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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- About the way how artists feel they are bigger than the project created not just for them but for everyone. About the absurdity of their behaviours widely tolerated, without any tolerance back. Is this the future? Should we really be silent about it? Let's talk!
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Marko Baby lasagnais the example how to respect all other artist
True.He lost the 1 place but didn't react like a child, and I'm not from Croatia.
I agree with your assessment of Eurovision 2024. I'm Canadian, and this was the first time I watched Eurovision live. My pre-teen son was the one who got me interested in this competition. I had to discuss political issues with him and how crazy the world is now. It was totally sad how things went down.
I have to say I LOVE Baby Lasagna and his humble and respectful personality...we need more artists like him!
He is a great person. The Croatian government awarded him unexpectedly 50.000 euros after the Eurosong and he replied that there were people who needed the money more than he did, so he donated the whole award to 2 children oncology hospitals (and he is not rich, he was broke before Eurovision and worried about the future and how he would pay for the upcoming wedding and how to form a family with his fiancée). And he never bragged about that donation. The other day he visited the 2 hospitals, which were so grateful for the donation (Croatia is a small country and it is not rich, so it ment so much to them), but he didn´t say a word about those visits on his social media, I found it reading some local newspapers.
Thank you for this video, I totally agree. So many rude artists that really acted like bullies. The artist who complained it was so hard to perform after Israel…. The girl just had to perform in front of a wall of booing, and then it’s hard for him to be cheered on when he performed? Good to hear someone talk sense 👏👍
Omg so glad you put it all together and said it out loud! You perfectly illustrated all my thoughs. 100% standing behind every word you said! Thank you for this video!
Personal agendas overtook the songs this year. WHat gets me is that some of these artists tried to sneak in messages and materials after all the contestants were told to respect the rules. Nail poilish, a color palette on a leg, a non-binary flag, not coming to rehearsal, no participating 100% to a rehearsal, I mean it was getting ridiculous. Maybe they should cut out the Thank you's after every performance like they did in Liverpool. THere was also some fundraising from the Ukraine delegation for rebuilding schools in the Ukraine. Benevolent cause but not the right place and time.
Ther is a time and place for everthing, something I was told often growing up.
also their delegations should tell them... this just went out of control. OFC they like to blame EBU, but EBU is not responsible for their own behaviour...
I bet Ukrainians would also like to live in a world where they can just attend Eurovision, have fun, and not think about destroyed schools in their country.
Thanks for beeing saine! It feels like the world has gone upside down. I think you are so correct. I think those ppl are narssicist and spoild. The think that they are someking of freedom fighters or justice fighters but they are just selfish . And litteraly vìolant and bullis and the booing.. It was so hard to see that in this Erovision this year. Thanks for some light and reason!❤
It was one of my favourite years for MUSIC, but oh god, THANK YOU for saying it - it was ruined by nasty, manipulative artists egos and their personal brand marketing schemes. Artists who make their politics their whole personality. Artists who see a trend and follow the crowd for points. The noisy, 'oh, Israel is included, how awful, I must boycott 'cos of my very pure conscience' from many artists, followed by absolutely no boycotts at all, at ANY POINT. Look, it's fine to focus on your career, just stop pretending you are such a pure creature of epic conscience at the same time. It was a very common thing these days, political piety points-seeking that draws news articles, praise and useful controversy (see news articles) to them. Some artists were wonderfully level-headed and professional - Baby Tasagna, Raiven, Teya, and Kaleen for example, but some I was personally disgusted by - including that Greek mess acting abominably in the second semi press conference. Bambi made Eurovision some political battleground then cried when beaten at her own game by a much smarter, tougher, more resilient opponent. Fffs, grow up. Why people decided to act like Joost was some sad victim too just said a lot to me about certain parts of the ESC bubble and fandom - and the fact that they continue to somehow blame Israel for Joosts's own idiotic lack of manners and general ability not to get himself into trouble by running his mouth. The other part is all the crying about being filmed by whoever - do they not get that ESC is a HUGE undertaking to stage, a live show with 30+ acts that need to be put on and got off a stage along with various stagings and props - of course every act is a cog in a huge machine, it's going to be pressurized and likely overwhelming at times, but it isn't some personal attack on your 'boundaries' by the EBU. It's a giant worldwide media event. You;re there to be exposed and promoted. I get some in the end don't enjoy it at all, but that's the nature of the entertainment beast at this size and level.
I would just say - of course they knew it - but they just had an urge to bully, much more importantly, than anything else. Sad, real, shameful and hopefully never again.
@@JanBors I think the social media circle jerk has a lot to do with the expression of that urge.
I kinda get what you mean, but you all only look at the one side of the medal. There are literally a lot of videos on internet of Israeli delegation literally bullying, filming without consent and making really nasty comments on other artists through out the whole Eurovision event. Hmmm maybe that's why some artist treated Israeli delegation this way, and you don't talk about it? Even many artist that weren't inherently attacked by the Israeli delegation talked about this problem like Luna from Poland or even Baby Lasagna (if i remember correctly) mentioned the weird atmosphere on this year's Eurovision. If we talk about Eurovision not being political, literally there would be no problem if EBU stopped inviting country's which are at war because it will of course bring a lot of politics and controversy (no matter if it's Israel or Ukraine, which i do really love and appreciate the whole culture and music but honestly, country at war has more impirtant problems than taking part in music event i guess). About Joost, i don't know what you've heard, but the official info says he was filmed without the agreement to do it, Dutch delegation literally asked EBU not to record Joost after his performance, they said its okay but then it was ignored. And now we are talking about "woman harassment" when he literally just pushed her camera away from her and she started playing victim card when she was the one who pushed boundaries of other human being. You are all talking about Eurovision not being political but in the end, defending Israeli delegation's actions and harrasements of other artist's just because oh oh oh poor 20 year old girl, and defending EBU while they were just making bad decisions and generally poorly and unprofesionally taking care of contest, is actually picking sides, it's just funny for me to look. Like i said at the beginning, the medal has always two sides.
Croatia the real winner and no politics❤
Croatia wouldnt had become second if the netherlands wouldnt had been disqualified.
Almost everyone that wanted to vote for the netherlands in almost every chat said they will vote for croatia since the netherlands got DQ now.
Thats why the amount of televoting was as high as it was for croatia.
Otherwise they would had been probably third or fourth.
I very much agree with you and you did a great job laying out the immature behavior of some of this years artists and delegations! Right now, I'm really shocked at how much the Eurovision fan community has partly turned into a mob and how those, while proclaiming to love and uphold the values of the contest, are so immersed in their self-righteousness as not to realize that they are destroying the very thing they proclaim to love.
I would have more to say on the various aspects of what made this Eurovision the trainwreck it was, alas, atm there is no sensible discussion to be had with those that remain in tunnel-vision without any ability for nuance, thought or reason. Frankly, seeing Eurovision and especially the fandom and some artists turning into this upside down version of what they proclaim to fight against, is beyond disheartening. And it is this trend of this particular self-righteousness that I believe will soon lead to very serious rifts and clashes between and inbetween societies. Thank you for speaking out, Jan!
Thank you for these videos, you’ve been making. I look forward to your series on staging. Please can you include the Australian entry. I believe this would have qualified easily for the final if the staging and the performance quality had been better. It had the kind of positive spirit that we really needed at the final.
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Thank you so much! You‘re the voice of reason! ❤
Thank you Jan, well said ❤
I was so dissapointed when baby lasagna didn't win😢 they were my absolute favorites!!!
Sending much love and support to you from Israel 💙❤️🫶
I was not said, I did not really have a favourite but I am glad that he stood his ground and is an example of true Eurovision
@@JanBors Sorry, I meant well said about the Eurovision over all!
I was just randomly throwing in my personal cheers for Croatia, unrelated 😅
but regarding baby lasagna, I think one of the reasons many people could easily relate to him (except for the great song) is the fact he didn't brought up politics at any point...
this is what ESC should be in my opinion 🫶
prost 🍻
Hi, thank you very much for the dedicated and professional work you do and together with sensitivity and compassion. I really wanted to ask you, because you have courage and integrity, to make a video in which you talk about the silence of your colleagues here on RUclips, those who are more famous - I won't mention names, but all the well-known commenters ignored Israel this year, and the word ignored is too mild. In my opinion, they boycotted Israel this year and did not make a single critical video about it. They thought that this was how they influenced public opinion. This is how they will 'punish' Aden Golan from Israel because 'they have the power to shape public opinion'. But the reality on the ground showed otherwise. All world public opinion was in favor of the Israeli song and contrary to all their boycotts, contrary to them and contrary to the judges, the world saw everything and was not affected at all. In my eyes it is the sin of arrogance. To think you can dictate moves by boycotting a Eurovision contestant. Instead of going against the boycotts, and the booing and abusive behavior of many participants against the Israeli delegation, instead of going against it, they supported it. In my eyes, you were one of the only ones who kept a backbone and wealth. I would love it if you take this challenge and make a video about it. Thank you
it says a lot what group of people are around the contest and morelikely its the far left or left supporters. Which is a bit different in west part of the Europe and ex-communist countries with this terrible experience. Lefties are symptomstically antisemitic troughout the history. We can see it clearly on UK's Jeremy Corbyn. Basically those anti-capitalists. Very dangerous ideology, but for some reason it resonates among artists and also losers. As it say - take from wealthy (and also jews) and take it for ourselfs. Of course those are the biggest bulies as such always were. History showed many times.
The thing is that world is not antisemitic imo. Not the majority. Issue is, that losers became powerful, every minority has a right to tell and do whatever, as
the majority took their rights before. It feels like a payback. But when it comes to majority, reality is different. People support reason. In here for example many people voted just because media was reflecting this crazy press conference with Joost and Marina Satti, also were quoting Bambie Thug. So people who would normally did not watch Eurovision (and they didnt) were sending votes anyway. Cuz actually this new rule of voting whenever you want also helped it.
What happened at eurovision, how delegation let their representative behave, how those journalist on set were behaving... this all was super shameful
You got my total respect and appreciation for being courageous and speaking out. Its the truth and needs to be said and said over again and scream and not stop till something will be done. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
thank you
Stoprocentně souhlasím a jsem velmi rád, že ještě existují vyvážené názory.. Byl jsem na místě v Malmö a atmosféra mezi fanoušky byla jenom hrozná..
Something that I'd like to add (in English so that everyone can understand):
I'm especially concerned about so-called "fan media". People without any proper qualifications trying do be journalists. Proper journalism with responsibility is not possible without good knowledge of history, politics and culture of the countries participating. Instead, many fan media just reproduce the emotions and own opinions of the authors or it's only about getting accreditations. There is of course quality fan media, but I have also talked to people saying absolutely disrespectful things. This really worries me..
I will get to this topic in one of my upcoming podcasts
Díky, skvělá práce ❤️
Jan, your perspective is correct. Several of the artists took it upon themselves to engage with activists groups, asked to boycott Eurovision by the groups, decided not to boycott, and received threats from the same groups. Those decisions should not be totally on the EBU, but the delegations or, maybe, individual artists. Maybe the EBU could better define responsibilities between EBU, delegations, and artists. It also sounds like delegations need to make their expectations of the artists very clear.
The abuse Olly received was chastening. I factored in his political
Opinions for Years and Years tbf and he did handle himself well all things considering, and kept a calm profile.
@@elaychscrazyworld4173 You could see in his rehearsal and pre-party videos, Olly was distracted. He really did handle himself professionally. His song is a really good studio track. Unfortunately, I know Ireland wanted something "out of the box", but Bambie has "gone off the deep end". The only reason I link the two is that I know they both received push back for still performing at Eurovision, but clearly they handled it two different ways.
@@lorifrancis8171 Bambie wanted to be another Hatari. Their song and performance was great, just like the Icelandic act, but at least Hatari did some things I found actually pretty funny.
@@elaychscrazyworld4173 you're possibly right. I don't really have a reference to compare Hatari and Bambie.
I'll have to go back and look. 😀
Just going by the music, I never connected with "Doomsday Blue", but I did, overwhelmingly, connect to "Hurricane". There were several others I found to be very good this year (Angelina, Slimane, Aiko, Baby Lasagna). Differences of opinion about the music is just fine and can make Eurovision so much fun 😀
What makes me shake my head about Bambie is the "victim" mentality she is/they are wanting to play now. I hate she/they experienced bully behaviors because of her/their decision to compete, which it looks like she/they did. It's even getting some attention in U.S. media.
@@lorifrancis8171 Bambie doesn’t have that much right to use Kan’s rude commentary as a front to express their long held criticism of Israel’s involvement when they come from the home country of Wogan and Norton, and Wogan would not have been as kind to their act as Norton or Scott were. I don’t know what happened backstage, and Bambie had every right to rest them or report abuse self when needed (maybe minimise social media during the event), and Kan people who were rude and vitriolic should not have been (and even as someone whose Israeli roots mean a lot to Me, I hate vitriol coming from our side as much as against it) but they came across as far pettier than us or Nemo did. Doomsday Blue is an excellent track because of dynamic layers, which my fave entries always have (Origo, Toy, Chains On You, Je Me Casse, Russian Woman, Stefania, SloMo, Zari, The Code, La Noia), and it is also comparable to Hatrid Mun Sigra for that (ie the blend of screamo with melodic vocal parts - I’m not a screamo fan but do love vocal variations) as well as political performance.
I thought the state sponsored ad campaign for televotes was the worst example of politics in Eurovision. Many smaller poorer countries can not afford to sponsor ads world wide. That was unfair. I do agree that EBU should be strict about behavior but that should be applied evenly to ALL delegations.
there will never be fairness in public vote in general. Even I am not sure to use this word is fair. Everyone does what they can or what they care. Some countries activates diasporas without a need of ad. Some countries / broadcaster gives money to promote voting or some managements doing it. Does not matter. This is just an ad for vote. If you dont want to vote or have zero attachement, it wont make you put your money anyway. Thats also why juries are important in general, especially in semifinals (but I would like to reform jury body completely) as it brings balance. You can then also say that anti-israeli campaing was unfair... we just sometimes must focus on system, not the issues we cannot solve.
If you check the backstage videos they were actually all dancing in the green room to each others songs and had many good moments with each other.
The main reason Eden wasn't part of the whole was because her own security people isolated her a lot so she was not approachable for most.
Anyway, I hated the fact that people outside and some backstage people (I think itt was reporters) went after her bullying her only because she represents her country.
She went there for the music, not for the politics and only because the president of her country is acting like a berseker that wants to keep continuing spilling blood, it has nothing to do with her.
Anyway, the reason why iolanda, marina, nemo and bambie didnt went to the flag rehearshal was because they wanted to support Joost and was against his Disqualification.
It had nothing to do with Israel or Eden.
Bambie was the only one that actively was against Israel participating and saying they cried when Eden qualified (which was stupid in many levels in my opinion).
The thing with marina was blown out of proportion and used as a behaviour against Eden which was not the case.
The video was secretly taken by a reporter when Marina was struggling to stay awake because of exaustion when the actual camera wasn't even on her.
You can also see Nemo caress here once in a while to keep her awake and that not only during Edens interview but before aswell.
Which actually is not shown of course because the guy started filming her when Eden started her interview so he can use it as "ohhh look, she disrespects israel and eden".
She was sick with fever and pharyngitis prior to the semi and had to rehearsh and perform while being sick (thats why her vocals wasn't as good as they normaly are live).
She tried to keep it together during her interview and a couple of others but when the camera was midway she started to give in her exaustion.
Yeah, she should had tried to keep it together for one more hour but sometimes our bodies and tiredness just taking over.
Anyway, she was already interviewed about it and she said that it was against no one.
If she wanted to disrespect eden or israel she would had said something during her turn but thats not who she is as a person or what she stands for.
In fact, Joost put his flag over his head during Marinas interview and also was randomly talking in between when her and others had their interviews (eden included), being annoying to everyone.
Yet she didn't complain, nor did she make a drama out of it.
So maybe people could differentiate a bit and check the facts before blaming innocent people only so they can be "ooh everyone is against israel bla bla bla" so they can have something to write, post or moan about.
People like that are the ones that destroy such festivals only so they can have something bad to report about.
Really shameful!
I am glad you are writing this as this is what is called whitewashing right? To put context somewhere else. As what you write is basically just proving my point. Artists hijacked Eurovision for their own selfish reasons, behaving like kids and pumping the community with negativity. Like an amazing example of group manipulation.
Did you see the whole video where she sat up without a yawn looking perfectly awake seconds after having her head on the table??
It was mostly the Israeli delegation that harased these artists.
@@JanBors" whitewashing" is what you are doing for the israelis . The participation of Israel was actually the very political issue of the contest. Let us not forget also that " poor and innocent" Golan who wanted to sing a very political song in the first place, declared again and again how pround she was for her terror state. And you wanted everybody to pretend that everything was about love and roses! Your problem is Marina' s yawning and Yolanda 's nails, and not a bloody genocide! Oh cogratulations, how sensible you are!
@@connie.22 Did you see that Nemo touched her arm when she got almost asleep and thats when she immediately raised her head and tried to look as if she wasn't exausted?
Yeah its the same video the israeli reporter secretly filmed and used to do as if she did it to shade Eden or Israel when she was not.
I totally agree. I don't think the Dutch are quite ready for it, but we should have to admit AVROTROS did a very poor job at guiding their artist. A lot of the drama could have been avoided if someone would have felt responsible for the public appearances. In Eurovision there should be no place for disrespect towards other artists or staff members. And they should be well aware of this.
Not sure what you wanted AVOTROS to do different as they already confirmed prior to the incident occuring several complaints where made about the subject. If an person pokes an sleeping bear in the woods enough times its gonna wake up, is it the bears fault for slauthering the person or was it the person poking fault 🤔obviously its not as black and white as that but it is what it is, joost is currently streamed the most out of any contestant without playin in the finals.so he's probably not losing any sleep from this.
@@kowaikokoro For instance, having someone sensible next to him at the press conference. That didn't look good at all. And why wasn't he just dragged away from the situation with the crew member? I'll reserve my opinion until we get the full court case ruling, as nobody knows what's really happened yet.
Well done for raising this point of view! Regardless of the hate you receive, you are talking sense!
THANK YOU!
Thanks for your essays! Just a question:
Do you think that, as a Eurofan, who loves the Contest, it is possible to further support people like Marina Satti Silvester Belt, Gåte etc., (just to name a few of them)? Because they basically trampled on the values of the Contest with their behaviour. I ask, because I still love the music by some of those artists.
I think this is on you. But come on, they dont spread hate in their songs, right? Also those songs are written by more people... etc... also - I am criticising their behaviour, not their music.
Totally agree with this - felt like some very entitled artists took part.
Every word!❤ thank you♥️🇮🇱
Thank you from Sweden! 🇸🇪❤️ the relationship between Eurovision & Sweden has been extremely damaged over a long period & some incidents, but I don't know how to fix it now after the treatment Loreen got last year when she won. And now this year when we hosted the show. And I think you say extremely good points which I consider to be the reason for the problem. And we need more voices like you to turn this around.
I’ve never experienced such an onslaught of people coming to our country and literally creating a total CHAOS. And the artists sure were a big contributor to it. They didn’t only showed up like they’re bigger than Eurovision, but also our country. I’ve never react to such things before (I should emphasise). And it clearly shows this weekend as Taylor Swift has 3 concerts at Friends Arena in Stockholm and 200,000 people from all around the world have travelled to Sweden. The contrast of these two events a week apart… can’t even be compared!
However, I am very proud of my Swedish representatives Marcus & Martinus who let the music be the focus all week and didn’t get dragged into this circus. Same with Loreen (even though European media spread fake news that she wouldn't give the award to Israel if they won, which isn’t true) who let Eurovision be the music. I would’ve been furious if the Swedish representatives behaved like these artists, whether I agree or disagree with their opinions. They’ve been given the privilege from the Swedish people to represent our country on the music stage, NOT on the stage of their personal political opinions.
They’re not political spokespeople for 10.5 million Swedes, who also pay for them to represent us in Eurovision. If they want to speak about politics every other day of the year, be my guest I don’t care. But NOT during the week when they’re representing our country in Eurovision. I reacted to this several times during the week and thought some of these artists were extremely disrespectful to their own country & people. By somehow think they’re bigger than the country.
And the other thing I thought about was the fact that I felt they just thought about their own image and fishing votes. Because WHY would these artists even come all the way to Sweden, be part of & help the same organisation (EBU) they’re claiming to fight and “support genocide & violation of human rights”? Why do they want to help them get the attention & money? Why are they allowing EBU to market themselves with their faces on their social media platforms? Why do they want fans to vote for them as it gives money to EBU? I never believed any one of them actually cared about the issue. Because then they wouldn’t even show up in Malmö. And it’s DISGUSTING in my opinion to use a serious topic or human suffering to gain your own image or interests.
Long text, but I really hope you & many others get encouraged to raise your well needed voices when it comes to Eurovision. And condemn the madness they’ve caused our wonderful contest because of their egos. And hopefully the relationship between Sweden & Eurovision can get better again. I’ve never felt more Scandinavian, we do have some idiots in this country too. But I’m VERY shocked about how Europeans have become. Because I do know that the Swedish people would also be the first to criticise both the artists and citizens behave like this when they’re guests in someone’s country. Keep it up with your work and all the best from Sweden 🇸🇪❤️
thank you, I read it like a one piece without even breathing. I am glad to read such a post because it makes sense. Logical, pragmatic and yet with heart...
funny stuff is that whole season I am listening (when I dont like some song f.e.), to not to take it too seriously... and then. But let this be a healing point for Eurovision. I think this was in the air for quite a long time. I know some artists who just did not get the reason of the show, just their own exposure and maybe this is upon us to carry it further and better. Also on EBU to communicate much much better in general, and also those fan media outlets.
@RITA thank you for your post. I'll read it again, I'm in israel and didn't realise it was fake news that lorient wouldn't give the thingy to israel if it won. Also what happened to lorient after she won I wasn't following the esc last year?? Also doesn't sweeten have large Arab population?? This mess is happening all over the world. War is never nice or good. It is tragic.
@@connie.22 thank you for your kind words! 🙏🏻 It was the UK tabloid The Sun (which is their version of Hollywood media, just writing shit) that made that fake news about Loreen refusing to hand over the prize to Eden if Israel won. But in fact, in all interviews I heard of Loreen speaking with her own words, she did NOT support how Eden was treated that week and encouraged to unite & spread love, not divide & hate. As a Swede, I knew directly that it wasn’t true. Not only because I had heard Loreen in interviews saying the opposite. But also because you never see the Swedish artists do anything other than letting the music be in focus during Eurovision.
Sweden is one of the most democratic countries in the world. Everyone’s free to express their opinions & stand up for things every other day of the year. But if you’re representing Sweden, you’re representing our country & people. The artists have been given a privilege to represent our country, in this case on the music stage. Let me emphasise, the Swedish music culture is a HUGE deal & pride for us. If the artists want to use this opportunity to put their ego first by making it all about themselves & their personal political views. Then they shouldn't sign up to take part in our national competition in the first place. We have plenty of jobs to offer them if they want to do politics or such things.
Having that said, if Loreen would’ve refused, she would’ve upset her own country & people. Whether we agree or disagree with her opinions. We have given her the privilege to represent our country on the music stage during this week. She’s not representing Sweden politically. Then we don’t give a shit about what she or any other of our artists do the other days of the year, when they’re representing themselves. But not when they’re representing our country. I cannot imagine Loreen or any other of our representatives doing anything other than going out on stage & handing over the prize. They've asked us to represent Sweden, then they're going to finish the job too. Whether they like it or not, personally. ✌🏻
Yeah, I will simply not watch it. After watching it for over 50 years.
Interesting that the land whose entry opened the first edition also was the first to.face an unfair disqualification.
probably was not that unfair, as if artists cannot behave, it also have limits...
@@JanBors yeah well, that is your opinion. But as criminal law says the punishment should fit the crime. So even if I believe every duplicitous press statement of the EBU that was not the case. You seem only too happy to forget that part of the incident was Joost apologising for his outburst. Anyway, you won't see me again and hopefully over time the algorithm stops showing me your contributions. Enjoy your life.
@@hanslagewaard5083 actually we only hear statements from broadcaster and ebu... ofc both defend their side. Police was involved. Idk, lets see where lies the truth but it was the last blow for the contest. Basically artists get on loose and atmosphere around the contest was terrible
@@JanBors not knowing what happened and saying the punishment was adequate is extremely contradictory with your so-called neutrality
@@hanslagewaard5083 where exactly I said this?
I agree with a lot of what you say, here. The EBU needs to learn lessons from what happened over past few months, as do the broadcasters. I would say that those in charge of organising the event also need to look better at their risk management - while exact incidents couldn't have been predicted, the chaos that happened at times could have been anticipated and mitigated or prevented in advance.
I don't say this to put the blame on anyone, but it should be incumbent on everyone to be playing by the same rules, and to be being honest. Part of the problem has been, potentially, increased media (professional and fan) access to the acts and delegations - on one hand it's nice to see, and nice to get the somewhat unfiltered comments at times, but on the other hand some of those unfiltered comments can be the ones that inflame a situation.
I also think what some miss is that, compared to how it could have gone, the final on Saturday went incredibly smoothly. Some fans and fan media forget that while, yes, they know versions of what's been going on and why (for example) keeping in the Martin Osterdahl song could be seen as bad taste, a good chunk of the viewing public will tune in on Saturday having seen nothing. They won't know. They'll have enjoyed the show, be a bit bemused at the booing, and vote how they feel.
For Eden, I feel the same as I did for the Russian artists around 10 years ago - they're the artist. They don't represent their government, but their country. They are not the person making decisions. She is a great singer and got somewhat rewarded for it.
Thank you and let me just add a little difference in here. Clearly Israel is a democratic country, Russia is not. And yet, Russian artists never got such open hate from anyone ever. In my theory it is especially because you are not afraid to kick to jew, but to russian? Anyway, I dont think anyone would deserve it. There are working rules and if those fit, then welcome.
Thank you
And the show must go on said an old song. This time, there was a disconnect between mind and heart. To satisfy two sides with only one award is a unique wizardry? While in the prestigious Hollywood Oscar presentations are all different participants in making movies awarded, the Eurosong looks like a village party of some drunk citizen group singing for a bottle of something. A new face and form would be welcome! And Europe is capable of doing just that!
I think we need to heal from this and drastically, but without a proper mirror, that is impossible. We saw some officials comments and its incredible how the feedback is terrible
i agree with you 100 prozent
My 3 cents. Reducing an artist's political stance to marketing & money sounds unfair, to say the least. Like many commented, "crazy times we're livin'"- Eurovision is too good of a platform to be left just for fun
maybe, I can hear their silence now, so if it is really that huge issue for them, as it seemed more than their music, that it would not end with the end of the show, right?
@@JanBors I don't know, should they become full scale activists now to justify their Eurovision position? As far as I understand the situation, a Eurovision-related problem was identified. Action was taken before the show, it was not addressed properly and escalated during the show. It makes sense to me that someone speaks up and takes action immediately when the matter is most relevant. I guess we'll see next year if EBU makes different decisions considering the various complaints they received.
@@monikac807 imo they were full scale activists during the show, not before and not after but Eurovision is not a political contest. But they made it political. It was a normal personal choice.
I disagree that the responsibility rests solely on the performers. Each individual case could be assessed. But I'm also not sure it’s possible to have Eurovision completely politics-free.. People care about politics, artists are people, and they sing about these things. LGBT+ topic has won, it is political. Where does EBU draw the line? Israel's entry is also very political (I don't think adjusting the lyrics helped much, knowing the original intention and meaning). EBU bans national symbolics on nail polish, clothing, even EU flag (symbol of unity) did not pass its filter, but the main source of conflict, controversy and politics - Israel's participation is fine? Seems like EBU really wanted Israel to attend. Despite all complaints coming their way long before the actual concert, including protests in Malmo. EBU took the risk and by doing that they self-programmed this escalation.
it is a trend to be a "rebel", but these people are not real rebels. they take the aesthetics of being a rebel but refuse to take the consequences of rebellion. they are "pushing against the system" but expecting the "system" to accept their behavior, and if the system doesn't, they get angry.
It's a mob, today is this trending issue and in two weeks it's the next trending issue that will make them loved and desperately feel part of something
Estoy plenamente de acuerdo con Ud.Siento vergüenza ajena por el comportamiento de esos que se llaman a sí mismos artistas y creo que como Ud dice debían ser amonestado por sus emisoras. Este Eurovision ha sido un desastre, pero no por co la participación de Israel sino por los mismos eurofans.Tampoco entiendo el miedo de los influencers que se prestaron al bulling y al boycot. Elimine mi suscripción y espero que todo el que esté en contra de lo que hicieron haga lo mismo.
First thank you for this video love it really moved me. ❤️I am a huge fan of this show since I remember myself, and till this year I was keeping myself updated with everything that happened in this bobble. I love this Eurovision country, I felt like I belonged to the best community on earth, and of course that my biggest dream is to see my music one day on this stage but again, all of this was till this 2024 Eurovision edition happened, this year i felt so much hate. And you are right to say that this Eurovision song contest was hijacked by the artist that instead of “United people by music” use this platform to divide nations even further. Suddenly a day later the internet feel so depressing things to watch.
Bless you man
bless you!
Thank you for speaking the truth. You are the only eurovision-related youtuber I've seen to make such a necessary video. The others just say what everyone wants to hear and blame the EBU for everything. I very much appreciate your honesty and authenticity
I am not like this, never was, I rather make up my own mind even if it means I am a minority. Sometimes I might be wrong and also have no problem to admit this. In this case I will not change my mind as I just cannot stand such behaviours.
I think during this year tempers were strained and it was obvious that this was going to happen. Artists are often emotional people. It’s central to their work. And don’t forget many of them are young with limited life experience. I think you’re maybe being a bit hard. I’m looking forward to seeing your video on the Israeli issue which I believe is the root cause of everything that went wrong this year.
the root is, that delegations let it to happen, that "journalist" let themselfs feed with disinformation and spreading this hate around. Artists were just using this card, without once being questioned about it.
Well said Jan, to the point 👏🏻 Greetings from 🇭🇷
You said it all 🇵🇹❤️🇮🇱
A very healthy perspective....👏👏👏
I have watched this vid a couple of times to try to understand what you were saying. You used a lot of words and sentences but didn't actually say much. So, ESC 24 was hijacked, you say. Was it only by Bambi? Which other artists hijacked it? And how did you come to this conclusion? What did each of these artists do exactly? I'm a bit lost and would like to understand what you are venting. ❤
Hmm, hey! I was for a while after reading this thinking if you were reading articles and watching media during last 2 weeks. And probably not, and you are right I did this somehow in the feeling, that this everyone should know automatically. So my bad on this. Let me sum up a bit for you then, at least to try:
For sure its not just about Bambie, but they was from the beginning the most vocal, most visible artist with strong pro-palestine and anti-israel voice. They cried (quote) when Israel made the finals and blamed EBU (fuck EBU) for basically her breaking up the rules (trying to override the golden rule of not bringing politics to Eurovision.)
There was also this anti-israel petition. As they would like to boycott but cannot etc...
But ofc there were others - first of all other signers of the petition. But most vocal also Joost Klein with this fascinating press conference, after which people in Czechia started to massively supporting Israel without even knowing anything about Eurovision.
Marina Satti who behaved absolutely unprofessional there and here behaviour from this press conference was absolutely unacceptable. And Silvester Belt who said, what kind of trauma he had going to perform after Israel. Those I can highlight you.
The principle that those and few others made the contest openly political and blame it on Israel was the reason why I am doing those podcast. Not that I need to defend Israel on every occasion but because I dont want this to be legitimate. First of all, artists were, are and will be different but Eurovision is here for 68 years. They are not more than this but were the first one organised group to violate the show.
Second - I hear many people say, I have also received many messages of - would be much calmer if Israel just simply was smart enough and dont participate. Well, with this logic would be even smarter not to exist, to not provoke by the existence. This is how it all started in here almost 100 years ago. Would be better not to show off etc.
Such narratives are now brought by anti-semitic modern left. And so it was dragged by some Eurovision artists without them probably knowing anything relevant and related. Making victims up to themself but being bullies in reality. And reality is the thing I am trying to talk about, not this fake empathy, but reality.
@JanBors Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on what you were trying to convey in your vid. It is more clear to me how you came to your opinion. Although I think not all artists you are critical about have acted in a certain way because of anti Israeli sentiments. But I do agree that politics and ESC shouldn't be mixed. In this highly polarised world we live in, it will only end in a giant mess. ❤️✌️
I totally agree on what you've said about horrible artists behavior Jan. It's even more confusing to me as this year my absolute favorites were the Netherlands (song) and Ireland (performance). I LOVED these artists when they were in videoclips and on the stage - the rest of time was a disaster 😢
yep :/
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Totally agree with you Jan.
This hatred against Eden that came from these "artists" could have led to a situation where one madman could have murdered her (literally).
Thanks god that she came home saftey
also this decision to have it in Malmo... everything wrong. What is the environment quality if artist is afraid to go on blue carpet?
These unocupied wannabes will NOT end a Music party as the Eurovision, they don't even have the capacity to run their lives ...😂 The public teach them a lesson ,since the parents didn't. 🇵🇹❤️🇮🇱
They have a job unlike you commenting on a youtube video.
@@Masaim6oh so only unemployed people write comments now? 😂
I am a father of a 5 year old. This year i am so grateful that i watched all acts before the show so in certain songs i switched the channel so my kid had no nightmares or watch inappropriate content for a child.
As an adult i have no problem with any act but has a father i wish Eurovison put a warning before a song (16+) otherwise its no longer a family show and the contest will lose fans because they wont grow up watching this with their parents.
As for politics leave them out of the contest.
You must refer to UK this year, right? 😂
Hello Jan, several acts. But in particular Ireland. I need to sleep and i know my daughter would not let me if she had seen Bambie for at least a week.
Like you i think song wise great year. Visually for adults it was great for kids not so much.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
@@JanBors I guess he also means Ireland and spain.
Atmospherewise this was the worst Eurovision ever. A bunch of moronic artists ruined it with their arrogant behaviour and uniting against a 20yr old. Awful.
Not only the artists, the fans were absolutely toxic and insufferable as well.
Thank you so much for this important video ❤ 100 % agree with you
Respect, Jans 👍Family show turned into a show of disrespect, hate, bullying, It was such a shame. And an artist from my country also took part in this, I`m so disappointed, angry. I can`t understand: ok, they are bad educated, know nothing or very little about history, politics but there are delegations, many people, and they can`t say anything??? To stop them from stupid behavior, They represent not only themselves as artists but also their country. How is it possible??
And yeah it`s very interesting question about "fan media" as @felixh3980 mentioned, we`re waiting your thoughts about it.
yes, it is sad to see it especially in this complexity
This year was hijacked by who is more provocative and makes it to the headlines.
While last year the songs everyone talked about were popular cause they were hits in clubs and the radio
This year all they talk about is who is more provocative and it's sad because there were actually good songs that deserved to be popular worldwide
I'm sad for Croatia because he was my favorite and his song had the potential to be a club hit
I'm from Israel and I knew there was a chance we might beat Croatia at televotes because of the situation, but I was still rooting for Croatia cause he was the most deserving winner
Croatia was a champion in the way how Marko represented them. This is for sure clear.
@@JanBors It's a shame he did not win. It would have been a nice ending to this horrible season
And by the way thank you for all your love and support to Israel ❤
All we wanted to do was to sing about our biggest tragedy and earn sympathy which we did by getting so many points from Europe. Those artists and protesters are nothing but noise
U deleting comments aren’t u
of course, I have nothing else to do
@@JanBors I knew it
off course he does
Agree with you. The contest really changed , it’s all a wokery show now.
There is no seperating the artists from their opinion. You can't say they should just leave that at their personal channels, and then go to Eurovision, sit and agree. Some tried that but the Israeli delegation made that quite hard. Also, Joost Klein wrapping himself in a flag is not him being an ass, it means he is feeling unwell. It's like his trademark move to drown out the outside when he is in distress.
Eurovision is not a platform of their political stances. For sure also not disrespect. IDK why this is so hard to accept. We all saw the press conference, so pls dont apologise bad behaviours of artists. This should not be acceptable on such level. It's a professional event, not a circus on the countryside in the middle of nowhere.
@@JanBors you shouldn't just check out your personality at the door when you're in something like eurovision. You think it's not a place for politics, I say it always has been. The Dutch 1993 entry would have been seen as a political statement if it was sent in this year and then you could've done a whole video about how it was provoking and politics should be checked at the door. You can't seperate politics and culture, nor can you seperate culture and personality.
@@atropatene3596 ofc you cannot rly separate in such scale politics or topics, but thats not the role of artists there. Like for example in football is disallowed tomtalk about certain topics after the match or doing certain things during. why? After all its a product who people watch for certain reasons and also has sponsors. Eurovision is about music and fun, not politics. So if fans outside the venue want to get political, ok. But if you're a representant of a country, you have respinsibilities. Those are actually quite well named by EBU accepted by all the participating countries. This what you are doing is apologising it. sorry, but than the product - Eurovision will suffer. Chaos never lead to goof things.
@@JanBors right but then the view of what we see as "politics" has vastly changed. Because it was a very normal thing to be pro peace and anti war, but this year Kaarija got reprimanded for saying "no war" after his performance in semi final two. Because now that is suddenly a political statement.
@@atropatene3596 I kinda think its quite clear to see what is serious misbehaviour and what is fun... when we start to question this, then where we are.
Right as always ❤
Well if the EBU allows contestants to hijack the show by inserting their political or other opinions then does it go any deeper than that, they allowed it. Hard disciplinary actions should've happend to make an point such as with the nails etc.
well, I saw in one TV interview I was, that its hard for organisers to really fight it. If they decide to do this, you cannot just disqualify them all. As you will not have a contest. Imo there must be very strong talks with delegations. Also we see clearly from some public talks, that some of delegations dont see the problem of their artists at all. This might be a huge issue for the future.
im not harfcore fan, but esc is something bigger, so i like to watch. wrong turn 😬
Incredible as always.
Thanks again!
If you want a boycott, just dont go. The reality is that it was political to try drive up some artists interest. Bambi thug without politics was rubbish
idk but for sure some of them played this card, vile
Artists are narcissists ,but eurovision is a song contest which is greater than all its parts ,so just focus on your art of singing and performance ❤
of course this is a wider topic in general, artists are human, them as anyone else can have opinions and expression. At Eurovision imo it should go with some respect also, tolerance also and representation values. World is divide, artists are divide and Eurovision seems to be also. This is a challenge of us all. Still I am far away to accept such behaviour at Eurovision, as acceptance of this behaviour, is the end of Eurovision for sure.
Thanks for your great videos! I've been disappointed by so many artists and RUclipsrs this year. So sad that this Eurovision was so ruined. I unsubscribed from everyone who agreed with this bullying.
that must have taken some time as they were plenty sadly who forgot what is this event about
I agree with you..the problem is that the whole world has gone mad and full of hate its scary!! I have 2 boys aged 13 and one of them told me about 4 months ago that he wished he wasn't Jewish because everyone hates us I told him to be proud of who he is and they are the one's who should feel ashamed!! Luv from Israel 🇮🇱 ❤️
this is absolutely sad and it is just because we tolerate such behaviours. We are simply silent or we are scared. And this is bad, as scarcity always implies violence, this comes hand to hand. We accepted it in a way of tolerance... and we forgot what is it. It is very sad. But love from Czechia!
@@JanBors love will win!!🙏
This breaks my heart. It’s been an awful period of time. Give your children a big hug and let them know they are loved
@@FrankNovember thank you soo much
please do not be ashamed to be jewish. but do be ashamed to be from Israel.
Ah yes... shame on the artists being against the participation of a country illegally occupying territory and committing mass murder of children, but no shame for the country putting the contest in disrepute by doing these things. I knew the government of Czechia was very pro-Israel, but I did not expect this from you Jan. Very disappointing!
Very sad for me is, that you know nothing about the history
@@JanBors You don't know me, so you cannot assume I'm not familiar with the history. I know the history well enough to know that it does not justify what Israel is doing.
Thanks for these “loser” videos and for being a sane voice in all the craziness, I agree 100% with what you are describing! The uneducated part when it comes to comparing Israel with Russia, why the artists even went to Eurovision if they were so bothered by Israels participation, which their own broadcaster had no issue with?! Fans with accreditation acting unprofessional and refusing to treat Israel as any other entry. They don’t have to like Israel but they should at least behave professional and civil against other people instead of the pettiness and acting like ten years old. And the blame game and the inability to see their own part in why it turned so toxic… etc etc
I’m not a huge Eurovision fan myself but this year I decided to follow the Eurovision fandom for the first time in my life because I’m Swedish and we were hosting it, so I thought it would be fun. At the end it was like watching a reality show on speed and added to that all the angst and tension for the possibility of a terror attack or riots. After the final all I felt was sad and drained and now I hope Sweden never wins it again because it was not fun at all. 😂
Just want to add that I also really appreciated your videos about the staging in Melfest, it made the contest much more interesting to watch. Hope you will continue doing that next year.
many thanks!!! I'll do my best to continue, I enjoy it. And also I feel it makes sense, at least for few and to me too. Thank you for this post!
Europe will have to deal with the islamic anger.
that is for sure sooner or later
07:50 An important part...🙏 I'm tired of arguing with (08:23) extremists, fanatics, wannabe fans, wannabe artists, and wannabe media. From now on, I'll refer them to this video. Thank you!
Exactly.
Croatia 🇭🇷 delegation should leave competition
why? after they did their historically best result?
It won't happen
It it wont happened I hope that any others artist from Croatia will not pass in final
Hello Jan. I was defending Eden Golan during a long time against the bully she had to suffer, even after her selection. and i was arguing with very angry Eurovision fans but the attitude of the israeli delegation behind the scenes shocked me so i could understand other artists were nervous. This and all the paid ads, the shocking propaganda and satire shows on KAN channel and other israeli channels. With all of that i couldnt defend her anymore. The gaza situation is something very sensitive so artists are not indifferent to it. I wont insult her but i will certainly not defend the israeli delegation anymore. I ve changed my mind
I am also not happy if delegation members were behaving badly, but no one knew them before Eurovision and the behaviour of hate started way before Eden Golan was even selected. Also the ads - many countries were doing the same, including Latvia. Maybe not for Foreing Ministry, but come on, UK would be so happy if officials would back it also. This is nothing. Everyone is doing adds but the biggest adds for Israel was simply this antisemitism. In Czechia, this was the biggest reason why Czechs gave 10 points to Israel in public voting. 12 to Ukraine is also obvious.
And important about satire - it is a satire and I wish you read BBC's Eurovision twitter for past few years. IDK what you would say about this.
So you can still defend antisemitism. YOu dont need to support individuals or defend them, I also dont do. But this had nothing to do with individuals, its just an excuse. Its clearly cuz of the country, using words and narratives which are not true. Starting with the simple fact, that bullying started in Europe, fans protesting, artists talking about boycotts, being clearly hateful during Eurovision. Its just you dont want to accept this, does not mean it did not happen.
Sorry! Was ich ganz schlimm empfinde ist die Mentalität:
"Wenn du nicht mit uns bist, dann bist du GEGEN UNS!"
Man darf gar nicht mehr diferenziert etwas kritisieren, man ist sofort DER FEIND.
Es gibt nicht nur schwarz & weiss.
Das ist bullshit.
It's so clear that you're biased towards one specific country. If you weren't, you wouldn't create two separate videos (and so overtly) and would elaborate on the reasons behind such stances from the Eurovision artists. You're talking about these incidents like they don't have any base. But guess what, each and every day that passes by, more and more OFFICIAL national broadcasters are talking about the matter, pointing EBU and the Israeli delegation. So, it's not just a childish behaviour from a bunch of artists, we're talking about a general dissatisfaction among the contest's own members. So many artists (and not only the ones who provoked in that press conference) are talking about harassment, about one of the worst atmospheres they've ever experienced. And yet you choose to support the one delegation who seemingly were the one to mess it up. Utterly shameful and disappointing from you.
And to think that you once were a head of delegation... You deteriorate so easily the behaviour of other colleagues who come forward and put the matter into perspective, the feelings of the artists who at the end of the day, they are the most important piece of this contest and shouldn't have to put up with any kind of crap. I guess you are free to support their agenda though, the door to that Israeli-backed Luxembourg NF will always be open anyway...
I think you are to obssesed with Israel. I would actually tell the same if the centre of such behaviour would be any other country.
תודה!
thank you ❤️
These people are not the losers of eurovision, they wanted to make their voices heard about how Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and has killed 14000+ children in 7 months and that's their right. Freedom of expression you see. The EBU should let them speak about that and also should not have let Israel spread their propaganda in a song contest.
oh well, but Israel is not commiting genocide there ;) Thise numbers of yours are already proven wrong, actually is more than 3 time less and just because Hamas brought war among its land. Why? Because they actually want to do River to the sea (which is calling for genocide).
So thise artist first of all parrot terrorist propaganda, second of all spat on principles of the competition, third thing is - they bullied other contestant.
Sad thing about it is, that you have absolutely zero facts and spreading lies too. Congratulations but its never too late even hating on Israel gor back to fashion like 90s music
@@JanBors The Un has ratified these numbers completely no questions asked, the Gaza health ministry numbers have been accurate and similar to Un numbers in the past. There was a massive grave outside a hospital when the IOF stopped occupying it.
@@JanBors Also even if there were 3x less people dead that would still mean at least 4600 dead children which is unforgivable.
Non credo che il comportamento infantile della greca e dell'olandese siano di esempio ma credo sia dipeso da un umore compromesso dietro le quinte causato da comportamenti provocatori da parte della delegazione israeliana. Credo che la cantante meritasse tutti i buuu presi e forse anche qualche pomodoro. eurovision ha estromesso la Russia quindi è una questione politica. La canzone israeliana è una questione politica dato che racconta dell'attentato di ottobre. La cantante israeliana è vergognosa in quanto ha dichiarato di sostenere le scelte del suo governo e di volersi arruolare nell'esercito il prima possibile. Ecco, credo che tutto questo messo insieme abbia creato i malumori che hanno portato alcuni concorrenti di pensare al boicottamento. Poi vorrei aggiungere che stiamo assistendo ad un fenomeno molto simile al nazismo e non possiamo far finta di niente, sia che si tratti di una manifestazione canora sia che si tratti di qualsiasi altra cosa. È sbagliato e superficiale scindere le cose.
What examples do you actually know about your alleged "provocative behaviour on the part of the Israeli delegation"?
I've seen only a few transparent attempts at gaslighting, spins and false claims only so far.
Inlighten me if you actually can give details and substance to this accusation?
dutch song was about eurovision union and traveling... come on, you cannot blame this. Its just an excuse. Some sing about the war, some about a hard event, some about historical issues, some about gay rights, some about non-binary, some about boredom. All can be taken politically. After all blaming the Israel delegation for crazy behaviour even pre-contest of those contestants, or Belt's trauma going after... no, sorry. Bullying is only strong, when we try to excuse it. I will not do it.
@@swguyp28c'è un video in cui provocano chiaramente l'olandese ma sinceramente non ho visto altro. Mi baso su quello che affermano le varie delegazioni. Quindi il dubbio è lecito. Ma a prescindere da ciò, ritengo che un paese che compie crimini quasi senza precedenti debba essere sanzionato e boicottato. Ancor più se la cantante vuole lucrare sulla morte di bambini innocenti e di un popolo da anni colonizzato e sofferente. Non dimentichiamo che il testo originale si chiamava "october rain"...
@@JanBors" October rain" È abbastanza chiaro che volesse lucrare? Un paese in pieno torto non può presentarsi a fare la vittima. Deve giustamente essere punito in qualche modo.nessuna scusa.. Non abbiamo bisogno di scuse. Semplicemente c'è sgomento verso un paese che dovrebbe nascondersi dalla vergogna piuttosto che partecipare a concorsi rivendicando anche dei diritti. Ma quali diritti? Se stanno sterminando un popolo inerme.!
@@taniadellapenna6060 Disregarding the extra bizarre geopolitical accusations based on a distortion of facts, you casually added here (see how you are ok with stating something as a founded fact then admit to knowing no details or examples) - The film you are referring to here is merely one Israeli reporter asking Joost what happened once it was all unclear. Basically, a journalist is chasing a story, doing his job. You might not like how this job is done, but this is what several other journalists did before and after, like the Norwegian reporter chasing Joost to the elevator and grilling him. Wonder who wanted you to only focus on one reporter, insensitive or not, that happens to be affiliated with the country you so clearly demonise and believe the worst of?
Some of the artists (Joost, Bambie, Marina) should have actually go to "queers for palestina" event, like in Gaza, to actually stand for what they believe, and choose to promote and support. Not from Ireland and Netherlands, and you know, to stand with real palestinians. Side by side. Would be educational. Probably spectacular too.
*sarcasm
that would be a quick lesson of tolerance for sure...
Thank you for speaking about this. Unfortunately, same could be seen with some of the Eurovision RUclipsrs
I will get to this :)
Most delegates were okay. Some were just too busy politicising the event like Switzerland 🇨🇭, Poland 🇵🇱, France 🇫🇷 , Portugal 🇵🇹, Greece 🇬🇷, Ireland 🇮🇪, The Netherlands 🇳🇱, United Kingdom 🇬🇧 and Lithuania 🇱🇹. I found it so funny how they were acting victim (reported by wiwibloggs) when in reality, they were the ones bullying. These people think they were harassed and bullied?! And they thought they were endangered?!?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 So funny. They were not, Eden was. They didn’t show a care for her and yet people want to justify her endangerment. I’m so sick of some of these artists. I unfollowed everyone I mentioned.
as you say, imo every sane person saw exactly this.
The Greek act was the most obnoxious of them all. That yawning and falling asleep performance in the press conference made her look like a stupid eight year old. Eden came off as a cool, focused, seasoned professional by comparison. Joost tipping his chair back was also acting like a large, unimpressive child throwing a tantrum. Reminded me of kids in a class who need to let EVERYONE know they are WAY too cool to be sitting next to the nerd. Embarrassing.
@@littleblackpistol
Oh yes. The 8 year old from Greece and the Irish devil were horrible during the event. People are trying to say that the Greek woman was tired, or had a medical issue🤣🤣🤣right around the time Israel was asked their first question
I'm one of the great majority of ashamed Portuguese...She does not represent us,we gave more votes do Eden ❤🇮🇱
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that a lot of people were not comfortable with Israeli participation? You wanna know why Eurovision has never been such a political shit show before? Well, maybe because there was never a participating country accused for terrible crimes happening during Eurovision. There were no massive protests in front of the venue, too. The answer is really as simple as that. If you don't care about it or doesn't concern you, fine. But it really blows my mind that you can be so ignorant about the fact that other people might be supercharged about this horrible situation. Geez.
Thank you for this, it is BS. 'Harassment' formerly known as having an opinion
interesting theory
Video feedback: Poorly thought out arguments, came across very arrogant, and tone deaf
I take it, what argumentation would you use instead?
@@JanBors I wouldn't argue, these people are in the right.
There are times when political channels like the Eurovision can be used for evil. At such times laughter and singing become secondary. A country that commits the most atrocious war crimes and ethnic cleansing of the century is difficult to watch. The Is'aeli artist singing their politically driven song (some call it state propaganda), that barely has been adjusted to fit Eurovision criteria - just feels so wrong. A song based on the I'raeli losses of *th Octo*ber, while the very same "victims" (still every day!!!) commit hundreds of war crimes against children, women, letting them starve, being ethnic cleansed by the book. It hurts to watch this sharade on stage.
As much as I liked the song (it was really good), I realized I'rael shouldn't be allowed to mis-use this international stage of love and understanding, of happiness and peace. Not at this time. Same for Russia. You commit every war crimes of the UN charta, you should be happy if you only lose memebership to Eurovision. Alas, I just found out I'rael has been made the main sponsor of it all (can somebody check on that please? Marocco something is an I'rael corporation?).
I feel bad for this (hopefully) innocent girl who is used for international state propaganda by an evil government.
I understand you are fed a false narrative and see the world in simplistic black and white. This is not the platform to educate you point by point on the mistaken soundbites you just parroted, showing you know very little and a distorted little at that. What is striking is that you put Israeli "victims" in brackets - you know, the 1400 people slaughtered in one day in the most brutal way, mass rapes, 250 civilians kidnapped for ransom etc. The 250K Israelis that are still internally displaced. When you can only see the humanity of the victims of this war - that Hamas started, unprovoked, and chooses to carry on despite the price its own people pay - from one side only, that says a lot about you. Then you go through some good old conspiracies with an (unconscious?) antisemitic flavour about Morroconoil - an American company interested only in selling its products. Alas, the founder is a Jew, so you must suspect nefarious things, eh?
The second largest sponsor is TikTok, owned directly by the Chinese government, the one that spreads disinformation worldwide to destabilise Western countries (including Ukraine), occupies and opresses Tibet and Hong Kong, threatens Taiwan and locks up to a million Uyghur Muslims in "reeducation camps" - wonder why that garners no attention from the likes of you.
Based on last few videos, I would say this guy couldn't care less about what Israel has been doing in last 6 months. Apparently, everyone who does and say something about it in any way is a loser and lacks education. Time to leave this chanel. Which is a shame because there is some quality content, but this is really not my cup of tea.
@@kylender82 that's why I post and explain about this cause. There seems to be some big misunderstanding going on. Being against war crimes should never get out of fashion. That's the story I tell.
@@DezorianGuyI just gave you some facts and context and you clearly aren’t listening to reason. Why waste anyone’s time on you?
its always sad to see someone with Ukrainian flag to say something like that. You hate russian propaganda as its full of lies and missleads but using the same method on Israel. Even you share the very similar fate. Being attacked. Unprovoked. Being humiliated or at least terrorists tried. Took time for others to help you. But there is a difference. Israel was for tens of years forced to take care of its army and defence, as they knew they would not exists anymore. Ukraine was not able to manage that but is helped now, even it could be better. But both countries are fighting for their existence. If Israel dont have a strong a supermodern army, they would be crushed by countries around. if Ukraine has no friends of principles, it probably already cease to exist. So please dont write this absurd things here.
And.. in fact we had 3 winners - political (Switzerland), people (Croatia) and worldwide public support (Israel)
I dont agree, we had one winner, one hero and also hope
Are you happy with 40 likes and 1K dislikes of this video?
I am still waiting for those dislikes to come :)
Unfortunately, the truth is always less popular than anything else, but I get the feeling, things went too far, so the truth might win, actually
Les artistes les plus horribles de cette eurovision sont les chanteurs de Hollande Irlande Grèce Norvège suisse. Ils ont fait du mal à une jeune fille de 20 ans Eden Golan !
Mais tout le monde sait que vous avez aussi un parti pris et un agenda politique, juste comme les artistes que vous avez cités.
Et comment ont-ils fait du mal à Golan exactement? Soyez spécifique.
Harcèlement total . Ils ont été épouvantables avec elle l'empêchant même de parler surtout la sorcière irlandaise et la grecque si moche méchante et sale !