I Murdered A Bouncer & Spent 43 Years Behind Bars | Minutes With
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2023
- In this episode of Minutes With, we sat down with John Massey, at one point England's longest-serving prisoner, who spent an astonishing 43 years behind bars. John candidly shares his life story, including the murder that led him to prison, his four daring escapes, and his journey to eventual release.
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Thank you to John for taking part. You can buy his book here - www.amazon.co.uk/Locks-Bolts-Bars-Life-Inside/dp/1803991038
Charles bronson served 47 years she brotish longest serving prisoner not this old guy
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"You lock any living creature up in a cage, first thing it does is circle that cage looking for a weakness. Even a plant you put in a dark corner, it will grow towards the light". Powerful words by John Massey.
Not really
Depends on how intelligent the creature in question is.
I was literally reading your comment as he said that
@@ThePsychonaut420no way me too. I was just about to say that.
"don't kill someone and break out of prison" - common sense
I delivered to his mum as a postman. Really funny lady, she was always talking about her son, who was in prison, a really lovely woman. Little did I know this man was her son. She was very ill and I remember the amount of police cars/vans who turned up looking for him in Castlehaven Road as he had escaped to say his goodbyes to her.
Wow what a story
Amazing story I can’t hold it against him for trying and escaping with his reasoning
That’s awesome you stumbled upon this video to hear the backstory!
@@PLAUG3DR You can't hold it against him? He's a disgusting monster. I hold this against you.
@@fgoogleinthea7475 what I’m saying is I understand why he escaped to go see a dying family member do I think he should be let off because of his reasons no I don’t but it doesn’t mean people can’t sympathise with him and his reasons
The man he Killed that night, ws a man called Charlie. My Dad was supposed to be working on the door with him that night. Lets not glamourise this, John was sentenced for murder, it was John Massey and John Massey alone who was responsible for his sentence being prolonged as it was. It was self inflicted. I'm glad he is looking well after such a long period of reflection.
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Wow 43 years this guy will never get back, he literally missed out on his whole life. Honestly if I was him at his age I wouldn’t even want to get out of prison. He literally said the day he’s truely free is the day he dies.. this interview here was a big eye opener & this needs to be showed to the youth because we have this generation running wild stabbing & killing each other for what ? Postcodes or gangs. It’s very sad to see what this world has become. Thank you for this wonderful interview.
THE WORLDS HAS BEEN WAY MORE VIOLENT IN THE PAST WDYM????
Why does everyone seem to think the world is the worst it's ever been? The opposite is true.
@@StatsUnited Not in every aspect.
Please quit the rose tinted glasses perspective on the past. It is simply and demonstrably absolute bullshit. “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” If you don’t already know, I’ll leave it up to you to check out the source material.
@StatsUnited literally nobody is comparing, bad is bad even if its better than it was.
He actually looks really good for a man in his 70’s.
He’s done his time and it was hard time and I hope he has a fantastic life in his remaining years.
Me too
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Video been up 15 minutes and there’s already people commenting like they’ve watch the whole thing 🤣
Where are these secret utube rules that state u must watch videos in their entirety b4 commenting?
x2 speed = 14 minutes long or are you mathematically challenged?
35 (Recently I’ve been keeping count of comments that are dumb. Not simply things I disagree with, but comments suggest a lack of critical thinking. There’s more to it, but I wanted to keep it simple for you. Thank you)
I'm on 1.45 and I read comments as well watching at the same time
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I personally watch videos at 2x speed to save time.
This comment section really hammers home how little people understand about criminality in general. First of all, this interview is not about how he feels about committing murder, it’s direction is clearly towards his time in prison and his 4 escapes (considering the thumbnail of the video this should be pretty clear). Maybe he doesn’t feel remorseful, maybe he does - as we don’t have access to the entire interview we have no idea what his feelings about the killing are. I don’t think John felt very comfortable during parts of this interview, you can tell based on how his vocality and mannerisms change whilst speaking, and the constant nervous movements he makes with his hands. He goes from being almost boisterous to being very removed and quiet, which again should give you a pretty clear indication of how he feels whilst discussing this topic. To all the people complaining that these videos “humanise criminals and their crimes” have you ever considered that criminals are indeed humans and don’t magically cease being one when they commit a crime? That is the entire point of these videos, showing us that behind the hardened exterior there is a real human being there. Consider his upbringing, the fact his dad was in and out of prison, him being abused as a child and the people he was in borstal with - of course he still had a choice as to his path in life but coming from poverty and being given the chance to have some money for the first time in your life, it would hard to say no (especially considering how he probably felt towards the establishment at that point in his life). If you haven’t lived that life, you can’t honestly say that you have any idea what it was like. Of course he deserves to go to prison for killing someone, that goes without saying. Prison however, isn’t rehabilitation. We don’t have enough space or money to just lock up “dangerous people” indefinitely until they die to “protect the public”. We have to find ways as a society to fix the broken cycles and situations responsible for creating criminals. You can’t sugar coat what he did, but the story of his actions and the consequences need to be told in order for people to actually learn something.
Very well said 👏
The bits he struggles with are the self pity & the 'woe is me' parts of the story
Very well said.
I strongly suspect that a lot of working class children with unrecognised neuro#developmental disorders, delays and learning difficulties were horribly mistreated by the educational system and pushed into criminality.
In his defense all his 'escapes' are for totally reasonable reasons lol
Another winner Ladbible. Thanks for sharing John.
Seem a very humble man you served your time and a poor man lost his life there are no winners when this sort of things happen
The guy never had any remorse in this video. "No point crying over spilt milk" is the closest he gets. Minimises all over the place. Blames his nature, the bouncer.
He was too nice and flash so the bouncer attacked him- bullshit. You just got suckered by a career criminal with very little remorse crying about what he lost not that hes a murderer. Still moaning at the end that he's still serving a life sentence. He's a murdering prick with no remorse. .
Boohoo
I learned a lot from your video. Thank u for sharing and good luck for the future
Great video and interview!
Excellent interview.
These people that have gone through similar experiences develop a natural poetry in them and with the way they talk
The way he ended this was so amazing and harshly tender
Well said!
Only the ones you see on channels like this one
Really interesting interview, one book I'd genuinely consider buying.
I remember reading a news article in 2012 online about a prisoner escape, i remembered his name after all these years John Massey, i looked more into it and it made me sad to see someone make a huge mistake when they were young and grow old in jail, it's crazy i just clicked on this video and i never recognised him at all he looks so different from the 2012 mugahot (which for some reason i remembered perfectly) and when they were saying his first and last name I couldn't believe it. Im glad he's out now, hope he lives the rest of his years happily.
More episodes. I’m hooked
I spent time with john in Pentonville and he was always a gentleman and a great training partner. I hope he enjoys the rest of his life as a free man
What kind of stuff did he do in the gym?
@@coffeejazzvibes2194 escaping! 😂😂😂
You see all these ex-criminals portrayed as nice, harmless people in these "minutes with" interviews, but I bet back in the day he was a right horrible bastard. I've not got an awful lot of sympathy for the years he lost in prison
Prison doesn’t deter people from crime and it doesn’t make them better citizens. It is inhumane.
@@bimfred no, but it does keep the general population safer with these people locked up
@@bimfredact like monsters get treated like monsters
@@willgoodall1529 the general population mostly gets dead from eating far too much. If the government really cared about saving lives they would ban certain foods and save hundreds of thousands of lives each year.
I mean accidents at home, essentially ladders, kill 10 times the number of people annually than die in homicides in the UK. And most of those homicides are inter-criminal disputes. He’s not a measurable danger to ‘the general public’ on any scale.
exactly.
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
I met this man fourteen years ago, and still remember the conversations we had. He made me laugh, and I found him to be personable, and quite philosophical about his situation. In actual fact, a nice bloke.
Talks about his mum's smile but not the fact that his victim's mum never got to smile at her kid again. Sucks that he lost out on a life lived but sucks even more for the life that was taken. The lack of remorse in this clip doesn't make it seem like he'd have turned his life around and done good if released early
exactly
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
@@fsociety.dat101but he does mention things, things about HIS loss (of time), things about HIS loss of life he will never get back.. what about his victim?, his victim didn't lose part-of-a-life he lost it all. that isn't just a little omission of expressed remorse that is the definition of NO remorse.
Tbf i never heard the interviewer ask any questions about remorse/thoughts of the victim. The victim also stabbed a guy in the eye, so he was far from angelic himself. Personally don't feel sorry for either of them, just their innocent families
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This is indeed an eye opener for the young people. Get your life together and see what good you can do for yourselves. Fnd way while you can, invest and het money the legit way. Find an expert like that of oliver west and make a fortune for yourself .
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What I don’t understand is he went to prison in 1975 for a minimum of 20 years but his first escape wasn’t until 1994. Why on earth would you spend 19 years in prison to then decide to escape when he had the possibility of a release in another 12 months time 🤯
Shawshank-“That amount of time, it changes a man” in reference to the librarian attempting to kill another inmate after being told he was up for release after a 20+ year sentence.
Could you believe he wanted to stay?
Because his mom was dying and they wouldnt let him go and say his goodbyes
@@douglaspuglas6888That's a good enough reason in my book.
Whilst I can appreciate this on very many levels, I still can't imagine if he'd killed my brother, son or whoever. 20 years for taking a life is nothing in comparison.
good thing he spent over double that in prison then
@@Zerdyeah ? how many years has the victim been dead then ….. food for thought
@@Zerdshould still be in jail now.
exactly
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
@@Fathervinyard the victim lived by the sword....
Listening to this interview there was so little remorse towards the actual victim who was killed or the family who have lost a loved one.
It came across more like the guy who carried a loaded gun, willing to use it against anyone who did him wrong and then took someone elses life, was the one suffering because he had to answer for his crime.
Hard life, hard times. The old days were brutal, for everyone.
My thoughts exactly. He seems to have put himself as the victim because he had to go to prison. What about the poor guy he murdered?!
@@rachaelferguson7046watch a documentary that's based on the victim then instead of watching an interview about the perpetrator knowing what to expect lmao
Good interview with an interesting man. RIP to the guy he killed.
Did a bit of research. After his first escape ( mid 80s (?) ,he lived in Spain for four years. He was extradited back to the Uk, eventually. So wasn't locked up for the entire 40 odd years.
This man is something special indeed. What a story, truly. Appreciate listening to this and wishing him only the best from here. Tough mind, tough hands, tough life. Special regardless.
I saw a really fascinating documentary about this man on channel 4 will never forget it
What was it calked
@@redskyatnight123 I think it was called What Makes a Murderer and they investigated the neuroscience and developmental events that led each murderer to become a murderer. They looked at how specific parts of the brain didn't develop properly or were damaged due to things that happened to them / genetics etc... I thought it was so interesting any ways
Why do these people always fail to tell the full story, i.e. what his behaviour was like in prison, i.e. that he went home to get a shotgun and went back and shot the bouncer in cold blood.
The reason he was refused to go and see his dying mother was because he was a massive escape risk and horrendous behaviour, prison service doesn't reward bad behaviour!
People are always “economical with the facts “
Buy the book.
i respect the way you carry yourself and you got alot of wisdom
The doorman was only doing his job & only had his hands to defend himself. Shooting him in cold blood was a despicable act of extreme cowardice. The only thing worth taking from this story is that justice was served in his long incarceration. If he’d at least had the courage to face the doorman like a man regardless of the outcome, two lives would’ve been saved
If only time machines were a thing...
Fantastic story,
Not even watching but I just saw the thumbnail and I gotta say this man's beard is the best I've ever seen lol
'I just think it's unnatural to be locked up - and the main thing that drove me [in my escape efforts] was family'.
Funnily enough, I think it's unnatural to murder people, and my thoughts are with the family of the innocent man John killed. He mentioned that bloke once. Once in half an hour. His view is that prison is unnatural; mine is that unnatural people who do unnatural things surely belong in unnatural places. I want to know about the man in this situation, not his murderer. I want to know what he was like, what his family loved most about him, what his dreams and ambitions were in life, what he did for the people around him, what he gave to this life before John coldly took it away from him.
well you came to the wrong video if you wanted to know about him... These videos are about the exeriences in the title... Prison is unnatural. The conditions are. The diet is. There are many aspects of prison that is unnatural hence why it is a PUNISHMENT.
not every criminal is a bad person. A lot of them are really nice people, but people view them as their crime not as a person
exactly.
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
@@Kaisivethis guy seems like a pretty bad person though.
It's not unnatural. We're the top species because of our propensity for violence. It's inside every one of us and has been since the dawn of man. Only a civilized society has made us hide that part of us. We all wear masks. I've seen the brutality and willingly participated in it in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are savages. You'd kill to protect your family wouldn't you?
Breaks my soul for the lives lost. Including his
I admired your silence towards your fellow participants to your detrem, I hope you have a peaceful life and a loving partner keeps hugging you forever.😊
Well said
I wish nothing but happiness and great health 2u and your loved 1's John. Lots of Luv from Florida. U seem like a wonderful man. I hope u enjoy your day's until the very last 1. 🙏🇺🇲🗽🏴🙏
3 mins in and even from a totally different culture I can just see it drippin off him. This guy reminds me of the dude that taught me just cause someone's old doesnt mean they're soft. That was an important lesson for me n showed me what that life leads u to being
He’s bang on, you can never get through to people with just words. I hope his story is a lesson though because my god, what a waste of life. Not just any life though as you can tell John posses a good brain with many skills. He would have contributed massively to society had he not made the poor decision he did.
Before he even said it, I knew he would say he was bored of "retirement " 😂
such a good watch what a man when he spoke about his mums smile I felt that
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
@@foff-666 thatsssssssssss lifeeeeeeee
@@foff-666That and being empathetic for his dying mother seeing her son on her deathbed aren't mutually exclusive
@@monkey7431_ who cares ? exclusive or not, the point is HIS feelings are irrelevant since they don't seem include any remorse or regret. Why are people like you so apologetic ? would you be so if it was your loved one who was brutally murdered ?
@@foff-666 Evidently you care, quite a lot. Im just pointing out your flawed logic.
Topman 👍 John thanks again for the book wishing you all the very best in life 🤝👍
A genuine salt of the earth tyre of man, Hope you live a peaceful life & god bless 🙏
Would have been interesting to know the change he saw on the outside. Stuff like mobiles etc, the whole world changed
The day im free is the day i die i reckon more powerful words from a true legend
what a genuine man!!! Good luck John with everything going forward!!
One of the best rock drummers in modern times, his work on Rumours was inspirational.
LOL
Hahahhaha dude 😂
Wow this is the best ever felt that…. The man’s eyes 👀 the way he spoke 😮…. Bless you sir … you have educated me…. Big love ❤️
Me too
Hello 👋🏽
how are you doing today?
He seems completely incapable of taking responsibility for his actions - whilst, appealing to the better nature of the more civilised members of society.
He was a career violent criminal - who killed a man - and refused to accept the punishment for the life he took.
Nice one John
Very impressive man. Bold and self spoken!
How rich to call the prison officers cowards, when he shot a doorman in cold blood, after robbing countless people at gunpoint who were just trying to make an honest living. What a shame he's been given a platform, and even more of a shame he chooses to use it to say he doesn't regret breaking out of the very place keeping him away from the people he would hurt. What a cold, sad old man.
And the icing on the cake; "being released felt like being born again." You know who wasn't born again? The poor man you murdered. "What you're never gonna get back" "you still expect the door to open, certain family members to walk in - but it's never gonna happen." Yeah, probably how the family of the man you murdered feel. I hope you feel deep shame for what is hopefully the very little time you have left.
exactly - the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appauling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
why are you feeling so much empathy ? he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
could listen to him all day old school
Good luck John I wish you well.
what a tender and beautiful man 🖤
Interesting interview but I do feel the sentence was justified. Showed no remorse to the bouncer he murdered and you could understand it being an instinctive reaction if he didn’t then go in and shoot the club up. He would’ve been out in 20 had he kept his head down (and at 50 ish would have plenty of life left), but chose to escape several times, and there has to be a deterrent to escaping otherwise it would be worthwhile every prisoner escaping.
I also believe had he got out early he most likely would’ve continued his life of crime as there’s no indication he gained qualifications inside or had an epiphany to turn his life around.
I think in this case the British justice service did the public well.
I could have listened to this guy for an hour..!
u could of gotten 43years if u were banged up with him
To deny any one saying good bye to their dying Mother is cruel beyond belief. Regardless of his actions before... that is a system that wont improve anything.
Didn't he murder someone? What goodbyes you reckon they got?
His victim didn't get a chance to say goodbye to his mother so why should he?
Know a few people who have met john and sag hes a diamond 💎 hope he lives over a hundred 💯 🙏 😉
I was in pentavile prison with him great guy i remember when he escaped from vill saw him at the gym and the next day he was gone very fit guy for his age
What a story
What a legend
Isn't Bronson the longest-serving Prisoner? A Interview with him would be nice if it is arrangeable
No! Bronson ain't the longest, there are others doing longer. Robert Maudsley for one. Bronson has done a lot of years, but technically (even though for short periods) he has been out, and then back again. Think he was released last time,in the early 90's, but he was only out for a matter of weeks. Maudsley has been in since the 70's. Harry Roberts had been in since the mid 60's, but he was released a couple of years ago, and at the time, was the longest serving inmate.
Edit... Patrick Mckay, and John Childs, are another 2 that have been in prison longer too. There is probably more.
@@gutz323 Ah yeah i forgot about Maudsley for a second. Thanks for the correction though!
Never knew id hear cat stevens in this 🤣
Never knew he had three names
Meeting his mum, that goes deep.
True legend.
The last part that fella was saying about time he could never get back and old memory mind games with yourself exactly what I go through being a drug addict it's just like being in Prison
You never know the life people have lived. You could walk past this old boy and not think twice. He has stories that would make your toes curl.
What an absolute legend
You’re exactly the kid hes talking about at the end
@@biilybob1 your weird
Really enjoyed watching this and I hope you never stop making him, but it didn't seem like he felt much remorse for killing that man. Don't think he mentioned it even once after describing the event.
Exactly what I was going to mention. No remorse just self pity! Calls others cowards when he shoots an unarmed man.
@@mattador3696he’s probably had a lot of time to regret what he’s done. He’s human, he doesn’t need to feel anything specific just because you believe he does. 43 years. Why would he spend the rest of the time he’s got left feeling sorry for what he’s done, I know I wouldn’t.
@@sueleishajade6377 its one thing to not spend his life feeling guilty about it, its another thing to be interviewed specifically about his life behind bars due to the senseless murder of an unarmed man and show no remorse for it.
He essentially discribed the killing as if it was just an every day event and he was the real victim for having to spend time in jail for it.
@@samuelwhitcombe9744maybe it just proves that prison doesn't work. He wasn't sorry before or after fam.
Thank you sir for sharing your story. Especially how you said you were still not free. How the govt. Can make up any excuse to do what they want. Very prescient for these times. Heartfelt thank you. Makes me think about my own life.
Doesn’t seem very remorseful, in fact at times he almost seems proud of his life.
exactly. he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
Am I the only one who’s ears pricked up when the lady asked him “what are you doing these days” and he replied with “I’m still doing the odd job”….before he followed up with carpentry 😂
Seems like a decent guy. Just unfortunate circumstances happened.
Haha - was looking for this comment. Same.
20:13
Just knew he was gonna flip em off at some point in this vid
Understandably so😂
At 25:30 when she asked what he spends his time doing now and he said he still does the odd job ahaha wondered where that was going.
Wow I hope this man lives to a good age ,and what a fkn liberty keeping him in all them years .
His book is a good read
Bouncers and policemen can be the biggest bullies.
If someone is holding a gun on you why would you choose to punch them ?
The guy is already upset that his friend inside was screaming .
He is 25 or so and been drinking .
There are just some people you don't challenge especially if they already are holding a gun on you.
He said he never meant to kill anyone when he tried to go back in after his friend .
I just know he was young and drinking and deep down regrets many of his life choices. But he can never go back and change them.
He can only look forward to try to be a better person with what life he has left .
Funny how u victim blame the poor bouncer and yet make every excuse for the murderer 🤦♂️ he said shooting the bouncer was like an instantaneous reaction yet went back in the club and shot the place up.
@@honeybadger9001 guess you never had a gun pointed at you ?
You don't try to punch someone who has a gun on you .
The people inside were basically torturing his friend inside .
That's the reason he went inside and shot the place up .
Many clubs and club owners are sleazy anyway .
Not saying the guys an angel but he was probably around 24 ?
I remember going into a bar being about that age and having guys in there 30's and 40's trying and thinking they were going to just take my girl from me !
Same with bar owners , that happened also.
Your naive
@@vainwretch I think you’re the naive one mate. You seem to be swallowing the narrative their mate was being tortured and like Rambo these heroes shot the place up as they had no other choice. That’s BS. Their mate wasn’t tortured he was glassed in a bar room brawl. Ppl receive horrific injuries in fights all the time.
They left to ‘get tooled up’ so it wasn’t like they shot in a sudden self defence. They could’ve got their mate out of the situation there and then. But they chose to go away and bring guns. So again not buying that he never intended to shoot anyone. If u bring a gun ur aware u may use it.
He was 24 so clearly able to understand the seriousness of the situation.
I’m saddened that he chose that particular path in life, but he’s shown little remorse or change of character,m so I have zero sympathy for his being locked up for so long. Absolutely best decision for the safety of the law abiding public. Any sooner he most likely would have returned to that life.
Also don’t know what kind of establishments you’re visiting where guys try to steal your women all the time? I’ve been to loads of clubs and bars and 99% of the time confrontation can easily be avoided. Walk away. It’s ego and male bravado that leads to trouble. Maybe you’re naive for returning to these bars so maybe try somewhere different 😂
@@honeybadger9001 no i don't think he had no choice .
He probably had older men thinking they could run over him and chump him out.
He shot up the bar to make a statement.
I have had guns pulled on me , i made sure i stood still .
I was young and my women were hot .
I am older than 60 , these were different bars .
He was a dumbass for shooting the guy.
The bouncer was a dumbass for punching him while holding a gun.
His friend was screaming from inside must have been very distinguished establishment.
Anytime you are out and about and close down a club stuff can happen in a split second .
I closed down many clubs back in the day.
I have seen bouncers looking for a excuse to abuse people for no reason other than power tripping .
Seen lots of fights over women , gambling bumping into someone.
I have been in many bar fights because of people thinking they could take me .
Arrested for it several times .
I have seen bouncers abuse people and i have fought with bouncers .
I like it how the editors add captions for the perfectly understandable interviewer, but completely ignore the guys with thick northern British accents
43 years can't fathom that
Enjoy the rest you life John
A proper gangster what a boss, very charismatic and masculine. It was sad to hear him say that he felt his could always be put back in prison at any time, that might be psychological scarring as much as it is a fact? A real life sentence. I hope you enjoy the rest of your life and feel as free as bird John there are far worse people than you in world.
Every old timer I spoke to in jail said that the sentence doesn’t start u till your released.
A murderer who kept trying to escape? No sympathy from me. Plenty of people came from similar backgrounds who didn't murder and his co-defendant did his time and walked out with more of his life left.
British penal system needs a massive reform,respect John you seem a very intelligent man
i know, it’s not tough enough, prisoners have it too easy
Never once showed remorse about the life he took or how it impacted that person’s family.
More heart and authenticity in this man than in most people I know who've been working at dead-end jobs for 30 or 40 years. Play on, player!
and? rather work for 3£ an hour than go to prison for murder you dinlo
Keep working that £3 job, toe2toe... 😂
Unfortunate childhood, wrong crowd, bad influences.. these things turned what clearly is a nice man into a criminal. RIP to the man he killed, I hope his family is well. Also, I hope this guy has a good rest of his life as a free man, hopefully he gets a few decent years of freedom. He paid for his crimes with his life.
He possibly wasn't so nice if you were a security guard.
He paid far more than anyone should you mean. Far far more.
@@bimfred The family of his victim would strongly disagree with that statement, as do I.
He didn't do time for all the armed robberies.
@@danielkarmy4893 God you guys sound like you’re from the Victorian era.
prison is not an effective deterrent.
He literally learned to be this kind of person in cruel juvenile correctional facilities.
You have such an out-dated and disproven approach.
Not to mention that globally prisons are overflowing.
They are breading grounds for further criminality and are a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
Not to mention, getting a job as a bouncer in a rough east end pub in the 70s was not without its risks. The bouncer would have known that when he accepted the job.
john you f*ckin legend so glad to hear you got to see your mum
you put anyone in a suit and you paint a certain picture. put politicians in shorts and a t-shirt and you can begin to see a real horror show. Appearance really is an illusion.
exactly
the pathetic outpouring of sympathy here in the comments in appalling.
he has no remorse and appears to have no regrets. gross really. he complains: "what you've lost. what you've sacrificed. what you're never ever gonna get back" he says -- just like the bloke he murdered ain't it. just like that.
what about the bloke he murdered ? he never got to see HIS mum again, or vice versa...
he took a life! not half-a-life, or part-of-a-life : everything. he took EVERYTHING. from someone and their family.
he went there armed and ready to shoot, and he did.
it's not like it was an accident and he was 'caught up in an unfair trial' or some shit.
21:26 and look at ya mate. i’m sure your family are really proud of your outlook. the next life is coming my friend and you will have to answer for it
Bet you wish you had not done it. Can you imagine how the guys family feels 43 years on
I HAD A TERRIBLE CHILDHOOD JUST LIKE THIS MAN. I GOT BEAT UP. AND RAP#D ETC. BUT I CHOSE TO TURN MY LIFE AROUND! I'M NOT EVEN OVER IT. I DON'T KNOW MY DAD OR MY MAM. BUT YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH IT. I HAVE 2 BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN NOW. IT KILLS ME EVERYDAY ON THE WEEKENDS I HAVE THEM. HOW COULD SOMEONE DO THE SHIT MY MUM AND HER MANY BOYFRIENDS DO WHAT THEY DID TO ME!! I'M WINDING MY SELF UP NOW. I'D LIKE TO COME ON HERE AND TELL MY STORY. GNIGHT PEOPLE. SORRY FOR THE RANT x😊
Sorry to hear that your bringing up..and shane on no comments..hope life is better now
Dang Skillet! 43 years! What a stretch.
How long did Harry Roberts do?
What a powerful interview! I would buy this man a Pint if I met him.
The guy you killed won't see his mother again.
Imagine the world would be alien when you come out compared to when you went in.