have definitely added lack of support for audio workstation software, poor VST support and there's pretty much zero professional DJ software on that runs on it, even rekordbox which is just a library manager for DJs not a DVS. At least GIMP is good alternative for those graphic designers, LMMS is torture if you've used Logic or Ableton.
Thank youuuu. LMMS is incomparable to something like FL Studio, Cubasis, etc.. There is Reaper and Ardour, but both lack the instant usability of something like Logic and Ableton. There is a severe lack of artistic software on Linux.
Hi, I got a question about the file picker you mentioned in your video. I'm using Linux for a couple of years now but I'm far from knowing the Linux system. Could you explain what file picker means? I have the slide suspicion that this could be a puzzle piece to an older problem I had in Linux while working with huge picture/texture library's. I noticed it in Gimp and also in program's I run under wine, because there is no option for a thumbnail preview. Am I on the right track here? Would be great if you could explain it, because this brothers me a lot. Thanks and greetings from Germany.
A file picker is the window that open whenever you press "Save As" or "Open" on most softwares. It's a bit of a mess in Linux as it changes from desktop to desktop for one thing.
@@Bob-1802 Thanks Bob. That's exactly what I meant. You seem to have experience with this topic, could you make a recommendation? I'm working mostly in 2D and 3D applications, so it would be nice to search and pick pictures and textures not by name, instead having a thumbnail preview. I have Manjaro KDE installed but I don't necessarily have to use it. Thanks so far and have a nice weekend.
@@MarcoKrieger Unfortunately I don't have experience with this, programmatically speaking. I use whatever the OS/distro/desktop/software/etc is throwing at me 🏈
@The Linux Cast 4:41 logitech k380 bluetooth keyboard works wonderfully. :D btw im using with anker soundcore Life Dot 2 tws bluetooth earbuds. Connecting from command line. I very rarely experienced disconnects or the inability to connect.
The adobe point is actually underrated i think. many linux users are super happy with our open source alternatives and so am i but the people who need to use this software either because their company decides to use them or they need specific features they are basically out of the linux game then. Die too many distros point alsways misses the main point imho. The thing people find confusing is not that there are 100 distros instead of 10. The confusing thing is the whole distro thing. It's such a basic linux thing that not many people explain it properly but when you come from a world where is just windows and you want to try linux you have a steep learnung curve that you dont install linux´, you install fedora, ubuntu,. arch... The fragmentation thing is always bad when you have 2 of the same. So i think fragmentation in desktop environments is actually not that bad. the different desktops offer different styles and workflows where one might fit the specific user better that the other. when it comes to packages it seems to cause more problems than it solves. Do i need a snap store when everyone could use flathub perfectly fine? i dont know. maybe? possibly not. Thats actually one of the few advantages big tech companies have: they standardize.
That's why it's better when the distro in question maintains a huge repository or can tap into the repository of another distro. Snaps, FlatPaks and even AppImages are not an adequate replacement for properly maintained distro packages. In instances where you don't even consider using third party software, I would say that's somewhat standardized too. That's probably why we have Apple, Android and Microsoft stores now, because they saw one of the great features of Linux and wanted to copy it.
imo I dont think the distros itself is the problem ,its how we talk about them and especially the clickbait article about "beginner distros" that make it out to be this huge decision with multiple of choices, when in reality at least when you count out arch, fedora and ubuntu its THE EXACT SAME THING just with different preinstalled packages. The linux userbase does not benefit from presenting it as this huge choice when it really isnt in the long run
ruclips.net/video/l5LJ9tO7G74/видео.html also The following terminal command will install ratbagd and Piper which may do the trick sudo apt install ratbagd -yy piper sometime that GUI mouse deal can work for other brands
I think linux is getting there. I used to have linux in vm and my main pc running windows. Later it was dual boot. Now I have linux on my pc and windows in the vm for work.
I find it easier to drag and drop files from Nautilus into apps or Imgur. My 5 button tilt wheel mice (Logitech Productivity Plus, $16) work perfectly with Bluetooth. Get Input Remapper, BTW. Yes, I am a Zorin Core fanboy. I regularly try other distros but have never felt the urge to hop. The Zorin forum people are nice but since Zorin is Ubuntu based, most of my questions have already been answered, find via Google. But I'm still a noob after 30 years with Windows. Not a gamer or Adobe user tho. I use Pinta much more than Gimp (they need to change that name). BTW, I stayed with Chrome, which made the switch easy. Just be sure to install the Linux Scroll Speed Fix extension. I run old Dell and Lenovo quad core biz desktops that I get for around $70 plus $20 to add an SSD. Tho I wonder how well Zorin would run on these new dinky PCs that you see for around $150.
Connecting my BT Headset was very easy but it started acting up in Voice Chat because it has a built in Microphone, I fixed it but that's a real bluetooth moment
1. Agreed, but pretty minor 2. Can't speak on this because I barely use bluetooth 3. Agreed 4. Couldn't care less 5. You can't stop fragmentation, sure it can be bad, but you can't stop it, so why even bring it up?
No digital artist who is sane uses GIMP. A photographer or a graphic designer might, but for illustration and digital painting GIMP is absolute garbage. It's downright unusable.
With fragmentation, the number of choices is not the only issue. It kind of is for the end user. But, as a whole, the fragmentation also lead to a lot of duplicated effort. That is, multiple people working on different projects that do the same thing. The package formats and managers I think is the best example of that. Now, think of how many people contributed to Linux and the ecosystem. Now imagine that for each functionality there is a single program and that the effort is concentrated on that one. If that were the case, Linux Desktop would've been so much further ahead. In the end, this choice limits productivity and slows down progress. But that's the price to pay to have freedom and decentralisation. In the end, you are immune to one thing affecting everything/everybody, or somebody getting in control of something and dooming everything/everybody because there's no alternative.
Also, building more instructions, tutorials and other problem-solving and general use tips into the OS itself would be a step in the right direction. I picked Linux up pretty quickly, but I'm an internet researcher by trade, so it's second nature to me to find solutions to issues online. Most people either can't put in that kind of effort, or don't want to have to, and I can't blame them.
a) Teach your mother `locate` and `find`. Maybe you have to teach yourself locate and find? b) So the same program uses different file pickers, depending on distro? Simple solution: Install the distribution which uses the file picker you prefer.
Call me a n00b but Ubuntu & its forks have had system wide file pickers for as long as I can remember. a lot of these things that you're pointing out are now more or less distro specific or can be solved by choosing the right distro for what do you consider to be the most important thing you will do on your desktop. For example, Pop_OS has pretty damn good bluetooth support as a gaming distro, running vanilla Red Hat not so much. Linux isn't so much of an operating system as it is a kernel or an umbrella term of different operating systems running the same kernel.
Tribalism?! Yeah, well, if you haven't just given into distro-hopping at will and triple booting 3 different "flavors" of linux like I am, then you don't truly love linux! (I actually am running a triple boot system. MXLinux XFCE for boringly stable, openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE to give current plasma a try, and Nobara Gnome just to see what it is about. I find it fun, but I suppose I can understand if it isn't for everyone...)
I use Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora,MX-Linux,Linux Mint,Sparky Linux,Salix,Ubuntu Unity,Kubuntu,Risi OS and none are superior to any of the others.I use Gnome,KDE,xfce,Fluxbox all without worry due to not having an ego to worry about feeding.
One of the biggest criticisms of Linux for me would be the community spends way too much time reinventing the wheel rather than improving the existing ones. And the reasons for some of those are as pedestrian as you could make it. Couple that with the lack of documentation and you have a nightmare.
Yes, on bluetooth. The new Mint 21 is actually worse with bluetooth, hopeless with multiple devices. It really ticks me off. Yes, fragmentation is both Linux's strength and weakness. Linux is like herding cats.
Can anyone elaborate a bit more on the multiple Bluetooth devices issue talked about in this video? Currently I have minimal experience with Bluetooth however I have used my ps4 controller and had no issues. The reason that I ask is because I am considering swapping to a wireless mouse and keyboard in the future and possibly same with headphones. If it is incredibly annoying then I probably won't bother.
I don't have much experience with multiple Bluetooth devices, but most wireless mice, keyboards, and headsets use their own dongle instead of Bluetooth. I have a corsair void headset and a Logitech g502 and haven't had any issue with either.
It can be better but Linux is very good. I’ve enjoyed it for years despite its character. S soon as I get a new device, without hesitation, windows is outa there and Linux, any Linux is in
Totally agree about cultism. I'm a big fanboi of Linux, but it's simply not for everyone; and my preferred distro isn't for every Linux user. I don't get the rabid attitude some people take...
That's why I subbed to this channel unironically. I subbed to other linux channels, but more for comedy purpose. Personally for me the worst part is hardware support. It's getting better, the problem is I hear "it's getting better" for over 20 years now.
@@tylerdean980 Lmao. On my laptop none distros can fully work with built-in 360hz display. Half don't see built-in intel wi-fi. Quarter don't even detect dedicated built-in nvidia card. That's 3 pieces of hardware in a single laptop. That's not "good". That's "pathetic", "disgusting". And if it was not enough, half distros can't even boot without me fornicating with kernel arguments.
@@etopowertwon Support for laptop hardware is generally slow to come for Linux, but the thing I wish people would stop doing is blaming Linux itself. The hardware manufacturers that close their specs and their drivers are the ones preventing Linux from working 100% with these devices.
@@anon_y_mousse Exactly! This Etop is also using weird laptops not normally available. A 360hz display? Do I sometimes have issues? Yes, but for 98% I find a solution. I use both factory made and self build desktop and laptop. Generally it just works.
I think I have to be bluetooth guy here. I have bose nc 700s, a keyboard and a mouse using wifi on arco with awesomewm and it works great. Also works well with with an Xbox controller and airpod pros. It's not perfect, whem swapping between windows and arco I have issies with my mouse that causes me to have to restart the computer but that's the only issue for me. Regardless, great vid! Ty :)
9:40 Its not just Adobe. Even if you look at Adobe alternatives or similar creative apps, Affinity Suite/Axure RP/Invision Studio/ON1 Photo RAW/Steinberg's Cubase or Nuendo or Dorico or Nuendo Live/Sibelius/Pro Tools/FL Studio/Ableton Live/Traktor/ibisPaint/Medibang Paint/Clip Studio Paint(this one is even in Chrome OS)/Final Draft/Movie Magic Screenwriter/WriterDuet/Moho and many more that do not even consider supporting Linux. And then things like parametric CAD like Autodesk Inventor/Solidworks/Catia(and some other Autodesk or Dassault Systèmes softwares and a lot more CAD or EDA softwares) are only in Windows, while apps likee Procreate and Vectornator choose to stay in Apple ecosystem. Blackmagic is one of the few major companies that does support Linux, but support for the Linux version is terrible. Considering Toonz Premium is not on Linux, I wonder how good OpenToonz even is for Linux. Foundry also supports CentOS with Nuke and Mari. People love to dunk on Adobe for ignoring Linux, but most of the industry considers that the norm. Also Apple has invested into Blender and support for Metal is coming even though they did not implement Vulkan support.
@@TheLinuxCast Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again here. Any questions, just ask. If you want less public, I've got e-mail and we could always use IRC.
Here's my list of things that suck on linux: (1) Desktop [gui generally most are heavy and crash frequently] (2) Wifi [tho this is due to hw makers not opening drivers] (3) Video cards [same as wifi, bought steam deck but mesa gpu driver doesn't work with opencl so i can't learn gpu programming on it] (4) Video games [sucks a lot less now thanks to valve/proton] (5) Compatability [the apps don't know bout each other and it can be hard to install linux software on distros where it's not part of repository] (6) Fragmentation [ububtu is stable but they want snaps instead of flatpks, then arch is less stable but it has more binaries, etc. Just kinda seems like they're too much their own worlds and you should be able to take parts of each and mix and match but it's not easy] (7) Documentation [the manuals are not usually tutorials they're a comprehensive and often cryptic list of commands] (8) Now that u bring up emacs, there's a lot of dated software. Like emacs lisp languages doesn't have things like name spaces to help you write large programs in it. And then it like doesn't want to interface with things like different web engines easily so it's not keeping up with being modular. Yesteryears killer apps are starting to show their age and nobody's really replacing them.
One way to onboard people into linux is to NOT to tell them to use Linux... Don't give choice ... tell to use 1 distro and that's it... otherwise they google for 'linux' and gets confused "hey windows user, use 'linuxmint os'.. it will make your computer faster... you don't ever have to wait for loading screen you NEVER gets virus" let them figure out there are other options and linux can get virus... :) but they will see tge advantages
hardware acceleration, graphics servers and everything GPU related also suck to start, most of the browsers dont come with video decoding and rasterization on (in fact decoding dont even seem to work in most browsers, especially with nvidia cards), this lack of hw acceleration leads to a horrible experience especially in low end hardware. second xorg and wayland suck xorg is really buggy, compositing is shitty and laggy even with the right drivers, lags also get worse with more than 1 monitor and theres even more problems meanwhile, wayland works fine, animations in DE's or WM's mostly work, windows and compositing dont lead to bugs and lags, but gaming is kinda worse, and screen sharing/recording is a mess
Want more Linux content? Follow me on Mastodon fosstodon.org/@thelinuxcast (Trying to get to 1000 followers by the end of the year. Goals are the spice of life).
How many followers you have right now? I'm not using Mastodon...
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 usted tiene un nombre de usuario súper épico.
@ Lo sé, estimado.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 A little over 500
@@TheLinuxCast You aren't on Twitter?
I have just stopped caring about the fragmentation discussion because it is something that we can't get rid of unless suddenly we wake up one day and find out Linux became proprietary.
Absolutely. Live with it or sell your freedom.
You're wrong! but you're also right too lol
What do you mean you can’t search for files in nautilus? I know you can do it in the overview search
@@stopspyingonme9210 I actually just realized that after watching this video because I never really cared about the lack of search feature. I hardly ever use it even on other operating systems. However, I think my overall point was that it's not application specific on vanilla Ubuntu, unlike many other distros.
@@stopspyingonme9210 He said he was talking about file pickers, not file managers. Nautilus is the latter.
This man giving nearly 18 minutes of straight facts.
Something I've started doing for clarity is saying "Linux based operating systems" instead of "distributions" or "distros", because that's how Linux actually works.
"If you love something you have to critize it (to make it better)"
really nice quote
As a user just dipping my toes into Linux, not really knowing too much, I’ve experienced a lot of toxicity from the Linux community. There are SO MANY people who have what seems like a superiority complex and instead of kindly answering questions they take the opportunity to be a passive-aggressive smartypants. I say this not to grift, but to express my experience. The Linux community I imagine is a large contributor to why people try it and then immediately go back to Windows.
Interesting comment. Thanks for making it. I think for every person who does have some type of "I'm just better than you for knowing something you don't" I think there are 20 no linux users who didn't spend five minutes looking for the answer, and don't like always answering questions that a couple minutes of duck duck go searching would solve the problem, or at least make the question... well a real question.
More than passive-aggressive comments, I see more: "I am going to ask the question in a form that no one can answer without a long conversation, and will get mad and run away with my toys when people don't have a back and forth just for me to ask an answerable question". Of course there is both online, but linux makes you always ask "how much of the tools I use should I understand?" This is a moving target, and we have different striations of the community based on the answer to that question. And not knowing always comes at a cost... always. Even on windows :)
This is compounded by a feeling that linux is a threat to profit motives, and might cause people to be even a little introspective (very dangerous these days), so we have large companies willing to use linux to run how we all connect, but my God if there is some feeling of diversity in how we use the tools we own :)
In a world where people don't know how to change a tire, no wonder there are arguments online about cars :)
Hope you stick with it. Linux has come a long way, but, unlike other ecosystems, it is honest of the responsibility of the user to learn something about what they do. #rantover
I think that the big thing that might solve the fragmentation issue in terms of helping beginners pick is to have more Linux-specific consumer hardware. People don't have to choose a distro if they have one already installed, which means they now have a nice entrypoint.
I know it's near impossible for the Linux community to agree on anything, but I'd like to think that if we had to choose a Linux-based OS to ship with most consumer laptops, a majority of us would agree that Linux Mint is probably the one to go with.
@@jerryq27 I disagree, Mint is not very eye-candy and that might make people believe GNU/Linux is ugly, when it can not be.
@@softwarelivre2389 I'd go with KDE stuff, notably because Tuxedo does that with their PCs, but I'd be down for Linux Mint if it meant simplifying things. Kubuntu might be a good option that I'd like.
@@jerryq27 Arch, KDE but make it so you can just update selected stuff that you want without any weird konsole mumbo jumbo... and make it so you can update whenever you please... nothing forced.
Discussing the choice is imo only half as relevant as having an affordable laptop widely available in stores where people go to buy some device, not only online for those who already want it specifically.
what i dislike is when you come in as a newbee and you ask a question you get yelled at that it has been asked many times and read the friggin manual or go search in the right places .... but as a newbee you do not know how to access the manuals or where to find answers or how to search in the right places ... in the time they yell at the newbee that couls just answered the question without alienate the new user to stay with linux .. that is the biggest problem
So one tip...( And I can easily instruction you on how to create a GUI launcher button for this) get comfy with the terminal command
inxi -Fxxxmprz
It's a decent half-ass way of someone remoting into your PC...BUT.. WITHOUT seeing any personally identifiable info.
Looks good to those trying to help you as it is a way of proving you've at least read spmething.
Again..all good vibes meant. Cheers
Apparently, the gnome file picker does have search. But as far as I can tell (I only tested it in Gnome and i3), it only works in Gnome.
I agree that it's still a very good thing to point out. It's an important utility on a browser (probably the most used desktop software). You'd think it would get a bit more love. Still they get the job done!
The problem with fragmentation isn't that there are too many distros. The problem is that the difference between distros is absurdly trivial. Pick almost any distro you want and it's basically guaranteed to come with the same 3-4 web browsers, 2-3 different audio players, GIMP, Thunderbird, and a few other standard programs. Picking between them is hard because there is no real choice. Fragmentation is basically a myth. You do have some specialized distros, like Kali. But nobody has a hard time choosing those because it's clear what they offer. What does Mint give me that Ubuntu or Debian doesn't? The different distros are basically nothing but wallpaper packages for a standard set of Linux programs.
i love Arch.. because of its wiki.. the more documenation thats readly available and easy to follow for me the better. so i can avoid chapter 6 of your video entirely, and fend for myself.
i've run the full gambit this last year, including fedora, and nobara, arco, and a slew of others.. i am now only running endeavouros , because it just works out of the box for me, and i have little to no issues configuring or using it. i do have dual boot with windows 10 for Tarkov and adobe (GIMP's fine, but i've been using photoshop since windows 3.11 lol).
I think of all the other distros i tried Arco was the most fun, because i got to learn a good bit about i3 and tiling managers.. but sadly, i love gnome way way too much to leave it completely (sorry, not sorry). And i'm not talking VM installs, at one point i was multi booting up to 4 different OS's. you name a distro and i probably had it on here for a couple months at a time.
If i had to choose a personal top 3..
EndeavourOS (honestly, one of; if not, the best Arch based distro IMO)
Fedora and Nobara. Nobara is friggin amazing, but doesnt run right on my pc, similar to fedora, i think its wayland and my nvidia card, and theres no reason for me to switch to X11, when X11 in Endeavour already runs amazingly well. but gaming in nobara was actually better than in endeavour.. weird, i know. i'm looking for a Radeon card now tho, see how that goes.
Pop_Os.. it too, just works and the user experience is quite smooth, and good documentation.
but i'm looking at a mac for a future purchase.. theres no reason to only use linux, you can even download windows 10 and and use it for free (with watermark) forever. you can have the best of both worlds easily lol.
I whole-heartedly agree on the file pickers.
I'm fine with the KDE one, but my apps refuse to use it! Firefox, Thunderbird, Inkscape, the list goes on.
And now Portal is broken, so I get a non-themed GTK fallback.
And I **hate** the GNOME file picker! No address bar, tab navigation is broken, file name is highlighted, but typing starts a search instead, no way to turn off search,...
File Pickers: haha, ya. I do a lot of kijiji work through FF and the file picker literally has no image preview when picking an image. So I need to know what random string of numbers is the picture I need.
Bluetooth: I dont know how long ago you tried Windows, and I cannot speak to compatibility, but bluetooth at least on this new motherboard has worked far better for me than my old windows setup. I used to have earbuds that only worked on my android and another set that only worked on my computer. At the very least the BT menu and control is far far better on Fedora/Linux.
Human tribalism will be our doom. Not just Linux but society in general.
Best part about linux: there isnt a single big corporate entity behind it
Worst part about linux: there isnt a single big corporate entity behind it
"I think that if you love something, that you *should* criticize it, and try to make it better and point out the flaws and you know just try to realize that things can always improve."
We all believe this... That's why nerds don't have girlfriends...
Truer words, my friend. LOL
Thus spoke Kisibe Rohan
Matt the only problem I have with fragmentation is problem solving. a simple change in a library or lack thereof can break your system and you're looking around for someone to help and there's none to be found. So I wind up nuking my system and just reinstalling
Yeah. Been there, done that.
FYI: Emacs is less of a text editor and more of a LISP runtime environment ;-)
I'm currently a distro hopper and what I've experienced from doing that is that not a lot of distros look perfect in my 1366x768 screen.
For example, any Gnome desktops always seem to look way over blown compared to KDE. KDE still sometimes look big especially the settings, but for the most part it looks normal.
Also, I've printed some papers on Linux and recently, they've been coming out a bit blurry. Compared to before. Not sure if that's a Linux thing so don't count me on that.
That's about it.
Odd resolutions is definitely one I could have included. High resolutions too.
@@TheLinuxCast i have a macbook with 2560x1600p and dang thats a pain on linux. In native scaling, things are too small, and at 2x scaling its 800p and things are tooo big. Scaling it to 1200p ish using fractional scaling is the only way to make things looks correct, and when you use fractional scaling, Xwayland programs get blurry as hell.
Arch Linux doesn't support legacy nvidia anymore on official repos. Windows 10 a bigger help to broke folks than the distro "that can run on anything"
Yeah I get so tired of arguing with people lol. "You should switch to Linux on your old hardware" "But Windows 10 works fine" "But Windows 10 is only supported until 2025" "That's still in the future, right?"
Qutebroser has an option to choose your file manager as the file picker. I don't know why more apps don't have that.
Fragmentation is the consequence of the open source.
Amazing, Matt. Criticism is absolutely key, If improvement is the goal 🙏
@ 6:30 Have you covered any Fedora derivatives? Are any of them good?
I have a video on Nobara. It's pretty good
@@TheLinuxCast Cool. I'll check it out.
Love it, great stuff. :) I love Linux but it can be annoying sometimes and shouldn't be free from ridicule.
I've found that LibreOffice, GIMP, and Scribus allow me to take a book from manuscript to completed product. There may be things that Word, Photoshop, and InDesign do better, but I can't name them from my own experience.
Is Linux fragmented? Yes. As a Cinnamon Mint fan, however, I'm glad that I have available what works for me, while you have Fedora, and others have what serves their requirements. I object only to Deepin, but that's for political reasons.
What's your political objection to Deepin?
@@Friend- It is an instrument of the Chinese government. I cannot trust it.
I think your comment got deleted for some reason, but I saw it before it did. Thanks for the reply! I'll look into that.
Graphic designers I talk to hate the Adobe suite (cost, stability, performance, licensing, terrible technical support, feature creep are frequent complaints), but they live with it because they don't have the time to slow down and learn a different set of tools. Basically they use it because that is what they started on.
Probably the same people who complain when they can't use it,
@@TheLinuxCast I'm not sure what you mean. For a graphic designer not having proper access to the tools of their trade is akin to suddenly not being allowed to use qwerty to write or edit articles. You can do it, but you'll be slower and time is money. Outside of graphic designers I don't see anyone else being married to the Adobe suite anymore.
Artists seem to be on ClipStudio or Krita, photographers do corrections in Darktable or something in the browser or phone app, video editing has shifted to Canva for basic editors or other non linear editors like Blender (or Kdenlive if it can keep it's poop in a group). Graphic designers are still sticking to inDesign and Illustrator, but Dreamweaver is on life support. Everything business office staff pay for to have in Acrobat Pro is now possible through Adobe's web tools, just waiting for the "still paying $400 annual to be able to digitally sign PDFs twice a year" age people to retire.
At this point I think the "Linux needs Adobe" mantra is repeated because people keep saying it, not for any actual need for it.
Ome thing on bluetooth.. It not horrible in linux. You can get almost every device working but the process of getting that is kinda painful in some cases. If you are using standard desktop env like gnome or kde then blutooth should work fine. In my experience when i was tinkering around bt in arch I've learnt that pusleaudio sucks for bt so switched to pipewire, pipewire-media-session and bluez for bt stack and then after enabling aervices and one restart my bt headphones started connecting and A2DP was also working fine and headphones were connecting to 2 devices simultaneously as expected. So when i switched to debian sid i did thin manually while setting up distro after install and have no bt problems since. I can even say that switching audio from mobile to pc when phone call completed is slightly faster than windows and it didn't broke audio in gaming if i get calls so thats plus i guess 😅
honestly all these problems could be solved with emacs
great toughts, we have to work in the same direction togheter instead of doing what we do about what works for us is the best thing in the world
Logitech Bluetooth keyboard and mice just worked like magic for me.
I had a Ryzen APU when Linux had only initial beta level support for the APU. But it was a great experience and learning for me since it made compile the daily kernels to stay less buggy everyday 😆
If one is interested in obtaining a job working with Linux, which is the recommended Distro to practice on?
Probably Red Hat and Debian.
To be honest distro doesn't matters as you need to be adept at command line and CLI tools assuming almost everyone can use a GUI. But just like Topher said Red Hat and Debian would be your best bet. I'd personally suggest Debian.
Bluetooth regularly stuck if I use my headphones for longer than 3-4 hours. The same behavior on Arch and Ubuntu on two different laptops. In the best case restart of bluetooth.service helps, in rare occasions I have to reset hci0 config.
browser updates and the file picker changes... why, how, what can I do
I agree with some of these, but lack of photoshop etc. is not a linux problem. It's an Adobe problem. There's an argument that gimp should be made better (and I agree), but whether or not specific pieces of proprietary software exist on a given OS is completely down the vendor of said software.
Adobe should develop their software for Linux; many people would be willing to pay to use it, just look at Steam and Proton.
I don't think many people would be willing to pay for it. Linux is a tiny fraction of the market to begin with, and most Linux users prefer to go "free everything".
I have trouble with wifi and wired net connections on my laptops. I have a Lenovo and an Asus for gaming and both have their maximum download rates throttled at 3.7 Mbs, wired or wifi. I run Fedora on both. The problem is common, but no solution yet. Frustrating.
I've used Linux on and off since about 2006 or so, I think my first distro was Mandrake/Mandriva. I often have it on my laptop, but my desktop has usually been Windows due to games. This week I decided to give Fedora a try and I have to say I was really blown away. The setup was as easy as I'd expect from a modern Linux distro, and getting games to work has been as simple as installing Steam and Heroic Launcher and installing my games. I've tried Star Trek Online, Plague Tale Innocence and Cyberpunk 2077 so far and they've all worked, and in the case of Plague Tale it actually gives me better FPS on Linux/Proton than I get on Windows on my Rzyen 2600/RX-580 8GB. I've never had it be this easy on Linux before. I've switched my desktop and laptop over to Fedora and I don't see myself going back to Windows.
The bluetooth thing is an example of why I like Linux. It has flaws, but it lets me fix them. On my laptop I connected a bluetooth mouse, keyboard, and noise cancelling headphones (BOSE QC35 II), and I experienced skips in audio on BOTH Windows and Linux. On Linux I can go into /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and just search the arch wiki and fix it (it was an option I don't remember what I had to set). Maybe there are even more things that fail on Linux, but when things fail on Windows, you can kind of feel Windows not being happy of you trying to fix it. Curious about what the bluetooth is on the MacOS side of things (with and without apple propiertary magic devices)
I agree with the file picker thing though. 100%.
Edit (I pressed CTRL+Enter on accident):
About the cultism, I found this in other sides of my life, and what I've been able to gather is that when you do it, it comes from insecurity. It's a part of your brain being: "Oh no! We can't be using the bad distro, imagine the time we'll have to spend to change to the better one! Better prove them wrong!" The cure for this is understanding that it's all personal preference, and a video of Veronica Explains I liked called "Your hardware and software tools are probably fine" explains this perfectly. If it works for you, you don't have to change it. You can, to pursue something better and to have fun (currently figuring out tiling WMs, I'm on plasma), but you don't *have* to do it.
Adobe is a problem on its own. I manage with gimp, but poor people who need them that have to pay things like cancellation fees...
Bluetooth beyond stuff such as cheap Logitech keyboard + mouse suites really *is* a nightmare, but it really *is* a Bluetooth problem, *not* a Linux one.
As for fragmentation, it's the price we pay for freedom. You can't have choice if there aren't enough options to choose from, full stop.
The distro elitism really *is* a problem, though. Yes, I use Manjaro not Arch, and I don't really like either Ubuntu (rather, Canonical) nor Mint (Cinnamon isn't my style, but that's a personal *taste* , the least rational thing there is), and I vastly prefer KDE Plasma over other DEs or WMs, but that's just me. Zero validity beyond "that's what I, personally, feel most comfortable with."
Does the variety within Linux sometimes scare potential new users? Hell, yeah. Good job Linux is not a company trying to sell its product to as many uninformed, ICT-illiterate, customers as possible. At the same time, this hearkens back to the distro elitism point: some folks you know, upon hearing you sing the praise of Linux and seeing you use it, will ask for your advice. Don't get them bogged down by your own preferences for yourself: recommend what's best for *them* , even if it means that you, an Arch+Emacs fan, should recommend Xubuntu LTS or Peppermint, or whatever.
I just got a Logitech K400+ synced up to the M510v2 mouse usb dongle on Mint via Solaar and it just works. Lost the original usb dongle to the keyboard somewhere.
I felt that bluetooth argument. I only just recently got my sound bar I got for audio on my desktop to work on Mint 21 using the bluetooth connection (with some hick ups like the audio randomly dropping requiring it to be disconnected then reconnected) when I originally thought the optical audio connector or the HDMI connection would work (still doesn't). Heck my onboard wireless adapter didn't work with Mint 18 and had to update to version 20 for it to finally work. But I am more willing to put up with these hick ups then go back to windows.
for me it's the lack of the autodesk suite, and national instruments multisim. Luckily my school provides windows desktops in labs, but if that ever stops being the case i'm gonna look into hardware level virtualization (proxmox), and see if I can get a tri boot system working (windows, gentoo, and the most recent macOS possible)
The thing I don’t like at all, and this might just be me not knowing how to set it properly, it’s font rendering. Most of my fonts look bad. Fonts for me look thin, I can see the pixels, it’s not a good look.
Looking at Adobe from the other end. People have to use Adobe products on Windows because the have no other options. Not because there no other programs, but because this is what their work requires, or their school or university. Education tends to stick to MS and Apple and most teachers do not use Linux at all.
How build from source with podman please There is new version of topgrade previous is not maintained anymore
1 Should has many Web browser to choose .
2 Ibus to switch language ,should always be present and available in the lower pannel at after activating .
3 Night color instead of Redshift ( some like to set ALWAYS ON after set the desires Hue color )
I think the wide variety of distros out there is a great thing, because you're almost guaranteed to find a distro to suit your specific needs.
100% agree on everything you said! I think anyway that many of us would love to have everything working smooth and easy, but when we think about linux becoming really mainstream...I'm not sure about it...for some reason it doesn't sound so good to me. Maybe it's just the idea that things could change towards a more..."commercial" direction(sorry for my poor English, I'm from Italy)
Adobe thinks of the 3% market share that they're building their software collection for. And Windows know many are using Windows for just the Adobe Creative Suite. So, Windows might be paying Adobe for not porting their software to Linux.
It's possible, but it's also possible that they think having alternatives pre-installed and readily accessible would make it more likely that their software gets dropped by such users. After all they are some of the worst offenders of SaaS.
Im a huge fan of Zorin for everyday customers. I def push it for that SPECIFIC use case. Me? I have over 50 distros on my keychain USB and ive used half of them for various reasons. Linux is a tool. It does some things well and some things not so well. Mac OS is the same. Windows is the same. Just tools.
For example. Ended up using MX Plasma to run our church projectors. Why? Program needed Debian (not Ubuntu) because of a Python bug. Also needed Plasma as its the only DE that handled the projectors well. Vanilla Debian didnt have drivers for wifi card. So it was narrowed down to MX, the only polished Debian distro with Plasma. See? Right tool for the job. Never used MX before. Might never use it again.
The majority of Linux and GNU issues are just narrow to one item (in my opinion): Inconsistency. It is just a terrible inconsistency across the board (community included) that is just frustrating to try it for anybody that is not wheeling to put weeks (even more in some cases) just to make the system ready to work with it without needing to pamper the SO. Yes, you can be lucky and get everything works at hardware level (or spend a week to trying to get sound coming from your speakers), just to hit the wall solving stupid issues like the different application theming on Gnome or find the correct repo for something you need to use (which now not only need to be looked on the bunch of repos for the distributions themselves, but also need to double check if they are distributed by snaps or flatpacks) All of that leaving alone the inconsistencies across multiple distro communities. In my opinion, inconsistency is what is preventing Linux distributions be a real alternative in the desktop.
In Kubuntu 22.04 my bluetooth headphones work great. Better than 20.04 were they would not connect automatically. Though I don't have tested multiple devices at the same time yet.
I miss being able to use .exe applications and files
WINE does a ton of cool stuff, and it can even run Warcraft, although I need it to work with small .exe applications as well
how to install notion app (not snap) on fedora?
There's a thing called Notion enhancer, it has an AppImage. notion-enhancer.github.io/getting-started/installation/
There's also Lotion for Notion.
@@TheLinuxCast cool ! it's work. thanks a lot!
My logitech mx keys + samsung buds2 works wonders for me! Honestly surprised how well bluetooth works for me. It used to be a pain a few years ago for me
same, my bluetooth headphone work better on ubuntu than windows.
I had no issues with Bluetooth on Mint with Cinnamon either. I was shocked lol
I started writing my comment here, then i deleted it... There really is no reason... You said it all dude! Totally agree with you!
I think music producers/sound designers like me are few and far away on Linux but I would have definitely added lack of support for audio workstation software, poor VST support and there's pretty much zero professional DJ software on that runs on it, even rekordbox which is just a library manager for DJs not a DVS. At least GIMP is good alternative for those graphic designers, LMMS is torture if you've used Logic or Ableton.
Thank youuuu. LMMS is incomparable to something like FL Studio, Cubasis, etc.. There is Reaper and Ardour, but both lack the instant usability of something like Logic and Ableton. There is a severe lack of artistic software on Linux.
Agreed. I wanted to record some guitar riffs and installed LMMS and was like "nevermind" lol.
Hi, I got a question about the file picker you mentioned in your video.
I'm using Linux for a couple of years now but I'm far from knowing the Linux system.
Could you explain what file picker means?
I have the slide suspicion that this could be a puzzle piece to an older problem I had in Linux while working with huge picture/texture library's.
I noticed it in Gimp and also in program's I run under wine, because there is no option for a thumbnail preview.
Am I on the right track here?
Would be great if you could explain it, because this brothers me a lot.
Thanks and greetings from Germany.
A file picker is the window that open whenever you press "Save As" or "Open" on most softwares. It's a bit of a mess in Linux as it changes from desktop to desktop for one thing.
@@Bob-1802 Thanks Bob. That's exactly what I meant.
You seem to have experience with this topic, could you make a recommendation?
I'm working mostly in 2D and 3D applications, so it would be nice to search and pick pictures and textures not by name, instead having a thumbnail preview.
I have Manjaro KDE installed but I don't necessarily have to use it.
Thanks so far and have a nice weekend.
@@MarcoKrieger Unfortunately I don't have experience with this, programmatically speaking. I use whatever the OS/distro/desktop/software/etc is throwing at me 🏈
@@Bob-1802 That's my Modus Operandi as well.
Looks like I have to try other Distro's besides Manjaro and Ubuntu.
👍
Georges Stravacas has a video on getting thumbnails in the GNOME File Picker. It is called "The death of the meme." Pretty recent btw
@The Linux Cast 4:41 logitech k380 bluetooth keyboard works wonderfully. :D btw im using with anker soundcore Life Dot 2 tws bluetooth earbuds. Connecting from command line. I very rarely experienced disconnects or the inability to connect.
The adobe point is actually underrated i think. many linux users are super happy with our open source alternatives and so am i but the people who need to use this software either because their company decides to use them or they need specific features they are basically out of the linux game then.
Die too many distros point alsways misses the main point imho. The thing people find confusing is not that there are 100 distros instead of 10. The confusing thing is the whole distro thing. It's such a basic linux thing that not many people explain it properly but when you come from a world where is just windows and you want to try linux you have a steep learnung curve that you dont install linux´, you install fedora, ubuntu,. arch...
The fragmentation thing is always bad when you have 2 of the same. So i think fragmentation in desktop environments is actually not that bad. the different desktops offer different styles and workflows where one might fit the specific user better that the other. when it comes to packages it seems to cause more problems than it solves. Do i need a snap store when everyone could use flathub perfectly fine? i dont know. maybe? possibly not. Thats actually one of the few advantages big tech companies have: they standardize.
That's why it's better when the distro in question maintains a huge repository or can tap into the repository of another distro. Snaps, FlatPaks and even AppImages are not an adequate replacement for properly maintained distro packages. In instances where you don't even consider using third party software, I would say that's somewhat standardized too. That's probably why we have Apple, Android and Microsoft stores now, because they saw one of the great features of Linux and wanted to copy it.
imo I dont think the distros itself is the problem ,its how we talk about them and especially the clickbait article about "beginner distros" that make it out to be this huge decision with multiple of choices, when in reality at least when you count out arch, fedora and ubuntu its THE EXACT SAME THING just with different preinstalled packages. The linux userbase does not benefit from presenting it as this huge choice when it really isnt in the long run
COuld you talk how remap mouse keys if it's not a logiteck
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The following terminal command will install ratbagd and Piper which may do the trick
sudo apt install ratbagd -yy piper
sometime that GUI mouse deal can work for other brands
8:39 Dnf and Apt use the same syntax for the most part.😅👍
I think linux is getting there. I used to have linux in vm and my main pc running windows. Later it was dual boot. Now I have linux on my pc and windows in the vm for work.
I find it easier to drag and drop files from Nautilus into apps or Imgur. My 5 button tilt wheel mice (Logitech Productivity Plus, $16) work perfectly with Bluetooth. Get Input Remapper, BTW. Yes, I am a Zorin Core fanboy. I regularly try other distros but have never felt the urge to hop. The Zorin forum people are nice but since Zorin is Ubuntu based, most of my questions have already been answered, find via Google. But I'm still a noob after 30 years with Windows. Not a gamer or Adobe user tho. I use Pinta much more than Gimp (they need to change that name). BTW, I stayed with Chrome, which made the switch easy. Just be sure to install the Linux Scroll Speed Fix extension. I run old Dell and Lenovo quad core biz desktops that I get for around $70 plus $20 to add an SSD. Tho I wonder how well Zorin would run on these new dinky PCs that you see for around $150.
Connecting my BT Headset was very easy but it started acting up in Voice Chat because it has a built in Microphone, I fixed it but that's a real bluetooth moment
1. Agreed, but pretty minor
2. Can't speak on this because I barely use bluetooth
3. Agreed
4. Couldn't care less
5. You can't stop fragmentation, sure it can be bad, but you can't stop it, so why even bring it up?
No digital artist who is sane uses GIMP. A photographer or a graphic designer might, but for illustration and digital painting GIMP is absolute garbage. It's downright unusable.
With fragmentation, the number of choices is not the only issue. It kind of is for the end user. But, as a whole, the fragmentation also lead to a lot of duplicated effort. That is, multiple people working on different projects that do the same thing. The package formats and managers I think is the best example of that.
Now, think of how many people contributed to Linux and the ecosystem. Now imagine that for each functionality there is a single program and that the effort is concentrated on that one. If that were the case, Linux Desktop would've been so much further ahead.
In the end, this choice limits productivity and slows down progress. But that's the price to pay to have freedom and decentralisation. In the end, you are immune to one thing affecting everything/everybody, or somebody getting in control of something and dooming everything/everybody because there's no alternative.
It's not that easy. Without the options you can't be innovate cos you will work with one mindset. It's the same with "free" market.
as an impatient arch user, i'm trying out gentoo.
and it causes gastric ulcer for sure.
Also, building more instructions, tutorials and other problem-solving and general use tips into the OS itself would be a step in the right direction. I picked Linux up pretty quickly, but I'm an internet researcher by trade, so it's second nature to me to find solutions to issues online. Most people either can't put in that kind of effort, or don't want to have to, and I can't blame them.
You need a bluez-alsa library to get Bluetooth to work properly
a) Teach your mother `locate` and `find`. Maybe you have to teach yourself locate and find?
b) So the same program uses different file pickers, depending on distro? Simple solution: Install the distribution which uses the file picker you prefer.
She's 80+, I think that's beyond her right now.
@@TheLinuxCast It is better to teach it right now, than in 10, 20 years from now.
Call me a n00b but Ubuntu & its forks have had system wide file pickers for as long as I can remember. a lot of these things that you're pointing out are now more or less distro specific or can be solved by choosing the right distro for what do you consider to be the most important thing you will do on your desktop. For example, Pop_OS has pretty damn good bluetooth support as a gaming distro, running vanilla Red Hat not so much. Linux isn't so much of an operating system as it is a kernel or an umbrella term of different operating systems running the same kernel.
Tribalism?! Yeah, well, if you haven't just given into distro-hopping at will and triple booting 3 different "flavors" of linux like I am, then you don't truly love linux!
(I actually am running a triple boot system. MXLinux XFCE for boringly stable, openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE to give current plasma a try, and Nobara Gnome just to see what it is about. I find it fun, but I suppose I can understand if it isn't for everyone...)
I use Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora,MX-Linux,Linux Mint,Sparky Linux,Salix,Ubuntu Unity,Kubuntu,Risi OS and none are superior to any of the others.I use Gnome,KDE,xfce,Fluxbox all without worry due to not having an ego to worry about feeding.
One of the biggest criticisms of Linux for me would be the community spends way too much time reinventing the wheel rather than improving the existing ones. And the reasons for some of those are as pedestrian as you could make it. Couple that with the lack of documentation and you have a nightmare.
Yes, on bluetooth. The new Mint 21 is actually worse with bluetooth, hopeless with multiple devices. It really ticks me off. Yes, fragmentation is both Linux's strength and weakness. Linux is like herding cats.
When I have any question I can't figure out myself I ask #gentoo and #linux because I feel myself as a part of both.
Can anyone elaborate a bit more on the multiple Bluetooth devices issue talked about in this video? Currently I have minimal experience with Bluetooth however I have used my ps4 controller and had no issues. The reason that I ask is because I am considering swapping to a wireless mouse and keyboard in the future and possibly same with headphones. If it is incredibly annoying then I probably won't bother.
I don't have much experience with multiple Bluetooth devices, but most wireless mice, keyboards, and headsets use their own dongle instead of Bluetooth. I have a corsair void headset and a Logitech g502 and haven't had any issue with either.
I'm a linux fan boy and I'm proud of it. I fu**ing love Linux!
It can be better but Linux is very good. I’ve enjoyed it for years despite its character. S soon as I get a new device, without hesitation, windows is outa there and Linux, any Linux is in
Totally agree about cultism. I'm a big fanboi of Linux, but it's simply not for everyone; and my preferred distro isn't for every Linux user. I don't get the rabid attitude some people take...
That's why I subbed to this channel unironically. I subbed to other linux channels, but more for comedy purpose.
Personally for me the worst part is hardware support. It's getting better, the problem is I hear "it's getting better" for over 20 years now.
Hardware support is good unless you use a lot of weird peripherals like capture cards and stuff
@@tylerdean980 Lmao. On my laptop none distros can fully work with built-in 360hz display.
Half don't see built-in intel wi-fi. Quarter don't even detect dedicated built-in nvidia card.
That's 3 pieces of hardware in a single laptop. That's not "good". That's "pathetic",
"disgusting".
And if it was not enough, half distros can't even boot without me fornicating with kernel arguments.
@@etopowertwon Support for laptop hardware is generally slow to come for Linux, but the thing I wish people would stop doing is blaming Linux itself. The hardware manufacturers that close their specs and their drivers are the ones preventing Linux from working 100% with these devices.
@@anon_y_mousse Exactly!
This Etop is also using weird laptops not normally available. A 360hz display?
Do I sometimes have issues? Yes, but for 98% I find a solution. I use both factory made and self build desktop and laptop. Generally it just works.
@@hansreynders6853 Not normally available? What kind of denial it is? Raider GE76 12UHS is normally available as any other MSI laptops.
I think I have to be bluetooth guy here. I have bose nc 700s, a keyboard and a mouse using wifi on arco with awesomewm and it works great. Also works well with with an Xbox controller and airpod pros. It's not perfect, whem swapping between windows and arco I have issies with my mouse that causes me to have to restart the computer but that's the only issue for me.
Regardless, great vid! Ty :)
9:40 Its not just Adobe. Even if you look at Adobe alternatives or similar creative apps, Affinity Suite/Axure RP/Invision Studio/ON1 Photo RAW/Steinberg's Cubase or Nuendo or Dorico or Nuendo Live/Sibelius/Pro Tools/FL Studio/Ableton Live/Traktor/ibisPaint/Medibang Paint/Clip Studio Paint(this one is even in Chrome OS)/Final Draft/Movie Magic Screenwriter/WriterDuet/Moho and many more that do not even consider supporting Linux. And then things like parametric CAD like Autodesk Inventor/Solidworks/Catia(and some other Autodesk or Dassault Systèmes softwares and a lot more CAD or EDA softwares) are only in Windows, while apps likee Procreate and Vectornator choose to stay in Apple ecosystem.
Blackmagic is one of the few major companies that does support Linux, but support for the Linux version is terrible. Considering Toonz Premium is not on Linux, I wonder how good OpenToonz even is for Linux. Foundry also supports CentOS with Nuke and Mari.
People love to dunk on Adobe for ignoring Linux, but most of the industry considers that the norm.
Also Apple has invested into Blender and support for Metal is coming even though they did not implement Vulkan support.
I guess this means you aren't going to try Slackware then.
No, I am, someday
@@TheLinuxCast Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again here. Any questions, just ask. If you want less public, I've got e-mail and we could always use IRC.
To be honest the filepicker/file explorer in Windows (I'm a windows user) is kind of shit as well
I have never had any problems with my noice cancelling headphones on Linux
Amen! Also add laptop battery life to the list.
Thanks Matt, this is a great type of content
No true Linux user eats store-bought dressing
This was supposed to be an Emacs videos
"I use arch by the way" became a meme, it doesn't have the elitism connotation that it had before.
Here's my list of things that suck on linux:
(1) Desktop [gui generally most are heavy and crash frequently]
(2) Wifi [tho this is due to hw makers not opening drivers]
(3) Video cards [same as wifi, bought steam deck but mesa gpu driver doesn't work with opencl so i can't learn gpu programming on it]
(4) Video games [sucks a lot less now thanks to valve/proton]
(5) Compatability [the apps don't know bout each other and it can be hard to install linux software on distros where it's not part of repository]
(6) Fragmentation [ububtu is stable but they want snaps instead of flatpks, then arch is less stable but it has more binaries, etc. Just kinda seems like they're too much their own worlds and you should be able to take parts of each and mix and match but it's not easy]
(7) Documentation [the manuals are not usually tutorials they're a comprehensive and often cryptic list of commands]
(8) Now that u bring up emacs, there's a lot of dated software. Like emacs lisp languages doesn't have things like name spaces to help you write large programs in it. And then it like doesn't want to interface with things like different web engines easily so it's not keeping up with being modular. Yesteryears killer apps are starting to show their age and nobody's really replacing them.
No talk about graphic drivers? for me its one of the bad part of linux. But its improving over the time.
You don"t record enough your screen to show new apps
Channel your inner Lunduke! :D
One way to onboard people into linux is to NOT to tell them to use Linux...
Don't give choice ... tell to use 1 distro and that's it... otherwise they google for 'linux' and gets confused
"hey windows user, use 'linuxmint os'.. it will make your computer faster... you don't ever have to wait for loading screen you NEVER gets virus"
let them figure out there are other options and linux can get virus... :) but they will see tge advantages
That's one reason I always recommend Linux Mint Cinnamon. OOTB many basic things work exactly the same as windows 7 and 10.
And the ONLY way their Linux PCs can become digitally infected is of the end user Purposely RUNS the obvious item..
hardware acceleration, graphics servers and everything GPU related also suck
to start, most of the browsers dont come with video decoding and rasterization on (in fact decoding dont even seem to work in most browsers, especially with nvidia cards), this lack of hw acceleration leads to a horrible experience especially in low end hardware.
second xorg and wayland suck
xorg is really buggy, compositing is shitty and laggy even with the right drivers, lags also get worse with more than 1 monitor and theres even more problems
meanwhile, wayland works fine, animations in DE's or WM's mostly work, windows and compositing dont lead to bugs and lags, but gaming is kinda worse, and screen sharing/recording is a mess
How is xorg buggy? You listed no details or examples.. it works like a champ for me in Mint Cinnamon 20.3
"frantically typing away on their $20 Logitech keyboard"... That's oddly specific.... are you spying on me? lol jk great presentation.