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i can buy THIS version's rogue taking the cure. i really do wish ratner went with the earliest draft. then again, he was basically put in the pilots chair upon lift off, so i can't blame him for much
Vince, Manos, Dan they all rock but Shades might be one of The chillest most put together dudes you've featured on this channel. I hope you guys collaborate in the future Shades seems like a legit good guy who has his things together.
The thing about Rogue taking the cure is she's more isolated than any other x-men, not being able to touch people is a crippling drawback to a power no matter how useful.
@allthingssuper But that works because it brings Bourne back to pursue the people who were responsible for her death while Cyclops death does nothing. The Leader of the X-Men is killed by Jean, the woman of his life who is also another key X-Man and no one cares to show any kind of emotion to this. It also has no impact on anything else in the film.
We're trying to get one out every week or two, so lots. At least the big comic book and superhero films a lot of people likely own. After that, who knows? -CL
Random thing Leech was at the school run by Banshee and Emma Frost, I cannot possibly remember how they dealt with his powers effecting other students I think Leech had control of his power so that he didn't have to dampen powers. Maybe you could argue they could teach him that.
Thank you for making these vids cap, keep up the great work. It's entertaining and professional! Do you think we will ever get a decent take on the dark Phoenix saga, or did this movie ruin those chances for good!
That alternate fight was better in my opinion, despite going against invulnerability thing (though he doesnt bleed, not hurt and INSTANTLY heals so ok to me)
Yeah the titles are weird. In UK X2 is known as X-Men 2 but then in the movie it says X2. I didn't even know there was a "United" till I watched US reviews of the film. On my X3 box it says X3 (with the claws) The Last Stand, on the posters is says X3 and in the movie it says X-Men: The Last Stand. Too...many...choices!
You guys just mentioned that "they still have plans for X4" Did you know that "The Wolverine" is post-X3? The whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing, and death of Charles Xavier is why Wolverine goes to Japan
Pride showed up in the movies. I like the introduction of the love triangle between rogue kitty and iceman---it was more in light with the comics. I see your point about mystique being so inthrawed with magnitos mission that she would have tried to prove herself to him...however realistically magnitos betrayal when she became human probably would have caused her to spitfully betray magnito to get back at him. To quote shakespeare "hell knows know wrath as..."
The only thing I can think of for the major character being killed off in the first 20 minutes and working is Optimus Prime in Transformers: The Movie. It's been awhile since I've seen it, but I remember that was plot point that served a purpose.
I've only really seen Mystique in X-Evolution and in that Magneto leaves her and chooses Storm over her to be taken to the Sanctuary and she was quite pissed with that she worked with the X-Men against him and was from then on working solo against Magneto in the season after. So for me it seems consistant but I get what you mean it would have been more if she had an ulterior motive.
Hey Cap after the superhero movies you should really think about doing the terminator series. That would be fun. And do a review of Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Why was Leech going to the school at the end, anyway? His power is that he can neutralize other mutants' powers, so it's not like he really has to worry about controlling them out of fear of possibly hurting someone or the power corrupting him. I mean, unless they have a physical mutation, like Beast, he wouldn't know if he was stopping their powers in most settings.
Any serious chance they would do that? Has there ever been a precedent where a film invalidates an earlier film in order to do damage control like in the TV series, Dallas?
how fast can wolverine heal? because in the cartoons he got hit by sabertooth and had to go to the infermory (hope i spelled that right) and it took awhile for him to heal. but in the movies he heals super fast after getting shot in the head. i am confused :(
I didn't have so much a problem with Origins as X3. As Cap alluded to in his superhero rewind-X-men origins was well cast. Ryan Renolds (before he was tapped shut) embodied deathpools persona--though being tapped shut was perhaps a humerious way to parody his trademark loud mouth. Woverines creator carried an twisted presence. And sabertooth played the intelligent and malavolent side of the character...ecoing hugh jackmans warm and animal like qualities shown in X-2 when he impalled a solider
Do you think that we will ever see a Rachel Grey in one of the movies? I really don't want them screwing her up since she is Scott and Jean's daughter.
cap The Wolverine is confermed to be set after this film. P.S. just read claremont's wolverine #1-4 and it just got me pumped for the movie in a way i wasn't
SERIOUSLY- Its fine for Rouge to have her powers removed- they werent a gift, they were a curse. Never being able to be intimate with someone, even casually. Its getting rid of a constant invisible barrier keeping her caged. This is something many suffer from in the real world either mentally &/or physically. It be different if she was the flying power house from cartoons where she can seriously help and gifted. PS I hav Prob with how evil made Magneto at times- pawns & genocide 2 much imo
You guys made a few nitpicks here and there but alot of major points that are detrimental to not only this movie but to the whole series. One thing that makes sense to this movie but could have worked in another is the reason that I think they couldn't have used the Phoenix bird is because what would happen when she was around Pyro? Either she looks weak or he does.
you know what's strange about this film? i didn't even notice it's the only one with all 5 original members...and i'm a huge x-men fun...so yeah, something went wrong there...
i know you pointed it out but you really do use the smallville example too often. this is kinda random but the season 4 storyline with Countess Margret Isobel Thoroux is the only changing personality/possetion story that i really like alot. i guess it's one of the only times i kinda liked kristen kreuk was when she was playing Isobel.
Kitty pride made a guest appearence in the movie. I agree I did not like the love triangle...yet again. Though it made more sense in light of icemans and kittys relationship in the comics. It would have been nice to see more character development and action from angel. And a better villian would have been sinister (who is the man truly behind the formula). I did like beast--well casted and scriped . Great move to bring him in.
beast didnt really build the black bird in first class,he used one of the planes on display when he was hanging upsidedown,I mean he probably suped it up a little but didnt really build it.
X-men 3 shafted cyclops (by killing him...)-angel-professor x and magnito (by making them class 4)--x3 watered down the phonix to just an alternate personality--it tore apart the team to just storm as the leader after cyclops died-and it felt like it was in a different universe from the first two movies. I disagree with cap...I like how they reinvented juggernaught as a bridish cockney mutant. It would have been more interesting though if they made him professor x's brother. I like that kitty
So frustrated with the X-men movies. So First class isn't a reboot? There are so many inconsistencies with the first three, I was so happy to think that it was a reboot. Is Days of Future Past a sequel to that? Is Wolverine canon? What is the new one? I'm so confused.
I'm surprised you didn't mention last scene with Magneto, where he moves the chess piece. It makes the entire cure plot pointless, since the effects weren't permanent.
I disagree with you on that. Magneto would totally leave her behind. She is not one of them. Magneto leader of the brotherhood and only cared for mutants. Once she turned human he wouldn't need her any more. That is defiantly his character.
He does talk about spider-man some in the comics i think. I don't think he would like him or not. I don't know if Spider-man and Magneto have met before though.
Magneto was evil in the comics until just recently. But I don't think that he would sacrifice other mutants your right. And the thing is in this movie they ruin Rogue's character. You could argue that but the way she did it because she was jealous of Bobby and Kitty was just stupid. And yes Rogue in the animated series did think about taking it. But she never took it like this one.
What makes it the even more painful, is that there are great ideas in the movie if expanded upon the movie wud have been the best out the original trilogy.
Halle Berry was meh i wouldn't even mind but 1 of anti mutant campaigners died in 1st movie and then he was alive in 3rd i think his name was Task look it up no wonder Nightclawer character did not wanna touch this movie
It's not as bad of a film as say Batman and Robin but it is very disappointing. To me Last Stand and Spiderman 3 fumbled the ball right next to the end zone of so many good possible things but just don't work well or at all especially after the two promising last films for them.
I know right Juggernaut in the comics wasn't smart but at least he was interesting character but the juggernaut in here was play for shits and giggles. This movie also show why Halle Berry was a complete miscast as storm.
I hate the fight between Pyro and Iceman. After X2 you get the sense of them meeting up again where they'll have to fight each other. Fire vs Ice... seriously, how would you be able to screw that up? After Pyro going batshit crazy in X2 and showing his powers at it's best we get to see some boring, short Kamehameha-crap between those two. Bleh...
Glad Phoenix wasnt Alien force, its step too far from "realistic" world of X-men films. MAYBE as a 4th film with the plot around alien force, but jumping to energy alien bird is jumping the shark to me. Same with mystic crystal= Juggernaut Should have been (hinted X 1&2) Jean affected by mutation device & goes pwr mad. Also making Juggernaut a mutant is more than fine, though prob should have kept him as 1/2 bro, even perhaps being genetically altered (with team?) to fight mutants (+sentinels?)
i can buy THIS version's rogue taking the cure. i really do wish ratner went with the earliest draft. then again, he was basically put in the pilots chair upon lift off, so i can't blame him for much
Vince, Manos, Dan they all rock but Shades might be one of The chillest most put together dudes you've featured on this channel. I hope you guys collaborate in the future Shades seems like a legit good guy who has his things together.
The thing about Rogue taking the cure is she's more isolated than any other x-men, not being able to touch people is a crippling drawback to a power no matter how useful.
I remember first finding out about this movie by seeing a poster for it. This film is alright, but fun to watch for continuous action scenes.
@allthingssuper But that works because it brings Bourne back to pursue the people who were responsible for her death while Cyclops death does nothing.
The Leader of the X-Men is killed by Jean, the woman of his life who is also another key X-Man and no one cares to show any kind of emotion to this. It also has no impact on anything else in the film.
We're trying to get one out every week or two, so lots. At least the big comic book and superhero films a lot of people likely own. After that, who knows?
-CL
Yes and yes, though I don't have a schedule for them yet.
-CL
The actress you were thinking of is Shohreh Aghdashloo; she's an Iranian actress, and she was FANTASTIC in 24.
Random thing Leech was at the school run by Banshee and Emma Frost, I cannot possibly remember how they dealt with his powers effecting other students I think Leech had control of his power so that he didn't have to dampen powers. Maybe you could argue they could teach him that.
this is a great idea you have of doing these podcasts while watching the movie. which ones have you planned for the future?
Thank you for making these vids cap, keep up the great work. It's entertaining and professional! Do you think we will ever get a decent take on the dark Phoenix saga, or did this movie ruin those chances for good!
Claremont does cameo in days of future past as a guy in the conference room with trask.
That alternate fight was better in my opinion, despite going against invulnerability thing (though he doesnt bleed, not hurt and INSTANTLY heals so ok to me)
Probably in just a couple months. Shades and I will do Origins first and then First Class.
-CL
Yeah the titles are weird. In UK X2 is known as X-Men 2 but then in the movie it says X2. I didn't even know there was a "United" till I watched US reviews of the film. On my X3 box it says X3 (with the claws) The Last Stand, on the posters is says X3 and in the movie it says X-Men: The Last Stand. Too...many...choices!
You guys just mentioned that "they still have plans for X4" Did you know that "The Wolverine" is post-X3? The whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing, and death of Charles Xavier is why Wolverine goes to Japan
Pride showed up in the movies. I like the introduction of the love triangle between rogue kitty and iceman---it was more in light with the comics. I see your point about mystique being so inthrawed with magnitos mission that she would have tried to prove herself to him...however realistically magnitos betrayal when she became human probably would have caused her to spitfully betray magnito to get back at him. To quote shakespeare "hell knows know wrath as..."
You saw 3 bridges blow up in Dark Knight Rises,the others were moved by Magneto
Hey cap when will you do an X-Men: First Class commentary podcast?
Blinky Bill! Yes Shades!
Colossus is my second favorite X-Man behind Beast and it angers me to no end how he is potrayed in these movies.
Please post a video of Jason saying "the fire rises" I can just picture how adorable that would be
Which one is next? I am sure your planning on doing Batman Returns in a couple of weeks for christmas? lol that would be a great one to do.
CL, how did you not laugh at shades saying, "Charles liked to build bridges?"?!
Wow, how much do I want to say "challenge accepted!" right now...
-CL
Cap, have you seen the "Wolverine and the X-Men" tv show? It's on Netflix right now and it's surprisingly good!
Interesting take on the X-Men film series indeed, but thankfully it wasn't considered bad enough to have the franchise die. Good review by the way.
The only thing I can think of for the major character being killed off in the first 20 minutes and working is Optimus Prime in Transformers: The Movie. It's been awhile since I've seen it, but I remember that was plot point that served a purpose.
I've only really seen Mystique in X-Evolution and in that Magneto leaves her and chooses Storm over her to be taken to the Sanctuary and she was quite pissed with that she worked with the X-Men against him and was from then on working solo against Magneto in the season after. So for me it seems consistant but I get what you mean it would have been more if she had an ulterior motive.
Boromier from fellowship of the ring is someone I think you come to care about.
Hey Cap after the superhero movies you should really think about doing the terminator series. That would be fun. And do a review of Sarah Connor Chronicles.
There is a deleted scene where Wolverine stabs Juggernaut through his arm and there is NO blood on his claws.
Why was Leech going to the school at the end, anyway? His power is that he can neutralize other mutants' powers, so it's not like he really has to worry about controlling them out of fear of possibly hurting someone or the power corrupting him. I mean, unless they have a physical mutation, like Beast, he wouldn't know if he was stopping their powers in most settings.
Can you do a commentary on Multiplicity?
Hey cap I have a challenge when you do the dark knight rises commentary podcast you and vince have to talk in the bane voice the whole time
Any serious chance they would do that? Has there ever been a precedent where a film invalidates an earlier film in order to do damage control like in the TV series, Dallas?
how fast can wolverine heal? because in the cartoons he got hit by sabertooth and had to go to the infermory (hope i spelled that right) and it took awhile for him to heal. but in the movies he heals super fast after getting shot in the head. i am confused :(
I didn't have so much a problem with Origins as X3. As Cap alluded to in his superhero rewind-X-men origins was well cast. Ryan Renolds (before he was tapped shut) embodied deathpools persona--though being tapped shut was perhaps a humerious way to parody his trademark loud mouth. Woverines creator carried an twisted presence. And sabertooth played the intelligent and malavolent side of the character...ecoing hugh jackmans warm and animal like qualities shown in X-2 when he impalled a solider
Do you think that we will ever see a Rachel Grey in one of the movies? I really don't want them screwing her up since she is Scott and Jean's daughter.
this movie is great.......at failing in every conceivable way humanly possible !
the x-men movies aren't SUPER far from the movies, but distant enough in tone for me to accept the things the movies do in comparison to the books
cap The Wolverine is confermed to be set after this film. P.S. just read claremont's wolverine #1-4 and it just got me pumped for the movie in a way i wasn't
SERIOUSLY- Its fine for Rouge to have her powers removed- they werent a gift, they were a curse. Never being able to be intimate with someone, even casually. Its getting rid of a constant invisible barrier keeping her caged. This is something many suffer from in the real world either mentally &/or physically.
It be different if she was the flying power house from cartoons where she can seriously help and gifted.
PS I hav Prob with how evil made Magneto at times- pawns & genocide 2 much imo
You guys made a few nitpicks here and there but alot of major points that are detrimental to not only this movie but to the whole series. One thing that makes sense to this movie but could have worked in another is the reason that I think they couldn't have used the Phoenix bird is because what would happen when she was around Pyro? Either she looks weak or he does.
you know what's strange about this film? i didn't even notice it's the only one with all 5 original members...and i'm a huge x-men fun...so yeah, something went wrong there...
Awesome commentary does shadesatknight have a twitter?
No shades, kitty pryde will be in days of future past and she'll once again be played by Ellen page so you can be happy now, shades :)
I hope Days of Future Past will retcon this film, origins as well.
Magneto moved the bridge so he didnt have to pay the toll
What about ghost busters? And Back to the future sequals you haven't done yet?
i know you pointed it out but you really do use the smallville example too often. this is kinda random but the season 4 storyline with Countess Margret Isobel Thoroux is the only changing personality/possetion story that i really like alot. i guess it's one of the only times i kinda liked kristen kreuk was when she was playing Isobel.
LOL We have one! It's called Jayson Bane.
-CL
also i'm pretty sure juggernaught was changed into a mutant in x-men evolution
Hey Cap. Ever consider doing a Jonah Hex commentary with Jtrain997?
He's a huge Jonah Hex fan, and as far as I know you haven't done a video together.
Kitty pride made a guest appearence in the movie. I agree I did not like the love triangle...yet again. Though it made more sense in light of icemans and kittys relationship in the comics. It would have been nice to see more character development and action from angel. And a better villian would have been sinister (who is the man truly behind the formula). I did like beast--well casted and scriped . Great move to bring him in.
Very possibly!
Blinky Bill....man I feel old now. :D
me too hope she's in das of future past
I hear Gary Mitchell is the new Star Trek villain for the new film!
beast didnt really build the black bird in first class,he used one of the planes on display when he was hanging upsidedown,I mean he probably suped it up a little but didnt really build it.
They dubbed blinky bill in dutch aswell :D
34:40 Skyfall came to mind again about killing off and introducing at once but I guess that's the only exception.
X-men 3 shafted cyclops (by killing him...)-angel-professor x and magnito (by making them class 4)--x3 watered down the phonix to just an alternate personality--it tore apart the team to just storm as the leader after cyclops died-and it felt like it was in a different universe from the first two movies. I disagree with cap...I like how they reinvented juggernaught as a bridish cockney mutant. It would have been more interesting though if they made him professor x's brother. I like that kitty
*rubs hands together*
Here we go!
By the way, the mention of Obi-Wan Kenobi makes less than no sense, because he died in the third act of A New Hope, not the first.
their not flying,their Falling with Style!
So frustrated with the X-men movies. So First class isn't a reboot? There are so many inconsistencies with the first three, I was so happy to think that it was a reboot. Is Days of Future Past a sequel to that? Is Wolverine canon? What is the new one? I'm so confused.
wasn't the whole "cure" thing take from the Gifted arch in Joss Whedons astonishing X-men run
I'm surprised you didn't mention last scene with Magneto, where he moves the chess piece. It makes the entire cure plot pointless, since the effects weren't permanent.
LOL Oh, was that what it was!
-CL
if you guys think X3 was painful to watch. wait until you do guys orgin.
Ever thought of doing a commentary on Ghost Rider?
i did not know that about the nightcrawler actor
Just talk in the Bane voice only when you want to emphasize your criticisms towards the film! lol
not toad its anole the lizzard dude from new xmen
Will we get a commentary for the Fantastic Four movies? I would love to hear you make fun of those pieces of crap :)
a major character died in the second Bourne movie and I thinked it worked
I disagree with you on that. Magneto would totally leave her behind. She is not one of them. Magneto leader of the brotherhood and only cared for mutants. Once she turned human he wouldn't need her any more. That is defiantly his character.
He does talk about spider-man some in the comics i think. I don't think he would like him or not. I don't know if Spider-man and Magneto have met before though.
0:47:30 , Bane from TDKR comes to mind, Cap.
Does anyone else think Gambit should have been in the prison truck being a thief and all
Magneto was evil in the comics until just recently. But I don't think that he would sacrifice other mutants your right. And the thing is in this movie they ruin Rogue's character. You could argue that but the way she did it because she was jealous of Bobby and Kitty was just stupid. And yes Rogue in the animated series did think about taking it. But she never took it like this one.
i wish scot sumers was a bigger lead in the singer movies
What makes it the even more painful, is that there are great ideas in the movie if expanded upon the movie wud have been the best out the original trilogy.
Wolverine has a different jacket in every film fellas.
That's kid omega? I thought he was spike.
On the subject the the nightcrawler actor he said he didnt like all the make up he had to put on
Cap, you weren't too hard on X3, you weren't hard enough on Ghost Rider.
what a lovey lovey voice booooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i wonder how magneto feels about non mutant super power humans
Halle Berry was meh i wouldn't even mind but 1 of anti mutant campaigners died in 1st movie and then he was alive in 3rd i think his name was Task look it up no wonder Nightclawer character did not wanna touch this movie
first time i heard cl using a "bad word" lol ass. but it's ok.great commentary
I'm sorry if I sound naive, but why do people hate this movie so much?
It's not as bad of a film as say Batman and Robin but it is very disappointing.
To me Last Stand and Spiderman 3 fumbled the ball right next to the end zone of so many good possible things but just don't work well or at all especially after the two promising last films for them.
Watch it and find out
I know right Juggernaut in the comics wasn't smart but at least he was interesting character but the juggernaut in here was play for shits and giggles. This movie also show why Halle Berry was a complete miscast as storm.
Kitty pride will be in days ofmthe futures past
Am I dumb for saying that I actually kind of like this movie?
I hate the fight between Pyro and Iceman. After X2 you get the sense of them meeting up again where they'll have to fight each other. Fire vs Ice... seriously, how would you be able to screw that up?
After Pyro going batshit crazy in X2 and showing his powers at it's best we get to see some boring, short Kamehameha-crap between those two.
Bleh...
My trailer trying to make X-Men: The Last Stand look good: /watch?v=2_xFcWUZkJs
It's like fox doesn't get the x-men I wish marvel gets back the rights
Good news for u pal
Glad Phoenix wasnt Alien force, its step too far from "realistic" world of X-men films. MAYBE as a 4th film with the plot around alien force, but jumping to energy alien bird is jumping the shark to me. Same with mystic crystal= Juggernaut
Should have been (hinted X 1&2) Jean affected by mutation device & goes pwr mad. Also making Juggernaut a mutant is more than fine, though prob should have kept him as 1/2 bro, even perhaps being genetically altered (with team?) to fight mutants (+sentinels?)