Golden Age: It's beginning and ending are well demarcated Silver age: It's beginning is well demarcated ANYTHING past the beginning of the silver age: No one can agree on the beginning or ending of shit If you've never been in a "when was the Bronze Age" debate before, thank your lucky stars and the braincells you saved
33:16 You know thanks for that, thanks for reminding me of this scene I saw out of context. When I saw that scene from Doom Patrol I felt like I needed a shower afterwards, and when I saw it again in this video I did indeed take a shower afterwards.
This is so good! I could hear you talk about whatever kind of topic concerning comics every day. Can't wait for your next videos. I'm sure the quality will be top notch. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It’s funny how we are seemingly still in the Modern Age that began in the 80’s which would make Modern Age about 40 years long where Silver and Golden Age were both less than 20 years. And it’s not like there haven’t been many big and notable developments that could be viewed as turning points since the 80’s. Personally I like the idea that Dark Age was from the mid 80’s to late 90’s and the age(s) after that is(are) Cinematic Age and/or Diverse Age. Though that has it’s own problems because the perceived darkness lasted from mid 80’s to only about mid 90’s but the movies started to make waves only in the 00’s. But if you view Blade as the starting point of Cinematic Age instead of X-Men or Spider-Man then I think it could fit. But should the Cinematic Age be the period of the beginning of comic book movie boom from late 90’s/early 00’s to early 10’s with the solidification of MCU with 2012’s Avengers or the era from the beginning of MCU in the late 00’s to it’s peak in the late 10’s? Maybe we should have a longer age here (from late 90’s Blade to late 10’s Endgame) with Cinematic Age being divided into Early Cinematic Age and Late Cinematic Age. Of course that would exclude the Diverse Age which would be the 10’s mostly. But in either case it feels like we are in the end of one era and the beginning of another one here with MCU’s (and superhero movies’ in general) seemingly decreasing success and the slow down of the biggest push for diversity when it comes to comics. I think we are (hopefully) finally getting over the worst arguments of pro and anti diversity crowds and getting into a more stable middle where we can have more diverse characters without it being such a huge deal or without those new diverse characters being created to push the more classic characters out of the spotlight or them feeling like such cynical attempts to just get attention and free promotion on the part of the publishers. I think people are finally starting to grow tired of this dumb argument because pbviously representation matters and diversity is good but just having diverse characters for the sake of diversity isn’t enough. Those diverse characters also need and deserve good stories to be able to become successful and last beyond their initial debut. So I think we are slowly starting to get there but obviously these changes in eras can’t be defined while we are in those eras. That comes much later when we have truly left these eras behind and are far enough removed from them. But it’s still fun to theorize and analyze and to wonder how future will view these times.
Super awesome video! I like longer format videos if this was three hours I'd still watch it. You just got a new sub. And i'm going to binge watch all your videos! 😊
4:30 that’s right, misprints included! So *”Crim Disnt Pay! Better Buy it ANYWAYz!”* Wonder how many ultra-rare publisher misprints exist out there?! How do you give that a value?!
Jim Shooter is why the stupid ideas implemented today were vetoed in the late 70s and early 80s. The best directive he gave was insisting that Dark Phoenix/Jean Grey be killed off. Claremont and Byrne had Dark Phoenix destroy a solar system full of creatures as an afterthought. Then then expected to write a redemption arc but Jim said she had to go.
18:39: Incredibly, Heavy Metal Magazine is not listed in the Overstreet Guide, which in my mind hurts their credibility somewhat. Will they argue it's a "magazine"? No. Creepy and Vampirella are in there. Will they argue it's too "adult"? A better arguement, but most seems tastefully done (As opposed to the Heavy Wood running feces, put out by the same). Will they argue that it has "articles". Seems a week arguement. This is a sticking point for me.
IPs outlived their comics ... that needs to be qualified. The comics outlasted the initial popularity of Transformers, '80s GI Joe, etc. The comics continued far past the point of those toylines dying. Some of those toy lines were later relaunched ... some of them several times ... and some IPs eventually rode nostalgia into add'l forms of media (movies movies movies). But some of those '80s comics long outlasted the lifespans of the 80s toy lines, by *years*!
I'm not opposed to diversity on comics as long as it's done well, but it's hard to say without being yelled at. I just want everyone to SHUT UP so I can just enjoy comic books, damnit! ...Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
Filmwise - MCU, in particular - the "law of averages" is pretty much like still waters; random samples repeating over and over again, with nothing left to see other than what you've already seen. Studios and their huge budgets look for predictability, so that's what they produce. In such a landscape, some titles like Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers are easier to translate to movies than, say, Fantastic Four, whose stories involved more internal strife within the family and story arcs building out of character development. The less complex the backstory, the easier it fits into the MCU template. Which is why, imo, 90% of those movies suck.
I don't see how modern comic book fans are divided at all. There's one side who loves their characters, their history and what they stand for, & then there's the so-called fans who are more likely Twitter web bots. DC and marvel sales figures. They're both trash now and no one buys them.
@@Pablo-ze6un 😂😂😂😂😂 is it "factual wrong" that Barnes & Noble about is 90% manga now cuz the big 2 are hopelessly WOKE & don't sell?. Hop on over to THINKING CRITICAL & educate yourself on the hard sales #'s that he footnotes in all his assessments.
@@keonscinist2333 Thanks for your reply Keon. I can't really remember this video well. Anyway what does both sides mean? Are there only 2 sides? Are all side equal based on evidence or relevance? As far as I remember this video's content, do stories around the of social issues of a time or the inclusion of all gender, ethnic, sexual groups count as an age? Also if your wrong negative bias against this inclusion becomes the centre of a video essay about comic book ages then it's a 'biased diatribe'. Stay well keon.
@@keonscinist2333 Will always stay woke, Not in the way you're using it though, which gives away where you stand in this world at this time. History is interpreted which is where his bias comes in. I wish you well and hope you learn more about what critical thinking and history is on your journey through comics.
I don’t know why he thinks there are only two sides, There are 2 extremes and there are a lot of people in between who doesn’t take the discussion seriously and just read whatever they want
You sure did a lot to be very polite to sexist and racist people that made fandom in general an incredibly toxic and unwelcoming environment for any one who wasn't a "traditional " fan of comics.
Did you miss the part where throughout history there were comics that rebelled against the mainstream? They all did it without taking over an already existing IP and twisting it to fit their world view.
34:19: COMIC BOOKS SHOULD NOT be a engine for displaying alternative sexual attitudes, other than to hint or aknowledge their existance. Since 90% of the population is heterosexual as is required for actual existance, something just less that figure would find it repungnant as superhero material, and even clser to 90% when thinking of thier children having access to it. Therefor, in a society that accepts "to each thier own" better than most, it seems classifing such comics as Mature, right on the cover is the best way to keep explicit non-hetero material away from minds we don't want twisted, just yet.
I know this is an old comment, but insane that people like you are still using "won't you think of the children?!!?" excuse in regards to justifying their homopobia. Gay people exist and said existence is not explicit anymore than a hetero one is. Treating it as otherwise is highly regressive.
Really dude? Saying someone who’s gay or anything other than absolutely heterosexual is “displaying alternative sexual attitudes” is ridiculous. Are black people “displaying alternative racial attitudes?” No, because ethnicity isn’t a choice and neither is one’s sexual orientation and/or gender identity, and your insinuation that it’s purely preferential is dim witted at best and intentionally harmful at worst. I can’t even begin to unpack the “BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!” nonsense you’re laying down in that same breath either. You can have straight parents and still turn out like shit or have gay parents and not end up being part of an evil cabal. If all the straight parents were perfect there wouldn’t be any kids from broken homes for the gay couples to adopt in the first place now would there?
I'd argue that constantly showing extreme violence without any repercussions (even death doesn't mean anything in comics thanks to all the various character resurrections) does far more damage to developing minds than anything displaying alternative sexual attitudes.
Wouldn't it be great if Marvel started a comic called "Undead Assemble!"... and, despite the adventure, it continually devolves into discussions about how none of them, even if they want to, can remain dead... and they all get around to agreeing on how, in stories, only pussy writers rely on time-travel plots which only fuck everything up for all time because they are lazy unimaginative morons? @@carlgibson285
@@OtseisRagnarok Near the end of the video when he was talking about "the two sides in modern comics" he claimed people who were dissatisfied with modern comics (or as he calls them "traditional") didn't like modern comics because of "diversity" and then claimed that the woke side were "open minded".
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So, you have your individual books and this is your trade paperback, collecting all of them. Nice.
Golden Age: It's beginning and ending are well demarcated
Silver age: It's beginning is well demarcated
ANYTHING past the beginning of the silver age: No one can agree on the beginning or ending of shit
If you've never been in a "when was the Bronze Age" debate before, thank your lucky stars and the braincells you saved
If it has to be signposted by a famous comic book cover, surely it's when Speedy started doing smack
@@billvolk4236it's certainly not AFTER that cover lol
Excellently produced, really informative and well narrated. Thank you
Good way to get more views for your channel. I can't imagine any comic fan not enjoying your work. I hope this leads to a lot more subscribers. 👍👍👍
I find it fascinating that the end of golden age innocence was the Seduction of the Innocent and a moral panic over protecting innocents.
That’s the way it always is.
Keep up the high quality
33:16
You know thanks for that, thanks for reminding me of this scene I saw out of context. When I saw that scene from Doom Patrol I felt like I needed a shower afterwards, and when I saw it again in this video I did indeed take a shower afterwards.
This is so good!
I could hear you talk about whatever kind of topic concerning comics every day.
Can't wait for your next videos. I'm sure the quality will be top notch.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks!
It’s funny how we are seemingly still in the Modern Age that began in the 80’s which would make Modern Age about 40 years long where Silver and Golden Age were both less than 20 years. And it’s not like there haven’t been many big and notable developments that could be viewed as turning points since the 80’s.
Personally I like the idea that Dark Age was from the mid 80’s to late 90’s and the age(s) after that is(are) Cinematic Age and/or Diverse Age. Though that has it’s own problems because the perceived darkness lasted from mid 80’s to only about mid 90’s but the movies started to make waves only in the 00’s. But if you view Blade as the starting point of Cinematic Age instead of X-Men or Spider-Man then I think it could fit. But should the Cinematic Age be the period of the beginning of comic book movie boom from late 90’s/early 00’s to early 10’s with the solidification of MCU with 2012’s Avengers or the era from the beginning of MCU in the late 00’s to it’s peak in the late 10’s? Maybe we should have a longer age here (from late 90’s Blade to late 10’s Endgame) with Cinematic Age being divided into Early Cinematic Age and Late Cinematic Age. Of course that would exclude the Diverse Age which would be the 10’s mostly.
But in either case it feels like we are in the end of one era and the beginning of another one here with MCU’s (and superhero movies’ in general) seemingly decreasing success and the slow down of the biggest push for diversity when it comes to comics. I think we are (hopefully) finally getting over the worst arguments of pro and anti diversity crowds and getting into a more stable middle where we can have more diverse characters without it being such a huge deal or without those new diverse characters being created to push the more classic characters out of the spotlight or them feeling like such cynical attempts to just get attention and free promotion on the part of the publishers. I think people are finally starting to grow tired of this dumb argument because pbviously representation matters and diversity is good but just having diverse characters for the sake of diversity isn’t enough. Those diverse characters also need and deserve good stories to be able to become successful and last beyond their initial debut.
So I think we are slowly starting to get there but obviously these changes in eras can’t be defined while we are in those eras. That comes much later when we have truly left these eras behind and are far enough removed from them. But it’s still fun to theorize and analyze and to wonder how future will view these times.
No that shit isn’t truth
Loved the individual chapters and I love this compilation as well.
Super awesome video! I like longer format videos if this was three hours I'd still watch it. You just got a new sub. And i'm going to binge watch all your videos! 😊
Thank you very much! It was a lot of work, let me tell you. Thanks for the sub and I hope you enjoy your forthcoming binge. :)
this was a good few episodes that everyone should watch and keep close to their heart when it time to exchange in depth about the Medium in particular
4:30 that’s right, misprints included! So *”Crim Disnt Pay! Better Buy it ANYWAYz!”* Wonder how many ultra-rare publisher misprints exist out there?! How do you give that a value?!
Great presentation!
nicely done. I enjoyed watching this
Thanks for this wonderful history lesson
In which age of comics would we see the fnords?
What is the comic shown at 35:45? Thanks!
Jim Shooter is why the stupid ideas implemented today were vetoed in the late 70s and early 80s. The best directive he gave was insisting that Dark Phoenix/Jean Grey be killed off. Claremont and Byrne had Dark Phoenix destroy a solar system full of creatures as an afterthought. Then then expected to write a redemption arc but Jim said she had to go.
Exemplary! Everyone share this stuff, it’s really bloody good
10:13 Mr. A sounds like a hedge fund manager
So well done. Thank you.
2010 to the present is “the Computer Age.”
Ive always thought that the death of Gwen Stacy was the end of the silver age of comics. Maybe its just my opinion
18:39: Incredibly, Heavy Metal Magazine is not listed in the Overstreet Guide, which in my mind hurts their credibility somewhat. Will they argue it's a "magazine"? No. Creepy and Vampirella are in there. Will they argue it's too "adult"? A better arguement, but most seems tastefully done (As opposed to the Heavy Wood running feces, put out by the same). Will they argue that it has "articles". Seems a week arguement. This is a sticking point for me.
Nice video 👍👍👍
Great series.
very informative,tq very much~
Diamond age of comics ..not often mention.
10 / 10 !
Just glad to see a Woodring inclusion at the end. :)
IPs outlived their comics ... that needs to be qualified. The comics outlasted the initial popularity of Transformers, '80s GI Joe, etc. The comics continued far past the point of those toylines dying. Some of those toy lines were later relaunched ... some of them several times ... and some IPs eventually rode nostalgia into add'l forms of media (movies movies movies). But some of those '80s comics long outlasted the lifespans of the 80s toy lines, by *years*!
You handled the "woke" industry explanation with precision and professionalism. Very, very, nice job there. ❤
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No copper. Closed video
I'm not opposed to diversity on comics as long as it's done well, but it's hard to say without being yelled at.
I just want everyone to SHUT UP so I can just enjoy comic books, damnit!
...Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
Your average manchild who dislikes politics, yet they don't want to sdmit they are giving a political opinion.
Couldn’t help but put your bias in at the end.
Filmwise - MCU, in particular - the "law of averages" is pretty much like still waters; random samples repeating over and over again, with nothing left to see other than what you've already seen. Studios and their huge budgets look for predictability, so that's what they produce. In such a landscape, some titles like Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers are easier to translate to movies than, say, Fantastic Four, whose stories involved more internal strife within the family and story arcs building out of character development. The less complex the backstory, the easier it fits into the MCU template. Which is why, imo, 90% of those movies suck.
We are living in the worst era of American comics.
I don't see how modern comic book fans are divided at all. There's one side who loves their characters, their history and what they stand for, & then there's the so-called fans who are more likely Twitter web bots. DC and marvel sales figures. They're both trash now and no one buys them.
factually wrong
@@Pablo-ze6un 😂😂😂😂😂 is it "factual wrong" that Barnes & Noble about is 90% manga now cuz the big 2 are hopelessly WOKE & don't sell?. Hop on over to THINKING CRITICAL & educate yourself on the hard sales #'s that he footnotes in all his assessments.
Yep, the only reason big two are still alive cuz they can still sucks on their host company, they're barely alive because of woke virus.
@@garrettchristensen8074what is woke?
@@parsleyisthicc watch mainstream news. You'll see.
Started well then went into a biased diatribe.
Bias? For talking about the both sides?
@@keonscinist2333 Thanks for your reply Keon. I can't really remember this video well. Anyway what does both sides mean? Are there only 2 sides? Are all side equal based on evidence or relevance? As far as I remember this video's content, do stories around the of social issues of a time or the inclusion of all gender, ethnic, sexual groups count as an age? Also if your wrong negative bias against this inclusion becomes the centre of a video essay about comic book ages then it's a 'biased diatribe'. Stay well keon.
@@josephde-haan1074 he's literally just telling what happened and is happening but I guess history now is bigotry I guess 😭 stay woke my friend 😅✌️
@@keonscinist2333 Will always stay woke, Not in the way you're using it though, which gives away where you stand in this world at this time.
History is interpreted which is where his bias comes in. I wish you well and hope you learn more about what critical thinking and history is on your journey through comics.
I don’t know why he thinks there are only two sides, There are 2 extremes and there are a lot of people in between who doesn’t take the discussion seriously and just read whatever they want
Watchmen is definitely a true deconstruction of the Superhero.
Comic books of today are just disappointing
You sure did a lot to be very polite to sexist and racist people that made fandom in general an incredibly toxic and unwelcoming environment for any one who wasn't a "traditional " fan of comics.
"woke"*
Did you miss the part where throughout history there were comics that rebelled against the mainstream? They all did it without taking over an already existing IP and twisting it to fit their world view.
Shut the hell up.
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34:19: COMIC BOOKS SHOULD NOT be a engine for displaying alternative sexual attitudes, other than to hint or aknowledge their existance. Since 90% of the population is heterosexual as is required for actual existance, something just less that figure would find it repungnant as superhero material, and even clser to 90% when thinking of thier children having access to it. Therefor, in a society that accepts "to each thier own" better than most, it seems classifing such comics as Mature, right on the cover is the best way to keep explicit non-hetero material away from minds we don't want twisted, just yet.
I know this is an old comment, but insane that people like you are still using "won't you think of the children?!!?" excuse in regards to justifying their homopobia.
Gay people exist and said existence is not explicit anymore than a hetero one is. Treating it as otherwise is highly regressive.
Really dude? Saying someone who’s gay or anything other than absolutely heterosexual is “displaying alternative sexual attitudes” is ridiculous. Are black people “displaying alternative racial attitudes?” No, because ethnicity isn’t a choice and neither is one’s sexual orientation and/or gender identity, and your insinuation that it’s purely preferential is dim witted at best and intentionally harmful at worst.
I can’t even begin to unpack the “BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!” nonsense you’re laying down in that same breath either. You can have straight parents and still turn out like shit or have gay parents and not end up being part of an evil cabal. If all the straight parents were perfect there wouldn’t be any kids from broken homes for the gay couples to adopt in the first place now would there?
I'd argue that constantly showing extreme violence without any repercussions (even death doesn't mean anything in comics thanks to all the various character resurrections) does far more damage to developing minds than anything displaying alternative sexual attitudes.
Wouldn't it be great if Marvel started a comic called "Undead Assemble!"... and, despite the adventure, it continually devolves into discussions about how none of them, even if they want to, can remain dead... and they all get around to agreeing on how, in stories, only pussy writers rely on time-travel plots which only fuck everything up for all time because they are lazy unimaginative morons? @@carlgibson285
Was educational but then went woke for the last couple minutes.
define "woke"
Is the woke in the room with us now?
@@OtseisRagnarok Near the end of the video when he was talking about "the two sides in modern comics" he claimed people who were dissatisfied with modern comics (or as he calls them "traditional") didn't like modern comics because of "diversity" and then claimed that the woke side were "open minded".
@@TechnicolorGhosts Sadly yes his name is Strange brain parts.(a fitting name)
Oh no the big Woke is under my bed right now 😢
The Modern Age should be called the Lead Age - but now we've moved into the Age of InCels.