Late 15th Century Gothic Style Gauntlets
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- A discussion of late 15th century Germanic 'High Gothic' style gauntlets and a demonstration of a nice reproduction pair of representative mitten gauntlets.
Gauntlets made by Oleg Yanchuk of Ardent Amoury-
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I love the German Gothic style. It's so elegant
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German Gothic is generally very beautiful. I especially love long Sallets
It reminds me of fantasy armor, like the armorers were showing off.
What I love is the fluting is both gorgeous and functional.
I'm a Milanese man myself. I think most people would prefer the Gothic look upon first impression but the more I learn about armor and the more I get used to looking at it, the more I appreciate the Italian stuff for it's pragmatism and simplicity. It's not much to look at compared to Gothic but it's really grown on me. Maybe I just prefer rounded shapes as opposed to the sharp and stabby look of the German stuff.
An elegant armor, for a more civilized aged.
It's just so amazing that 500 years ago people were basically building ironman suits, just such great craftsmanship, I don't think it gets the admiration it deserves, thank you for the video, have a great day!
You should take a look into the jousting shield launchers most likely fashioned by the clockmakers of the time!
Man, that laptop hanging off the edge drives me nuts.
It's not hanging though.
I lost my harddrive that way.
Why did you have to mention it? I went back to check and now I am bothered by it.
Yea, that is just asking for a broken hard disk or screen. Glad Im not the only one it triggered lol
Ignorance is better than insight.
Only gothic german gauntlets can possibly make the mitten style look good. Late medieval armor was just so gorgeous.
B. Braun i dont like it too much, but it works
Not only is it beautiful, it's practical.
Almost all medieval armor is gorgeous.
I think it's mostly due to the fact that it still maintains the appearance of there being separate fingers when they're actually fused. It's just more coherent for the brain when you look at it.
The articulation of the plates are almost hypnotic...
Almost?
Armour asmr video. @Knyght Errant we need this, please.
I own a similar Gothic replica pair with individually articulated fingers, Maximilian fluting and punched-out heart accents. It is so fun to wear them and admire how they "fit like a glove" and are "one with you". People are blown away when they try them on and I explain to them that an entire Medieval suit of armor was custom-tailored to the knight to feel like the way the gloves feel.
Gauntlet ASMR when?
Ah, so that's where Nazghuls get their gauntlets.
I can't recall the description in the books, but the Nazgûl gauntlets are definitely inspired by gothic gauntlets.
@@illoney5663 - Well, Germany. What else would evil people wear?
[Austrian make anti-German jokes.]
@@mediocreman6323 Austria gets reconised less anyway! Ich bin kein Deutscher.
@@mediocreman6323 Hitler was Austrian - who is evil now?
@@robray111 - If Hitler _was_ Austrian, then … what is he _now?_
The more I see videos of how plate armour works, the more I marvel at the complexity, craftsmanship and general beauty of the thing.
I mean I've always loved knights and plate armour, but you never apreciate how much thought and work went into them until you watch a video like this. Great job
The articulation is just mesmerizing to look at. Such a fine craftmanship.
Gothic Plate Armour is my favorite armor period. Everything about it: The shape, the fluting, the sallet/bevor, the decoration, the protection. It's just so good looking!
Pointed feet
Roman Cabay it's ok to be different but damn, that's just weird and not in a good way...
Armoured Productions Entire periods can armoured? Crazy!
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@@TexasViking_INFP-t_5w4 I get what you mean, the sabatons do look really dumb. They look like something you'd see on an insect.
that ulnar/radial deviation is a super underrated feature. Even slight motion there has a huge impact on sword work
It almost looks like hes trying to tame the gauntlet when hes testing it and holding onto it at the same time. like it's a wild creature with it's fluid movement.
Watching those gauntlets move is kinda hypnotic lol
One thing that actually let me down with gothic gauntlets -- it has this opening gap between thumb guard and main plate. I broke a base bone of my thumb when halberd went in there. Nasty experience. Still, my favourite style and I use them to this day for all the historical fighting I do.
Hello Ian, as a german subscriber of you, as I watched this video, I remembered that I recently bought a pair of milanese styled gauntlets/mittens, which are quite comparable to the cothic gauntlets, so I made a response video to expand this topic by showing the differences between those two styles, using the information you have given in yours to give everyone who is interested access to a comparison. This is not meant as an advertisement, but rather as an offer for you and, of course, everyone else who is interested, to take a look at it and discuss the topic. Because of that, I am not going to post a link in here, but if you want to, it is available on the channel. Thank you for the time and effort you give to provide this good content.
I can't tell you how much by watching you explain why they are designed that way as well as you showing the movement has improved my drawing comprehension in the first 9 minutes! Thank you!
I love your channel, one of my three favorites on RUclips. It's so educational and interesting for a subject that I think has a ton a misinformation out there. You are doing a great work educating me and I'm sure many other people. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!
Great video, please keep producing your amazing content.
I could see the slight limitation on bending the wrist forward as a benefit - bending the wrist too far forward is done in wrist locks, so the slight restriction in range of motion might be a form of protection against that.
Yes, there are a lot of cases were joint restrictions in armor could potentially save that actual joint from being destroyed by forced hyperextension and other nasty manipulations.
I know this is an old comment, but in my experience being wristlocked, stopping the motion short wont save you. In fact, it's possible to tap someone out with a wristlock before the wrist even bends at all because of the pressure applied to the articulation.
You know your content is amazing when my heart fucking skipped a beat when I saw you had a new video! Great video as always! Will try to patiently await your next.
You've been gone for a while. Glad to see a new video!
I really love the Gothic and Maximilian Armor, the fluting effect on the hands really makes it stand out, all the while increasing the thickness without extra weight and adding deflection to it also, the mittens ones especially, as opposed to the movable fingers system, there are several ones at Peleș Castle here in Romania that are of said design.
Every time you present such intricate armour I'm amazed by the beauty and functionality of the pieces. Simply stunning.
The movement in the wrist is mesmerizing! Awesome pair of gauntlets and great video.
Finals are coming up, better stay up late watching Ian.
How did the finals go?
Yes me must know
So did you pass?
In my experience fencing with sticks, I have found that getting whacked in the fingers is the most common way to get hit. I would much rather have a mitten style gauntlet than a glove style.
GenericFakeName sticks dont have a guard
@@nono9370 exactly. Not all weapons knights use have a guard of any sort, pollax sometimes included. For the most part, polearms are rather unprotected when it comes to the fingers.
being a lacrosse long-pole defenseman I disagree, if you are skilled at using whatever youre holding (and you are, if you're in plate armour), having the freedom of movement you would get from an articulating gauntlet with individual fingers is just so nice. It's hard to quantify if you've never had to do something like it. I'm not saying a mitten (especially one like he has in this video) would be no good, but the difference in your ability to use the weapon to your fullest capability is so great, when you're unfettered by the gloves. It's definitely what I would prefer, personally.
In lacrosse i've used horrible clumsy solid-feeling gloves and ive used gloves so well made i can do pretty much everything i could do without them on, and it's one less thing to have to think about or be restricted by.
if you're getting smacked in the fingers enough for it to make the difference, you were gonna lose anyway. You could make a similar argument about having a really hefty breastplate, three times thicker than usual. Sure, it would protect you from blunt attacks even better! But there's a reason they're not like that.
As always I enjoy your channel. Thanks, and keep it up.
Amazing video, thanks for showing it in such detail. Drawing articulations in armor is extremely hard, and these really help you grasp how they work. Not as good as seeing the real thing, but if you have no access to armor, then this is the best you could ask for.
Great content.
liked before the video even started. So excited for a new video.
*update: Was not disappointed.
Gosh, these look so good... even mitten gauntlets look amazing in this style!
Ah~ the detailed explanation as to why they have this bump in the wrist area is why I love to see your contents. Didn't even know that they are there. Let alone the reason for them. Thanks for the great videos as always!
And for someone who was wearing these military gears, I know those detailed designs can help so much on how comfortably you can wear them. It makes so much sense. Cause, damn that skin on boney areas hurt so much!
These look so badass! Not only does the hinges hinge, but they also flinges.
Keep up the good work, Ian!
Really nice and educational videos.
I rate you ten out of ten in my book.
Great video as always!
9:95
>wears gloves to protect it from the oils in his skin
>places it on his bare forearm without anything between
wow, that range of motion is beautiful
A video in and I'm already in love.
I would love to see a compare/contrast video for Gothic and Italian armour styles
Another quality content video. I knew I didn't make a mistake when I liked it from the start.
These are some of my absolute favourite gauntlets, actually have a pair on order from an armourer (for when I can afford them, that is) some absolutely stunning armour. Love late 15th century Gothic plate.
Thanks, that's great & interesting having just bought a pair of plate gauntlets myself.
As always, good video ;) I really hope you'll find someone with italian gaunts to do a video on!
So thank you for the vid on mitten gauntlets. I'm gonna try making this as a skill drill.
they are beautiful. thankyou for sharing them :)
Another awesome video. thanks!
That was fantastic. Is there any way you can show the other parts of a Gothic armour in this style of video?
0:12 I was a lot younger back then, but yes I recall.
Those gauntlets are a work of art.
Great video , damn some of them are really cool.
Absolutely beautiful armor
Absolutely beautiful
Beautiful
another great video.
Man, those gauntlets look *really* good
That razer laptop is dangerously close to the edge of that table and I am concerned
Those are so beatiful
Thanks, great video. I've been fascinated by Knights and Armor since I was old enough to know about it. (probably 7 yrs. old) Always wanted my own suit of armor. I like the finger gauntlets better too.
It is so satisfying to watch this gauntlet move...
Thank You! Now I know how to put together the Gauntlets of Eredin's Armor from The Witcher 3!
Great video, informative.
"Spock configuration" i love it!!!
My first time here so please allow me to make a few points:
1) Nice intro. Badass without taking 45 seconds.
2) Good content. Nice description, clear speech, lots of pics to help show what you're talking about.
3) Nice helmet on the shelf behind you.
Have a Sub!
Thanks! Welcome, and I hope you enjoy the other videos!
@@KnyghtErrant It's easy to praise good work.
beautiful gauntlet
11:18 "not only does the hinge hinge…" - Can't argue with that. :-) Seriously, though, very interesting video!
Great video again.
What was the overal design philosophy of late 15th century Gothic armor? It stands out from Italian or say English armor quite a bit. The fine lines, absence of significant pauldrons, short faulds look quite delicate. For what kind of purpose was it designed this way?
DushinSC Fluting was done to increase structural integrity without doubling mass. The Germans just went full dandy and made their technical innovation fabulous.
Pauldrons in Gothic armor didn't really shrink. They just got more closely fitted. The fitting was only possible due to innovations in articulation. The evolution from hourglass to Gothic gauntlet is actually similar. Just like how the flare in the hourglass gauntlet disappeared when articulation was added to the wrist, the flare in older pauldrons disappeared when articulation was added to the shoulders.
Faulds didn't really grow shorter. A lot of the more famous examples do have shorter faulds but this may have been a stylistic preference of nobles. A survey of lower-rank gothic armor shows that most had faulds of roughly the same length as previous styles.
the fluting btw makes the armour more rigid and it can lead to arrows/bolts that hit the armour to not hit it at "good angles" (close to 90°) (+ it can look really nice).... the Maximilian armour or Riefelharnisch took the fluting to a whole other level with nearly the whole armour being fluted
The german gothic armor was highly fluted to increase rigidity and protection against projectiles without increasing weight. A projectile hitting an angled surface would increase the effective thickness of the armor without increasing the actual thickness. Italian style armor with smooth shapes and large pauldrons were intended to better protect against wielded weapons like polearms and lances by encouraging glancing blows via the smooth rounded surfaces. The large asymmetric pauldron on the left shoulder is essentially their shield.
Welcome to Germany: overengineering everything since 1324
A practical beauty
Seeing “the real thing” is thrilling. To imagine that, centuries (plural!) later … imagine!, the history that has passed since then, and that this piece of equipment had likely been used in an actual battle! The mere thought gives me the goose bumps.
The past is magnifical:
I was militar in Spain.
In a Regiment called "Milan".
In city of Oviedo.
Founded in Milan, Italy, in 1535
like Tercio Viejo de Milan.
An Spanish Elite corps, not Italian.
To defend Italy from Franchis.
In museum we had somme olds like this...
XVI-XVII-XVIII etc... Century
I can't be the only one who watched the entire intro worrying that he would knock that laptop out of the table.
Masterpiece.
Very interesting thank you.
So cool
Gothic armor looks breathtaking badass
Yup, learned a bunch, thanks.
That was a cool video, I wish we could have seen a bigger diversity of original gauntlets but its ok. Also I would like to know how thick the plates are and how resistant they are
German gothic gauntlets
GGG
yes
I see what you did there 😉
Thank you!
Very interesting and thorough presentation in typical Knight Errant style.
Is it possible to use the "handshake" style grip with these mittens?
Great video! Thank you :)
Hi that's a beatiful gauntlet and a very good introduction to it. Would you mind showing the details from the inside in some future video? I mean the mobility of the plates as seen from the other side. I've made two sets of gauntlets but I really want to achieve that level of mobility like you have there.
I'd love to be able to help but I was borrowing that gauntlet from a friend for that particular video so I no longer have access to it.
@@KnyghtErrant no problem! I first saw this video about two years ago and it's still the best introduction video about Gothic gauntlets. Thanks for quick answer!
@knyght errant
Hey, I had a question regarding gauntlets, specifically fingers: In reproductions of late gothic gauntlets, there seems to be a lot of armourers who use finger scales, or lames, instead of finger plates. But in most surviving historical models I've seen, the fingers seem to be plated.
Is there any real difference in the level of protection or quality between lames and plates on gauntlets with separated fingers?
Thanks!
Hi, great video as always! While you were showing the range of motion, I had an idea: perhaps you could measure it in degrees, just as you did before and compare it to hourglass gauntlets, Italian mittens and so on as your reviews progress? By the way, I wouldn't like to be hit by those gauntlets...
9:34 need that motion, for sure. ya know to like um, swing your sword...
I love german gothic armour, it is so flowing and elegant, looks like fabric that has been neatly folded and tailored. And because I am german, so pretty much every museum I go to has some examples to see.
the fact your razer laptop was having half way off the table the entire video, i was slowly getting PSTD.
10:30 id say they kept in mind that if they work in grooves to make the gountlet better for punching and or deflecting. (if this particular model has been used historicly... if its just reproduced as a mitten gauntlet well then i concede my point)
10:23 Ian, do you think the lines are purely decorative, just to give the illusion of individual fingers, or do the peaks and ridges on the finger lames distribute force better than a smooth surface? Do you think this may have been a consideration?
The ridges will undoubtedly provide added stiffness to the material.
I'd love to see a video on the toe points you sometimes see (like at 1:30). Were those used on actually battlefield armour or were they purely decorative/ceremonial? Wouldn't they get super in the way?
Zach S. Banks Just as far as I know, they were removable for battle. Take this with a grain of salt.
You mentioned that decorations were popular, but I wonder if the lower end types would also have the same attention to decoration? To what degree is the type that you've shown reflect the status of a man-at-arms of your previews armour? Is it of higher status or lower? I'm just trying to put it into context with your previews late 14th/ early 15th century armour of a non-knightly man-at-arms.
Wille k there are actually a few that did not feature heavy fluting or file work, www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/306168.html?mulR=1077296318%7C2
Keep up the awesome work Ian, you're doing great! What about protection of your wrist just under the heel of your hand? That looked very exposed. Rotation of the hand is allowed by the sliding of the gauntlet over the vambrace?
Also, do you have any physiotherapy training or are these biomechanic terms you use just gleaned off of your own research?
The owner of these typically wears them with mail sleeves and 'gutter' style vambraces, so the inside of the wrist is all protected by mail (this is a historical configuration as well). I'm not sure if it gets all the way up to the heel of the hand on him or not. No, I don't have any physio training, but I've spent more than my fair share of time in the care of one :)
Nobody:
Me wanting to put my grimy hands all over the gauntlets at the museum
Well it seems that the ideal type of gauntlet would depend on what kind of opponent you are going to face. If you are going to go against people who are not using maces or pollaxes then the individual finger gauntlet might be preferable since you opponents can't really harm you and it gives more control of your weapon.
However if you opponent uses a pollaxe they can break your fingers easier if you use individual finger gauntlet therefore a mitten style is safer.
If you get hit on the fingers with a mace or pollaxe, your fingers are probably breaking no matter what you have on them :)
I wonder if it would be practical to use different types of finger configuration for different hands? Separate fingers on your dominant hand, mitten on the offhand?
Shouldn't the pointy end of the thumb plate be pointed to the glove somehow? It appears to stick out a lot.
I think you might be right. You can see in the original historical gauntlet, in the video around the 10:00 mark, that the thumb plate has two little holes that would be an excellent anchor point for sew it to a glove.
Hi Ian! Thank you for the amazing video and information. How comfortable are these gauntlets in use compared to the hourglass shaped ones?
I don't find them to be any less comfortable than my hourglass gauntlets. The only thing that throws me off is that I'm very much used to fingered vs mitten gauntlets, but that's more of a habitual issue, not any fault of design. Hourglass gauntlets, being simpler, are a little faster to get on and off as there's no strap (the cuff of the gothic gauntlets would flap away from the wrist if you didn't fasten the strap), but that's a minor inconvenience that doesn't affect the performance of the gauntlet at all.
I had the pleasure, and time, to view more of your episodes.
High quality videos, solid documentation, I'd say your channel is a must for any viewer who likes history and would like to learn more about the armours. I hereby pledge, at least until the end of the year. Good luck, sir!
Thank you very much for the detailed reply, too.
Thank you very much for your support!
I have always wondered what took so long for mitten gauntlets to come about. After a couple of broken fingers I decided mittens where the only way to go. And my life has never been in jeopardy from my hobby
I assume from the way you were holding the strap for the gauntlet when you had it on with your arm harness that if it were with a matching vambrace there would be a staple or something for the strap to go through?
No, I just couldn't quite snug the strap down on my arm harness, and since it's not my gauntlet I didn't want to punch new holes in the strap to make it fit my arms better.
That closeup at 9:10 is beautiful.
you betray your inner nerd with "spock configuration" lol
i was thinking more like cloven hoof configuration.
I loved it when he said Spock configuration.
My favorite style of armor, so sylish and regal.
Those gauntlets are beautiful!
A couple of questions, if I may:
Is there any significance to the brass rivets, or is it just a stylistic choice?
Would someone ever mix a fingered gauntlet on one hand with a mitten on the other?
Thanks!
The brass rivets on Tom's gauntlets are rivets that are there only there to attach the underlying leathers for stitching to the gloves, they're not articulating the gauntlet itself. I think the use of brass there was just a decorative choice, as brass doesn't make a great rivet for articulating steel components. As far as mixed gauntlets, I've never observed an extant armor with one mitten and one finger gauntlet. The Italians were sometimes fond of asymmetrical gauntlet styles, but it was usually something like an extended cuff or bulkier left gauntlet, not one mitten and one fingered.
Brilliant, thank you so much for replying Ian!
Cheers,
Matt