I've got both PB Swiss and Snappy ratcheting drivers. Out of all my tools my PBs are my favorite grips, but the Snappy ratcheting mechanism is WAY better. The back-drag on the PBs is too strong. Doc you really need to try the Striking Cap PB screwdrivers, they are AMAZING! Back-drag is everything, especially when doing more precision work. If the back-drag is too heaver, the ratcheting function doesn't even work for driving smaller precise fasteners.
If you think that the back-drag is so important, then you should try screwdrivers with gearless ratchet systems such as MLTOOLS RS300 or Hazet 810R-4. They should have almost no back-drag.
@@dkostasx possibly but what i like about the gedore is that it doesn't have a bit holder, the handle is slimer and the whole tool is very light, i actually bought 2 for 18€ each
One thing I’ve never seen mentioned about PB Swiss is the way they package their stuff, absolute minimalist as it should. Many others seem to invest more on the package than in the tool itself.
Buying PB Swiss on the jungle website is dumb. There are many vendors who sell at better prices (which I can’t mention if I want this comment to stay). I am working on collecting all the PB Swiss. I need the glow in the dark ones. I have probably 15k in PB Swiss. Never been disappointed, including the one you did not like. It’s a pocket screwdriver, get a bench set if you want one to use all the time, I have I have not broken mine.
I have the PB Swiss 8510 R Set 30mm and a few Snap-on ratcheting drivers, including the stubby that Doc likes a lot. I don't mind the slight play with the soft grip Snap-on's because imo, the convenience of having the interchangeable shafts make up for it big time. But I also love the PB Swiss handle feel, robust build quality and great bits. So to me, both have their strengths. If one is willing to spend the cash, try both! 😃👍
Yeah nice. I've got Wiha, felo, MAC, Vessel and others. I've always been impressed with the PB-swiss products like how they don't taper flat head screwdriver bits so they fit flush and full into fasteners. They really are a small cut above the other top tier drivers. I think ill grab some of their ratcheting stubbies and screwdrivers.
I got the 100mm PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver and really appreciate it. As you said the lockup is fantastic. The driver is a bit heavier than I expected but it’s robust. I wish it had bit storage in the handle but that’s a minor complaint.
Finally able to get all three PB Swiss ratcheting screwdrivers. Lifetime warranty. Ratcheting mechanism so precise I can barely hear the gears. Smooth, rock solid…no slop or wobble in the mechanism. Feels good in the hand. Currently using Wera bits, but when on sale will purchasePB Swiss bits.
I love PB Swiss tools and have several, but imo nothing beats the Gedore 2675 silentgear "ratcheting" screwdriver! They took the Rolgear mechanism and made a light, comfortable, no-frills, affordable tool. Perfect! The silentgear mechanism makes conventional ratchets feel like they're in the stone age. I wonder when PB Swiss will get on board the sprag clutch bandwagon!
@HTR Some people prefer what they already know without trying new stuff... I don't subscribe to that stance. Yeah, the ratcheting sensation and sound are really nice, but it is objectively a worse mechanism for turning screws. It's like saying "I like to ride on horse drawn carriages", that doesn't make them better vehicles then cars. Ratchets do make great fidget toys though!
@HTR Backdrag is important yes, no one likes to have to turn the screw fully manually until it "catches" enough that the rachet can actuate. Also you don't really know when it will grab... it's just annoying and time consuming. Certainly not a big deal if you're just screwing a couple of screws, but if there is a better, faster, more reliable way, why not use it? Other reasons are: - it is absolutely quiet (rarely an issue, but still), - almost 0º turn needed for engagement (admittedly more important in gearless ratchets then in screwdrivers, but more precise anyway), - easier to clean, service and reassemble (watch the video tutorial on that on the rolgear site) - and finally the sprag clutch mechanism itself is sturdier and can take more abuse then the teeth on a ratchet. I've had my Gedore 2675 for a while now and I'm not going back! I already have another one on the way. I think the name of this channel is inspired! "last best tool" really encapsulates the process we all go through of discovering better solutions and the joy we get from owning and using them!
Hello From Boston! Great Videos always a joy to watch my friend. Look at the PB swiss 6510-R100. My friend it is the Bee Knees.....my favorite. although you probably have it already. looking forward to the next one.
@@svn5994 I don't disagree but i feel that just because it's overhyped doesn't mean it's bad quality, as far as the value goes, it's not the best thing out there but and i think that screwdrivers like hazet silent gear and inbus flow will be just as good as the LTT Screwdriver for the average user for 50% of the price
Not "will" but "when". If there is one thing that we can be sure of with Doc it is that he will buy every imaginable tool under the sun, especially one as popular as the LTT.
your channel is a gate way drug into high quality tools. I went out and bought the stubby PBS which exposed me to there bits and handle. Then I purchased the ratcheting 100 kit. Unbelievable high quality tool and bits are even better. The grip quickly became familiar and I reached for it all the time/ Then after using the ratchet I thought to myself I wish had some standard screwdrivers with the same handle and came across a 6 piece set with ones I haven't seen featured on your channel but if you are really looking for the last best tool I think these are them. Got them in a few weeks back and it is without a doubt the best screwdrivers ever made. You should try and feature them and I bet you'll think the same. Below is the part number to the No2 PH. PB Swiss Heavy-Duty SwissGrip Screwdrivers, Phillips (PB 8193.DN) and the set PB Swiss Heavy-Duty SwissGrip Screwdriver Set, Slotted & Phillips, 6 pcs (PB 8249.DN). Hope you see this.
You do a great job reviewing tool and outdoors products. Would like to see if you have experience with Teng Tools? I have recently been purchasing these for my overlanding sprinter van. Keep up the great reviews!
If you are interessted in Stahlwille im sry but that Srewdriver is like one of the 5 items which are rebranded you should try there Wrenches or Ratchets thats where they are great
you are right, same as the bahco and blue point ones they just use different colured handles, same mechanism (same internals as the snap on as well lol)
@HTR I have the 3 I mentionedin my toolbox and in this case the bahco, blue point and stahlwille are literally the same screwdriver, the only differences are the way the handles are highlighted (orange and grey for bahco, blue and grey for BP and green for stahlwille) all parts interchangeable, just different price points.
My father had screwdrivers that had a funny looking shaft. You screwed a screw in simply by pushing the handle towards the screw and the shaft would rotate and turn the screw. I don’t know the name of them and I can’t find them as I can’t search their name. Does anyone know? Much appreciated if you could. Thank you
They are called Yankee screwdrivers. My dad had one also. My dad couldn't change a lightbulb though. lol He knew how to make money but not good with his hands.
Yeah, Stanley Yankees. Not easy to find these days - I don't think they're made anymore, but I could be wrong. I think they pretty much went out of style when everyone started using cordless drill drivers.
As others have said, the famous US brand is North Brothers / Yankee, later Stanley. Currently the German company Schroeder makes spiral ratchet screwdrivers, with the advantage that they take hex bits, rather than the very hard to find Yankee-style bits.
@HTR Depending on what you consider important, the Megapro Automotive is the superior product between the two. I can easily fix the magnet on the Megapro by placing a seperate magnet on to the shaft. I can't fix the ratchet issues of the LTT.
That Stahlwille is identical to the Sealey Premier model, except that the green bits on the handle are red. I have a couple of those, and the stubby version as well, and they are some of my favourite ratchet screwdrivers. Not pricy, either - I think both the standard and the stubby were less than £20.
I have the longer PB Swiss sitting on my desk and sorry that I bought it for one reason and why it sits on my desk. I have never actually used it because I didn't buy the one with the bit holder. That was really dumb on my part. It does feel pretty amazing but with no bit holder it's just a paperweight for me. If someone wants to buy it hit me up.
I'm glad I got the PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver 6510.R-30 with on board ten bit magazine. The red handle material is great though - I have a few fixed screw drivers with it
For you everything is worth buying. You are a tool collector. It would be nice if you could focus on picking one as the best, so that people know what to buy.
Agreed. I have the R30 version and any bit over 5” will shake out easily. The longer anvil of Japanese bits are a little more secure but still less than ideal.
Annoying! I really like longer bits, because I am often dealing with recessed screws. 1/3 of the time, a short 1/4” bit in a shaft will not fit into the hole. I’ve got 3” and 4” bits, some with very narrow shafts. A stubby ratchet is perfect for that. But, from what you’ve said, not the PB Swiss. Thanks for saving me some money :)
Shout out to DRPD, PBSwissus (AKA Count On Tools) and the Tool Lady. All of them are awesome PB Swiss suppliers, however I have found DRPD to have consistently the lowest prices and lowest shipping cost.
I've got both PB Swiss and Snappy ratcheting drivers. Out of all my tools my PBs are my favorite grips, but the Snappy ratcheting mechanism is WAY better. The back-drag on the PBs is too strong. Doc you really need to try the Striking Cap PB screwdrivers, they are AMAZING!
Back-drag is everything, especially when doing more precision work. If the back-drag is too heaver, the ratcheting function doesn't even work for driving smaller precise fasteners.
If you think that the back-drag is so important, then you should try screwdrivers with gearless ratchet systems such as MLTOOLS RS300 or Hazet 810R-4. They should have almost no back-drag.
Try the Gedore 2675, you'll never look back!
hazet?
@@goncalovazpinto6261 Not sure who actually makes them but I think that Gedore 2675 is the same as Hazet 810R-4 or INBUS Flow 73424
@@dkostasx possibly but what i like about the gedore is that it doesn't have a bit holder, the handle is slimer and the whole tool is very light, i actually bought 2 for 18€ each
One thing I’ve never seen mentioned about PB Swiss is the way they package their stuff, absolute minimalist as it should. Many others seem to invest more on the package than in the tool itself.
PB Swiss grip is one of my favourites, didn't have opportunity to try the ratcheting one but owning many of their tools, i do belive it's really nice
Keep up your videos. Thoroughly enjoy watching them
Buying PB Swiss on the jungle website is dumb. There are many vendors who sell at better prices (which I can’t mention if I want this comment to stay). I am working on collecting all the PB Swiss. I need the glow in the dark ones. I have probably 15k in PB Swiss. Never been disappointed, including the one you did not like. It’s a pocket screwdriver, get a bench set if you want one to use all the time, I have I have not broken mine.
The Tool Lady sells PB Swiss.
Great video. Over a year later I picked this up for 60 bucks on Amazon
I have the PB Swiss 8510 R Set 30mm and a few Snap-on ratcheting drivers, including the stubby that Doc likes a lot. I don't mind the slight play with the soft grip Snap-on's because imo, the convenience of having the interchangeable shafts make up for it big time. But I also love the PB Swiss handle feel, robust build quality and great bits. So to me, both have their strengths. If one is willing to spend the cash, try both! 😃👍
Yeah nice. I've got Wiha, felo, MAC, Vessel and others. I've always been impressed with the PB-swiss products like how they don't taper flat head screwdriver bits so they fit flush and full into fasteners. They really are a small cut above the other top tier drivers. I think ill grab some of their ratcheting stubbies and screwdrivers.
Snap on is hard to beat, especially that 5-position model
Hey Doc, if you had to choose between the short and long PB Swiss ratcheting screwdriver which one would it be?
I got the 100mm PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver and really appreciate it. As you said the lockup is fantastic. The driver is a bit heavier than I expected but it’s robust. I wish it had bit storage in the handle but that’s a minor complaint.
Finally able to get all three PB Swiss ratcheting screwdrivers. Lifetime warranty. Ratcheting mechanism so precise I can barely hear the gears. Smooth, rock solid…no slop or wobble in the mechanism. Feels good in the hand. Currently using Wera bits, but when on sale will purchasePB Swiss bits.
I love PB Swiss tools and have several, but imo nothing beats the Gedore 2675 silentgear "ratcheting" screwdriver! They took the Rolgear mechanism and made a light, comfortable, no-frills, affordable tool. Perfect! The silentgear mechanism makes conventional ratchets feel like they're in the stone age.
I wonder when PB Swiss will get on board the sprag clutch bandwagon!
@HTR Some people prefer what they already know without trying new stuff... I don't subscribe to that stance.
Yeah, the ratcheting sensation and sound are really nice, but it is objectively a worse mechanism for turning screws. It's like saying "I like to ride on horse drawn carriages", that doesn't make them better vehicles then cars.
Ratchets do make great fidget toys though!
@HTR Backdrag is important yes, no one likes to have to turn the screw fully manually until it "catches" enough that the rachet can actuate. Also you don't really know when it will grab... it's just annoying and time consuming. Certainly not a big deal if you're just screwing a couple of screws, but if there is a better, faster, more reliable way, why not use it?
Other reasons are:
- it is absolutely quiet (rarely an issue, but still),
- almost 0º turn needed for engagement (admittedly more important in gearless ratchets then in screwdrivers, but more precise anyway),
- easier to clean, service and reassemble (watch the video tutorial on that on the rolgear site)
- and finally the sprag clutch mechanism itself is sturdier and can take more abuse then the teeth on a ratchet.
I've had my Gedore 2675 for a while now and I'm not going back! I already have another one on the way.
I think the name of this channel is inspired! "last best tool" really encapsulates the process we all go through of discovering better solutions and the joy we get from owning and using them!
Can confirm the Gedore Silentgear is a great, underrated driver. Has a great handle as well.
Hello From Boston! Great Videos always a joy to watch my friend. Look at the PB swiss 6510-R100. My friend it is the Bee Knees.....my favorite. although you probably have it already. looking forward to the next one.
Got a feeling you need the LTT Screwdriver to add to that collection
Nah. Overpriced and overhyped by people who don't use tools.
@@svn5994 bit unfair, have a look at the project farm video, it does quite well against the others.
I agree, I would love for Doc to look at the LTT screwdriver
Came here to say this.
@@svn5994 I don't disagree but i feel that just because it's overhyped doesn't mean it's bad quality, as far as the value goes, it's not the best thing out there but and i think that screwdrivers like hazet silent gear and inbus flow will be just as good as the LTT Screwdriver for the average user for 50% of the price
$170aud for the long one here in oz. I really want one but that price. Would be keen to hear your opinions on the wiha ultra 26 in 1
I was able to pick up the PB swiss long ratcheting screwdriver $60 so worth it, I love the thing.
Thanks for the video! Do you prefer the 30mm or 100mm length version, and why?
Will you be looking at the LTT screwdriver?
Not "will" but "when". If there is one thing that we can be sure of with Doc it is that he will buy every imaginable tool under the sun, especially one as popular as the LTT.
your channel is a gate way drug into high quality tools. I went out and bought the stubby PBS which exposed me to there bits and handle. Then I purchased the ratcheting 100 kit. Unbelievable high quality tool and bits are even better. The grip quickly became familiar and I reached for it all the time/ Then after using the ratchet I thought to myself I wish had some standard screwdrivers with the same handle and came across a 6 piece set with ones I haven't seen featured on your channel but if you are really looking for the last best tool I think these are them. Got them in a few weeks back and it is without a doubt the best screwdrivers ever made. You should try and feature them and I bet you'll think the same. Below is the part number to the No2 PH. PB Swiss Heavy-Duty SwissGrip Screwdrivers, Phillips (PB 8193.DN) and the set PB Swiss Heavy-Duty SwissGrip Screwdriver Set, Slotted & Phillips, 6 pcs (PB 8249.DN). Hope you see this.
Thanks for the tip. And glad you are finding joy in good tools!
You do a great job reviewing tool and outdoors products.
Would like to see if you have experience with Teng Tools? I have recently been purchasing these for my overlanding sprinter van.
Keep up the great reviews!
Thank you for the fantastic review! Would you be able to share the link to the 9" bit holder 01:35 ?
shop.snapon.com/product/Interchangeable-Shanks/9%22-Magnetic-Bit-Holder-Shank/SGDMRC4-80
Hello again Doc
Thank you for another Great Video 👍
If you are interessted in Stahlwille im sry but that Srewdriver is like one of the 5 items which are rebranded you should try there Wrenches or Ratchets thats where they are great
you are right, same as the bahco and blue point ones they just use different colured handles, same mechanism (same internals as the snap on as well lol)
@HTR I have the 3 I mentionedin my toolbox and in this case the bahco, blue point and stahlwille are literally the same screwdriver, the only differences are the way the handles are highlighted (orange and grey for bahco, blue and grey for BP and green for stahlwille) all parts interchangeable, just different price points.
FYI Stahlwille roughly translates to will of steel.
1:45... developed and produced by Monsanto Corp... good stuff
My father had screwdrivers that had a funny looking shaft. You screwed a screw in simply by pushing the handle towards the screw and the shaft would rotate and turn the screw. I don’t know the name of them and I can’t find them as I can’t search their name. Does anyone know? Much appreciated if you could. Thank you
They are called Yankee screwdrivers. My dad had one also. My dad couldn't change a lightbulb though. lol He knew how to make money but not good with his hands.
Yeah, Stanley Yankees. Not easy to find these days - I don't think they're made anymore, but I could be wrong. I think they pretty much went out of style when everyone started using cordless drill drivers.
@@scotts4125 thank you much. I appreciate your reply. Cheers
@@drengskap thank you for your reply. I couldn’t for life of me find them. I appreciate your help. Cheers
As others have said, the famous US brand is North Brothers / Yankee, later Stanley. Currently the German company Schroeder makes spiral ratchet screwdrivers, with the advantage that they take hex bits, rather than the very hard to find Yankee-style bits.
Stahville, or however it's spelled, is the exact same looking as the bahco ratcheting screwdriver.
Does the insider edition PB swiss ratcheting driver have the same nice handle material?
Do they make a long shaft non ratcheting screwdriver with a bit carousal?
Can you test some screwdrivers with gearless ratchet systems, e.g. something like MLTOOLS RS300 or Hazet 810R-4?
Would like to see you take a look at the LTT ratcheting screwdriver.
Seen a few videos on it and it looks like a potential class leader.
🤮🤮🤮🤮
@HTR Depending on what you consider important, the Megapro Automotive is the superior product between the two. I can easily fix the magnet on the Megapro by placing a seperate magnet on to the shaft. I can't fix the ratchet issues of the LTT.
The Stahlwille looks like a rebranded Bahco (although those might be rebranded OEM, not sure) who belong to Snap-On.
That Stahlwille is identical to the Sealey Premier model, except that the green bits on the handle are red. I have a couple of those, and the stubby version as well, and they are some of my favourite ratchet screwdrivers. Not pricy, either - I think both the standard and the stubby were less than £20.
also the same as the bahco and blue point
@HTR No doubt, but they're still great IMHO.
I can't believe pb swiss stuff is so expensive in the US, the ratchet screwdriver in the uk is only £50.
Where? I need to see if they ship overseas. 😂
I have the longer PB Swiss sitting on my desk and sorry that I bought it for one reason and why it sits on my desk. I have never actually used it because I didn't buy the one with the bit holder. That was really dumb on my part. It does feel pretty amazing but with no bit holder it's just a paperweight for me. If someone wants to buy it hit me up.
I'm glad I got the PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver 6510.R-30 with on board ten bit magazine. The red handle material is great though - I have a few fixed screw drivers with it
@@Size15s That's the one I should have bought.
For you everything is worth buying. You are a tool collector. It would be nice if you could focus on picking one as the best, so that people know what to buy.
$170 on Amazon for the long ratcheting screwdriver. I like quality tools but that price is ridiculous. I'll stick to my wera.
Swiss make the best watches so im sure they make the best screwdrivers
I feel like I'm watching old school AvE
Love mine, but hate how shallow the bit sits inside, it makes it unusable with long bits.
I dont like their reasoning for it either, cmon guys.
Agreed. I have the R30 version and any bit over 5” will shake out easily. The longer anvil of Japanese bits are a little more secure but still less than ideal.
Annoying! I really like longer bits, because I am often dealing with recessed screws. 1/3 of the time, a short 1/4” bit in a shaft will not fit into the hole.
I’ve got 3” and 4” bits, some with very narrow shafts. A stubby ratchet is perfect for that. But, from what you’ve said, not the PB Swiss. Thanks for saving me some money :)
@@gf2e agreed. C’mon PB Swiss! Lol. I wish I knew someone who could modify it for me.
Shout out to DRPD, PBSwissus (AKA Count On Tools) and the Tool Lady. All of them are awesome PB Swiss suppliers, however I have found DRPD to have consistently the lowest prices and lowest shipping cost.
I came to post about tool lady, but I didn't know about DRPD. I'll check them out, thanks for mentioning.
You found them to be the lowest?? For what products?
They are consistently 15 - 25% higher for hand tools.
In practice those screwdrivers are unpractical.