Tal was so pissed because he fully wanted Orthax to completely consume Percy and doom him to his inevitable end, Sam changed the entire course of Percy's story with just one decision
@@bman296 But that friend was toxic enough to be the end of Percy, even if Percy didn't want to admit it. So Sam's "lucky guess" ended up showing who REALLY cares about Percy's welfare.
Something similar happened to me in my dnd game but I guess I was scanlan in that moment because I used a wish to cure a party of a sickness that was slowly killing and like me and one other person wasn’t told about and when I found out in character I was adamant to using it to save him
If he truly wanted that, he could have twisted the narrative by having the gun tied to Orthax, have it tied to Percy’s soul. Then when everyone is standing there telling him he’ll thank them later, he replies in Orthax’s voice that he thanks them now and reveals that Scanlan actually killed Percy by destroying that unholy artifact without checking the strings attached, never mind what those strings were attached to.
The animated sequence had Percy rage at Scanlan, then after seeing Orthax's cloud and hearing his agony scream, Percy goes, "Well, I'll be damned...thank you Scanlan, all of you, for giving me this second chance."
@@lumberluc A lot of resources, as well as "blood, sweat and tears" from Percy personally meant he thought Scanlan dismissed all that went into making Percy's personal weapon, and didn't take those sacrifices seriously. If Scanlan had been wrong, then it would have been deserved. That Scanlan correctly guessed that Orthax would hide in the weapon to get another shot at Percy and the agony scream and cloud of the Demon that Percy witnessed was enough to humble Percy into gratitude.
yeah, though in the show once percy realized it destroyed the demon he was grateful instead of being a petty brat. granted, it solidified his character development, but still "you were never mother's favourite" was hilarious xD
@@blazypika2 I mean I like to think the show is Vox Machina's telling of events, which accounts for why it isn't fully accurate. This being the case of COURSE Percy wouldn't wanna put that part in x3
@@blazypika2 I love that this show is written by these guys, they care about this story so much that they make adjustments that make sense for the adaptation
@@SmoothEnigma I always felt like it was Scanlan, as the bard and storyteller of the group, having penned the legend to make it more dynamic. He'd have of course glossed over much of the more tedious parts of adventuring, and tweaked things so that things would move along faster in the narrative. So since in their real adventure Percy eventually came around to this, he just decided he'd just get to it immediately to save time. As for all the parts where Scanlan wasn't there? The others told him enough, and he used creative license to fill up the rest. Although I'm sure the other members forced him to do a rewrite here and there...
I kinda love how guilty Sam looks at first when he thinks up the idea to toss Percy's gun in the acid, clearly not certain if this idea will save him from more danger or just end up destroying a perfectly harmless gun.
@@TheCrazyTonyMendez Not exactly what I meant, but fair. Point is, it was entirely possible that it was no longer possessed and if he had been WRONG, he would've destroyed Percy's gun for nothing.
@@shiro-kun5604 It was "Lucky Guess" that Scanlan felt Orthax would retreat into the gun and get another change to get Percy for good. Fortunately, Orthax's scream and smoke was able to humble Percy (and reflect Scanlan's nat 20).
@@CorpsePrincezz there is one gun that I wanted to buy from my dad. But it was stolen some years ago my some teens out in Ohio. It wasn't because of the company that made the gun that I wanted it, it was the memories that were attatched to it the reason why i wanted to buy it. An H&K USP caliber 40 S&W. The upper reciever/slide was greyed and the grip was black polymer. It was the first gun i learned to shoot and it was the gun my father taught my siblings and mother how to shoot.
Scanlan throwing away Percy’s List is a symbolic gesture of how Percy’s friends are the only people who can save him from Orthax, but only if he lets them.
It wasn't though. The final barrel being blank symbolised there being room for the start of a new list once he finished all the names. Talesin himself confirmed this
@@Jed_Rowahnn yeah im saying i was wrong? I just legit thought that was where the arc was going - live only for revenge, and when it is finished you die
@@Theology.101In a few scenes before when they're all around a campfire or something, Percy holds his gun in his hand, but his shadow makes it look like he's pointing the gun at himself, which I thought was a neat detail. I'm happy with both versions of the final barrel.
Last I checked, not only has that gun full on broke broke on multiple occasions racking 100s of gold costs in repairs, but it had two enchantments on it which were Hella expensive. I think percy had the right to be a little jaded here XD
A +1d6 lightning shot and a +1d6 fire shot. Stacking enchantments in DnD 5e is hard to do. Not impossible, just hard. In 3.5e, it's just a Tuesday for them
It looks like Matt is really locking eyes with Tal here to help him sit with this moment. BOTH of them knew what this would do for Percy's/Tal's future. No matter how much it may have derailed their expectations, Matt knew he had to inject the moment with the weight it deserved. That's a good friend!
One thing I didn't like that the animation changed was they had Percy be okay with it and say "thank you Scanlan :)" once learning Orthax was gone with the pepperbox. Would have loved if he continued to be conflicted/upset a little longer and the line "you are paying for a new one" would have been great!
oh I would be the same as Percy right there.....if that gun was considered a rare item, that was 10,000 gold Scanlon just chucked into the acid and that's just the enchantments...that's not counting the hundreds of gold that Percy had to spend on ammo.....black powder.....and repairs "I'm gonna kill you Sam..." yeeeeep....truer words have never been spoken
It's okay though. The List only had two chambers that fired either fire or ice enhanced bullets. Once he killed Ripley, the Animus was a much better deal since it fired fucking *PSYCHIC* rounds out of all six barrels with the only catch being that if the gun misfired he took Psychic damage instead.
@@austinkersey2445 yeah i know that, i was just going off the amount of time, money, and effort that Percy put into The List....Animus is the better gun, but Percy is not getting that refund
@@Zero3384 The "blood, sweat and tears" was a greater cost than the gold for The List. Only when the destruction of the gun showed Orthax wanting his soul as the final payment did Percy be humbled.
Technically they were all in the wrong, hold person means you can’t move so Percy wouldn’t have been able to speak. If I had to guess, Matt knew this was the right move for the character and knew that there was a decent chance Percy might’ve got past vex and injured himself further, plus he would’ve never allowed the gun to be destroyed again, meaning orthax probably would’ve never left him. Tin foil hat theory: it was deliberate, in the heat of the moment to make Marissa and Laura feel better and wrap up the storyline satisfyingly after scanlan’s natural 20 and he hoped no one would pick up on it. Similar to… wait I don’t wanna spoil campaign 3. Similar to…. Something big that happens in c3. Let’s leave it there.
"YOU WERE NEVER MOTHER'S FAVORITE." Percy, you found out your sister was alive _less than a week ago_ BE NICE.
Percy awoke and chose violence.
Keyleth’s hold person saved percy there lmao, all they heard was 4:59 “eugngung eugng uhng”
That is Percy being nice
@@Jeezes718 That's 2/3 of his adult life
She also tried to kill him
Tal was so pissed because he fully wanted Orthax to completely consume Percy and doom him to his inevitable end, Sam changed the entire course of Percy's story with just one decision
As Talesin put it "You didn't help him now he just lost a friend!"
@@bman296 But that friend was toxic enough to be the end of Percy, even if Percy didn't want to admit it. So Sam's "lucky guess" ended up showing who REALLY cares about Percy's welfare.
Something similar happened to me in my dnd game but I guess I was scanlan in that moment because I used a wish to cure a party of a sickness that was slowly killing and like me and one other person wasn’t told about and when I found out in character I was adamant to using it to save him
Kind of the beauty of spontaneous RP and letting characters do their thing, what Tal wanted for Percy wasn't what Percy's friends wanted for Percy.
If he truly wanted that, he could have twisted the narrative by having the gun tied to Orthax, have it tied to Percy’s soul. Then when everyone is standing there telling him he’ll thank them later, he replies in Orthax’s voice that he thanks them now and reveals that Scanlan actually killed Percy by destroying that unholy artifact without checking the strings attached, never mind what those strings were attached to.
I love that everyone is cheering and Percy just looks utterly defeated.
- Does it feel good?!
- No...
XD
It was so expensive.
The animated sequence had Percy rage at Scanlan, then after seeing Orthax's cloud and hearing his agony scream, Percy goes, "Well, I'll be damned...thank you Scanlan, all of you, for giving me this second chance."
@@lumberluc A lot of resources, as well as "blood, sweat and tears" from Percy personally meant he thought Scanlan dismissed all that went into making Percy's personal weapon, and didn't take those sacrifices seriously. If Scanlan had been wrong, then it would have been deserved. That Scanlan correctly guessed that Orthax would hide in the weapon to get another shot at Percy and the agony scream and cloud of the Demon that Percy witnessed was enough to humble Percy into gratitude.
Love that they kept throwing the pepper box in the acid in the show
yeah, though in the show once percy realized it destroyed the demon he was grateful instead of being a petty brat. granted, it solidified his character development, but still "you were never mother's favourite" was hilarious xD
@@blazypika2 I mean I like to think the show is Vox Machina's telling of events, which accounts for why it isn't fully accurate. This being the case of COURSE Percy wouldn't wanna put that part in x3
@@blazypika2 hOOTY
@@blazypika2 I love that this show is written by these guys, they care about this story so much that they make adjustments that make sense for the adaptation
@@SmoothEnigma I always felt like it was Scanlan, as the bard and storyteller of the group, having penned the legend to make it more dynamic. He'd have of course glossed over much of the more tedious parts of adventuring, and tweaked things so that things would move along faster in the narrative. So since in their real adventure Percy eventually came around to this, he just decided he'd just get to it immediately to save time.
As for all the parts where Scanlan wasn't there? The others told him enough, and he used creative license to fill up the rest.
Although I'm sure the other members forced him to do a rewrite here and there...
I kinda love how guilty Sam looks at first when he thinks up the idea to toss Percy's gun in the acid, clearly not certain if this idea will save him from more danger or just end up destroying a perfectly harmless gun.
It's a gun. It was never harmless.
@@TheCrazyTonyMendez Not exactly what I meant, but fair. Point is, it was entirely possible that it was no longer possessed and if he had been WRONG, he would've destroyed Percy's gun for nothing.
@@shiro-kun5604 It was "Lucky Guess" that Scanlan felt Orthax would retreat into the gun and get another change to get Percy for good. Fortunately, Orthax's scream and smoke was able to humble Percy (and reflect Scanlan's nat 20).
Its always tragic when your first gun is destroyed/sold/ ripped away by a gnome.
we all know that stuggle
@@vworpin9945 its a tale as old as time...
Or when you accidentally sell it and it has over 20,000,000 rounds of ammo and lose all the ammo…..Dead Island
@@CorpsePrincezz there is one gun that I wanted to buy from my dad. But it was stolen some years ago my some teens out in Ohio. It wasn't because of the company that made the gun that I wanted it, it was the memories that were attatched to it the reason why i wanted to buy it. An H&K USP caliber 40 S&W. The upper reciever/slide was greyed and the grip was black polymer. It was the first gun i learned to shoot and it was the gun my father taught my siblings and mother how to shoot.
But even more tragic when it's revealed that gun had the demon wanting your soul for the gun too. Good things Scanlan wasn't wrong.
'Just throw the carpet in there why don't you!' oh Talisen/Percy, it's like you could see the future or something
Didn't the carpet get destroyed by acid in Trial of the Take which took place about 10+ episode before this?
@@nommyyt
Yes.
Scanlan throwing away Percy’s List is a symbolic gesture of how Percy’s friends are the only people who can save him from Orthax, but only if he lets them.
Honestly he doesn't even let them, they have to physically restrain him. Goes to show his own symbolic self-destructive mentality.
I fully guessed that the final barrel was gonna be for himself
It wasn't though. The final barrel being blank symbolised there being room for the start of a new list once he finished all the names. Talesin himself confirmed this
@@Jed_Rowahnn yeah im saying i was wrong? I just legit thought that was where the arc was going - live only for revenge, and when it is finished you die
@@Theology.101In a few scenes before when they're all around a campfire or something, Percy holds his gun in his hand, but his shadow makes it look like he's pointing the gun at himself, which I thought was a neat detail.
I'm happy with both versions of the final barrel.
Last I checked, not only has that gun full on broke broke on multiple occasions racking 100s of gold costs in repairs, but it had two enchantments on it which were Hella expensive. I think percy had the right to be a little jaded here XD
It also had a demon living In it
@@xygo6038 a small price to pay for a good freaking gun
@@justinc9112 to be fair the gun was pretty shit and broke all the time
@xygo6038 yeah but so did his second one and it only got 4 shots instead of six...
A +1d6 lightning shot and a +1d6 fire shot. Stacking enchantments in DnD 5e is hard to do.
Not impossible, just hard.
In 3.5e, it's just a Tuesday for them
I'm so glad that in Legends of Vox Machina they actually gave him his arc to completion and it was amazing
It looks like Matt is really locking eyes with Tal here to help him sit with this moment. BOTH of them knew what this would do for Percy's/Tal's future. No matter how much it may have derailed their expectations, Matt knew he had to inject the moment with the weight it deserved. That's a good friend!
One thing I didn't like that the animation changed was they had Percy be okay with it and say "thank you Scanlan :)" once learning Orthax was gone with the pepperbox. Would have loved if he continued to be conflicted/upset a little longer and the line "you are paying for a new one" would have been great!
Let's be honest, if Vex knew how much that gun cost, she'd have swiped it just like she did the broom.
... See now I picture Vex toting the pepperbox like a Witch-Cowgirl combination
I just realized that Percy actually beat the saving throw to defeat Hold Person. Meets it, beats it. He needed to meet an 18 and he did.
oh I would be the same as Percy right there.....if that gun was considered a rare item, that was 10,000 gold Scanlon just chucked into the acid and that's just the enchantments...that's not counting the hundreds of gold that Percy had to spend on ammo.....black powder.....and repairs
"I'm gonna kill you Sam..."
yeeeeep....truer words have never been spoken
It's okay though. The List only had two chambers that fired either fire or ice enhanced bullets. Once he killed Ripley, the Animus was a much better deal since it fired fucking *PSYCHIC* rounds out of all six barrels with the only catch being that if the gun misfired he took Psychic damage instead.
@@austinkersey2445 yeah i know that, i was just going off the amount of time, money, and effort that Percy put into The List....Animus is the better gun, but Percy is not getting that refund
if I am remembering correctly it was said somewhere that is was 22,000 gold in upgrades , repairs and the base weapon it self,
@@Zero3384 The "blood, sweat and tears" was a greater cost than the gold for The List. Only when the destruction of the gun showed Orthax wanting his soul as the final payment did Percy be humbled.
4:36 friendships goals right there! Yay, Liam and Sam!!!❤😊🎉
Well i be dammed
Regarding the hold person: Meets it beats it though, right?
True; I think it was a mistake on matts part.
Technically they were all in the wrong, hold person means you can’t move so Percy wouldn’t have been able to speak.
If I had to guess, Matt knew this was the right move for the character and knew that there was a decent chance Percy might’ve got past vex and injured himself further, plus he would’ve never allowed the gun to be destroyed again, meaning orthax probably would’ve never left him.
Tin foil hat theory: it was deliberate, in the heat of the moment to make Marissa and Laura feel better and wrap up the storyline satisfyingly after scanlan’s natural 20 and he hoped no one would pick up on it. Similar to… wait I don’t wanna spoil campaign 3. Similar to…. Something big that happens in c3. Let’s leave it there.
Poor Percy