Man Alive | Consenting Adults: 1. The Men (BBC 1967)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In the first part of a special 1967 BBC Man Alive report, Jeremy James interviews homosexuals about their feelings and the opinions of society towards them. The contributors include a hairdresser, a doctor and a woman whose husband committed suicide rather than face a court case that would have revealed his sexuality. The language used in the programme is often blunt and reflects the attitudes of the time. This documentary was filmed and broadcast before the Sexual Offences Act 1967 decriminalised homosexual acts in private in England and Wales between two men who had attained the age of 21.
I love how the woman who was married to a gay man is so forward thinking and rational despite how much she must have been personally hurt by it all. What a great woman.
no
john lemon is that you ?
Yes wasn't she! Loved her.
She probably missed her mate.
what a waste.
Back in the days when the BBC made quality television. I wonder what happened to the last man interviewed? I hope he found some happiness.
The men should have been arrested for that bad dancing.
Like covering up for Jimmy Saville
@@StuartWhelan-up8vsThere's always one cretin.
My generation (I was born in 1965 and came out as a gay man in 1985) owes a lot to Roy Jenkins, the Labour Home Secretary, who was responsible for the decriminalisation of homsexuality in 1967. He understood that it was necessary for the law to lead rather than merely reflect society as it then existed.
Prejudice against the homosexual community didn't end overnight. It still exists from a bigoted minority today. But making homosexuality legal, and therefore visible, was the first important step on the road to public acceptance.
The opening scene where the guys are dancing was gay disco in Soho, London, I worked there in 1966 onwards, it was in its day the best xxx
Hooray for your choices!
Leduce, in D'arblay Street.
I always wanted to find where the lesbian club was off Kings Road, featured in the Killing of Sister George.
Christ. I'm gay myself and I find this heartbreaking. =[
Man Alive | Consenting Adults: 1. The Men (BBC 1967). 3.9.24. you're gay? Can't say I am. I do find, nowadays, that this enforced liberal purview suggests the sexual cliques are just as stifling and tiresome as that which they seek to distance themselves from. A tradition around the world with anything....very boring. This man alive expose would have been outre back in the day.....
The quiet dignity and respectful, intelligent articulacy of these men who were forced to live in the half dark is quite astonishing. Thank god things are now so much better for gay people who are now in many countries equal before the law and accepted as full citizens.
Well said
Quiet dignity is exactly how I would describe a male friend I had in the 70’s, he was then in his late 50’s, I was in my 20’s, we got on instantly and were dear friends. I miss still.
Heartbreaking!
What an important documentary so we can see how far we've come
I admire those brave men (and woman) who agreed to be interviewed!
Thanks for sharing Carlton x
That last interview moved me to tears.
So much for the swinging sixties! Homosexuality was still illegal and abhorred by society, and this is the so called summer of love. The woman at the beginning who's husband killed himself because of the shame attached to his homosexuality, is amazing in her compassion and, for the age, open mindedness. A revealing look at a still very repressed age. Thanks.
In 1967 homosexuality was made legal in the UK, abortion was legalised at the same time, and the contraceptive pill was made much more widely available.
Anthony Monaghan
The whole swinging 60s thing happened for a reason, it was a rebellion against this sort of stuff
I think it was very bold for its time. I think my dad's generation would not have even watched this, they would switch it off. My dad's friend said it was 'filth'.
@@RedheadLondonit is filth
@@RedheadLondonI remember my music teacher in 1971 saying with real venom " I can't stand queers ".I was born late 1950s and I'd say that en masse societal acceptance of homosexually in Britain didn't really occur until the 2000s.
So sad to hear that gentleman say he wishes he was normal.
Good for you xx
Goodness the music transforms me back to being in junior school in the late 60s. Amazing time, but how things have changed.
The hairdresser chap is fascinating, given how candid, relaxed and erudite he is. I can hear a slight mid Atlantic accent..? I wonder what became of him, later in life.
He says he moved to Toronto when he was sixteen, so presumably Canadian. I wouldn't have picked up on this, must be very subtle.
I remember watching many Man Alive documentaries as a child/ youngster in the 1960s/ 1970s ( the theme music is powerfully evocative for me). At the time I found most of their subject matter interesting but it's only 50 + years later via the internet I realise just how much they often provided a superb commentary and record of the social mores of Britain in the 1960s and 70s. People watching this today should understand how brave the participants were to participate openly in this documentary. I cannot begin to imagine what it's like to have to live your entire life suppressing your true character and need for emotional fulfilment for fear of attack and destruction. The lady whose husband commited suicide provided powerful testimony and made me think of the Sylvia Syms character in the superb 1961 film" Victim " which also starred Dirk Bogarde.
The woman at the start is very open minded and wise. Although it annoys me when they compare sensitivity to sexuality.
It's very amusing to observe how many supposedly straight men are trolling these documentaries, loudly proclaiming their disgust. You aren't fooling anyone...not even yourselves.
Justin Aames no i think they are fooling themselves thats the point!
* trawling
@@SikanderG that's not a euphemism, by the way
Ad Hominem fallacy.
Ironically, for me the saddest part of this documentary (at about 16 mins) is the couple, who seem distant from each other - the man on the right, especially, with the moustache seems (to me, at any rate) just about able to tolerate his companion of 26 years - they sit quite apart, his companion seeks confirmation on some points from him which he seems unwilling to give. They seem far more alone than the hairdresser and the doctor we saw before them. They seem to be together for convenience rather than love or even affection. I didn't like the way the final speaker helped the police catch the soldier though.
I love the start as the person running the dub onto the time coded VHS 📼 realised that the TX date was wrong and had to delete all of the input then key it in again correctly.
If it wasn't for the many F&V.TL time coded VHS 📼 viewing copies out there we would still not be able to watch programmes like this.
I have said for many years that if there is nothing worse than BBC content being missing, presumed wiped. It's when it's known to exist, yet just sitting in the archives locked away from the viewing eyes 👀
thanks so much for these uploads. true documents of brave lives
Sir Lawrence Olivier and Dame Joan Plowright were married for nearly 30 years, and she knew about his homosexuality. She even addressed the subject after his death.
Having read just about everything written about Sir Laurence Olivier , there is no evidence or cause to suggest he was and plenty to confirm he wasn't. There were many including Sir John Gielgud and Noel Coward who stated that it wasn't so. Joan Plowright's only comment was during her Desert Island Discs interview when she said that no man had ever claimed to have had an affair with Larry though plenty of women had but ultimately it didn't matter, his genius was enough. He had had a long affair with Sarah Miles during his third marriage and she liked to think he was but then she was startlingly unconventional, even outrageous and looked for and enjoyed any tricksy business to stir. His son Tarquin was/is adamant he was not bisexual. The notorious Spoto started the rumour to sell his trashy book. Olivier's genius deserved much better.
interesting... so interesting. thanks for posting!
Breaks my heart to think of the persecution homosexuals have had to go through. Im just glad things have changed so much over the years 🏳️🌈
Incidentally im more shocked seeing a Dr chain smoking...yes i know it was the 60s 😘
In the closeup 6 minutes in, cameraman David Whitson had the camera on his knee and looked down into the upright viewfinder, a technique that often caused a bit of shakiness.
"This man is a hairdresser.. ."
I also noticed how Monty-Python-esque that sounded!
DarrenBonJovi typical of most gay men
Devin Peirce really? I for one am not a hairdresser 😂
@@theocean1973 Say no more!
1 in 20. I'm pretty sure it was more than that in reality. I've been actively gay for 40 years and have known hundreds of men who are 'straight' but are Bi/Gay and who don't fit the ' stereotype' which often means jack shit anyway.. There is no stereroype..
And I'm SO glad that the first man said he didnt want to change and was happy and secure with who he was.Exactly right. Bravo!
What is abhorrent is that the belief prevailed that parents should have been worried about taking their sons to them.Jesus! He demonstrated that he was a professional and that's it end of and wasn't necessarily attracted to children.. End of!
Powerful to watch. Thank you 🙏
Hi, I'm looking for the episode ''Alone'', broadcast Christmas 1970, does anyone know if this episode is available online anywhere? I've been searching for it but have found nothing. Such a shame that great documentary programmes like this have become so obscure and lost, the BBC should release the entire series on DVD.
I always wanted to watch Take Three Girls but I read they taped over the originals, so only three are left. The Likely Lads, etc, Public Eye, were all obliterated. A few remain, but most things from the time are long gone. I suppose in those days no-one ever knew we'd all have our own computers and mobile phones in our living rooms, so could watch all these oldies again. Shame, so much good stuff lost.
There is still some prejudice and homophobia, but its not as rampant as 1967, got worse when aids came along, but these days, I can openly be gay with little fear of the problems spoke of in this film
It's not perfect but much improved
This unfortunate fellow! Thousands of men and women had compassion and identification and took to the streets to demand civil rights, and eventually the American APA removed homosexuality from their list of psychiatric disorders. It was a start that took another decade or three to come to where we are now. I don't want to forget the pioneers; they were effin' brave.
very moving to listen to!
People forget that although 1967 brought great social advances, fudge nudging was still illegal in Scotland until 1980!
It's still illegal in the Isle of Man isn't it?
God what an absolutely amazing age that must have been. To think that these poor guys had to give an absolute fuck what everyone eles thinks and then on top of that the fucking law actualy backed up the predudice!!
The poor guy who hangs around public toilets for casual, and looks at three year olds in a sexual manner ?
O come off it!! are you suggesting that a guy like this, to stick to the subject matter, has no integrity? and as for social 'norms' just tell me, what are these bloody 'normals' in life? Of course the fact is they dont dam well exist. If thats what does it for some, well build more public toilets!!!
mikee758
You used the 'N' word..
Well i just take a 'horses for courses' 'live and let live' approche to life. Lots of things i dont lke personaly, men with men is one of them but who the hell am i and look at what some have been through for the cause. OK some people have problems that interfer with others, all i would say inthat case is lets stick to treating them as problems, violence being an exception to that.
mikee758
That all sounds fine and I could have said some of it myself, but to answer your previous question I'd suggest that in the 'new age' normals have been wiped away thus normalising everything. That can be a dangerous path. It's culture destruction, not that there's much genuine culture left..
Typical "MAN ALIVE" interview with David Whitson behind his trusty Eclair NPR camera. Filmed in 16mm with the BBC One Man light kit.
Man Alive | Consenting Adults: 1. The Men (BBC 1967). 3.9.24. these people are psychotic. Psychotic people reside in every facet of society....
This show Man Alive made Cyril Smith a household name in the show 'santa claus for a year' . The presenter / producer was to marry Esther Rantzen who would later claim no knowledge of Cyril Smiths sex crimes despite testimony to the contrary . The santa claus for a year episode has been removed from the BBC 2 archives .
I often think of how Dessy's wife wrote about how he left her. She said Des worked late nights with two research assistants, one Rantzen, and she was 38, almost past it, with fish net tights. She unashamedly took the woman's hubby away, but then, he did not have to go.
Great documentary, but unfortunately that first guy was really really wrong in saying he was made homosexual. He made some greats points , but nobody chooses their sexuality.
I think you are absolutely right. I can remember being as young as 7-8, finding some girls and boys attractive in my class, and wondering what the hell was going on. Fought it for decades.
@@theoriginalbluey I’m 49 now and a gay man . I didn’t come out to myself or my family until 2017 when i was 42. Such a waste of my young life . I can remember from about the age of 10 being attracted to guys , popsters ect . A few kids at school picked up on me and i had a few name calling incidents. By the time i was at high school i must have been doing a good job of covering it up , as no one said a thing to me bullying wise . But i was a very lonely teenager in the 90’s sitting in my bedroom. Luckily i met a great guy in 2017 who on still with . And my parents could not have cared less when i came out to them .
_"For many of us, men dancing with men is revoowlting"_
Really shocking hearing that mentality now. But also really funny.
What’s that theme tune out of,I’ve an oldest laddie o mine and he’s gay and he couldn’t tell me till he was 21 near 22 and he manages to tell me,introducing me to his partner and I said “ cool cool but no carrying on when I’m around “
I wasn’t half the man my son was on reflection which thankfully was quick enough my lad felt he could have anything to do with his old school 70s housing estate street af old man.
Love is love 🏴
what gets me is statements like would parents be worried taking their children... to this doctor... what about secret paedophiles who are "straight" men... shouldnt the parents worry?
Well that was part of the problem, for centuries homosexuality was conflated with pederasty, which is obviously bonkers since so many gay men are sexually attracted to extremely masculine butch men rather than androgynous boys...
I think folks used to mix gays with paedos. I watched an old 'public information film' from America, and a man was sitting in a car watching schoolkids. The film was to warn kids not to get into cars, etc, but they called the man 'homosexual'. He was meant to be a paedo, but they thought it was the same thing, thus gay men were labelled as paedos.
I thought the hairdresser guy was nice looking, and I wonder how the boy's mother knew her son had been with a soldier, poor kid had to tell it to the police.
The so called ‘good old days’. Certainly not for a lot of people and thank goodness things have changed for gay people. What the state did to them was utterly despicable.
Iam gay and bloody proud
I'm glad I'm not I love pussy
I rly want to know what happened to those man. Is there anyway i can know their names?
I'm horrified.
The first man is absolutely fantastic. Anyone know how to find out about what he's doing now (or if he's still alive?)
AIDS got him.
Man Alive | Consenting Adults: 1. The Men (BBC 1967). 3.9.24. Refer to Rutland TV's take on matters regards private enterprise prisons.... To paraphrase: Mrs fletcher had Johnny cash come sing...
Am afraid the trolling and homophobia continues until this days (2020)
Men dancing with men!!!??? (Puts foot through tv screen)
Revoowlting! I'm a bit ashamed to say, I laughed out loud at that bit.
The lesbian club was the Gateways, i knew the doorperson Archie, sweet.
My state recently decriminalized this behavior between "consenting adults, but "a change in the law doesn't guaranteed a change in attitude by the rest of us".
Partly decriminalised in England and Wales only eg Scotland had to wait until 1980.
I honestly can't believe what I'm hearing. I hope the makers of the documentary looked back one day in shame.
Andrew Wells you have to see it in the context of the time - to even talk about it in such a matter of fact way was really going against the grain at the time.
I don't know if shame is something that people learn from.
I think looking at the society that prevailed at the time is how you learn from it.
Nature/nurture? There is a third possibility.
RICHARD LAVERSUCH
That being?
@@frankiemia Reincarnation and karma. People's life experience is at many stages affected by their consciousness and karma.
@@richardlaversuch9460 Hahahaaa
@@2001jackfrost I am not censorious or judgemental; there are a number of reasons for a homosexual orientation but consciousness and karma are often a major factor. That is opaque, I know, but a great deal of analysis is necessary to produce a satisfactory hypothesis about it.
@@richardlaversuch9460 Scientology?
Poor buggers!
im not gay so im guessing here, but i reckon since its become mainstream, i reckon it has taken a lot of the sexual energy out of it.
What do you mean?
@@marksc111 i think they liked the thrill of it being illegal.
1 in 20.....look out, boys
Backs to the wall ;)
How time's have changed, for the better. Now instead of being the only gay in the village to the whole country is gone gay mad, and so say all of us. Sad time's they we're. Gay pride and Heterosexual pride and the Rainbow gang. ✊☘️
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Both my male cousins are gay & lovely people,oh my gosh they would be horrifiedif they sawthis😮😮 the inane,stupid,prejudiced questions spoutedby the interviwer would be almost comical if you didnt sense the glaring homophobia underneath x
"For many of us, this is revolting" Yes, yes it is.
mercster why are you watching hillbilly
youre not fooling anyone mate
@@midwest_princess123 I love how people defending this kinda stuff, think the best insult you can give is calling someone else gay. Are you sure you're thinking clearly, "mate"?
@@mercster your feelings of revulsion dont matter to the fact that being gay is as fine and good as being straight
It says on your channel that you like poo… can you clarify? Do you like eating it? Or is it your number 1 bedroom fetish?
Tell me again, what your idea of revolting is?
Damn sex cults